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File: 13436cd991e88b3⋯.jpg (71.25 KB,333x500,333:500,eliezer-yudkowsky.jpg)

 No.11142

Jesus Christ his new book is basically an elaborate response to people who try to put him down.

I'm starting to get sick of the rat community. The cult leaders no longer feel any shame regarding reaping the benefits.

It has become a shitpool of festering MIRI,CFAR,EA ( plus whatever meme organisation is affiliated with it today) pseudomarketing testing ground.

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 No.11143

You may wish to review how LW came to be. The initial ban on talking about AI was there for a reason. MIRI/SIAI has been a community-defining presence from the start.

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 No.11144

>>11142

>not able to ignore MIRI,CFAR,EA

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 No.11147

Wait, Yudkowsky finally published a book?

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 No.11148

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 No.11151

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>>11148

Well rationality is a compilation of his blog posts put together by other people and his other stuff his fiction. How is that "an elaborate response to people who try to put him down"? Or is this just another brainless "hur dur Yudkowsky is cult" shitpost.

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 No.11153

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 No.11154

>>11142

Isn't every book in which a writer defends their beliefs/meta-beliefs, so ultimately most nonfiction books and some fiction ones too, a "response to people who try to put him down"?

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 No.11155

>>11151

>starts with example based on his luck with his wife's seasonal autism disorder where he buys a ton a lightbulbs instead of sending her fancy ass to chile or someshit every year

>works this into a concept economic theory which is kinda badly written (or I might be a brainlet )

>effectively copy pastes moloch shit adapted to his meme theory + free energy mon

>those cringy fucking dialogues

>something something the most reviwed harry potter fanfiction

>I constantly make bets with pidgeons to calibrate myself

>there's a 90% chance I'm circumcised

>no, well you see I'm actually status blind TM and don't have anxious underconfidence, here's why we need to do what I say while I ignore everyone else

>there's 90% I'm circumcised

>>11154

really makes me think

he doesn't defend anything, it's written for gullible retards who fell for the rat bubble

He should have just compressed Rat A-Z and rerelased it to a larger audience. It would have done more good than him jerking off.

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 No.11156

>>11155

Yeah, there's no "might" about it, if that's what you got out of it, you're a brainlet.

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 No.11157

>>11156

Now you know how I detect apologists. Keep goying my friend.

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 No.11158

>>11155

>>11156

>>11157

If you use the word "brainlet" there is a 90% chance you are one. Thought-terminating chanspeak is bad even on imageboards.

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 No.11159

>>11158

And you arrived at this conclusion how exactly ? Why bother counter signaling.

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 No.11160

>>11158

>brainlet detected

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 No.11182

>>11158

Nigger it's just the local vernacular for calling someone stupid. "You're stupid for thinking that" isn't a very deep and thoughtful argument, but as thought-terminating cliches go, "you use the wrong words and therefore what you say can be disregarded" beats it the fuck out.

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 No.11284

>The argument goes: You’re more rational than average, so you shouldn’t adjust to the average. Instead, you should identify other people who are even more rational than you (on the matter at hand) and maybe Outside View with them, but no one else. Since you are already pretty rational, you can definitely trust your judgment about who the other rational people are.

I have not read Inadequate Equilibria, but I have read several reviews of it, including SA's and Robin Hanson's. They convinced me to read the book. If Scott adequately summarized EY's thesis in the quoted paragraph, then EY focuses on something highly relevant: if you think you have better-than-average judgment, you should defer to experts less than the average person should. It sounds like he does not spend enough time addressing the fundamental problem of how to assess your own judgment. If good fortune prevails, this will only encourage others to write more about it. (And could it just be the thing to focus on for those trying to revive LW? It's applied rationality and super important. The Nassim Taleb-like appeal is somewhat worrying, because irrational contrarians seem to love Taleb, but should help with the marketing.)

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 No.11286

>>11284

>if you think you have better-than-average judgment, you should defer to experts less than the average person should. It sounds like he does not spend enough time addressing the fundamental problem of how to assess your own judgment.

Why bother? A dumb person who fails because they didn't defer to experts will be a smaller loss than a smart person who fails because they're paralyzed by too much of the outside view. There's net benefit if both defer less. Just act anyway.

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 No.11287

>>11286

A smart person in that scenario would defer to experts, though, which gives a higher chance of failure than an autonomous decision but isn't that bad. And aren't there far more "dumb" people?

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 No.11288

>>11286

>A dumb person who fails because they didn't defer to experts will be a smaller loss than a smart person who fails because they're paralyzed by too much of the outside view.

This is not as self-evident as your lack of justification implies. Encouraging dumb or merely average people to make mistakes may be a net loss, especially if your society is imperfectly sorted by IQ and important physical labor isn't fully automated. What is the IQ of the average nurse or the average car mechanic? I'll guess 107.5 and 100, respectively. Should they be more daring?

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 No.11304

>>11284

taleb has a better understanding of rationality than EY though

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 No.11305

>>11304

>implying taleb has any understanding of anything

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 No.11307

>>11305

he understands the value of deadlifting, which is more than can be said about autoid rationalists

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 No.11308

>>11307

The only time that fat fuck 'deadlifts' anything is when he drops his candy bars.

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 No.11309

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>>11308

time to recalibrate and adjust your priors lmao

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 No.11310

>>11309

>barely even two plates

Any untrained couch monkey can manage that.

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 No.11311

>>11310

And rationalautists can't. Kiss my posterior.

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 No.11312

>>11311

You'd have to be a skinny-fat little twink to be unable to deadlift two plates (and even then it'd take you one month tops to get there). Can't say I'm surprised that a taleb fanboy thinks him lifting baby weights is somehow an impressive achievement.

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 No.11313

>>11312

>You'd have to be a skinny-fat little twink to be unable to deadlift two plates

Do you know how I know you're a skinnyfat little twink?

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 No.11314

>>11308

solution: drop 55-pound candy bars and work your way up from there

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 No.11315

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 No.11316

>>11313

Sorry, brah. I'm a huge fatass like your boy taleb. The difference is that two plates is my warm up set.

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 No.11317

Aren't deadlifts bad for your back compared to using a machine?

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 No.11318

>>11317

If your goal is to fuck up your back over the long term I would recommend sticking to machines. If you need to fuck up your back today I recommend doing a deadlift with wrong form and too much weight.

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 No.11319

Lifting or machines instead of calisthenics are boring and retarded, also shit advice for someone who's never used his body.

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 No.11320

>>11318

lmao nice muscle mass, imagine being such a spinelet that you even worry about your back's health

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 No.11321

>>11319

>calisthenics

>for someone who's never used his body

This is great advice for all the fatasses that you really hate. You could probably get them to completely destroy their bodies in just a few sessions.

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 No.11322

>>11320

Well, if you only stick to two plates you can lift however you want.

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 No.11323

lel

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 No.11324

>>11323

bad post

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 No.11325

>>11322

I'll have you know us skinnyfat little twinks will immediately die if we try to lift that much.

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 No.11326

>>11325

Yeah, you guys don't count.

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 No.11327

>>11324

good post

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