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 No.14908 [Open thread]

>buy book

>never read it

who else /devilish/ here

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 No.16137

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>>14908

>get drunk and buy books online

>don't read any of them

>still get a smile when they arrive in the mail

>do it again

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 No.16138

Isn't this exactly like when /v/ buys a game they never play, so they're essentially giving money for technically little return?

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 No.16141

>>16138

The return is you get to post in this thread and be /devilish/. That's good enough.

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 No.16149

>>16141

Isn't it more angelic that you gave someone a sale without actually putting what you bought to use?

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 No.16150

>>16149

Not if we're talking about being fiscally responsible.

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 No.16023 [Open thread]

Has anyone read this trilogy of novels by Cronin? Just watched the 10 episode season but I found out that Amy Bellafonte isn't a 14 year old black girl, she's a 10 year old white girl, so I'd like to get to know that Amy too.

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 No.16042

Is it a cancelled show or is this one of those affirmative action things that'll keep on chugging despite all odds.

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 No.16135

>14yo black girl instead of 10yo white girl

disgusting

dropped before even picking up

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 No.16110 [Open thread]

this bad boy got a legion d'honneur today

what did u do?

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 No.16026 [Open thread]

Did a relevant philosophical background is necessary to consider a fiction as a good piece of literature?

Russian author's example for affirmative answer: Dostoevsky, his novels are full of existentialism interrogations judiciously incarnated by his characters.

Another Russian author's example for negative answer: Nabokov, his novels have an excellent style of prose and many appealing themes, but they are not particularly challenging on a philosophical level.

On the French side, it's kind of the same thing that differenciates Sarte from Celine, for example.

So, what's your opinion on that question?

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 No.16030

Fuck, sorry for the grammar error in the subject, severe insomnia is the cause.

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 No.16033

File: 87b460765a8125f⋯.jpg (369.73 KB,1200x1440,5:6,allegorical vs genre.jpg)

if someone has a genuine attitude to the really important question like death, love, family, it doesnt matter if he outlines in idealistic concepts or writes spontaneously. both approaches can have degenerate outcomes if the author has only superficially cultivated his philosophic side. a weak idealist will look too allegorical and stilted. and a weak genre artist might end up with an apotheosis of banalities, instead of a warm, lively picture.

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 No.16088

Philosophy is essential to fiction. Author’s philosophical impulses is very important part for writing in general. Very often I have come across such situations where the analysis of the idea of the author of a work is necessary in order to understand his true philosophical intentions. PapersOwl was also important part for custom essay writing, especially for me and for my essay on the topic of "author’s philosophical impulses"

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 No.16098

On some level philosophy is needed to make a clever piece of art and understand how to make it.

However a story does not need philosophy.

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 No.16101

fiction is born of philosophy

great art is created through either expression of insight or exploration of concepts, and is magnified by technical skill

this is why modern art appears so vacuous; hubris defines it, just as it defines modern philosophy

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 No.16079 [Open thread]

Which books of Agatha Christie that do not belong to any particular series, would you consider a detective story? I am asking because after finishing Poirot and Miss Marple series I moved on to "independent" books and I already disliked the first two books (chronologically), The Man in the Brown Suit and The Secret of Chimneys (although the latter was decidedly better).

I would consider those two as more of an adventure/light thriller stories. They are way too "action"-packed and I don't believe that these books are Christie's forte.

Are any of the books outside of any particular series a detective story instead of thriller? By "detective story" I mean a story like the books from Poirot or Miss Marple series.

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 No.13178 [Open thread]

Hello /lit/.

I am not a very well read man, i've barely read a couple of books; so you could say I'm very ignorant. I'm smart in that I can pick up on things easily but that's about it.

I'm 20something and I feel "insufficient" in the intellectual department. I know I should have read stuff like Plato, kant, Smith, heidegger and shit like that by now, but the problem is that I don't know where to begin.

How do I gain the philosophical foundation and 20th-21st century knowledge I need to be an above-average wise man who has a better understanding of the world around him? Which books and in what order should I read them? How can I stick to a reading plan that doesn't disrupt vydia+work time too much and is considered consistent and effective?

Which magazines or sites you read to stay up to date with geopolitics in a way beyond basic bitch pundit opinions? what should I read to understand Oil markets and gay jewish banker witchcraft?

Don't recomend me any fiction gay stuff, I'm not interested in reading some fantasy about the world through the eyes of some bleeding heart drunkard, I want more real stuff so that I can debate politics and philosophy like a real sexual tyrannosaurus. I'm currently reading crime and punishment but I find the descriptions of flowers on wallpaper and strange textile elements to be droll.

I've been memed into reading the following at some point in my life:

>The Ego and Its own

>Mein Kampf

>Harry potter 1,2 &3

>A bunch of Short Stories by Borges

>Promethus Rising

Other than that and a couple of mangas and Comics, that's pretty much it, as you can see i'm in a terrible position.

Thanks for your help.

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 No.16014

Honest advice: you're too old to start and maybe you simply don't like reading. Maybe it isn't for you. "Plato, Kant, Smith" you're just spouting memes, boi. Most importantly, the idea that reading books makes you smarter is the dumbest memes. I know a lot of idiotic bookworms. They rip through books and come out dumber.

Read Nietzsche's Zarathustra or Beyond Good and Evil like some anon said, and if it doesn't make you feel like your blood is boiling, forget about books, they're not meant from you. Get your wisdom elsewere.

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 No.16053

>>16004

This is a good idea. Russell's work is known to be unfairly critical in philosophers who hold ideas contrary to his own. I would say begin with Plato, and then figure out which issues Plato discussed that interest you specifically. Then read Aristotle's treatment of the topic. From there you can try to follow the issue by school of thought(Platonism is a rich history, commentators on Aristotle generally arrive later but are no less influential) or by topic. You could also go back to the pre-Socratics if Plato's and Aristotle's treatment of their ideas wasn't to your likingThough IIRC there isn't such a great amount of their works still available. Lots of stuff is learned by Plato's and Aristotle's accounts of them

There is generally a decisive split in philosophy centered around the time of Galileo and the scientific revolution. It is possible to view this as a return to a certain pre-socratic view of the world and in some cases this assessment is accurate. Certainly it builds up differently, but the core ideas that motivated modern philosophy can be glimpsed in the thoughts of the pre-socratics. Anyways, If after you read Plato and Aristotle, and decide you really disagree with what they are saying, then you could look for the moderns and contemporaries on the same topics and see if that more aligns with you.

>>16014

>"Plato, Kant, Smith" you're just spouting memes, boi.

Obviously that is what he is doing, he doesn't know where to begin so what else can he do? A person new to carpentry will obviously say "I need a hammer, nails and a saw right?", why should a person new to philosophy not say the same?

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 No.16054

>>16004

It took you two fucking years to reply to that, OP. If you haven't read the entirety of western philosophy by now then you were never really serious about this.

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 No.16055

>>13179

>I suggest just skipping all of the Greek philosophers, they are memes

Ignore this retard

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 No.16064

>>13179

>greek philosophers are memes

<ebola is totally legit and high iq though

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 No.12978 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

Old thread >>5000 is at the bump limit, so I'm making a new one.

"A /lit/ board without a writing thread is worse than useless."

Aspirant authors, tell me of your work.

Feel free to post excerpts or general ideas and don't hesitate to critique someone (especially if you want a critique of your own work in return).

To start it off, here's my post about what I'm working on from the previous thread: >>12848

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 No.14637

Is there a rule against writing fiction in 2nd person?

Personally I find it far easier to get across what I want to convey by writing the main character in 2nd person, then side characters as 3rd. Any recommendations, should I rewrite what I have so far into 3rd person or stick to my guns?

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 No.14638

>>14637

There's no rule as such. It's usually considered a usual error of a neophyte writer, one struggling with the whole idea of POV and how to deploy it. For commercial fiction it's discouraged as being unpleasant for the common reader.

Reasons in favor of using it include: attempting a specific effect on the reader where it would serve such, as a form of high literary technique for where nothing less than avant-garde would do, and purely as an exercise.

If you are looking for common readers to view your work you have to be careful, and fairly well experienced as a writer, to accomplish this.

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 No.14640

>>14615

>Am I a dope for making an extensive history to my world that'll never get used in full?

Take it as a challenge to get more creative with how you think through and write the details of your story. Whatever bits of the history you're coming up with you don't think you can find an organic place for in your story - find an organic place for each of them anyway.

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 No.14642

>>14637

>>14638

In addition, you want to be sure that character is engagingly sympathetic, or intensely interesting (or better, both!) to your readership.

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 No.16061

>>14637

No, but maybe give an example of what you mean so we can judge better.

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 No.16039 [Open thread]

What are some good story magazines currently running that I should be reading?

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 No.16043

>>16039

Does internet magazines count? I like Abyss & Apex.

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 No.16045

>>16043

>Does internet magazines count?

It honestly seems like that's about all that there is these days. Is Clarkesworld any good?

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 No.14522 [Open thread]

Where do you go to get feedback on your writing? I'd rather not post my shit on 8ch or Wizardchan but they're the only places outside of Reddit I know with writing communities who aren't pozzed to shit.

I'd like to do self published short stories and I'm willing to put the work in to improve. I just don't know how to get there yet.

Where should I be looking?

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 No.14541

>>14522

[spoiler] Flavour Town [spoiler]

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 No.14560

>>14522

Honestly, I would look for an english teacher or somebody who reads a lot of short stories.

Don't forget that everybody has a different opinion on how writing should be, so don't take what they say to heart, but compare it with what you know. "Is what their saying biased?", "Are they comparing basic structure not personal preferences?" Don't ever take what people say 100%, make sure their feedback is not bias and your good to go.

Good luck

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 No.15982

Entirely wrong way to go about things in my opinion. First, you should have read enough to know what you like and what you don't like. When you find yourself rewriting sentences, improving confusing descriptions, repairing plot holes, etc. - then your education is gaining momentum. Finally when everything you read is shit, and the only way out is to create your own holy work: this is the time to start writing. But even then, you are writing for yourself and nobody else. Feedback? Are you fucking kidding me? Writers who depend upon feedback is the reason there is so much shit.

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 No.16011

>>14522

>Where do you go to get feedback on your writing? I'd rather not post my shit on 8ch or Wizardchan but they're the only places outside of Reddit I know with writing communities who aren't pozzed to shit.

Why does it matter to you?

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 No.16020

>>14522

I had private classes with people (authors) who offered their services thru facebook. I read some of their work and appreciated it, so I showed them muh shit.

I think its a great place to start, if you find a honest and talented teacher. They wont hold their punches if you don't flinch (so don't!) and you will grow a lot.

Of course they will heavily influence you but its your job to make sure of keeping your own literay strand untouched.

The best method of learning is and will always be reading moar

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 No.13503 [Open thread]

Is he a hack? I've heard people say he steals ideas and overwrites. Plus he acts like a virtue signalling faggot on twitter.

How does his literature compare to others? Do they hold up on their own or is his writing an extension of post-modernism, hence it's (((popularity)))?

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 No.14597

His ideas for stories are pretty good, but his books are trash. I think he's the only writer who consistently has screen adaptations made that are better than the book they're based on

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 No.14603

He has a couple I like:

The Gunslinger (Dark Tower through book 3-4 is alright)

The Stand

Salem's Lot

Firestarter

Cycle of the Werewolf, but it's not really a standard novella

>>13555

IIRC, The Gunslinger started out as short stories that he ended up joining together into a novel. The second book came out like a decade after the first short story was published, so he probably didn't envision it as a series to begin with.

>>13999

I actually like the magic because it amplifies the Good vs. Evil aspect and isn't widespread. The Stand's main issue is that it suffers from serious bloat, mostly because there are more characters than King knows what to do with.

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 No.15981

>>14603 No, the first Gunslinger was touted right from the start to be an epic continuing series. I vaguely remember from the first edition introduction that his inspiration was The Good the Bad and the Ugly, and he wanted to create his own magnum opus.

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 No.15997

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>>14572

Your post is the most reddit thing I've seen in weeks.

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 No.16018

He wrote the same book over and over again. He's a best-selling asshole. It all deoends on wheter you like bestsellers or not.

Carrie was "decent" but I wouldn't call it good

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 No.15989 [Open thread]

My dear anons… How about the book that you just couldn't possibly finish reading, not because it was bad per se, but due to sheer disgust. I want malevolent, disturbing, truly unruly books. If it shook you, share it

PS: on another irrelevant but still interesting genre, what was the realest book you read? Something like Bukowski or John Fante, some authors that exposed their guts without embelishing their opinions.

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 No.16005

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Recently read. Did finish.

A harrowing series of notes about the downward progression of his health, along with his growing realization of his own prospects, and his attempts to face it. A story from a time before the germ theory of disease, before antibiotics, before any form of meaningful chemotherapy, or effective treatment of any kind. While not exactly rich, Daudet was wealthy enough to afford what could be had–chiefly quackery, and narcotics. Plus the occasional visit to an honest doctor who would point out, quite simply, his disease was going to kill him in due course through unbearably painful insanity.

“Pain, you must be everything for me. Let me find in you all those foreign lands you will not let me visit. Be my philosophy, be my science.”

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 No.16013

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>>16005

That sounds extremely interesting. I had no idea such a book existed, but I always imagined it should. RIP Alphonse.

>>15989

One of the few books I couldn't finish was "Blimdness" (An essay on Blindness) by Jose Saramago, not because it was malevolent, disturbing or truly unruly (you go to Sade for that, hands down. You're missing out if you havent read Sade) but all the contrary. It portrayed the submissive nature of humans to an extent I couldn't bear, so I dropped it like it was cursed.

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 No.14946 [Open thread]

How do we make this board more active? I want a place to talk about literature without having to go to the pretensions website that is reddit, or go on half/lit/ where it's full of Jordan Peterson threads.

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 No.15819

>>15818

>I wrote one awhile ago, so I can say this without being hypocritical. In a month, after I read more, I plan on actually working on my writing skills, so that I'm not just a consumer.

Are you the faggot with the 30K+ word fanfiction of some 90s hentai?

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 No.15820

>>15819

It was about a guy who woke up with a head injury, so no thats not me.

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 No.15904

Is anyone else sick of looking at threads opened with a wojak edit picture?

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 No.15909

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>>15904

They weren't all that interesting to begin with but what can one do? Them's western imgageboard culture, such as it is. Personally, I'd rather see more work-safe sexy, or anime, or work-safe sexy anime images. Even where they have nothing to do with the topic in question.

Maybe we need a Belle elf cosplay thread?

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 No.16012

>>15909

>They weren't all that interesting to begin with but what can one do? Them's western imgageboard culture, such as it is.

No, it's halfchan garbage.

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 No.12243 [Open thread]

I've been reading a lot of Chretien de Troyes lately, and decided to check out what literature was like on the other side of medieval Christendom, namely the Byzantine Empire. What do you guys recommend? Something from around the same time as de Troyes would be nice, but honestly I'll read anything.

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 No.12419

>>12418

A lot of Byzantine literature falls into a few categories, one that I remember is histories. Those fuckers loved to write histories. From wikipedia, the categories:

1. Histori(es/ans) and annal(ist)s

2. Encyclopedias and essays

3.Secular Poetry

3.1. Epigram

3.2. Panegyrics

3.3. Satires

3.4. Didactics

3.5. Begging Poem

3.6. Romance Novel

4. Ecclesiastical and theological literature

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_literature

Sage for double post.

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 No.12422

>>12243

sorry to show my ignorance but this is the only byzantine"literature" i know of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_Juris_Civilis

does this count?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Consolation_of_Philosophy

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 No.12495

>>12418

Yeah, I knew about those. I was just wondering if there was some other more obscure stuff that Google and Wikipedia didn't mention.

>>12419

>Romance Novel

It's strange that they wrote so few novels. I wonder if there were more and they just got destroyed when the Turks took over. I've heard that they had a habit of destroying any non-Muslim literature that wasn't purely scholarly when they conquered civilizations.

>>12422

I'll check these out, thanks.

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 No.12533

Read the Alexiad.

It's fucking good.

It is an epic about the accomplishments of Alexios Komnenos.

Nice both for the historic and literally value imho.

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 No.16007

g

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 No.16003 [Open thread]

Get redpilled

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 No.16021

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>Hue hue if something has words it must be literature

By doing this you insult both Manga and Literature.

Leave.

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 No.15999 [Open thread]

Looking for a 1700s classical book of a stranded englishman teaching a native black things

A classical book

Some of the natives thought he was a wizard

On some island

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 No.16000

Book request

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