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 No.12978 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

Old thread >>5000 is at the bump limit, so I'm making a new one.

"A /lit/ board without a writing thread is worse than useless."

Aspirant authors, tell me of your work.

Feel free to post excerpts or general ideas and don't hesitate to critique someone (especially if you want a critique of your own work in return).

To start it off, here's my post about what I'm working on from the previous thread: >>12848

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 No.14637

Is there a rule against writing fiction in 2nd person?

Personally I find it far easier to get across what I want to convey by writing the main character in 2nd person, then side characters as 3rd. Any recommendations, should I rewrite what I have so far into 3rd person or stick to my guns?

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 No.14638

>>14637

There's no rule as such. It's usually considered a usual error of a neophyte writer, one struggling with the whole idea of POV and how to deploy it. For commercial fiction it's discouraged as being unpleasant for the common reader.

Reasons in favor of using it include: attempting a specific effect on the reader where it would serve such, as a form of high literary technique for where nothing less than avant-garde would do, and purely as an exercise.

If you are looking for common readers to view your work you have to be careful, and fairly well experienced as a writer, to accomplish this.

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 No.14640

>>14615

>Am I a dope for making an extensive history to my world that'll never get used in full?

Take it as a challenge to get more creative with how you think through and write the details of your story. Whatever bits of the history you're coming up with you don't think you can find an organic place for in your story - find an organic place for each of them anyway.

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 No.14642

>>14637

>>14638

In addition, you want to be sure that character is engagingly sympathetic, or intensely interesting (or better, both!) to your readership.

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 No.16061

>>14637

No, but maybe give an example of what you mean so we can judge better.

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 No.16039 [Open thread]

What are some good story magazines currently running that I should be reading?

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 No.16043

>>16039

Does internet magazines count? I like Abyss & Apex.

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 No.16045

>>16043

>Does internet magazines count?

It honestly seems like that's about all that there is these days. Is Clarkesworld any good?

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 No.14522 [Open thread]

Where do you go to get feedback on your writing? I'd rather not post my shit on 8ch or Wizardchan but they're the only places outside of Reddit I know with writing communities who aren't pozzed to shit.

I'd like to do self published short stories and I'm willing to put the work in to improve. I just don't know how to get there yet.

Where should I be looking?

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 No.14541

>>14522

[spoiler] Flavour Town [spoiler]

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 No.14560

>>14522

Honestly, I would look for an english teacher or somebody who reads a lot of short stories.

Don't forget that everybody has a different opinion on how writing should be, so don't take what they say to heart, but compare it with what you know. "Is what their saying biased?", "Are they comparing basic structure not personal preferences?" Don't ever take what people say 100%, make sure their feedback is not bias and your good to go.

Good luck

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 No.15982

Entirely wrong way to go about things in my opinion. First, you should have read enough to know what you like and what you don't like. When you find yourself rewriting sentences, improving confusing descriptions, repairing plot holes, etc. - then your education is gaining momentum. Finally when everything you read is shit, and the only way out is to create your own holy work: this is the time to start writing. But even then, you are writing for yourself and nobody else. Feedback? Are you fucking kidding me? Writers who depend upon feedback is the reason there is so much shit.

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 No.16011

>>14522

>Where do you go to get feedback on your writing? I'd rather not post my shit on 8ch or Wizardchan but they're the only places outside of Reddit I know with writing communities who aren't pozzed to shit.

Why does it matter to you?

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 No.16020

>>14522

I had private classes with people (authors) who offered their services thru facebook. I read some of their work and appreciated it, so I showed them muh shit.

I think its a great place to start, if you find a honest and talented teacher. They wont hold their punches if you don't flinch (so don't!) and you will grow a lot.

Of course they will heavily influence you but its your job to make sure of keeping your own literay strand untouched.

The best method of learning is and will always be reading moar

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 No.13503 [Open thread]

Is he a hack? I've heard people say he steals ideas and overwrites. Plus he acts like a virtue signalling faggot on twitter.

How does his literature compare to others? Do they hold up on their own or is his writing an extension of post-modernism, hence it's (((popularity)))?

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 No.14597

His ideas for stories are pretty good, but his books are trash. I think he's the only writer who consistently has screen adaptations made that are better than the book they're based on

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 No.14603

He has a couple I like:

The Gunslinger (Dark Tower through book 3-4 is alright)

The Stand

Salem's Lot

Firestarter

Cycle of the Werewolf, but it's not really a standard novella

>>13555

IIRC, The Gunslinger started out as short stories that he ended up joining together into a novel. The second book came out like a decade after the first short story was published, so he probably didn't envision it as a series to begin with.

>>13999

I actually like the magic because it amplifies the Good vs. Evil aspect and isn't widespread. The Stand's main issue is that it suffers from serious bloat, mostly because there are more characters than King knows what to do with.

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 No.15981

>>14603 No, the first Gunslinger was touted right from the start to be an epic continuing series. I vaguely remember from the first edition introduction that his inspiration was The Good the Bad and the Ugly, and he wanted to create his own magnum opus.

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 No.15997

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>>14572

Your post is the most reddit thing I've seen in weeks.

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 No.16018

He wrote the same book over and over again. He's a best-selling asshole. It all deoends on wheter you like bestsellers or not.

Carrie was "decent" but I wouldn't call it good

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 No.15989 [Open thread]

My dear anons… How about the book that you just couldn't possibly finish reading, not because it was bad per se, but due to sheer disgust. I want malevolent, disturbing, truly unruly books. If it shook you, share it

PS: on another irrelevant but still interesting genre, what was the realest book you read? Something like Bukowski or John Fante, some authors that exposed their guts without embelishing their opinions.

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 No.16005

File: 793c7d5b2f31114⋯.jpg (20.71 KB,318x455,318:455,In the Land of Pain, Alpho….jpg)

Recently read. Did finish.

A harrowing series of notes about the downward progression of his health, along with his growing realization of his own prospects, and his attempts to face it. A story from a time before the germ theory of disease, before antibiotics, before any form of meaningful chemotherapy, or effective treatment of any kind. While not exactly rich, Daudet was wealthy enough to afford what could be had–chiefly quackery, and narcotics. Plus the occasional visit to an honest doctor who would point out, quite simply, his disease was going to kill him in due course through unbearably painful insanity.

“Pain, you must be everything for me. Let me find in you all those foreign lands you will not let me visit. Be my philosophy, be my science.”

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 No.16013

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>>16005

That sounds extremely interesting. I had no idea such a book existed, but I always imagined it should. RIP Alphonse.

>>15989

One of the few books I couldn't finish was "Blimdness" (An essay on Blindness) by Jose Saramago, not because it was malevolent, disturbing or truly unruly (you go to Sade for that, hands down. You're missing out if you havent read Sade) but all the contrary. It portrayed the submissive nature of humans to an extent I couldn't bear, so I dropped it like it was cursed.

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 No.14946 [Open thread]

How do we make this board more active? I want a place to talk about literature without having to go to the pretensions website that is reddit, or go on half/lit/ where it's full of Jordan Peterson threads.

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 No.15819

>>15818

>I wrote one awhile ago, so I can say this without being hypocritical. In a month, after I read more, I plan on actually working on my writing skills, so that I'm not just a consumer.

Are you the faggot with the 30K+ word fanfiction of some 90s hentai?

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 No.15820

>>15819

It was about a guy who woke up with a head injury, so no thats not me.

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 No.15904

Is anyone else sick of looking at threads opened with a wojak edit picture?

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 No.15909

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>>15904

They weren't all that interesting to begin with but what can one do? Them's western imgageboard culture, such as it is. Personally, I'd rather see more work-safe sexy, or anime, or work-safe sexy anime images. Even where they have nothing to do with the topic in question.

Maybe we need a Belle elf cosplay thread?

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 No.16012

>>15909

>They weren't all that interesting to begin with but what can one do? Them's western imgageboard culture, such as it is.

No, it's halfchan garbage.

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 No.12243 [Open thread]

I've been reading a lot of Chretien de Troyes lately, and decided to check out what literature was like on the other side of medieval Christendom, namely the Byzantine Empire. What do you guys recommend? Something from around the same time as de Troyes would be nice, but honestly I'll read anything.

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 No.12419

>>12418

A lot of Byzantine literature falls into a few categories, one that I remember is histories. Those fuckers loved to write histories. From wikipedia, the categories:

1. Histori(es/ans) and annal(ist)s

2. Encyclopedias and essays

3.Secular Poetry

3.1. Epigram

3.2. Panegyrics

3.3. Satires

3.4. Didactics

3.5. Begging Poem

3.6. Romance Novel

4. Ecclesiastical and theological literature

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_literature

Sage for double post.

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 No.12422

>>12243

sorry to show my ignorance but this is the only byzantine"literature" i know of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_Juris_Civilis

does this count?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Consolation_of_Philosophy

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 No.12495

>>12418

Yeah, I knew about those. I was just wondering if there was some other more obscure stuff that Google and Wikipedia didn't mention.

>>12419

>Romance Novel

It's strange that they wrote so few novels. I wonder if there were more and they just got destroyed when the Turks took over. I've heard that they had a habit of destroying any non-Muslim literature that wasn't purely scholarly when they conquered civilizations.

>>12422

I'll check these out, thanks.

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 No.12533

Read the Alexiad.

It's fucking good.

It is an epic about the accomplishments of Alexios Komnenos.

Nice both for the historic and literally value imho.

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 No.16007

g

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 No.16003 [Open thread]

Get redpilled

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 No.16021

File: 21f0436880a11b9⋯.jpg (10.75 KB,300x210,10:7,this is not a book.jpg)

>Hue hue if something has words it must be literature

By doing this you insult both Manga and Literature.

Leave.

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 No.15999 [Open thread]

Looking for a 1700s classical book of a stranded englishman teaching a native black things

A classical book

Some of the natives thought he was a wizard

On some island

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 No.16000

Book request

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 No.12076 [Open thread]

Is there a torrent or a online repository that has all of lit's recommended books? I found their Japanese download but that's about it. Been posting this around the chans for awhile and haven't gotten a response.

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 No.12141

>>12139

Yes, but there more preserved* in reality than in data.

*Besides fires, of course

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 No.12142

>>12141

*they are

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 No.12144

>>12141

Yes, that, only the precise opposite, for obvious reasons regarding what information is (noting "reality" and "data" as being false distinctions) and in how it may most simply be distributed.

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 No.12145

>>12141

>>12144

Alternatively: I can assure you that M-Discs are cheaper per megabyte than ink on parchment.

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 No.15995

++

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 No.12747 [Open thread]

The Captain underpants movie coming out lately has got me thinking.

If someone like say, Netflix, ever did another adaptation of the classic Wayside School books, one where Louis Sachar actually had input(like he did with Holes), which art style would be most aesthetically pleasing to use?

http://www.strawpoll.me/13003227

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 No.12761

>>12747

this is the first time i hear about this, sorry.

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 No.12764

I never really read those books as a kid, even though I had 3 different ones. I don't know if I still have them or if I donated them to the library.

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 No.12766

>>12747

i'd prefer the 1978 version, just cause its the version i read, not because it's more visually appealing or whatever

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 No.15994

+

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 No.13225 [Open thread]

I just got an idea to overcome writing block, especially for the times when you got a vision or a detailed plan but don't know how to put it to paper because you just cannot find a good start. I've never heard this idea before but I cannot imagine I'm the first one to come up with something like that, but anyway, here I go:

>Write down scenes in your head in a somewhat chronological order

>Number them

>Throw a dice or use a random number generator to determine what scene to write

>Repeat until a good part of the novel is standing, then fill in the blanks

It's simple, it might turn out to be a shitty idea, but I'll give it a try. I'll let you know how it goes.

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 No.13238

Why not forgo the numbering and just write the scenes you feel like writing? Eventually you'll have enough material to make it easy to write the scenes you don't really feel like writing. You might even find that many scenes weren't really that important at all for the overall story.

And if you don't feel like writing at all, why bother?

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 No.15993

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 No.15950 [Open thread]

What are some books that you were assigned to read that you actually enjoyed? What are your "classics"?

I want to read more books that are more generally well known. Some of the titles I was assigned have been:

Romeo and Juliet, Macbeth, Frankenstein, The Great Gatsby, Lord of the Flies, The House on Mango Street

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 No.15972

I liked lord of the flies to the point where i pretty much memorized it in high school while writing the essay we had to do.

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 No.15973

>>15950

I hated House on Mango Street when I read it in high school. I never gave a fuck about spics. The fact that it was about some minority living in modern US whining turned me off to it immediately because it had nothing to do with things I cared for at that time: heroism and glory although I still care about those things, I have found others. Great Gatsby was nicely written but wasted on mundane, trivial things in my opinion.

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 No.15985

DR SEUSS IS GODLY LITERATURE

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 No.15986

Timm Thaler, or the Traded Laughter

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 No.15987

>12950

You know, I really enjoyed the Martian Chronicles. We had the choice between Slaughterhouse 5, Martian Chronicles and one other book I can't remember. I decided on the scifi one, and honestly while I don't remember any of the specifics, I do remember it being an enjoyable read.

Also have to agree with >12972 that Lord of the Flies was amazing, hands down.

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 No.13871 [Open thread]

All women I've talked to in my life have mentioned this book. Is it worth reading?

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 No.14844

>>13987

This. Saint Elliot proved in his Manifesto that this book is clear gibberish bullshit.

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 No.14848

>taking reading recommendations from women

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 No.14849

>>13948

>If you want something enough and if you actually work towards getting it enough and keep a position expectation that you will receive it, then yes you'll get it. That's what happens.

That's complete and utter horseshit.

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 No.15979

The fact women are recommending it is testament enough that it should be avoided. Do you not have a fucking brain?

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 No.16068

>>13871

>All women I've talked to.

Shit, my deepest commiseration and sorrow man.

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 No.15177 [Open thread]

What's a good entry point if I want to start reading some Lovecraft?

Should I just grab the Necronomicon and/or Eldritch Tales, read some random short stories and skip to the next if they don't catch my interest?

I'd rather read something lengthier like a novel but from what I understand even they are at most ~150 pages. Which is fine I guess, but I still don't know where to start.

I'm only vaguely familiar with his work but I think I'd prefer to read the ones in a more overt 'mystical' setting

I was talking with a guy that gave me a bunch of suggestions but he also said that it wouldn't hurt if I'd ask for some other people opinions as well (and here I am) since he had read far from all of it.

>Some random suggestions that I wrote down

Dagon

The Horror at red dread hook

The Dunwich Horror

The doom that came to saranoth

The case of charles dexter ward

At the mountains of madness

The shadow out of time

The haunter of the dark

The thing at the doorstep

The shadow over innsmoth

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 No.15768

>if you're not my brand of retard you must be this other brand of retard

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 No.15928

Go read the Alchemist.

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 No.15943

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 No.15944

>>15746

fuck off, medcuck

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 No.15976

I started with 'A Reminiscence of Dr. Samuel Johnson' and did not continue.

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