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Excelsior!

Sister site: [Fan-fiction]

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 No.12006 [Open thread]

Why are followers of Stirner often Communists while Nietzscheans are frequently Nationalists? The two have have rather similar philosophies, and they both show distain for Communism and Nationalism. Why the split?

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 No.14426

post PDFs of their best works ITT?

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 No.14432

>>14426

Are you stupid?

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 No.14434

>>12006

Nietzsche believed in Hyperborea.

Stirner only beliefs in himself.

Now who do you think would like whom?

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 No.14456

>>13812

Was just about to post that

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 No.14472

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 No.14431 [Open thread]

How do you gays and gayettes feel about Moby Dick?

Is it a boring slog or a fantastic piece of fiction?

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 No.14449

try reading it asshole

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 No.14453

None of your business.

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 No.14465

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 No.14490

If you think you might not enjoy it you probably wont.

The majority of the book reads as a documentation of whaling rather than a novel - if that sounds interesting (and you like a bit of florid prose) then you'll probably get along with it. Fucker used a ton of endnotes though, which is something a lot of American authors seem to do. Maybe he started the trend

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 No.14359 [Open thread]

Surprisingly the best epub reader.

>fast

>good formatting

>bookmarks

>highlight

>index

>tts

>text spacing options

What does /lit/ use?

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 No.14364

>>14362

Calibre is correct answer for all platforms.

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 No.14452

I second calibre… sumatra reader is nice as well

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 No.14454

Calibre is best (3x)

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 No.14455

Readium or Moon Reader on Android.

Question that's off-topic: Do you recommend me to read The Bell Jar if I'm a depressive type with a mood disorder? I want to change the book for The Brothers Karamazov in the library because I feel The Bell Jar will drive me to suicide or some shit.

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 No.14470

>>14455

>Do you recommend me to read The Bell Jar if I'm a depressive type with a mood disorder?

No, I recommend you eat a lot more meat, animal fats and cheese so you won't be moody cunt anymore.

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 No.14447 [Open thread]

Everyone on this board loves to read, as do I.

However, it is time consuming.

Is it possible to appreciate a book (usually a novel) without reading it in its entirety?

That being said, imo you can but it's like experiencing the Eiffel Tower. You can appreciate it in photos but it's never the same as visiting it for yourself.

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 No.14448

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For novels, it may be possible if they are behemoths and extremely long, otherwise if you appreciated it you'd just finish it. I usually appreciate lots of handbooks, anthologies, histories and other similarly formatted books without reading them cover to cover.

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 No.14410 [Open thread]

I want to know what books you would recommend to an alien if you have read more than 3k books. I'm talking novels and fiction/philosophy literature. Not your run-of-the-mill coloring books or dr. seuss.

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 No.14418

Marx if alien is hostile so it gets completely wrong idea of humanity and hopefully self-destructs as the ideological cancer spreads to their colony.

Bible if alien is friendly and needs to understand humanity.

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 No.14419

>>14418

That is an unacceptable response.

I expect more from you, anon.

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 No.14420

everything by Christopher Moore and Neil Gaimen. Hitch Hikers Guide to The Galaxy all volumes. The Celestine Prophecy-all volumes. The the illuminatus trilogy…… hands down. robert willison.

This is step one if they are cool ill give reading list two

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 No.14421

great i stutter in text. woohoo whiskey let them anal probing bastards read that

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 No.14363 [Open thread]

Where can I get some free pdfs? I'm trying to get a pdf of Jean Rhys' Wide Sargasso Sea for a project because I need to annotate. Where can I go to get free pdfs without sucking amazon's dick?

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 No.14365

rumor has it endchan /pdfs/

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 No.14373

Libgen has it

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 No.10722 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

I've been watching sex and the city with my GF, and besides of being awful, I've tracked some major tropes that, I think, are present in almost every piece of fiction written by and for women. I've seen it anywhere from the hunger games to like water for chocolate.

So… my question: How do you write for women? I want to write a book, maybe chick-lit tier, and see if I can dupe a publisher into thinking I'm a chick.

ITT enumerate the themes, tropes, treatments, tones and everything that a woman would do when writing for women. So far, I've found these general approximations:

1. The main conflict -almost always- is between structured security vs. chaotic security. More often than not this thing boils down to a romantic competition. Choosing between the player or the sweet responsible guy. Or some such variation of the same theme.

2. The relationship between the principal (female) character and secondary (female) characters is one of veiled competition. Women hate even their closest friends.

3. Dresses and hairdos and such stuff become important. A dress can become a plot point. Yes, even in serious literature.

4. Feeling are everything.

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 No.14172

your post is so pretentious, but good god I truly fucking hate women. My hatred for women was flared up so intesnely reading your post it distracted me from your gross pretension

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 No.14174

File: 5d457631a080da9⋯.jpg (18.18 KB,253x384,253:384,gone with the wind.jpg)

>1. The main conflict -almost always- is between structured security vs. chaotic security. More often than not this thing boils down to a romantic competition. Choosing between the player or the sweet responsible guy. Or some such variation of the same theme.

>2. The relationship between the principal (female) character and secondary (female) characters is one of veiled competition. Women hate even their closest friends.

>3. Dresses and hairdos and such stuff become important. A dress can become a plot point. Yes, even in serious literature.

>4. Feeling are everything.

Literally pic related. Scarlett is so much smarter and more fashionable than literally every other woman in the world and all men are stupid idiots and all want to bone Scarlett. The only man in the world who's good enough for Scarlett is a nice guy and he's madly in love with her but for some reason marries his obviously inferior cousin instead. So Scarlett marries some beta and sets out on a lifelong quest to ruin dozens of lives just to spite the guy she actually likes. She's a selfish cunt and a neglectful mother but that's actually a good thing because she's sticking it to the evil sexist society. She spends half the book eloping with some bad boy smuggler and eventually takes him as her third husband, but because she's still lusting after the nice guy and being a horrible person the bad boy starts to whither away and die on the inside until eventually he just fucks off and tells her she can fuck the nice guy if she wants because he's literally incapable of giving a fuck anymore. Of course at this point Scarlett realizes she actually loved the bad boy all along and begs him to love her again, but his life has already been ruined by her so he leaves her all alone to wallow in her cuntery. The book ends with Scarlett plotting to manipulate her way out of this situation, and most likely ruin dozens more lives in the process. But that's totally a good thing.

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 No.14192

>>10742

How does Orange is the New Black compare to OZ?

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 No.14253

>>14174

How much of that is the female version of the Warlord or Capitalist that is willing to destroy everyone and everything in order to get what they want, but having attained what they desired, merely seek out more of what they cannot have?

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 No.14327

>>12386

That could be a great troll novel idea. The entire book having never mentioned that she is a >she, with the final sex scene having a :"then he started sucking my dick". Could be funny.

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 No.14292 [Open thread]

Does anyone have that 1800's book about simply training your eye muscles so that you don't need glasses anymore?

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 No.14299

Bit vague, but suspect it's this one

https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL2608002A/W._H._Bates

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 No.14315

There's an interesting review of this exercise technique

https://www.bmj.com/content/1/4298/635.2/rr

which tells how Aldous Huxley had read Bates' book, used the exercises to great effect and wrote a look of his own on the topic - The Art of Seeing. You should be able to easily find both these books online for download or torrents

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 No.14319

>>14299

Yeah, that's it. I had seen it before and discarded it because it seemed dumb. I figured I'd take another look before just doing lasik.

>>14315

Thanks.

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 No.14325

Look up Jack Steiner on YouTube and go to his website endmyopia.com

Worked for me anon, best of luck to you.

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 No.14320 [Open thread]

Hi /lit/. I'd like to start writing a few short stories for fun but I've realised I know pretty much nothing about storytelling. Is there a book, a tutorial, a video, something that gives a brief overview of what every writer should know? Sort of like the literary equivalent of anatomy and perspective and colour theory for painters? Should I even worry about this or is it something you just learn by doing it?

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 No.14322

>>14320

Definitely learn by doing it. The easiest way to fuck up your own literary development is waste all your energy trying to conform to someone elses literary theories and formulas when you don't know what you're doing. It's much easier to figure out what you're doing wrong than tell you what to do, so the best thing to do is get going.

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 No.14323

Don't ruin your fun by starting with theory. Don't think yourself as an aspirant painter educating himself on perspective, or anatomy or colour theory, but as a child with a box crayons. It becomes much easier to learn from others after you have some understanding of turning ideas into stories from practice. And after some writing, reading almost anything becomes a useful learning experience.

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 No.14254 [Open thread]

What did you think of this movie and book?

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 No.14271

I've stopped reading at the Wikipedia's synopsis of it. I'm binning it at "didn't read it, didn't like it."

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 No.14280

When a novel starts me off by saying that global warming made everything shit I tend to bin it quick. I haven't been able to stand fiction talking about it, not after I read those Maximum Ride books.

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 No.14282

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>>14254

I haven't seen the movie, (nor do I plan too), but the book is genuinely one of the worst things I have ever read.

The author's writing is bad but I think the book would have at least been serviceable if he hadn't crammed muh pop culture and entry level politics/social commentary into every other paragraph. He doesn't even try to weave in the references, it's literally just him listing off things then building dialogue around it.

It's popular because the reddit crowd will read it to make it seem like they know cool stuff and enjoy sci fi, it's the same when you see people saying "___ is so lovecraftian xd" and then can't name any of his stories.

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 No.14293

>>14282

That's not only more trash than the movie is, it's also even more jewish.

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 No.14302

I read the book when I was like 14 and I didn't like it much, but I didn't dislike it neither, yes, now I can look back and see how bad was it, but it's thought to be a book for 12-14 year olds to read whit out effort and easily enjoy it.

About the film, well, I liked it, yes, the script was garbage, but that wasn't the point the point was to make a lot of cool cga shit and come on it was cool.

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 No.14171 [Open thread]

>Neuromancer

Is it even worth reading? Why or why not? If not, what's a summary that conveys its major themes and predictive insights

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 No.14173

It's in the niche of aged science fiction about the future that it isn't old enough to be historically interesting, but already is too outdated in its assumptions to have any relevance to this day. Might as well read it, as it's not long. And if you are into nounpunks, reading it could help you to stop being a faggot.

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 No.14179

Well worth reading, as has been pointed out it's not exactly cutting edge and much of the description of the world has since fallen into genre rote and loses some of its punch. I disagree that its depiction of the future has zero relevance though. The focus with cyberpunk is typically aesthetic and while Gibson has plenty of that, most of Molly's character being a decent example, the book is more about systems of control and surveillance and how enormous and impenetrable these are when juxtaposed with individuals. I don't want to spoil anything but an essay won't convey these ideas as viscerally as the book, which indeed isn't very long.

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 No.14194

Yeah, give it a try. Like that guy above said, it is mostly famous for aesthetics. If you like them, you'l like anything he wrote.

Even if Neuromancer makes you roll your eyes, you might like "Virtual Light" and the short stories in "Burning Chrome". I think by the time he wrote Virtual Light he was past his horny teenager phase but still had some talent left.

As for deconstruction…Gibson said that even though the book was set in the future, he based the society on the one in which he lived at the time (the Reagan years). You will notice that, in contrast to other dystopian worlds, the Sprawl is a corporate-ruled wasteland and not a government-ruled wasteland. It will resonate more with you if you grew up in the '80s.

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 No.14198

>>14171

It is very difficult to follow the line of the plot, I think intentionally so. The disorientation felt by the reader gives an impression of the chaos of life in Gibson's 21st century.

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 No.14295

>>14198

This, tbh. After he left Chiba I had no idea of wtf was happening.

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 No.14288 [Open thread]

So. I just released a book and a bro told me "Go to this place and tell them".

I followed his advice. I hope you like it.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CH4898Z

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 No.14478

no replies lol

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 No.14237 [Open thread]

Time for some fun.

Roll for your /lit/ waifu

You may roll again, but only if you post a quote from the literary lady you were previously assigned.

ALSO – female writer thread.

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 No.15438

I love you M

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 No.15439

Roll

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 No.15899

>>14238

Might as well read some bitches

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 No.16107

>>14237

rolll

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 No.16748

>>14237

alright let's give it a go

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 No.14260 [Open thread]

>book is written by two authors

"Shadowrun" was tolerable but "the financial diaries" is garbage.

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 No.14247 [Open thread]

I'm writing scifi. Well trying to, I've run into a bit of a rut. So do you have any ideas? What do you all hate/love within a scifi novel? What are some good examples?

>pic related: the greatest story of all time

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 No.14248

>>14247

Probably a good idea to establish first what kind of sci-fi story you're writing, starting with whether you're writing hard sci-fi or soft sci-fi.

Hard sci-fi = Pure autistic art, as you remain as close and detailed to reality or what may be realistic expectations for future developments in technology as possible.

Soft sci-fi = You're not too bothered about scientific accuracy and just want to see how people respond to something hypothetical, without regard to whether such a thing is possible.

If normal literary muses have not yielded you success thus far, I'd recommend reading the manual for Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri. The autists who made that vidya actually include some of their notes on how they planned their sci-fi narrative, in addition to a reading list of various science-fiction books which inspired them to make Alpha Centauri, especially when it comes to trying to explain to your audience technologies which do not exist in a plausible manner.

Also with regards to my own personal preference, the only thing that really peeves me with sci-fi is when authors feel compelled to include psychics and wizards, throwing magic against material matter whilst everything else remains consistent. I don't mean Lovecraftian sci-fi, where the reality-fuckery is consistent with the established concept that the reality-fuckery is not breaking the laws of reality, but merely the main character observing an area of time and space with different laws of reality than that which they are accustomed to.

I mean stuff like Star Wars where space wizards run around flying like superman, just because. It's just distracting to me.

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 No.14249

This question is awfully vague. What is this sci-fi that as a term should instantly describe your apparently non-existent work accurately enough for someone to provide useful advice on the specifics? Unless you only count the most autistic manuals of near-future speculative engineering, sci-fi quickly becomes a close to meaningless designation for some nebulous flavour of (possibly futuristic) fantasy, which nevertheless inspire obsessed nerds to fling shit on what variety of implausible plot devices are sciencey enough to count.

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