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Excelsior!

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File: 2412999f438d2f1⋯.jpg (296.38 KB,2164x1612,541:403,Lit Rankings.jpg)

 No.11913 [Open thread]

Do any of you have a way of ranking literature?

That is, do consider certain genres and styles of writing better than others?

Pic related is what I'd consider my ranking system, although it's very rough and still a work in progress. Feel free to edit it in ways you think are better and share your own personal rankings when you approach literature of any kind.

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 No.13753

>>11913

>horror is towards the top of the pyramid

Well, at least you're reading.

Have you finished your homework champ?

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 No.16431

>>13753 >>11913

horror is good when done right, but most "good" horror authors are doing tons of cookie cutter copy paste shit over and over again *cough* stephen king *cough* then it just doesnt feel special anymore, now its all the same, might as well read slice of life

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 No.16437

>>13330

Holy shit you are retarded

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 No.16463

believing in genres already puts you on the bottom floor of this pyramid

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 No.16467

>very good books

>good books

>ok books

>bad books

>shit books

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File: 3c44cca3e05bed2⋯.jpg (112.49 KB,1141x790,1141:790,Untitled.jpg)

 No.16454 [Open thread]

Who is the greatest writers of history par respective language sprachsbund

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 No.16459

Shakespeak was duech?

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File: d592fd521a0370f⋯.png (7.35 MB,3000x1938,500:323,050FC50C-CE7D-4626-A35A-A9….png)

 No.15941 [Open thread]

"a great book, tremendous read and trust me, I know good books”

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 No.15949

An amusing shoop.

Tarrant's missive is weirdly ironic, an argument in favor of immigration control that might provoke a reinterpretation in light of his acts. An "Australians go home!" backlash movement maybe?

His writing style speaks of a lack of maturity though not lacking in some self reflection. While remaining hopeful of an extensive global impact, he all but acknowledges his likely fate as a Charles Manson phenomenon: lingering, yet to be largely forgotten. Admitting to being a waste of time for a higher educational setting is nice, but the same could be said of his attempt at a grand tour with the world as his school. Having gained some appreciation of other lands and peoples is worthy of praise, yet he appears to have remained disconnected from them. He is content to substitute an eclectic grab bag of superficial obsessions with foreign events for understanding.

In short, he's no William T. Vollmann.

No need to skim the entire. If one can track down a copy (it should be everywhere by now) the gist of the whole can be had with just the first half. Weighing in at 74 pages (of mostly empty space) that first half makes for a five to ten minute read.

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 No.15951

>>15946

Definitely the latter. It's the quintessence of nu/pol/

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 No.15970

>>15946

It isn't even 100 pages. Just read it for yourself.

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 No.16430

you can read the thing in 2 hours>>15946

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 No.16436

Does it name the jew?

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File: 66bfde936b4f597⋯.png (395.45 KB,1280x720,16:9,Screenshot_20190504-135424.png)

 No.16184 [Open thread]

When are you going to write a book about Elliot Rodger?

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 No.16193

He ain't notable enough for a simple biography.

His manifesto would be cut in half by any semi-professional editor. I suspect it could be usefully reduced to a third in size.

The major lesson here is about mental heath and societal support systems. Alienation? Social isolation? Pain of rejection? All cliche. Walk into any homeless shelter and listen. It's all there. His story ain't nothing unique. People who identify with what he has to say willfully overlook key parts to his story in favor of his poorly articulated rage dump. The key parts aren't missing. Many an article, blog post, and essay thoroughly covered all the facets.

Desire you an expose of a self destructive life with keen observations on the nature of society and all its imposing faults, well exposed, and well said? Study Bukowski. Study John Horne Burns. Misfits from two ends of the social scale make for an enlightening comparison.

Finally, who would be the market for such a book? Our tiny niche of people most interested are also those most able to scan and file-share. That's assuming, by some miracle, a deal could be made to land copies on the dead tree graveyard of brick and mortar bookshelves. Not much left over for an ambitious counter cultural writer to live on even if money should change hands for every ebook read.

No thanks. I'll stick to writing made to order erotica.

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 No.16209

>>16193

Society doesn't care about men since ever

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 No.16211

I fulle agree with some opinions here. Who would be the market for such a book? Anyway if you gonna write such a book here some tips https://edusson.com/speech-writing-service for "young writers" :D By the way I am not sure there are a lot of people who really know about Elliot Rodger..

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 No.16215

who is that?

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 No.16429

mumkey jones wrote a diary of a wimpy kid parody of his manifesto, its like if his manifesto was like a diary of a wimpy kid book, look it up

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File: 7cd8787ecb03894⋯.jpg (1.23 MB,1500x1873,1500:1873,ErnestHemingway.jpg)

 No.13442 [Open thread]

Is Hemingway worth getting into? I read Old Man and the Sea back in high school but didn't really get a whole lot out of it. Where's a good place to get started with this faget?

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 No.13577

>>13442

How as Old Man and the Sea? My dad talks about it a lot and makes it sound pretty decent.

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 No.13583

>>13442

Read For Whom the Bell Tolls first. It's a classic tale of war. Then read A Farewell to Arms. Then read all his short stories, especially the Nick Adams tales but the collection The Snows of Kilimanjaro is excellent. Then go back and read The Old Man and The Sea.

That is the essential Hemingway in my recommended order. He is a maestro of action, of spare description and of understated honor.

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 No.13585

>>13442

>Is Hemingway worth getting into?

No.

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 No.16413

>>13577

It's pretty good. Read it once in school, then read it again while I went boating, for the sake of immersion. Classic man vs. nature story.

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 No.16428

>>13442

old man in the sea is mediocre, i haven't read any of his other books, and i do not plan on reading them

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 No.16298 [Open thread]

I'm looking for a book that guides you on how to survive the galaxy or even just earth. It would be really cool to find a mans guide to earth or the galaxy.

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 No.16422

meditations

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 No.16418 [Open thread]

Remember reading a book, but forgot its name? Was there a story that was described to you, but never got its name?

This thread can also double as a share thread for any rediscovered books.

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File: 9b1a05359efcd9b⋯.jpg (14.55 KB,516x480,43:40,36850612_1054048524754283_….jpg)

 No.16410 [Open thread]

is there anything, left/right/authoritarian/libertarian/dystopian/utopian out there I can read? I read 1984 as a kid and wasn't a big fan, and we all know Brave New World, but what else is out there.

also, no Tom Clancy shit, I want something dark at least, a series would be nice

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 No.9273 [Open thread]

Post your love for sci-fi and any books you want to attach for others to read.

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 No.15983

>>9278

Best classification guide I've come across is that science fiction portrays futures/worlds that are improbable, but possible. Fantasy portrays impossible worlds: so C. S. Lewis's Space Trilogy, although ostensibly sci-fi, is most definitely fantasy because they portray breathable atmospheres on Mars and Venus.

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 No.15984

>>9550

You should check out Iain M. Banks. His writing can be a bit clunky, but there are some good stories among his Culture works.

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 No.16280

File: 3b53ad9dd849a15⋯.jpg (1.26 MB,3333x4961,303:451,Tut and Alien stage 2.jpg)

Kill Tut by Max Wannow

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 No.16408

John Norman's Gor series has been a recent discovery of mine

>inb4 'incel' comments

the usuals, Phillip K. Dick, Isaac Asimov, Harlan Ellison (despite him being a prickly kike), Ray Bradbury, etc

never checked out Orson Scott Card, but I hear soys are boycotting him for hating on queers. his adaptations seem to be popular. I dunno is he fluff?

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 No.16409

>>9550

Asimov as far as jews go, is more tolerable than Ellison, I heard that dude went through friends like women go through tampons.

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 No.15832 [Open thread]

Book clubs never work!

Why this is going to work

I'm seen book clubs started on different boards and they always fail, which is why I created a reading club instead. No one wants to read a whole book of questionable interest every week, and no one can blame anons for not wanting to. My solution for this is to focus on short stories and novellas, so that plenty of anons have the time and will to finish.

You need more material to talk about than that

Thats a valid point and will be taken into consideration. If it proves to be true my plan is to include multiple shorts by the same author, so that we can discus him as well. This will allow anons who don't want to read a whole novel to participate, while still allowing a depth of conversation.

==The White People== =

by Arthur Mache

E. F. Bleiler wrote that the narrative in the Green Book "is probably the finest single supernatural story of the century, perhaps in the literature", and Michael Dirda has stated: "If I were to list the greatest supernatural short stories of all time, I would start with Arthur Machen’s 'The White People,' about a young girl’s unknowing initiation into an ancient, otherworldly cult." S. T. Joshi has called the diary "a masterpiece of indirection, a Lovecraft plot told by James Joyce", and H. P. Lovecraft himself wrote that "Machen's narrative, a triumph of skilful selectiveness and restraint, accumulates enormous power as it flows on in a stream of innocent childish prattle". I copied this off of Wikipedia, since I don't want to give away to much. I'm going to read it again before I write what I think.

RULES

Use spoilers if what you say requires them.

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 No.15924

>>15832

thanks anon! ill probably finish by tomorrow or so. my problem with book clubs is that i never have the money to buy each and every book and theres no library nearby

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 No.16015

I liked the dialogue at the start. It sells the theme of the story fairly well. The two characters – the curio and his intrigued companion – are a lot like Holmes and Watson.

It's quite a chore to read through the contents of the green book. It is after all designed to disorient the reader, and in the story, hide the girl's secrets. Later I reread it and the various fairy tales she meanders off into show similarities with the behavior of the girl and the nurse.

I found the ending unsatisfying. The character at the start who was so talkative before is now tight lipped; he knows the statue is involved, that it acts similar to (or is) alchemy, and thinks it's dangerous enough to destroy – but he won't say why. It would have been less annoying to me if he had only heard the girl died in front of the statue.

If I've grasped this right: the nurse is the white woman she first saw at the pond with the man who followed them (both cultists); the cultists all die sudden deaths (possibly due to the [figurative?] wine and bread); they are extraordinarily happy in immaterial ways but can't go back to a normal life; outsiders have died because of the cult and they've been persecuted/killed for this.

Other things: I don't know if the white faces and their language have any significance. I also don't know the bible very well so I'm not sure what the blindfold, when approaching the statue a second time, is a reference to. It's also not clear to me if she literally poisoned herself or if it's figurative.

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 No.16288

File: eddf9d8c98e33f3⋯.pdf (137.43 KB,UNTITLED #1.pdf)

FUCK JON PAUL SOT AND FUCK DISCORD TRANNIES

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 No.16359

>>16015

I agree, the moral discussion at the beginning set a tone that was heavy on philosophy and that's something that I enjoyed. It really gave way to the wrongness that supposedly would be perpetrated later in order to "truly sin". I thought reading through the girls thoughts was fine. the run on sentences were clearly for effect, to give it a rushed and somewhat naive feel. I think that I missed some references in the story, there was a reference to Adam and Eve late in the story that I'm assuming was comparing them to the white peoples introduction. I also wonder if white people has any racial connotation. It didn't seem so from the story but those kinds of things can be easy to miss. Overall I found it to be of high quality but more generally unsettling then frightening or dreadful.

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 No.16393

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File: 6c7b56ade49bdf7⋯.jpg (183.5 KB,1080x1080,1:1,owbef.jpg)

 No.15926 [Open thread]

Recommend some good apathetic /lit/?

Something good so that if my eyes gloss over the words I'll get it. It's become my sole mode of reading now. I find I like urban apathetic; I'm open to other apathies, too.

English or German. I've already read Naked Lunch, American Psycho, and a handful of Bukowski. and I want to diversify to other authors before reading more of Bukowski et al.'s works.

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 No.15927

>Bukowski

You won't go too far wrong with one of Bukowski's recommendations. Check out some of Louis-Ferdinand Céline's novels.

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 No.16388

>>15926

The Stranger by Camus

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 No.16390

File: 7a1965298a574cb⋯.jpeg (17.58 KB,678x452,3:2,images (1).jpeg)

Maybe you should try Houllebecq.

He writes about apathic old men who witness their dying society dwelving into vice and introspection. My only two problems with him is that sometimes he exagerates with the amount of sex and explicit descriptions (as a 24 yo I don't have half the libido and stamina of his 50 something protagonists) and, sometimes, he is a bit repetitive. But in general he delivers some very interesting reflexions about our modern society plus interesting depressive male characters who have achieved some sucess or prestige in their fields.

I've read Submission, where, besides what I've just described, he talks about how Islam can be seductive to european men and many interesting things about medieval literature. Elementary Particles, where he talks about mother-son relationship and what happened to old hippies and their offspring. And Plataform, which deals with sexual tourism (in a surprisingly positive way) and violence.

Plataform was the weakest of the three, but it was interesting to compare it with Submission, because it was written at the beginning of the century and it had a very different view of how Islam would develop itself throughout the world in the next decades: in the book one of the characters says that Islam wouldn't last because it was incompatible with the hedonist life style spreading in the world. It's not focused on Islam, though.

I am waiting for Seratonin to be released in my country this month.

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 No.16316 [Open thread]

I'm currently reading "The Blank Slate: A Modern Denial of Human Nature" from Steven Pinker.

It was published on 2002, so is it still worth reading today? Is it scientifically dated? Any better book on human genetic/biological determinsm of human nature, race realism etc?

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 No.16368

>>16340

Fuck bagel and his ubergeist.

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 No.16369

>>16316

>needing a book to acknoledge what anyone can see with its bare eyes

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 No.16371

>>16317

>he despises Hegel

That's not a reason to call him an idiot.

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 No.16372

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 No.16383

>>16371

Good as any

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File: 235c3ccc9f24069⋯.jpg (21.41 KB,220x334,110:167,August.jpg)

 No.16381 [Open thread]

Life is Hell for most, Purgatory for some, Heaven for none.

This man's works are great. They thoroughly go over the bleaker aspects of our existence. Anyone heard of him? Thoughts?

also check out my board >>>/blucaf/

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 No.16416

>>16381

what books would you recommend?

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File: d34ffc5fe084121⋯.jpg (132.89 KB,736x981,736:981,dowsssnload.jpg)

 No.16379 [Open thread]

For any of you faggots who are interested in pointless, escapist fiction. i created a board just for you. shit post about your cringy series all you want.

https://8ch.net/sffg/index.html

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 No.16380

>>16379

Why? There isn't even enough activity on here for a scifi thread.

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File: 46a76869b1f8bd7⋯.jpg (174.31 KB,500x444,125:111,1519806088541.jpg)

 No.16314 [Open thread]

https://pastebin.com/twkVs3r0

Anyone wanna give feedback on my creative writing?

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 No.16391

>>16389

Why what?

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 No.16397

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 No.16400

>>16397

Are you asking me why the protagonist is gay or why I am not?

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 No.16405

>>16314

>gay fan-fiction with tween level prose and sub-par story

>posts a pen-name (or real name)

Oh shit nigga, what the fuck are you doing.

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 No.16407

>>16405

It's just a story I never said it's Shakespeare

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