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 No.15702

>Defining ‘Hard’ SF is a bit difficult. If we use the Millerian definition (scientific or technical accuracy and detail), it won’t hold water. The reason is not all sciences are equal in SF. In my experience, fictional works that focus on physics, astronomy, mathematics, engineering and (to a lesser extent) chemistry tend to be filed as ‘Hard,’ especially if there is an exploratory or militaristic aspect. The further the extrapolation of the science from what is known, the more likely the story will be classed as ‘soft.’ On the other hand, those that Jeff VanderMeer jokingly refers to as ‘squishy’ sciences like botany, mycology, zoology, etc. tend to be classed as soft SF along with the social sciences like anthropology, psychology, etc. Medicine can fall either way, depending on the actual narrative.

>That the definitions are problematic becomes obvious immediately. I find the terms intellectually uninteresting because they assume that social sciences use less rigor, which I know to be untrue. My background is in medicine and anthropology, and I have seen both sides.

>There may be other elements to the definitions. There may be a pejorative flavor to being designated ‘soft’. There may be some gender bias, although I have seen this in discussions, and not in print. Take a lot of the work of Ursula Le Guin. Many would not class her SF as ‘Hard’ despite her clear understanding of anthropology and psychology. The exploration of cultures should not take a back seat to the exploration of the solar system. Take Frankenstein, which is often regarded as the first science fiction novel. Few would regard it as Hard SF, yet it used contemporary scientific beliefs. At the time the novel was set, galvanism was a big thing. Reanimation was not thought to be impossible. The Royal Humane Society in England started with reanimation of the dead at its core, and its motto is a small spark may perhaps lie hid.

>At the root of the Hard-Soft divide is a kind of “I scienced more than you” attitude, which is unnecessary. There are fans of all flavours of SF and the last thing we need is to focus on divisions that were introduced in the late 1950s.

Do you agree with these sentiments? Curious to know what /lit/ thinks about this debate

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 No.15703

this guy is just being gay for the sake of it, there is lots of hard scifi that pushes the boundaries of what we know of living things

anything that goes into the detail of an alien species biology, any first contanct, anything that plays with classifications

in addition to ayy lmaos there is also things of our own creation, reviving dinosaurs, genetically altered x, improving humans

and yet still, are the stories that have fun guessing what nature will create from whats here on this rock and any sort of "speculative evolution"

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 No.15704

I certainly do. Anyone that refers to “soft science fiction” in a pejorative manner is a brainlet.

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 No.15705

>>15703

By some people’s metric though that would qualify as soft science fiction because it’s so beyond the realm of current conceptions that it’s fantasy, even it’s founded from a realistic foundation along that continuum. Ultimately I think it’s a completely meaningless distinction that should be done away with in sf related discussions.

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 No.15706

>>15705

If it’s*

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 No.15707

>>15705

if it dosnt push the boundaries of what we know it isnt science fiction

the further it pushes them, the "softer" it is (not that this is necessarily a bad thing as >>15704 points out)

still, lets put arguing about definitions aside, genetic engineering stories, which are wholly about living things, fit both of our definitions and prove the man OP is quoting wrong

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 No.15709

Science fiction is just science themed fantasy. Any definition beyond that is pointless neckbeard semantics that get nowhere.

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 No.15712

The distinction isn't specific to Australian Pandemics. Peace allows knowledge; war replaces it with culture.

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 No.15880

>>15707

By our definitions do you mean the definitions quoted in OP or?

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