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Excelsior!

Sister site: [Fan-fiction]

File: 48f03558008ef47⋯.jpg (2.28 MB,1992x2656,3:4,Kafka.jpg)

 No.16860 [Open thread]

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 No.16871

Shit it needs to be more popular

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 No.16872

>>16871

Yeah it actually has some potential

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 No.16874

Charlie > (((Kafka)))

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 No.16876

>>16874

Charlie Manson? In what way?

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File: 098631380b549a3⋯.jpeg (258.06 KB,750x469,750:469,EA537E7F_09EC_4B67_B63A_2….jpeg)

 No.16875 [Open thread]

Yep

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File: 85c6671faaa2075⋯.jpeg (99.41 KB,900x675,4:3,ccru.jpeg)

File: f2e7d28eec4fc60⋯.jpeg (171.12 KB,900x675,4:3,reader.jpeg)

 No.16237 [Open thread]

I've been wanting to read these two books for a while now, and I was wondering if anyone else has read them to.

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 No.16274

I read some of it. But I'm more decelerationist Linkola/Camette gang so id suggest it's a better path to go.

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 No.16376

I read #ACC and it is good. A bunch of essays covering all the basics.

Tried the CCRU one, but tbh it's all just too weird for me.

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 No.16855

>>16237

#ACCELERATE is a good one at the start, then it devolves into L/acc shit (left accelerationism) so it's pretty biased. I'd recommend reading both of them and adding Fanged Noumena to the mix, plus, to get a clear view of the topic and to avoid the dumb meme take of the topic (the acceleration of the contradictions) you should read the U/ACC primer https://xenogothic.com/2019/03/04/a-u-acc-primer/ it covers the history and contemporary developments around the topic. just dont fall for the dumb faggot take "Hurr durr capital goes brrrum brruum"

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 No.16864

>>16237

I feel like this is a meme ideology. it's literally =gotta go fast=

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 No.16870

>>16864

its acting like a lunatic and pretending the world is somehow changing because of it.

Le ironic retard who only pretends to act retarded for the greater good but is still a retard for all intents and purposes as far everyone else is concer, thats what being an accelerationist is like. Is also closet how closet degenerates allow themselves to behave that way and still think of degenerates as their enemies, fucking sociopathic and schizo shit honestly.

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File: 7cb9fee9cd0b623⋯.png (446.66 KB,474x643,474:643,7cb9fee9cd0b6234555df125c1….png)

 No.16590 [Open thread]

Well, are any of you majoring in English? Why or why not? Any advice?

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 No.16825

I'm not majoring in English because it didn't look like a good path at the time to get a job. I enjoyed improving my English in my English courses and sometimes like to learn about linguistics and etymology, but I don't know if I would've been satisfied to work as an editor or technical writer. English to me looks somewhat boring as a major despite its interesting aspects because there is philosophy and the sciences to choose from instead. This also gives me a wider range of knowledge that I can draw upon if I ever decide to write fiction.

Did you get any dual-major, minors, or certificates to go with your English major?

What were your electives like and did you enjoy the other required core courses?

Is there something you feel you gained as an English major that other majors miss out on?

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 No.16826

>>16825

I've entertained the thought that I should have majored in STEM. I have a minor in history. I have taken courses in history, philosophy, botany, and classics and have enjoyed them.

Is there something you feel you gained as an English major that other majors miss out on?

An education

>>16824

Too late

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 No.16827

>>16826

Excuse me, I meant to say that I missed out on an education. Writing is a skill but I feel as if going through most universities to learn that skill is a mistake.

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 No.16828

>>16827

You do have more freedom though for elective choices, so in a way, that's more of an education because you can spread out across different subjects without having to get too technically involved in certain subjects. I think what I really had in mind is how STEM has more specific requirements in the workplace, whereas writing jobs outside of teaching and big companies can be obtained more loosely. I have this idea in my head that English majors are mostly made up of people that want to be a teacher or those that want to become an author, but I don't know how accurate that is. I never knew anyone that was an English major.

I feel like I missed out on philosophy and the classics by not taking them, even if I do read some of them on the side. If I ever decide to continue my education after my undergraduate degree, I'm thinking of changing my major to philosophy, religion, or anthropology. These are the typical majors people point out as having no jobs but I've come to see that they are my true passion now. One author I like got his undergraduate degree in geography, philosophy, and English literature (I'm not sure if this meant triple-major though), but ended his PhD in classics. So it's funny to see that he too came from geography and now he translates/interprets ancient and medieval manuscripts. Maybe I can find a stable job first and invest in pursuing my passions later. I've thought of writing articles for science websites as this might be the right kind of niche for me to fill into and there seems to be no shortage of websites, just not many that pay well.

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 No.16863

>>16590

I already did. Not the worst thing to do. I'm working my way through law school and think I'll focus on IP. The thing about an English degree is that it's not a trade degree like a lot of STEM stuff, you have to find your own niche and hustle to get your foot in the door. After that, you'll probably going to have an easier time climbing the ladder than most.

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 No.16842 [Open thread]

Do any of you have a book that you return to as a kind of palate cleanser? It doesn't have a frequent return, just something that you've found rewarding with multiple reads.

pic related for me.

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 No.16856

>>16842

I just finished Pnin and thought it was pretty comfy

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 No.16859

>>16842

Probably this and Amsterdam Stories. Perfect to just curl up in an armchair while it rains outside.

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 No.16862

>>16859

Ordered, I'll let you know how it goes.

Thanks anon

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File: 25851740a00c88f⋯.jpeg (22.35 KB,400x400,1:1,Jacques_Lacan.jpeg)

 No.16735 [Open thread]

What's the point of this?

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 No.16742

>>16741

Try independently thinking. Pick a book with an interesting summary. If you can't find anything interesting from him, then you don't have to pay attention to him.

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 No.16743

>>16735

I think he'd say excrement

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 No.16744

>>16742

>reading

You know we're on a lit board right?

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 No.16757

Playing with words

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 No.16857

The gist of Lacan's philosophy is that "We think we speak but mainly we are spoken." Going into it further would require more effort on your part. I'm dedicating my life to Lacanian analysis, you can ask me whatever about the theory and praxis of it.

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File: 01e495256fff365⋯.jpg (130.06 KB,1123x1600,1123:1600,JD_Salinger.jpg)

 No.16845 [Open thread]

So many people don't see Salinger as a quality writer.

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 No.16847

It's probably because most people have only read Catcher in the Rye, which is above average, but not incredible. (Also because retard high school interpretations) I always felt that Salinger's short fiction was more interesting and an overall better read.

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 No.16848

>>16847

I agree, nine stories is incredible. Franny and Zooey is great too.

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 No.16850

File: 72b4dcde38e7cb2⋯.jpg (122.23 KB,1000x708,250:177,truthinindia.jpg)

>>16847

People just love to shit on holden because it makes them feel smart and superior

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 No.16853

>>16850

she needs to get that cup back on its saucer, she'll mark up that lovely wooden table!

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File: 5c155a82299b2dc⋯.jpg (767.83 KB,1080x2220,18:37,Screenshot_20200530_033208….jpg)

 No.16831 [Open thread]

Is there a way to learn how to write? Like techniques and stuff? Similar to how artists have Loomis and other books to study drawing. Is there a book or something to study how to write without sounding boring?

All my shit is just sounds fucked when I read it back. Like pacing feels off. I'm not doing anything wrong, grammatically, but I feel like I'm stuck drawing inside the lines, when it comes to sentence structure.

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 No.16832

I think it reads robotically. Try to read it out loud and see how it compares with the way you speak. This may help you find a way to make it sound more natural.

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 No.16833

>>16832

That's kinda my exact issue. If I say it like I envision it in my head, all the details are missing, and the sentences feel real short.

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 No.16835

>>16833

Then just keep writing till you get it all down. You'll improve with practice. The other tip is to read more.

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 No.16851

Just read a shit ton and don't describe how people say stuff the reader will automatically imagine it.

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 No.16212 [Open thread]

Fiction recommendations?

I don't care what genre as long as it is good or likable in some way.

Examples of what I enjoyed: Harry Potter, Kite Runner, A Separate Peace, Little Prince, Catcher in the Rye, Song of Lioness/Tamora Pierce, The Outsiders, To Kill a Mockingbird, Lord of Flies

Examples of meh: Hunger Games, Narnia, My Sister's Keeper, Alice in Wonderland, Clique series, Uglies/Pretties/Specials

Examples of what I hated: The Magician, Alchemist, Lord of Rings, Jane Austin, Great Gatsby

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 No.16271

>>16217

Came here just to say that. Thanks.

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 No.16283

>>16255

>>16212

Go back to reddit and kill yourself, faggot

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 No.16840

File: 09add81d2f10348⋯.jpeg (202.47 KB,710x1136,5:8,4443A7D5_BEC2_4C79_924B_C….jpeg)

You may like this book.

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 No.16841

>>16255

and you're a fan of Harry Potter?

Do you happen to own a Nintendo Switch?

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 No.16843

>>16217

>how can you hate lord of the rings but enjoy harry potter? are you thirteen years old?

Harry Potter is just way better

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File: e12e8c8a93ce5d2⋯.png (354.31 KB,620x349,620:349,the_conspiracy_against_the….png)

 No.16819 [Open thread]

Why do Anglos praise this work?

It's a basic bitch brainlet book.

The only saving grace is the copious selections of superiour Continental prose which the author lifted from greater writers of the past.

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 No.16822

>>16819

Why would you even read that? It looks really gay.

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File: 17f203edffba692⋯.jpeg (118.29 KB,960x720,4:3,image.jpeg)

 No.15520 [Open thread]

Do any smart people here know any fiction books about living forever? Like a person who has lived through the Roman ages all the way up the present and has become a cryptic/reserved person as a result?

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 No.16816

That would be Tuck Everlasting

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 No.16818

I think Anne Rice did something with that exact premise but I've never read anything by her, nor do I intend to.

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File: 9ceac876d1330f1⋯.jpg (29.91 KB,474x562,237:281,.jpg)

 No.16432 [Open thread]

I'm a moron who is trying to read more because my memory is garbage, and apparently reading can possibly help it. Are there any apocalyptic event books set in deep space, in the far future? I can find apocalyptic books, I can find deep space books, and I can find distant future books, but not one that combines all three.

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 No.16435

I suspect this is not quite what you are looking for. I'll throw them out there anyway.

The original Foundation trilogy by Isaac Asimov. His short story magazine format may be easier for you to grasp being as it is somewhat repetitive. Most of the stories take place on planets though.

Consider Phlebas by Iain M. Banks. As I recall, themes ranging from "here it comes!" to exploring places long after an apocalypse run through this work.

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 No.16438

>>16434

I did read your post wrong, dumb me. You clearly stated apocalyptic event, not post-apocalyptic.

>Event Horizon

So by apocalyptic event you mean a catastrophe/major accident and by deep-space you mean happening in space instead of on a planet? You could try giving Blindsight a chance.

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 No.16772

>>16435

Just started re-reading Phlebas I forgot how based that shit is. FALC-tards BTFO.

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 No.16783

File: ca0aa0f7b173a8b⋯.gif (1.26 MB,320x180,16:9,Lh2xFs.gif)

>>16432

I would consider looking into:

>Horus Heresy series

>Songs of The Dying Earth (and the dying Earth genre it spawned)

>The Night Land

>Hyperion

I would also recommend you read cosmic horror like The Dark Gods by Ted Klein.

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 No.16808

>>16802

Also, there are some novelisations of Judge Dredd which has a similar feel.

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File: 66d689e1767eece⋯.pdf (336.1 KB,chroniclesofaryanrobot&his….pdf)

 No.16597 [Open thread]

I've been writing a scifi story on my offtime, and I'd take any form of feedback.

Current Word Count: 32,018

Status: Draft (about 3 parts done out of 5)

I marked [R] for chapters I plan on majorly revising, and [W] for part/chapters that aren't done yet.

In case 8kun hiccups and can't serve files, I can give another link.

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 No.16769

It looks interesting but the English is plain. You could easily expand what you have. I do like your to-the-point first sentence though, it is a bit grabbing. Maybe what you have written works out better than going large, but I wrote an example below on something like the way I would write it to show you ways you can expand the descriptions. Some people may yell at me and say “some descriptions aren’t important” so maybe I’m just being autistic by wanting to know the geology of Amoi. I’m not even from /lit/ and I have only read a few fiction stories in my life so don’t take my opinion seriously.

Barren and inhospitable was the nature of this planet, which was more distant away from its parent star compared to its sibling worlds, as this was the twelfth planet away from its host. But even here on this inhospitable planet, humans would come to defy its rules and make it hospitable by claiming it as their home, and this planet would be called Amoi. Looking down on Amoi during its nighttime, you would see a small cluster of glowing lights, spread out like a creeping fluorescent fungus on the underside of a stone. There are only three cities on Amoi as this planet was only recently colonized, all of which neighbor each other. One city was the planet’s capital, named Tanagura. Tugging on the side of Tanagura like a satellite’s relentless gravitational pull was an urban city named Midas, and Midas shined most brightly at night compared to the other two cities. The third city was named Ceres, an autonomous sector, and its nightly glow appeared in the form of mere specks, far and few between.

In the dim city of Ceres, there were slums that hid in the shadow of Midas city. This crevice between two cities, on a planet far off from the rest of humanity, would be where one of many men and women would be raised in. This young man appeared like his natural environment, with dark hair and black clothing. His dark clothing was casual as well and didn’t stand out, but in this case, that’s exactly what he wanted. Perched on the top of building’s rooftop, he blended in with his surroundings like the way a gargoyle becomes one with a cathedral, and he looked outward with a fixed gaze. The only thing between his eyes and the city below were the crosshairs of his sniper rifle. He was contracted to assassinate a foreign diplomat, and just the merPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.16770

>>16769

One of the early advices I took when writing was mentioning a character as soon as possible. So the first paragraph doesn't go into detail about the geology (almost all scenarios takes place in the cluster of civilization). Partly to represent that going innawoods is a viable option (there is no woods).

If you want a rough timeline of the planet, a colony ship descended on it a few hundred years ago, which is an extremely short amount of time to properly terraform albedo, atmospheric conditions, to support basic life.

As for Ceres, the gender ratio is extremely skewed (as revealed in Chapter 2), and the general populace on the planet is extremely tampered by genetic engineering and cyborg engineering.

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 No.16771

>>16770

>innawoods is a viable option

isn't*

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 No.16773

>>16770

I never write stories but I have had some short fiction writings as university assignments. One thing that began to grow in my mind was questioning how descriptive I should be. I know that the reader doesn't know what I think, so I always tried to be as descriptive as possible, but I sometimes wonder it becomes overwhelming and takes away from the plot.

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 No.16774

>>16773

I took shot at writing for the hell of it a while ago. So

(1) how much detail I put in a scene is generally indicative of how much description I think is enough. I generally lose interest in a block of text and when nothing is really happening.

(2) more words adds on to more chances of errors, then more effort when it coems to proofreading and editing.

(3) one of the feedback I got from initial drafts was that I put too much visual detail

It doesn't mean I go scant, but I'd like to do the best possible with concise wording.

Fundamentally, every medium of art has its weaknesses and strengths. Visual and aural detail is what writing is extremely weak at conveying (vs a picture, audio), so I don't think heavy description helps. Vivid description may have been awesome before motion picture was a thing, but now we have YouTube and the internet.

>>16769

>humans would come to defy its rules

Not really the right prose for the setting since humans are generally the subjugated demographic on the planet. The government is run by an AI, cyborgs and androids.

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File: ea4a9381a9ca7c8⋯.jpg (1.25 MB,1049x1500,1049:1500,The_Plague_1898.jpg)

 No.16728 [Open thread]

Any recommended reads while I wait for this Covid-19 thing to blow over? I've got my food and supplies stocked up and I work remotely so I think I'll make it if I stay in and read.

Plague theme is preferred, but not required.

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 No.16754

File: ec103939712a6dd⋯.png (210.77 KB,333x499,333:499,ClipboardImage.png)

>>16728

This is Your Brain On Parasites. Sweet dreams with this one.

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 No.16756

Camus' Plague has seen a rise in sales lately, but I had read it before so I'm reading other fresh and optimistic stories instead, like Marcel Pagnol's books. In The Time of Love in particular there is a chapter about the Plague in Marseilles.

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 No.16758

>>16755

>human author

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 No.16759

>"it's just the flu, bro" *goes on cruise ship for spring break*

>the coronavirus is a genetically engineered to distribute superhuman genes to the Chinese populace because their government follows less scruples

>"you can't call it the chinese flu bro because its like racist"

>the coronavirus is a Chinese bioweapon meant to cripple other countries economically

>"ayy yo nigga we needs them toilet papers" *family pushes two shopping carts of toilet paper*

>"POSSIBLY AS DEADLY AS THE SPANISH FLU"

>the coronavirus actually started in Italy as a Chinese researcher was transporting a virus from a Canadian laboratory

>the coronavirus is covered up by the government to prevent overpopulation and to keep the economy going

>the coronavirus can be cured with hydroxylchloroquine/quinine/chlorine/aquarium cleaner/bleach "BUT BIG PHARMA DOESNT WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS BECAUSE THE PATENTS EXPIRED AND THEY WANT TO SELL VACCINES"

Anyone else getting their fill of scifi from the news media?

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 No.16768

>>16754

Damn, they say don't judge a book by its cover but that looks good.

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 No.15344 [Open thread]

I'm genuinely baffled by the adoration for him. I've read his stories and don't understand the appeal. Could someone explain it? Brainlet here.

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 No.16456

>>16325

I personally don't think he is guilty of pushing for occultism, as opposed to painting witchcraft as destructive. My mom was always into weird occultish things, I've always had a hatred for it, and Lovecraft only solidified that for me.

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 No.16457

>>15344

reddit is that way

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 No.16458

>>16456

Ok so you're autistic; that doesn't make Lovecraft any less of an occultist.

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 No.16763

>>15344

You can't appreciate his job unless you are disgusted/terrified by modernity.

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>>16763

This is pretty spot on. Normalfags don’t get the appeal of cosmic horror – they want whatever schlock Hollywood churns out instead – jumpscare-riddled, low-effort horror about ghosts and daemons, &c.

Cosmic horror is a slow burn, and it makes to think about the implications of the story after you have put the book down – mankind’s role in the infinite cosmos, the short time human civilisation has existed, and what was before us and what will come after us.

And since it so hard to adapt his stories, and do cosmic horror right in film and TV, you get these butchered adaptations and low-effort attempts at the sub-genre, so someone who watches these, might not even bother to look up Lovecraft’s original stories because of that.

2009 H.P. Lovecraft Film Festival: Dan O'Bannon's "Howie" Acceptance Speech on Vimeo: https://vimeo.com/15911259

Alien Explorations: 2009 H.P. Lovecraft Film Festival: Dan O'Bannon's "Howie" Acceptance Speech transcription: http://archive.vn/KhTXi / http://web.archive.org/web/20190925112507/https://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/2009/09/2009-hp-lovecraft-film-festival-dan.html

Dan O'Bannon H.P. Lovecraft Film Festival 2009 Howie Award, PART 1: https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=FG2JRNVji-8

Dan O'Bannon 2009 Howie Award Acceptance H.P. Lovecraft Film Fest, PART 2 (Final): https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=qrR_9l4HUHw

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