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Excelsior!

Sister site: [Fan-fiction]

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 No.10049 [Open thread]

what does /lit/ think of audiobooks? is listening to a narration of a book as legitimate as reading it yourself in text form?

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 No.15860

File: bb77baf38704b92⋯.webm (14.59 MB,320x240,4:3,H.P. Lovecraft - The Call….webm)

Old thread, but the board is too slow to justify making a new one just for this.

I've been experimenting with encoding audiobooks as WebM files and the results are decent. With the right settings, I can get about 90 minutes of audio in. I don't see any practical use for it outside of imageboards, but maybe one of you will find it useful.

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 No.15861

File: 8840f8c7a4eadca⋯.webm (11.16 MB,320x240,4:3,George R.R. Martin - The ….webm)

And here's an example of a story I had to split.

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 No.15862

File: c3399a01ca417af⋯.webm (9.14 MB,320x240,4:3,George R.R. Martin - The ….webm)

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 No.15863

>>11201

True, but audiobooks are very convenient.

For instance, I might not have liked The Master and Margarita as much if I hadn't listened to the audiobook because the narrator did a great job of keeping me interested.

On the other hand, when I listened to the The Magic Mountain audiobook, it felt like it didn't do justice to how good the content of the novel actually was. Because the story was excellent.

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 No.15865

File: d55210ec853bcd2⋯.webm (15.64 MB,320x240,4:3,Harlan Ellison - A Boy an….webm)

Here's one read by the author himself. I could have made it a bit smaller, but IMO it wasn't worth it for how much worse the music would have sounded.

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 No.9619 [Open thread]

What writers capture a good sense of insanity in their prose?

What stories does /lit/ recommend that convey insanity?

Can you remember any passages you liked with characters going or acting utterly mad?

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 No.15749

Georges Bataille was a sick fuck, sort of the Left version of Lovecraft's Right.

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 No.15807

Derrida

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 No.15808

It would be interesting to have a story where the characters are slowly driven insane by using the power of a cosmic horror. I'm thinking of a combination of some of Lovecraft's stuff and Getter Robo. Especially the New Getter Robo anime.

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 No.15837

File: 4db11f5d4fc1495⋯.jpg (1.1 MB,1697x2599,1697:2599,Surreal_literature.jpg)

>>9619

a lot of surrealist lit tackles this issue, you should look into that.

from the chart i'd definitely recommend maldoror, the whole book consists of vignettes written by a misanthropic madman.

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 No.15852

>>9619

Artuad not even a question

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 No.15260 [Open thread]

Time to go into the dark

where the night has eyes

to recognize its own.

There you can be sure

you are not beyond love.

The dark will be your womb

tonight.

The night will give you a horizon

further than you can see.

You must learn one thing.

The world was made to be free in

Give up all the other worlds

except the one to which you belong.

Sometimes it takes darkness and the sweet

confinement of your aloneness

to learn

anything or anyone

that does not bring you alive

is too small for you.

– “Sweet Darkness” by David Whyte

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 No.15846

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 No.15848

Ambition by Robert E Howard

Build me a gibbet against the sky,

Solid and strong and long miles high,

Let me hang where the high winds blow

That never stoop to the world below,

And the great clouds lumber by.

Let the people who toil below

See me swaying to and fro,

See me swinging the aeons through,

A dancing dot in the distant blue.

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 No.15850

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 No.12774 [Open thread]

What books have you reread the most often?

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 No.14397

>>14384

Thanks, I was considering reading The Brothers Lionheart.

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 No.15671

I’ve reread If on a Winter’s Night a Traveler three or four times now. I’m thinking I’ll come back to it either in the fall or next spring.

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 No.15677

>>12774

>implying I read them the first time

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 No.15829

>>13085

>whereas its absurdist qualities to my mind detracted from its meaning

pleb

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 No.15836

>>12774

I have so many books now, and I'm such a slow reader, that I don't have time to reread anything.

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 No.15633 [Open thread]

rate my archive

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 No.15713

>>15691

That's really the inverse of the anonymous spirit, really. How can you tell if someone is an expert and at what? So-called experts are not necessarily better than other people just because they have a PhD or are successful in one area of life. Another problem with that is what does their expertise bring to literature? Reading books only for knowledge leaves in my opinion one deprived of something fundamental and which I can't seem to name at the moment.

I was joking in my last post, though.

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 No.15760

File: 1e9e5a54d01c039⋯.jpg (15.55 KB,236x279,236:279,FB_IMG_1546316034467.jpg)

>>15663

<LOOK AT HOW PRETENTIOUS I AM

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 No.15763

>>15664

Oh look it's mr. Knowitall

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 No.15825

>>15763

Technically a 'Mr. Know-It-All' would read books all the way through just to brag about it.

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 No.15835

>>15634

>9/11

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 No.14389 [Open thread]

What esoteric sci-fi novels would you recommend? Like The Incal, Dune, The Metabarons… you know, that kind of style? (I'd prefer they weren't graphic novels tho)

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 No.15340

File: 4c27dfc99d069e8⋯.jpg (146.32 KB,280x475,56:95,quest of the three worlds.jpg)

I think this one made Cordwainer Smith my favorite scifi author. The rest of his Instrumentality stories are worth reading too, though I think only pic related really qualifies as "esoteric".

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 No.15373

File: f08bd68c7cec1c7⋯.jpg (56.31 KB,318x463,318:463,60211.jpg)

Book of the New Sun.

It doesn't get more esoteric.

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 No.15725

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 No.15791

File: d9cdbfc0cd7f577⋯.png (52.66 KB,879x281,879:281,d9cdbfc0cd7f5775b4b16b0ee9….png)

I wouldn't call them esoteric per se, but I highly recommend the novels of Greg Egan as science fiction stories that are about dealing with different questions of the nature of reality.

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 No.15834

File: f505613ae4c511d⋯.jpg (24.01 KB,251x397,251:397,TheUrthOfTheNewSun(1stEd).jpg)

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>>15373

>It doesn't get more esoteric.

Oh yeah?

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 No.15812 [Open thread]

Is this board /lgbt/ friendly?

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 No.15830

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 No.15883

bump

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 No.15930

bump

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 No.15945

>>15812

fuck off faggot

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 No.15967

No fags to the oven

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 No.15797 [Open thread]

join my discord book club motherfuckers, pseuds and fags can fuck off

epub for monthly reading provided

gg/cpbXAR

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 No.15799

>>15798

mayhaps you have a better alternative in mind? I was thinking mumble but nobody uses it and I don't want to pay for a server.

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 No.15800

>>15798

Pretty much this. Why don't you share your books on /lit/ instead of gating them behind a ~private community~ for a botnet program?

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 No.15802

10ips a day, and you shill your shit here. You're amazing incompetent, so it no surprise that you're also an anime nigger.

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 No.15806

>>15800

well, I wanted something a bit more community-esque than the anon culture on /lit/. something a tad more structural.

>>15802

hey friend, I just googled the picture, I don't watch the cartoons. also, amazingly* :L

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 No.15809

>>15806

>well, I wanted something a bit more community-esque than the anon culture on /lit/. something a tad more structural.

Go back to reddit.

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 No.15761 [Open thread]

Did any of note beyond Plato exist? This includes people of the Orient as well. Jewgle isn't any turning up anything.

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 No.15784

>>15770

Well, your OP post doesn't suggest it.

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 No.15786

>>15784

Well I apologize I just wanted to get some info. As far as I know essentials was only really popular until the renaissance.

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 No.15787

You know all this play-dough crap is made to distract retards?

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 No.15790

>>15787

I didn't think anything was wrong being retarded YOU URBANITE FAGGOT

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 No.15801

This is a pro-Jew board.

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File: 6bcc879632a441c⋯.jpg (98.18 KB,353x500,353:500,Tolstoy.jpg)

 No.15575 [Open thread]

As soon as the art of the upper classes became separated from the art of the whole people, there arose the conviction that art can be art and yet be incomprehensible to the masses. As soon as this thesis was allowed, it inevitably became necessary to allow that art may be comprehensible only to a small number of the elect, and, finally, only for two, or one – a best friend, one’s own self. This is what modern artists say straight out: ‘I create and I understand myself; if others do not understand me, so much the worse for them.’

The assertion that art can be good art and yet be incomprehensible to a large number of people is so wrong, its consequences are so pernicious for art, and it is at the same time so widespread, so embedded in our notions, that no explanation of its utter incongruity can suffice.

Nothing is more common than to hear said of alleged works of art that they are very good but very difficult to understand. We are used to the assertion, and yet to say that a work of art is good but incomprehensible is the same as saying of some kind of food that it is very good but people cannot eat it. People may not like rotten cheese, putrid grouse and other such dishes appreciated by gastronomes with perverted taste, but bread and fruit are only good when people like them. It is the same with art: perverted art may be incomprehensible to people, but good art is always understood by everyone.

It is said that the best works of art are such that they cannot be understood by the majority and are accessible only to the elect, who are prepared to understand these great works. But if the majority do not understand, they must be given an explanation, the knowledge necessary for understanding. But it turns out that this knowledge does not exist, that the works cannot be explained, and therefore those who say that the majority do not understand good works of art give no explanations, but say that in order to understand one must read, look at, or listen to the same work over and over again. But this is not to explain, it is to make accustomed. And one can get accustomed to anything, even the worst. As it is possible to get people accustomed to rotten food, vodka, tobacco, opium, so it is possible to get them accustomed to bad aPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.15776

>>15575

I don’t get it

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 No.15778

Thanks Leo, you're a cool guy. Proving once again that /lit/ can't read:

>>15589

>>15591

>>15602

>>15776

and doesn't read:

>>15586

His personal religious views aside, as everything in that time was framed in Christianity, he is just saying that good art will have universal appeal. That isn't to say that it's simple or aimed at the lowest common denominator, but that it has something for everyone (e.g. a novel with romance, action, and intrigue like The Count of Monte Cristo), does not purposely offend the sensibilities of the common man (e.g. isn't draw in menstrual blood) and also doesn't sacrifice quality to be 2deep4u (hitler_jews_artschool_denied.jpg).

He is really just talking about kiked, "elitist" modern art and literature; you guys should recognize this. Some key take-aways:

>As soon as the art of the upper classes became separated from the art of the whole people, there arose the conviction that art can be art and yet be incomprehensible to the masses. As soon as this thesis was allowed, it inevitably became necessary to allow that art may be comprehensible only to a small number of the elect, and, finally, only for two, or one – a best friend, one’s own self. This is what modern artists say straight out: ‘I create and I understand myself; if others do not understand me, so much the worse for them.’

Slippery slope to modern art hell

> But it turns out that this knowledge does not exist, that the works cannot be explained, and therefore those who say that the majority do not understand good works of art give no explanations, but say that in order to understand one mustPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.15783

>>15778

>That isn't to say that it's simple or aimed at the lowest common denominator

Yes, he is. Because something that's incomprehensible to one person may not be incomprehensible to another; for example, reading and understanding Moby Dick is an undertaking that most regular people would find strenuous. That's what I mean by him idealizing the masses: he presumes that all great literature can immediately be understood by them by the mere fact that it may have universal qualities, like love, war, etc.

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 No.15788

>>15783

All great literature can be understood because it doesn't have those things.

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 No.15789

>>15788

No, it doesn't. Vocabulary and style can change whether something is comprehensible to the masses or not in spite of the universal qualities it may possess. Moby Dick is great literature and is difficult in comprehensibility.

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File: d88565281a0a86e⋯.jpg (446.63 KB,1200x1500,4:5,richard_dawkins.jpg)

 No.12574 [Open thread]

>shits on philosophy, yet constantly engages in it at the same time

What did he mean by this?

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 No.15418

>>15413

I am now argueing with a libtard who is such a defeatist that he speaks solely in sarcasm, ain' I?

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 No.15748

he made a comment about continental philosophy and considering most scientism is based off analytic it would figure.

>since when is philosophy based on continents

because, Dawkins you daft fuck, morality isn't universal, no matter how much you try to force it. the west is falling because unlike the east we threw Plato out to pasture and took Aristotle to his final conclusion, whereas the east always had a Zen balance between the two. science was the homewrecker that destroyed the relationship between philosophy and religion/culture. fin.

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 No.15751

>>14854

that's a nice a meme a faggot

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 No.15767

File: 3fb8e878889fab8⋯.png (6.9 KB,1150x50,23:1,Richard Dawkins.png)

>shits on the X-Files, yet doesn't know it's a work of fiction

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 No.15785

>>15767

Dirty Dawkins only watches nonfictional programming.

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File: 75cf02a96817263⋯.jpg (18.77 KB,300x360,5:6,segal_erich.jpg)

 No.15653 [Open thread]

how come you never discuss erich segal, /lit/? I thought you had taste?

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 No.15655

File: e25633de3ddef6c⋯.png (132.96 KB,279x303,93:101,mokou-shrug.png)

>be anonymous

>thinking I care about my tastes being validated as "good taste"

Where do you think you are?

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 No.15781

>>15653

He looks like a gay vampire.

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File: 0bc101985f1a159⋯.jpg (53.42 KB,530x368,265:184,cheever and updike.jpg)

 No.15738 [Open thread]

Who is chief among the "midcentury misogynists?" I've read a little of Cheever, Updike, Roth, and Bellow. Now I'm wondering who to pursue, or if I should be spending my time with Yates, or someone else altogether.

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 No.15741

Schmitt if you really wanna go there, from what I've heard.

Yockey if further.

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 No.15780

>>15738

Halfway through a collection of Cheever’s fiction and I’m finding most of it to be enjoyable, but rather slow.

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File: 90bd16b7aa6813f⋯.jpg (109.04 KB,600x387,200:129,Henry-Darger.jpg)

 No.15164 [Open thread]

The Story of the Vivian Girls, in What is Known as the Realms of the Unreal, of the Glandeco-Angelinian War Storm, Caused by the Child Slave Rebellion

I want to be the first person to read this 15,000 page novel in its entirety. Where can I find this book? Has anyone read bits or pieces of it?

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 No.15173

>>15164

>I want to be the first person to read this 15,000 page novel in its entirety

Are you telling me it hasn't been read?

Anyway, why? It's essentially CWC-tier, and the guy was clearly mental. When I was a young boy, I used to fantasize about battles as well, in which the enemy often fought nude. I grew out of it, though, which he did not, likely as a result of being raped.

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 No.15176

>>15173

>When I was a young boy, I used to fantasize about battles in which the enemy often fought nude.

Anon I hate to tell you this, but

you might be kinda gay.

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 No.15565

>>15164

To answer your question you can't read the book in its entirety. Most of the books are so badly damaged that you can barely touch it without it coming apart. The pages haven't been scanned, but there are summaries of it online.

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 No.15779

>>15176

You’re telling me you didn’t think about jiggling war-tits?

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 No.15022 [Open thread]

Daily reminder to diligently study (not simply read) the Greeks.

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 No.15729

Speaking of the Greeks, has there been a Christian apologetics for Epicurus?

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 No.15730

>>15022

I have and it wasn't worth it. Greeks are just a way for mundanes to feel mystical learning shit like "it's not good to be mean" (woah much profound mind = blown)

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 No.15732

>>15730

There are plenty of historical guides to the old greeks which are more useful than just getting head over shoulders into reading the original texts. I saw one of those extensive "start with the greeks" charts from cuckchan and couldn't shake the feeling that the person putting them together was just flexing their meme muscle on newfriends.

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 No.15733

>>15732

>historical guides to the old greeks

To ancient greek philosophy i mean.

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 No.15753

>>15730

look out we got ourselves a Machiavelli here

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