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Excelsior!

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File: 45378b6d15b6908⋯.jpg (53.65 KB,640x360,16:9,Amphithéatre.jpg)

 No.16196 [Open thread]

I've been reading intensively for almost three years and during the last months I've taken advantage of being unemployed for writing some poems and short stories. In September I plan to follow literature courses at the unit next to my apartment, but I already feel tired of start off again the study routine (stressful exams, irritating classmates, boring professors) although the content of most of the courses really interesting me. The diploma itself has no significant value for me since I already have an engineer's degree, all I want is to perfect my writing in order to get published some day.

What would you do /lit?

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 No.16204

>>16196

Learning english may improve your writing

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 No.16219

File: d6d18396ff21a07⋯.jpg (31.2 KB,314x475,314:475,bloom.jpg)

I agree with reading, analyzing styles, and doing. Wasting money on literature courses is dumb to some extent.

Although reasonably well-read and wanting to write the "great novel" of our times, I was given the book The Western Canon by a friend. Yeah, I know Harold Bloom may not be particularly loved by some, but through reading the book I gained enormous respect for his views.

The chapters of this book start with Chaucer and work their way through the iconic authors of Western literature and with each Bloom discusses why the works form part of the canon of great literature. His analysis is structured around his theory of imagination: why characters live in a reader's mind, how an author's expression creates an imaginary world, the historical significance of writings (ie zeitgeist), etc.

It took me three years to read this book as I read dozens of the works he was discussing along the way, and in all it gave me in my opinion, an infinitely richer understanding and appreciation of literature beyond what I could possibly have gained from any undergrad course.

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 No.16221

>>16204

I mainly write in my mother tongue, namely French; rather learning Latin to gain a better understanding of the language

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 No.16222

>>16202

The university is almost free in my country, my personal dilemma is more about keeping learning by myself (which I actually do quite well) or comply with a certain type of education, which may improve my writing but also imply some pernicious effects, like orienting my style to a common standard

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 No.16223

>>16219

Thanks for the recommendation, I'll take a look at it after finishing Morphology of the Folktale by V. Propp, a rather difficult but rewarding reading.

https://monoskop.org/images/f/f3/Propp_Vladimir_Morphology_of_the_Folktale_2nd_ed.pdf

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 No.16198 [Open thread]

Should it be written or typed? My handwriting is atrocious.

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 No.16201

File: 2acc13fd7596093⋯.jpg (119.11 KB,1254x1254,1:1,2acc13fd7596093f73791fa1a7….jpg)

>>16199

blow me dbag, the frog is here to stay and he demands to know about submitting manuscripts.

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 No.16203

>>16201

Not my fault you can't use a search engine.

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 No.16206

File: 82302ddf7b4872b⋯.jpg (15.31 KB,300x250,6:5,30ca2ae443b1e89df21190a311….jpg)

>>16203

I trust infinitychan more than sponsored results on googsy

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 No.16214

>>16199

At least to lmddgtfy even though ddg sucks

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 No.16216

File: bfffd21511c4898⋯.jpg (868.15 KB,900x893,900:893,1474345093927.jpg)

are there any writers here? helloooo??

rare shroomtrip pepe

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File: 509929c2aec6c67⋯.jpg (51.73 KB,440x550,4:5,440px-Te_lawrence.jpg)

 No.16099 [Open thread]

Has anyone read him? What are his best works, and what are they like?

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 No.16153

I've read the Seven Pillars of Wisdom, and I've read his translation of the Odyssey. Seven Pillars of Wisdom is a very good book, but full of inexplicable descriptions of rocks. I guess he was really into geology or something. Every new environment he enters during his journey he regales you with descriptions of the sort of rocks and sediment in the region. Otherwise it's a great book. Lawrence has fantastic prose, which is why I also really enjoy his translation of the Odyssey.

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 No.16161

File: 560488fedd756fa⋯.jpg (79.44 KB,818x511,818:511,997440604.jpg)

ummm as I understand it, Lawrence only wrote two books of his own, Seven Pillars and The Mint. I've read both, the former three or four times over the years. It's a masterpiece of English literature and also a fascinating historical narrative. The movie, Lawrence of Arabia, based on this book is an excellent flick, too.

Oddly, I hadn't noticed the focus on the geology, but then I do have a considerable interest in this field. Seven Pillars describes a journey along the Arabian coast of the Red Sea through the Hejaz Mountains (pic related), among the grandest and rugged terrain on the planet and for an Englishman accustomed to the rolling green hills speckled with sheep, it's hardly surprising they caught his eye.

The Mint is a diary of his later years when he suffered PTS (I guess they'd call it nowadays) and enlisted in the airforce under a pseudonym to escape social pressures. It's a psychological study really of a state of mind within a regimented order. Interesting, but nothing great as is Seven Pillars.

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 No.16213

>>16099

I am interested in Seven Pillars of wisdom because im from Saudi Arabia , but the book is heavy and im not used to reading books this big but i will start it some day hopefully

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 No.15331 [Open thread]

redpill me on kikecraft

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 No.16175

File: 8285800c5383816⋯.jpg (351.47 KB,942x1414,471:707,cover.jpg)

>>16173

I believe this is the case. Weird how he's always presented as some fedorafag though.

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 No.16182

>>16173

Do you happen to have a list of the books bequeathed to him? I'm interested in what Lovecraft was reading. I know he had some knowledge of theosophy based on references to it in his fiction but I'm curious what books in particular he read.

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 No.16191

When, long ago, the gods created Earth

In Jove's fair image Man was shaped at birth.

The beasts for lesser parts were next designed;

Yet were they too remote from humankind.

To fill the gap, and join the rest to Man,

Th'Olympian host conceiv'd a clever plan.

A beast they wrought, in semi-human figure,

Filled it with vice, and called the thing a Nigger.

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 No.16195

>>16175

>Weird how he's always presented as some fedorafag though.

Probably because he himself openly denied the existence of all things spiritual and occult. He more than likely never had any experiences with any occult entities. He did, however, suffer from night terrors, and he acknowledged this as a major source of inspiration for his stories. It's pretty likely that the occult books he read had an influence on his night terrors and through them on his writings.

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 No.16208

>>16195

So he was eternally tortured? Sounds like more of an advocacy for the occult than a denial of you're autistic enough (it's also a lame 2008 /b/-tier insult)

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File: 2f3672932fdca64⋯.jpg (1.7 MB,2489x4145,2489:4145,Shoppe115.jpg)

 No.16200 [Open thread]

wanna start collecting books

any recommendations?

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 No.6881 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

I've a hankering for some reading, and I know I could ask for some general advice as to what to read.

On the other hand, I thought I'd lend a hand to anyone else searching for something to read as well.

So, you've got them?

Post your infographics.

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 No.15977

Finally someone with decent taste who hasn't been inspired by Google.>>6899

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 No.16134

seconded for psychoanalysis

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 No.16157

File: fcbd2086be25457⋯.jpg (56.34 KB,498x685,498:685,1460463936599.jpg)

>most of these are jpegs

Why.

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 No.16194

>>6962

they havent learned to write yet lol

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 No.16231

>>15874

>Identity

>Not ideology

Bit of a Freudian slip there.

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File: cae49722be6ee62⋯.jpg (137.31 KB,636x898,318:449,202df933d8adaaeee394beb4df….jpg)

 No.12654 [Open thread]

>book 1

>pretty interesting anti-hero book, some nice lore building and entertaining story

>book 2

>not too bad, but the muh father shit was really annoying at times, though I appreciate wrapping up that plotline as quickly as possible instead of dragging it out over several books, also Opal Koboi is kind of entertaining as a villainess

>book 3

>probably the best of the bunch, even if Butler aging by around a decade to save his life was completely pointless and does not affect his character whatsoever in the future books

>book 4

>kills off one of the best characters in the series, Opal Koboi is back again, and is probably the last entertaining book in the series that does not go full retard

>book 5

>goes full retard with demon shit, also more unnecessary aging of characters towards the end, and some really dumb antagonists

>book 6

>possibly even more retarded than book 5, antagonists are full-on strawmen so Eoin Colfer can spend half the book forcing his hippie environmentalist leanings on you, also it has a 14-15 year-old boy make out with a 100 year-old elven dyke just in case you didn't get that the author was basically writing fanfiction at this point

>book 7

>continues the series' progression towards full retard storytelling, villain is a whiny tool, the only saving grace were the occasional moments of Artemis having a split-personality as a wannabe Don Quixote/Casanova fusion and hitting on Holly which still doesn't negate the general stupidity

>book 8

>I don't even know what the fuck was happening here, it seems like the author just threw all logic out the window and made up shit as he went along, this shit is worse than Deathly Hallows, which is fucking saying something

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 No.12698

Its been a while, but i always remeber book 5 as my favourite, although i did recognise the shift in atmosphere, i didnt mind too much. Never read book 8, 7 was kinda shit, but it might have been me growing older

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 No.13342

>>12654

Ideas lose steam if they're stretched too far.

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 No.15991

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 No.16122

I loved Artemis Fowl as a kid. I stopped reading at the global warming book, like 6 or 7.

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 No.16185

>>12654

The books never declined in quality, you just get older and slowly realized how bad they were.

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 No.16174 [Open thread]

I just got together my fucked up social life and put all my focus into it, neglecting education, at school and at home through reading and other media, while doing so. Now feel like I missed too much, so what are the best/essential books I should start with?

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 No.16178

>>16174

I'd recommend Thucydides' Peloponnesian War, Homer's Iliad and Odyssey, maybe the Aeneid. I can't make—in good conscience at least because of my focus on the ancients so far—many recommendations after that.

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 No.16180

How to Win Friends and Influence People

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File: 8458afc455fbacf⋯.jpg (27.36 KB,333x499,333:499,51bXYanhhWL._SX331_BO1,204….jpg)

 No.15953 [Open thread]

I've always been interested in understanding why some people are attracted to things like pain, particular parts of the body (feet, hands, armpits and so on), being dominated etc.

However I only know three authors that could help me understand paraphilia: Frued, De Sade and Bataille.

I haven't read any of their books yet.

Are there other authors who talk about sex and paraphilia?

What are the best books about these topics? Where should I start?

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 No.16164

File: afb415be711aebc⋯.png (620.03 KB,620x465,4:3,ClipboardImage.png)

>>15953

I havent read it yet- partly because I like reading paper books and my library is too cucked to have it in hand- but there is Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov and I hear its really good;

Humbert Humbert - scholar, aesthete and romantic - has fallen completely and utterly in love with Lolita Haze, his landlady's gum-snapping, silky skinned twelve-year-old daughter. Reluctantly agreeing to marry Mrs Haze just to be close to Lolita, Humbert suffers greatly in the pursuit of romance; but when Lo herself starts looking for attention elsewhere, he will carry her off on a desperate cross-country misadventure, all in the name of Love. Hilarious, flamboyant, heart-breaking and full of ingenious word play, Lolita is an immaculate, unforgettable masterpiece of obsession, delusion and lust.

perhaps check it out, I am planning on just buying it because everyone is too scared to share or sell it around where I live

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 No.16172

File: 251adbf92834d7a⋯.jpg (12.95 KB,300x398,150:199,sade.jpg)

Interesting thread idea, OP

Lolita is an absolutely marvelous book which couldn't be more highly recommended as a novel, but I don't know that it explores the wherefore of unorthodox sexual attraction.

In my view the ultimate place to find your answer is in de Sade's Juliette or Vice Amply Rewarded. There's gazillions of translations but most are crappy hard/soft core porn and there's only one decent English translation readily available by Austryn Wainhouse Grove Press NY 1968.

Juliette is a tale of degradation - it starts of relatively mildly and then descends by degree to depths of depravity unsurpassed. It's a big volume, but perhaps one third is "eyes out on stalks" sex scenes interleaved with "philosophy", the why what's going on is happening. It's about the process of addiction and what it does to its host, and addictions require ever higher dose levels to achieve the needed satiation. No one having read this book will ever see the world the same again.

Freud - I haven't read much other than The Interpretation of Dreams when I was a highschool boy but my memory is that it was very dry and not really for the general reader. I consider his significance to be in the way his ideas influenced sociologists, like Bernays. And I've never read Bataille. Sorry.

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File: 146f2ea41e36446⋯.jpg (2.31 MB,2448x3264,3:4,img_0335.jpg)

 No.15528 [Open thread]

25 pages in… I got no clue what the fuck I'm reading. Does it get better ?

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 No.15590

File: 9be8e95b0231070⋯.jpg (636.65 KB,1071x1068,357:356,oblivion.jpg)

>>15528

God no. It's a book you put on your shelf, read a quick wiki/cliff notes and act like you read it and snobbishly condescend those that didnt.

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 No.15605

File: aae84bfdc6bb31a⋯.png (2.34 MB,2404x1749,2404:1749,Proving_anon_sucks.png)

>>15567

English not your first language?

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 No.15606

>>15605

He's using the correlating conjunction not only, but also, and the person in the pic should have looked up "dummy it".

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 No.15607

>>15606

And I'm a retard who should have read the reply chain before posting.

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 No.16167

>>15590

based. at least someone here is honest

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File: 072cb10885b4f5f⋯.jpg (14.67 KB,300x169,300:169,1530076236717.jpg)

 No.15694 [Open thread]

share pdf copy's of your favorite books

(pic unrelated)

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 No.15747

hmmmm…I'll bite. depends on whether you want fiction or non-fiction

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 No.16165

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File: 14f7179d648ff94⋯.jpeg (2.77 MB,2160x3840,9:16,C9CBEC5B-3196-46DB-8F70-8….jpeg)

 No.15940 [Open thread]

What are some unique, creative or impactful ways suicide has been presented/revealed to us in novels?

For example, In Huxley's Brave New World, where his dangling legs represented compass needles going different directions:-)

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 No.16163

File: acd7ecdc136c49e⋯.png (3.39 MB,1920x1080,16:9,ClipboardImage.png)

>>15940

thats quite the interesting topic. Im not sure I fully understand your question but I'll try. I havent read BNW beyond the beginning when I was really young- I remember it was cool, about the tour through the factory where they made kids- but something that might be tangential to your initial inquiry is when Clayton from the Tarazan movie was shown to be hanged by the jungle shrubbery, and a flash of lightening projected onto a tree his lifeless corpse hanging by a few tree branches. I never really picked up on it as a kid, but years later I laughed at how apparent it was. I loved that movie as a child. Again, I hope I wasnt way off your original topic.

https://youtu.be/X2YVeovK9Nw

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 No.8610 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

Post the best writing you've ever read.

But at the same time I seemed to hear more than a teacher's switch as it came down upon a pupil's body. Sounds more serious and more strange intruded upon the hush of the classroom. They were faraway sounds lost in the hissing of rainy afternoon: great blades sweeping over great distances, expansive wings cutting through cold winds, long whips lashing in darkness. I heard other sounds, too, other things that were stinging the air in other places, sounds of things I heard but never give explanation. These sounds grew increasingly louder. Finally, Miss Plarr dropped her pointer and put her hands over her ears.

Miss Plarr, Thomas Ligotti

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 No.10584

>>10508

Yet it all-but invented an entire genre

Also, how in your mind does creating a mythology qualify it as "literature"?

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 No.10588

File: 1469127479659.jpg (Spoiler Image,52.32 KB,587x440,587:440,Spoilered.jpg)

>>10584

>Yet it all-but invented an entire genre

The people who came afterwards did not have an understanding of Tolkien's motive in creating what he created. They were shallow imitators flashy light shows and tricks. And I'm skeptical of "he created it" as you can trace stories about supernatural people, events, what have, to before then.

I should point out that this should qualify it as a reason for its achievement.

Another point is everything (written work) falls into some genre or another as it is simply a way of classifying written works.

>Also, how in your mind does creating a mythology qualify it as "literature"?

Oh, I don't know, perhaps, the fact that a lot of mythologies are classified as literature, e.g., Epic of Gilgamesh, Prose Edda, Poetic Edda, Mahabharata, etc., and mythologies tending to express/display the culture of the people from which it came. That is important.

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 No.14334

.

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 No.14336

>>10588

Literature and myth are completely unrelated to one another, and any mythical accounts in those works are completely unrelated to their status as literature. Else, any contrived fantasy schlock, no matter how pedestrian, would automately be "literature". If you can't understand this, there's no help for you.

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 No.16160

File: d90d72024e33797⋯.png (260.46 KB,311x445,311:445,send this to your crysh.png)

>>14336

>Literature and myth are completely unrelated to one another

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 No.12678 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

Why is this board so dead?

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 No.16108

File: f531adec2ba2176⋯.jpg (252.69 KB,800x800,1:1,demonbook51.jpg)

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 No.16117

>>16108

Why would aliens give someone's cat a beard?

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 No.16119

File: c78e16cc2edaf20⋯.jpg (10.12 KB,500x375,4:3,Or giant DEATH BALOONS WIT….jpg)

>>16117

based cat beadin aliens them's who

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 No.16154

maybe new posters will come on in

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 No.16159

File: 6a9cf94a2773ee3⋯.jpg (447.64 KB,609x900,203:300,WESTERNculturegirl.jpg)

>>16154

henlo

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I recently started reading this after finishing Muay Thai: The Art of Fighting

Are there any books about this subject that you've read and liked? Any particular style should you enjoy reading about?

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 No.16074

sorry /lit/ is not normally /fit/ OP

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 No.16156

File: cd964e8cba1fdc9⋯.pdf (13.84 MB,Bruce Lee - The Art Of Exp….pdf)

I haven't read this one but it's on my list. Seems interesting.

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