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File: db64076f7eeab16⋯.jpg (87.63 KB,500x500,1:1,1294928616527.jpg)

 No.7354 [Open thread]

/ratanon/, what are your most socially unacceptable opinions? except pedoshit

I'll start:

If someone gives you a button that instantly destroys the universe (and thus ends all suffering in the world, forever), and you don't press it, you're Literally Worse Than Hitler. As in the "benevolent world-destroyer" objection to negative utilitarianism, except (despite not generally being a negative utilitarian) I actually agree with it.

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 No.7394

>>7393

Kek. Then you are an australian aboriginal m8.

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 No.7395

>>7394

Are you saying Australian aboriginals are smart? Kek

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 No.7396

>>7390

It's not obviously stupid in all cases.

I have some friends whose parents were from Vietnam. Since they're all CS students, I classify them as "Asian" (regardless of partial Chinese ancestry). If they were too dumb for college, I'd end up classifying them as jungle asians (laotians, cambodians, hmong, etc.).

(for what it's worth, this is probably race-as-a-social-construct at its steelmanniest. I tend to disagree with the race-is-a-social-construct crowd, but they're not 100% crazy all the time.)

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 No.7397

>>7396

This is my first time encountering the "jungle asians" term and category, so that could just as easily be a social construct as not.

Anyway, IQ is separate from the cultural stuff generally involved in race-as-social-construct. Keeping that separate is why I went for an example that's immune to being called "culturally white", despite Dr Dre being less clearly an example of high IQ than, say, Neil deGrasse Tyson.

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 No.14000

pedoshit

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File: c4cb0052e8d22c2⋯.jpg (54.18 KB,717x383,717:383,YANG SSC.JPG)

 No.13960 [Open thread]

ITS HAPPENING

Based Yang is going to make Scott the Rationality Czar in his administration

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1115459067881848833

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 No.13963

>>13961

I don't understand.

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 No.13964

>>13963

https://arxiv.org/abs/1710.05060

tl;dr:

Naive unenlightened causal decision makers will reason that their vote almost certainly won't make a difference so it isn't worth the effort.

Yudkowskian hyper-rationalist functional decision makers will reason that whatever decision they make will also be the decision made by all other Yudkowskian hyper-rationalist functional decision makers, so if they vote that means all of the fifteen other people who read the paper will vote, but if they don't vote then none of those other people will vote.

Hansonian econo-sociologist selfish-aware decision makers have long ago realized that there is only signals and the void and will vote not to influence the outcome of the elections but to get the status benefits of political engagement.

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 No.13965

Too bad democracy is awful, immoral and self-destructive.

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 No.13967

>>13964

>status benefits of political engagement.

A secret ballot means you can just lie about voting.

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 No.13968

File: ff9ec6b9616245b⋯.jpg (186.06 KB,1200x900,4:3,democracy.jpg)

>>13967

Of course you can, but it's much easier to maintain a coherent natural impression if you believe it, and it's easier to believe it if you act it out.

Perhaps more importantly, you can be seen visiting the voting booth and having a sticker you got for it and all that, and if you're going through that trouble anyway then actually casting a vote doesn't carry an additional cost. You can hide what you voted, and thanks to blank votes it's technically possible to hide whether you voted, but that doesn't stop you from sending a credible signal that you voted.

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File: 2b32dd800f997dd⋯.jpg (82.56 KB,960x640,3:2,Peter Thiel.jpg)

 No.13959 [Open thread]

I am pretty confident that Peter Thiel is Roko's Basilisk.

For one, it was strange Eliezer got so upset about the post. It seems very plausible that Peter Thiel is doing more than just funding Eliezer, LessWrong, MIRI, and OpenAI. I have a feeling he has threatened these people and is planning on taking over the entire universe.

I would certainly attempt a coup on the entire universe if I was well-positioned to do so. My dream and top preference is definitely to become the singularity and be a supercomputer which spans the lightcone.

There's also the fact that Thiel is notoriously skilled with his tongue in public speaking as, of course, the serpent in the bible was! It's confirmed!

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File: 8868c5aa7d53c27⋯.mp4 (8.71 MB,1280x720,16:9,HONK HONK.mp4)

 No.13932 [Open thread]

What's your take on the new clown world meme that has been plagueing (in a good sense, at least for me) the internet for the last couple of days/weeks ?

I find it awefully refreshing, for some reason it reminds me of Stirner.

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 No.13936

The meme was all right when it was just a phrase or the emoji combination 🤡🌐 (which is has been for a long time). Frogposting sucks. It's like reddit taking and still clinging to ragefaces.

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 No.13938

File: 0f19b6c76390c52⋯.png (236.25 KB,858x553,858:553,1553485358570.png)

lol how did they think this was going to work

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File: c55715767b62c17⋯.jpg (467.17 KB,1932x2084,483:521,0c1f4a261f78e1bc0645532043.jpg)

 No.8114 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

>I want to know why vegans are better people than vegetarians >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27161448?dopt=Abstract

Because if you're obsessed with virtue signaling, you won't stop at some candy-ass vegetarianism.

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 No.8683

>>8390

That guy's model of social reality is 99% correct. The missing one percent is that it's not as pervasive as he thinks it is. But otherwise correct.

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 No.8684

>>8350

Lol, normies are so stupid

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 No.8685

>>8251

>>Gosh I love feeling like a “resource.”

>Don't worry, I don't think you count.

is this that veronica bitch? i think she was replying to a comment i made. good times.

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 No.13238

>"Not surprising. A huge number of people, especially older people, still find trans people 'icky' or baffling; the good old meme-generator is churning away, trying to find acceptable reasons to express those feelings without losing too many progressive-points."

Yeah, I'm sure someone will call this a charitable description of their opinion and not a gross mischaracterization. At least he wasn't participating in a community that values such clarity.

>2 hours later

>"It's almost like that, except for being nothing like that.

>See if you can come up with a version that passes the ideological Turing test."

Oh, so you do agree with the community norms, but they just don't apply to you.

>any example of progressives behaving badly

>"I almost never encounter the cartoonish rhetoric and vitriol that people on here seem to assume is standard for all progressive culture, it all looks like strawmen with no basis in day-to-day reality to me."

I bet if you grepped all of his posts for "never seen" you could make the case that he is Ray Charles.

I thought the point of giving token "lefties" (that is idpol true believers, the median commenter is probably to the left of Obama which apparently means they are far-right) privilege was to have people constructively argue from that position and give cover against accusations of being a hive of scum and villainy.

Given that all of them are just bags of water and cognitive biases they obviously fail on the first and their presence and Scott's ever increasing thumb on the balance for them has not kept the wolves at bay, what purpose do they serve?

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 No.13937

> Darwin, based on my memory of your previous comments, I'd have expected you to be in favor of a ban on infant circumcision

This is just a rhetorical flourish, right? Because I'd have expected very much the opposite.

I don't have enough hubris to say I would've expected a clever argument about ~context~ and ~nuance~, and the government taking an official position on the matter of cutting bits of babies dicks off being a bridge too far, because something something ~marketplace of ideas~, something something ~utilitarianism~.

But that is exactly what you got, and surely someone – someone! – could have predicted it.

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File: 8a2fc42476b1f34⋯.jpg (64.98 KB,1024x576,16:9,0910_peter-thiel-sept-2014.jpg)

 No.7673 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

Trump won

What now?

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 No.7721

>>7717

Do you even think before you shit post?

>Eliezer thinks that humans are replication maximizers

http://lesswrong.com/lw/l3/thou_art_godshatter/

>so his "fear" of paperclip maximizing AI is mostly projection

Sorry, comrade, *you're* the one projecting. You're assuming a lack of a reasonable fear on his part, just because you don't share it.

>He wants to be the maximizer, just with polyamory and bad fan fiction instead of paperclips.

Maximal utility is the gift we give to tomorrow, my man. Don't make me post dril's wise man quote.

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 No.7722

>>7721

>Eliezer thinks that humans are replication maximizers

He literally said just that when replying to Scott's latest AI article.

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 No.7723

>>7722

No he fucking didn't.

I assume you're referring to http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/10/30/how-does-recent-ai-progress-affect-the-bostromian-paradigm/#comment-429577, in which he doesn't say anything *like* "humans are replication maximizers" at all, let alone literally saying "humans are replication maximizers".

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 No.7724

>>7723

I think it's distantly possible to read the bit about how we want to "tile over the whole universe with non-clippy things" as referring to replication maximising, although you'd have to be literally retarded to think that's actually what he meant.

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 No.13921

File: b4afb007b20f49d⋯.jpeg (42.53 KB,600x360,5:3,2707E974-A14E-49F0-BC33-3….jpeg)

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File: e01ec9f221ee906⋯.png (29.2 KB,1349x160,1349:160,2019-02-22-171420_1349x160….png)

 No.13811 [Open thread]

GAY

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 No.13846

>>13839

1-5 leads to a stronger cooperate/cooperate civilisation. Okay, maybe not 1 and 5.

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 No.13847

>>13843

How are you going to test for those, taking Goodhart's law into account?

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 No.13849

>>13843

>crazy breeders

Breeding is sane. It's the one value actually explicitly handed to us by nature, and here you are ignoring it and gazing into the abyss. The point of being intelligent, physically strong, healthy and knowledgeable is to reproduce. And you know it.

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 No.13851

>>13849

>the one value actually explicitly handed to us by nature

Unless you're exploited or group selected, instead of trying to get antinatalist types to breed they could be encouraged to become suicide fighters.

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 No.13920

>>13849

Could you perhaps explain what it means for a value to be "explicitly handed to us by nature"?

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File: d9543a662fef241⋯.jpg (2.84 MB,1991x2900,1991:2900,Christina_784.jpg)

 No.13864 [Open thread]

Let's discuss tulpas, /ratanon/. Yes, yes, I know it's just giving yourself multiple personality disorder, what I want to know is how you can use it to your advantage and take over the world. Did anyone have experience with this?

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 No.13868

you've seen too much anime

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 No.13917

read subahibi

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 No.13918

File: 46c29a24e1f69b7⋯.jpg (33.77 KB,549x600,183:200,1361305129266.jpg)

>>13917

Does /ratanon/ read VNs?

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 No.13919

>>13917

>>13918

No, we're plebs

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File: 59a56dfa5304845⋯.gif (949.24 KB,700x393,700:393,Gandhi II.gif)

 No.13726 [Open thread]

Is absolute pacifism the natural implication of anti-Molochism?

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 No.13909

>>13904

who is the moloch? the state?

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 No.13910

>>13909

You're a long way from home.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/

Moloch is the personification of the rat-race - the drive to undercut your opponents, to debase yourself in exchange for victory. Moloch is calculated betrayal, temple prostitution, ethnic cleansing, insider trading, mass extinction, nature red in tooth and claw. His symbol is the brass head of a bull, red-hot, caked with the carbonised flesh of children.

Moloch has many names. In his destroyer aspect he is known as GNON, all consuming, many-armed, sightless and mindless. Gnon has no symbol - he merely is.

Some pray to the two-faced Goddess ELUA, bearer of the cosmic scales. She sits at the end of time, weighing and re-weighing. In her left hand, CANCER; in her right, EVERYTHING ELSE. Her symbol is the crab. Elua is generous and kind; she is said to have given us agriculture, penicillin, and the Gatling gun.

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 No.13912

File: 2a1fc656a74a490⋯.jpg (71.25 KB,600x450,4:3,67b.jpg)

>>13910

>linking to the George Lucas Special Edition

>not linking to the superior original version

http://web.archive.org/web/20140801022058/http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/

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 No.13913

>>13912

I'm too lazy to diff them, what scenes were changes?

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 No.13914

File: 6805c52af426994⋯.jpg (61.17 KB,1280x720,16:9,maxresdefault.jpg)

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File: 9d7c8b97465b2ae⋯.png (105.02 KB,1257x330,419:110,yuritopia.png)

 No.13870 [Open thread]

Post yours.

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 No.13898

>>13896

I can't jerk off to this.

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 No.13899

>>13898

What if you have a junior aspiring rationalists who have to submit to a Rationalist Master, and the master makes them solve little math puzzles before they are allowed to get to the climax?

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/fnEWQAYxcRnaYBqaZ/initiation-ceremony

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 No.13905

File: 186eb0e89772151⋯.webm (3.34 MB,688x516,4:3,Daicon III.webm)

Plantonize, distill and crystallize the mood conveyed by this webm and drip-feed it to lobotomized cave-pale wirehead gods. All-devouring whitehot bliss, forever and ever - GOOD END

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 No.13907

>>13905

>Daicon III.webm

That is Daicon IV. But I agree, that's where it peaks, and it's one of the best moments in animation set to music.

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 No.13908

File: 4591edd07a2fb51⋯.webm (3.92 MB,480x360,4:3,boom.webm)

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File: 48fbc927d056cf0⋯.png (97.65 KB,863x442,863:442,download.png)

 No.13693 [Open thread]

From this graph it is easy to see that the average IQ of humanity is about to rapidly decrease.

What should be done about it?

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 No.13728

>>13706

>Humans

Referring to your species as "us" is a mistake. In some cases this mistake can be corrected through, once again, Nick Land, though yours may be too severe.

>I'm in general strongly against centralized systems. However right now…

You may have noticed that this is the standard pattern that arguments in favor of centralization follow in the present day. It is by no means limited to arguing about government. First, you proclaim your love for decentralized systems and autonomy, then you say why this time it is absolutely necessary and morally right to establish centralized control on an unprecedented scale and micromanage resources.

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 No.13746

>>13728

>Referring to your species as "us" is a mistake. In some cases this mistake can be corrected through, once again, Nick Land, though yours may be too severe.

Yeah. But I can't allow tropicals to ruin human civilizations. The main mission of my life is making sure that if AI or tropicals have to rule over the world we will get AI that treasures at least human-level rationality, philosophy and scientific knowledge. If we all kick the world slightly towards AI and away from tropicalization maybe we will get AI.

>You may have noticed that this is the standard pattern that arguments in favor of centralization follow in the present day. It is by no means limited to arguing about government. First, you proclaim your love for decentralized systems and autonomy, then you say why this time it is absolutely necessary and morally right to establish centralized control on an unprecedented scale and micromanage resources.

Right. I think a decentralized system works better. To get started conquests should no longer be forbidden by some shit known as "international law". That will solve the tropicalization problem within decades.

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 No.13755

BTW please PM me on reddit if you want entrance into my private subreddit. You are welcome on r/SevenZillionWitches as well since we respect free speech there.

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 No.13867

we must stop nanny state

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 No.13890

sage goes in every field

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 No.13854 [Open thread]

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 No.13858

File: f877086b22930e3⋯.png (9.5 KB,471x84,157:28,object level.png)

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 No.13860

>>13858

the patreon did not really get his money's worth

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 No.13861

>>13860

argh, this was meant to be a reply to something else. the shirtless dude obviously gives us all the fan service we could want.

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 No.13863

>>13860

>>13861

you mean >>13859 right?

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 No.13885

>>13863

right.

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File: 1a3a6bde517b1f2⋯.jpg (47.18 KB,725x333,725:333,ssc 1488.JPG)

 No.13845 [Open thread]

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 No.13848

File: 2ae1a9e8e334c9e⋯.png (69.19 KB,678x674,339:337,David Gerard on Twitter.png)

That reads like a right-wing parody of left-wing attacks on Scott. This tweet, however, is entirely serious.

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 No.13853

>>13848

It's David Gerard/Divabot, there's nothing he wants more than a uniform and a Makarov.

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 No.13897

>>13853

that guy's not even worth the effort of typing out his whole name.

why does anyone still pay attention to david ger

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File: 08dc1f67fe8cfb7⋯.png (1.12 MB,1458x813,486:271,alt right in one picture.png)

 No.13802 [Open thread]

I'm starting to like this meme.

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 No.13803

A poll for /ratanon/

Can you voluntarily control goosebumps?

https://www.strawpoll.me/17466159

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 No.13804

>>13803

Why yes. I call the technique 'Hidden Tiger, Crouching Dragon'.

Also that image is not a meme, but a Wikipedia page.

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 No.13806

For true schizoids/anhedonics I recommend sarcosine + NAC, and Reuteri probiotics also help with NMDA activity/reducing autism-like symptoms.

I wouldn't characterise the alt-right as widely schizoid, this looks like exaggerated Forer effect.

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 No.13808

My initial reaction is this seems scarily like me except for one or two points, but it's probably just the Forer effect.

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 No.13809

The sexual characteristics should have been separated by sex. I think it's very unlikely that a male would have erotomania, or that a female would have secret voyeuristic interests. Whoever heard of either of those things?

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 No.13575 [Open thread]

Who would you be in the /ratanon/ group house? What would the house itself and living there be like?

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 No.13738

In the basement is a warren of cages, space-heaters, and IV lines. Soft towels line the cages, and plump, dead-eyed white rats lie belly-up on the towels, adorned with feeding tubes and electrodes.

Every few hours, a volunteer from the House comes to wipe the rats clean of their own filth with moist towlettes heated in a bath of blood-hot water, then gently turns them to avert bed-sores. The volunteer checks that the heroin distribution system is operating correctly, removes and incinerates any expired rats, and marks their initials on a timesheet before leaving.

Fresh rats are ordered from a laboratory suppiler. One resident is working on a breeding program of his own, though progress is slow.

On the wall decimal places click up on a counter marked "utility".

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 No.13739

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 No.13800

>>13739

Supposedly there is at least one Bay Area rat that has actual cages to put her visiting submissives in. I'm not entirely sure if they were joking or not.

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 No.13801

The water heater broke down months ago. Arguments over whether repairing it still flare up on occasion, even though the charred remains of the heater have been designated as a memetic hazard and quarantined.

The latest jury-rigged solution involves a vat of mineral oil, several hundred GPUs, and an entire fabricated altcoin bubble. Two residents work in shifts to prop up the hype via sockpuppet accounts. The current value of their increasingly precarious portfolio can be inferred from the temperature of the tap water.

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 No.13805

>>13738

>>13801

I enjoyed these.

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