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Excelsior!

Sister site: [Fan-fiction]

File: 9d0cbd5fefc544d⋯.gif (2 MB,341x321,341:321,What have i just read.gif)

 No.15955 [Open thread]

I'm talking all kinds of tools - from just writing to proofreading and organization.

I hear good things about grammary but haven't tried it yet.

Also, a program called Campfire that helps with writing books/novels, since it has maps, timelines, characters, encyclopedia, character arc and such to help keep things neat, organized and visualized. The installer is 200MB, kinda big for a program that just organizes text and images.

So yes, I'm writing a novel and am looking for anything that can help improve the process.

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 No.15957

>>15956

That's not a helpful answer.

You'd think /lit/ would be filled with classy, well-read and helpful people.

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 No.15961

>>15957

Laconic though it be, it ain't wrong.

>>15955

Depends on the kind of writer you are. Outliner writers may consider all those tools a godsend. Discovery writers find it constraining. I favor Michael Crichton's take on computer aided whatever software. At best it may aid you, but it may not do even that. What software cannot do is to do the writing for you.

"Books aren't written - they're rewritten. Including your own. It is one of the hardest things to accept, especially after the seventh rewrite hasn't quite done it." –Michael Crichton

From an organizational standpoint, one of my favorite writing anecdotes was from Gore Vidal on his last successful attempt to write a murder mystery. "Halfway through the last one I forgot who the murderer was and had to find a substitute." It worked for him. So much for organization.

I would suggest you learn a bit about typesetting or, in today's world, web page design. The point is not to become a typesetter. The point is to learn what you should not be spending time on. Writing is not typesetting.

Grammar checkers won't teach you grammar. The traditional fuckup detector is to pay someone else to look at your writing, or being blessed with a professional editor. Leaving your work sit for a month and coming back to give it a read can do wonders in a pinch.

I use Emacs. As an all encompassing monster of feature bloat on par with Microsoft Office it will try very hard to get in your way of writing. A blank page, cut, paste, spellcheck, and file save. That's the whole of the feature set I use from Emacs. To be fair, one may successfully use this method with any word processor. I like having a Mediawiki installation available as well. What organization I may apply (character notes, plot outline, reference artwork, etc) fits the wiki model. I also use an online grammar checker as a finished productPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.15962

>>15955

Zettelkasten. It's an idea incubation chamber.

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 No.15963

>>15957

You don’t come here often, do you?

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 No.15965

>>15961

I am quite aware, I often end up re-writing a single chapter or part several times and still think is sucks.

But rather than have all these thing in a hunderd documents over a dozen windows, it would be more efficient to use a tool that helps with that.

As you say your time should be spent WISELY, and wasting time because I have to shuffle trough a dozen documents to a find a name of a character is quite simply bad.

This is partially why I was asking. Campfire looks OK, but I don't want to shell out 50$ if there are better tools out there.

Basically this:

https://www.campfiretechnology.com/features.html

(no, I'm not a shill, just want to ask if there is something similar you guys are aware of)

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 No.15964 [Open thread]

Post about stuff that pisses you off

I can't stop my autist rage. Whenever I mention reading books to people they inevitably start talking about how they used to read a lot but don't read a lot nowadays. I don't fucking care, pick up some Chekhov. Or don't, just leave me alone and stop trying to #relate to everything I do.

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 No.15966

>>15964

This isn't /b/.

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 No.16001

>People try to make conversation and are interested enough in you to try and relate to one of your

>"wtf poser fags fuck off"

Imagine being this autistic

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 No.16002

>>16001

Interests*

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 No.15952 [Open thread]

Hi Anons. Is there some website / dark hole that contains 8chan (/lit/ in particular) archives? Not the integrated beta feature. Too incomplete.

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 No.15954

Regarding 8chan, I've heard rumors of various people running archives at various times and places. I say rumor as I've not had any interest in them.

Regarding 8chan /lit/ specifically, the board staff/BO were not aware of any.

There are a handful of threads manually saved that were of interest to the current BO. That is hardly an archive though.

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File: 37d112fb400724b⋯.jpg (58.43 KB,645x774,5:6,1483547033599.jpg)

 No.15890 [Open thread]

I want to read more than I currently do but it get so boring so quickly.

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 No.15891

You are reading shit books, you have a shit taste and your attention span is comparable to that of a toddler's from overexposure to electronic entertainment.

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 No.15892

>>15890

My problem is that I conditioned myself to read before going to bed, so I get tired every time I open a book.

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 No.15932

File: 39a345b82ae9513⋯.jpg (26.95 KB,333x499,333:499,shallows.jpg)

>>15890

>>15891

Pic related argues that computers train us to multitask at the expense of our ability to concentrate deeply. It might interest you.

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 No.15933

File: 83d9c29e6b4b679⋯.png (464.07 KB,632x705,632:705,image.png)

>>15932

Concentration is dead and introspection is on life-support.

Dont try to be serious, factual or relevant, and of course do not read the ancients or try to be a better man, if you do you are worst than hitler.

t. modern era and beyond

I

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File: 14d0c2359fabe26⋯.png (193.59 KB,300x338,150:169,bestgirl.png)

 No.15343 [Open thread]

OFFICIAL BARSOOM WAIFU RANKINGS

1. Tavia

2. Phaidor, Daughter of Matai Shang, Holy Hekkador of the Holy Therns

3. Thuvia of Ptarth

4. Tara of Helium

5. Zanda

6. Valla Dia

7. Sola the Thark

8. Janai

POWER GAP

9. Sanoma Tora

10. Issus

11. Xaxa

POWER GAP

12. Dejah Thoris

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 No.15346

Serious question: did the guys use some sort of straps to keep their dicks from comically flopping around in the low gravity?

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 No.15349

>>15346

All that's really specified about clothing is that everyone wore skimpy metal harnesses. I always imagined that the harness at least covered up the genitalia.

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 No.15889

Why the FUCK does worst girl always win bros?

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 No.15931

The mars series is for preteen boys.

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 No.15038 [Open thread]

WHERE MY TRADITIONALIST NIGGAS AT?

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 No.15922

>>15920

yea just take a step back into this oven

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 No.15923

>>15920

Sorry dude but since you're a gay jewish pedophile no matter what the picture will still have that addition, it's best to kill yourself now and save the picture's integrity.

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 No.16882

File: a09a2a2928d9eaf⋯.jpg (33.33 KB,324x500,81:125,51QOFCqyeIL_SL500_.jpg)

>>15038

Ready.

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 No.16968

Heydar Jemal

Read this

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 No.17005

>>15038

>WHERE MY TRADITIONALIST NIGGAS AT?

WITNESSIN THERES NO GOD WORTHY OF WORSHIP BUT ALLAH, AND MUHAMMED IS HIS MESSENGER

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 No.15870 [Open thread]

My dog died. I'm spiraling in existential crisis that our mind is tied to our brain's death. I need texts for a confirmation bias of continuing on conciousness to help me cope. Something that will confirm there is more to existence after death. I'm looking for babby tier books to understand dualism, or anything transcendental. Something with intelligence. No 'The 'Alchemist' bullshit. Is dualism philosophy? Many of the terms, I dont understand. Any other analytical subjects that will help my heart ache is welcome as well. Thanks /lit/.

I loved that dog more than anything. She was 2 years old.

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 No.15871

>>15870

>I need texts for a confirmation bias of continuing on conciousness to help me cope

There is none. What you need are stuff pulled out of the asses of drugged up hippies from thousand of years ago.

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 No.15873

>>15871

How is that any different from being interested in and reading anything else?

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 No.15913

>>15871

So the conclusion is physicalism?

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 No.15959

>>15870

I feel for you. My own dog died (brain cancer, had him put to sleep. Needed two injections becasue he was an DAMN tough poodle that survived a rotweiler biting off half it's back like it was nothing. The vet was astounded).

Looks like a nice pupper too.

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 No.15717 [Open thread]

Redpill me on the Kama Sutra by Vatsyayana.

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 No.15882

Unironically useful

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 No.15902

>>15717

I own this one and it's really not that useful. Most of it is about Indian culture and mating rituals of the time; There is even a long segment on puppet theater and how to play with puppets in it and stuff like (women from this city love to be scratched, women from here don't, etc.) The sex part is okay but you need to wade through a ton of useless shit to get to it.

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 No.15654 [Open thread]

what are some books that you REALLY want to read but can't find anywhere due to any reason whatsoever?

For me it's Milkbottle H by Gil Orlovitz

>American publishers weren’t interested in Orlovitz’s work, as either poet or novelist. Despite decades of productivity as a poet no major U.S. house had published any of his work. It’s no surprise that Milkbottle H was rejected wholesale in the U.S. after years of circulating among publishers

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 No.15656

It's literally on Amazon dude.

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 No.15886

>>15654

Blood Passover by Ariel Toaff, 100 Years Together by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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 No.15887

>>15654

Sun and Steel by Yukio Mishima, there are copies available but they're expensive af, don't seem to be too many reprints either, the book must have ceased publication after, uhhh, the incident.

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 No.15702 [Open thread]

>Defining ‘Hard’ SF is a bit difficult. If we use the Millerian definition (scientific or technical accuracy and detail), it won’t hold water. The reason is not all sciences are equal in SF. In my experience, fictional works that focus on physics, astronomy, mathematics, engineering and (to a lesser extent) chemistry tend to be filed as ‘Hard,’ especially if there is an exploratory or militaristic aspect. The further the extrapolation of the science from what is known, the more likely the story will be classed as ‘soft.’ On the other hand, those that Jeff VanderMeer jokingly refers to as ‘squishy’ sciences like botany, mycology, zoology, etc. tend to be classed as soft SF along with the social sciences like anthropology, psychology, etc. Medicine can fall either way, depending on the actual narrative.

>That the definitions are problematic becomes obvious immediately. I find the terms intellectually uninteresting because they assume that social sciences use less rigor, which I know to be untrue. My background is in medicine and anthropology, and I have seen both sides.

>There may be other elements to the definitions. There may be a pejorative flavor to being designated ‘soft’. There may be some gender bias, although I have seen this in discussions, and not in print. Take a lot of the work of Ursula Le Guin. Many would not class her SF as ‘Hard’ despite her clear understanding of anthropology and psychology. The exploration of cultures should not take a back seat to the exploration of the solar system. Take Frankenstein, which is often regarded as the first science fiction novel. Few would regard it as Hard SF, yet it used contemporary scientific beliefs. At the time the novel was set, galvanism was a big thing. Reanimation was not thought to be impossible. The Royal Humane Society in England started with reanimation of the dead at its core, and its motto is a small spark may perhaps lie hid.

>At the root of the Hard-Soft divide is a kind of “I scienced more than you” attitude, which is unnecessary. There are fans of all flavours of SF and the last thing we need is to focus on divisions that were introduced in the late 1950s.

Do you agree with these sentiments? Curious to know what /lit/ thinks about this debate

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 No.15706

>>15705

If it’s*

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 No.15707

>>15705

if it dosnt push the boundaries of what we know it isnt science fiction

the further it pushes them, the "softer" it is (not that this is necessarily a bad thing as >>15704 points out)

still, lets put arguing about definitions aside, genetic engineering stories, which are wholly about living things, fit both of our definitions and prove the man OP is quoting wrong

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 No.15709

Science fiction is just science themed fantasy. Any definition beyond that is pointless neckbeard semantics that get nowhere.

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 No.15712

The distinction isn't specific to Australian Pandemics. Peace allows knowledge; war replaces it with culture.

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 No.15880

>>15707

By our definitions do you mean the definitions quoted in OP or?

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 No.15603 [Open thread]

Share the best books you have read or that were new in 2018. I share this list:

https://howaboutthat.site/best-20-books-of-2018-amazon/

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 No.15782

>>15603

Asymmetry was pretty good

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 No.15872

Revelator?

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 No.10049 [Open thread]

what does /lit/ think of audiobooks? is listening to a narration of a book as legitimate as reading it yourself in text form?

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 No.15860

File: bb77baf38704b92⋯.webm (14.59 MB,320x240,4:3,H.P. Lovecraft - The Call….webm)

Old thread, but the board is too slow to justify making a new one just for this.

I've been experimenting with encoding audiobooks as WebM files and the results are decent. With the right settings, I can get about 90 minutes of audio in. I don't see any practical use for it outside of imageboards, but maybe one of you will find it useful.

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 No.15861

File: 8840f8c7a4eadca⋯.webm (11.16 MB,320x240,4:3,George R.R. Martin - The ….webm)

And here's an example of a story I had to split.

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 No.15862

File: c3399a01ca417af⋯.webm (9.14 MB,320x240,4:3,George R.R. Martin - The ….webm)

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 No.15863

>>11201

True, but audiobooks are very convenient.

For instance, I might not have liked The Master and Margarita as much if I hadn't listened to the audiobook because the narrator did a great job of keeping me interested.

On the other hand, when I listened to the The Magic Mountain audiobook, it felt like it didn't do justice to how good the content of the novel actually was. Because the story was excellent.

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 No.15865

File: d55210ec853bcd2⋯.webm (15.64 MB,320x240,4:3,Harlan Ellison - A Boy an….webm)

Here's one read by the author himself. I could have made it a bit smaller, but IMO it wasn't worth it for how much worse the music would have sounded.

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 No.9619 [Open thread]

What writers capture a good sense of insanity in their prose?

What stories does /lit/ recommend that convey insanity?

Can you remember any passages you liked with characters going or acting utterly mad?

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 No.15749

Georges Bataille was a sick fuck, sort of the Left version of Lovecraft's Right.

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 No.15807

Derrida

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 No.15808

It would be interesting to have a story where the characters are slowly driven insane by using the power of a cosmic horror. I'm thinking of a combination of some of Lovecraft's stuff and Getter Robo. Especially the New Getter Robo anime.

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 No.15837

File: 4db11f5d4fc1495⋯.jpg (1.1 MB,1697x2599,1697:2599,Surreal_literature.jpg)

>>9619

a lot of surrealist lit tackles this issue, you should look into that.

from the chart i'd definitely recommend maldoror, the whole book consists of vignettes written by a misanthropic madman.

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 No.15852

>>9619

Artuad not even a question

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 No.15260 [Open thread]

Time to go into the dark

where the night has eyes

to recognize its own.

There you can be sure

you are not beyond love.

The dark will be your womb

tonight.

The night will give you a horizon

further than you can see.

You must learn one thing.

The world was made to be free in

Give up all the other worlds

except the one to which you belong.

Sometimes it takes darkness and the sweet

confinement of your aloneness

to learn

anything or anyone

that does not bring you alive

is too small for you.

– “Sweet Darkness” by David Whyte

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 No.15846

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 No.15848

Ambition by Robert E Howard

Build me a gibbet against the sky,

Solid and strong and long miles high,

Let me hang where the high winds blow

That never stoop to the world below,

And the great clouds lumber by.

Let the people who toil below

See me swaying to and fro,

See me swinging the aeons through,

A dancing dot in the distant blue.

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 No.15850

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 No.12774 [Open thread]

What books have you reread the most often?

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 No.14397

>>14384

Thanks, I was considering reading The Brothers Lionheart.

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 No.15671

I’ve reread If on a Winter’s Night a Traveler three or four times now. I’m thinking I’ll come back to it either in the fall or next spring.

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 No.15677

>>12774

>implying I read them the first time

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 No.15829

>>13085

>whereas its absurdist qualities to my mind detracted from its meaning

pleb

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 No.15836

>>12774

I have so many books now, and I'm such a slow reader, that I don't have time to reread anything.

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