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Excelsior!

Sister site: [Fan-fiction]

File: b2477a8c7b601b4⋯.jpg (53.15 KB,1748x892,437:223,secrets.jpg)

 No.16442 [Open Thread]

>where do you find free shit to read? post why you find each resource useful. in response section

archive.org documents music and some censored content

telegram censored content and music

library genesis literature and documents

piratebay general

nyaa.si anime stuff I guess

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 No.16444

Halfchan keeps promoting the IRC model of book sharing. I'm not so sure this is in proper keeping with modern image-board culture. Based on my limited expeditions into IRCland, if you can't find something elsewhere it won't be found on #bookz either. Plus, there's a lotta extra effort, expense, and learning curve you have to put in to guarantee anonymity and privacy over IRC. At least it's something to be aware of for the more curious to try.

The Libgen blob became the single greatest library on Earth. This should probably be your first stop for searching.

/pdfs/ here on 8chan is an option, albeit they're best fit for the cultural warrior types. Worth a quick look though.

The onion lands (or the even more exotic network frameworks being developed) host a growing field of repositories, but I personally hate seeing any Tor exclusive resources discussed on a clearnet service. The September that never ended has ended. No more hand-holding please! Leave the normalfags to stew in their facebook/twitter/google enclaves so we might enjoy what remains free and worthwhile for a while longer.

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 No.16489

libgen

</thread>

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 No.16494

File: 878479cb90ce867⋯.jpg (4.64 KB,100x151,100:151,c2bbe0fd5fefe8de2339496aa8….jpg)

I could find some rare shit on "booksc.org"/"b-ok.cc"

The only problem it only allows 5 downloads max without registration, 10 downloads max with login, and then you have to pay. But it has shit ton of books, i use it only in case i just need to find like one specific fiction, especially eurojank translated into english.

In other cases i usually use rutracker.

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 No.16514

>tfw not in bib

You can always just get a library card OP. I've got one just to test out mozilla's location spoofing feature.

>>16494

You can use tor or any proxy/vpn to circumvent those.

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 No.16519

>>16494

install foxyproxy and check proxies online

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File: 6d4497cad9c29dd⋯.jpg (294.77 KB,2086x1294,1043:647,1520161926321.jpg)

 No.15555 [Open Thread]

i read brothers karamazov and it was the worst 2 hours of my life tbh.

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 No.16426

I'm halfway through it after 20 mins and I can confirm. Alexei bits are so fucking annoying.

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 No.16441

>>15555

>people falling for the bait this easily

>>16426

i disagree, the annoying parts are where dostoevsky decides to tell you about the story of an elder monk or a bunch of schoolboys

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 No.16443

I read crime and punishment but in the 5 years since I have gotten bored with karamazov

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 No.16493

File: 09cb21d2e846589⋯.png (230.72 KB,1159x665,61:35,the soy.png)

>wtf, who's even the bad guy?

>where are the sex scenes?!

>OMG! it's, like, totally religious and stuff! gross!

>how can I sympathize with all these evil russian hackers???!!!

>LOL, that stupid dead white guy could have spread this out into at least 18 books!

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 No.16500

>>16493

this sounds like my kind of book

thanks for the short description, anon

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File: 529546c344d131e⋯.jpg (415.11 KB,1280x856,160:107,19999.jpg)

 No.16445 [Open Thread]

I'm writing a short novel. Let me show ya a little passage so you guys can get interested.

John's face was always gloomy. When someone asked him a question, he would answer monosyllabically or pretend to be deaf. He'd never look into one's eyes, and his sweaty, limp hand felt like a sponge when he had to extend it to greet a new co-worker. His life was divided between his home and the office. He spent the weekends sitting on the old couch in front of the television, reading the late newspapers and drinking beer.

No one liked John except Martha, who thought he was a true gentleman. Finally, one day, he ended up inviting her to dinner. Marta blushed when she received the invitation, her heart pounding as she couldn't help but let out a shy smile from her lips. She swallowed and agreed day and time.

Two hours before the meeting, Marta took a long bath with scented salts and applied a hydrating mask on her face. She brushed her hair for a long time, but in the end decided to make a relaxed bun. She painted her eyes, stretched her lashes and intensified her lips with red lipstick, dressing in a tight skirt and a slightly transparent silk blouse that she had saved for a special occasion.

Inside the cab, on the way to the restaurant, Marta tried to straighten a strand of hair that kept peeling off her bun, running her fingers across the skirt whilst looking intermittently at her makeup mirror as to touch up the lipstick.

Suddenly, a block to the restaurant, a thought crossed her mind. What if John had only invited her to talk about work issues? As she got out of the cab, Marta used a shop window as a makeshift mirror only to ponder whether her skirt was too tight, or her shirt too transparent.

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 No.16449

(Derp. Second post. First attempt created a new thread instead of a proper reply. Another pot, another go, just so.)

Taking a look and pondering a bit. My first impressions for what to critique seem to be running off the rails after a second read. I really should not try to do this right after I wake up. After a pot or two of coffee set to chasing away the fog, expect a subsequent commentary in the next four hours or so.

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 No.16450

Is this the very beginning of the story? If it is i would say i sort of like it but if not… hmmm depending how long of short write you're doing it could become a bit tedious maybe? That is if your rythym like this stays the same throughout. Thats just my worthless two cents though. I'm very overdue on sleep at the moment so i may be way off and it's vauge criticism anyhow. It's not terrible. I think you should write the whole thing and feel it out as a whole.

I just got quite the idea for a story earlier today and came here to ask some advice myself. I've never written anything outside of schoolwork really. I like the idea i came up with it's origional to me at least and i think it could be really fun. Don't want to reveal the premise. I was thinking i might write a short story of it since i'm a beginner. If anyone feels like giving a total nube a tip or two i would appreciate it. I'm thinking it's going to be a story where you think it's the current time and place but Plot Twist! You find out at the end it's not the current year or more precisely a near in the future setting at all. That's not the main point of the story though. It just drives the actual story home at the end.

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 No.16453

>>16445

>>16449

Ouffda. Whatta day and a night. Anyway, here's my late impressions.

The writing suffers from what I would call outlining disease. You are sketching characters out in flimsy first order detail. The problem with presenting characters like this is it starts to read like a laundry list.

>and his sweaty, limp hand felt like a sponge when he had to extend it to greet a new co-worker.

For example, you might try expanding this into a little scene describing how someone reacts to being handed a wet sponge of a handshake, without using "wet sponge" in your description.

>Suddenly, a block to the restaurant, …

I usually interpret this construction as a note from the writer to himself about something of importance in need of proper emphasis. A Freudian slip of sorts. Thing is, if you drop the "suddenly" you have what you want in basic form. I'd suspect you were in discovery writing mode at this point, which is perfectly fine. Going with the flow is one powerful writing technique to move forward. But, with the discovery method, you then need to go back and analyze with an eye to what you were really trying to communicate. Again, what does the need for suddenness mean? Obviously, she's suddenly hesitant, yes. Why? Stereotyped female behavior is cliche. If you imagine a bit as to why you felt the need to note its importance, you may discover a path to a more interesting character, a better means of characterization, an improved scene, avoidance of cliche (or how to better use cliche to your advantage), and a path to a better story.

Those are just my first impressions. I may be telescoping out my suspicions based on similarity other young writers typically demonstrate. It's hardly a fair analysis as there is not enough to go on. Don't be discouraged by my commentary. Keep writing.

I was thinking of suggesting some novels foPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.16455

>>16445

>>16453

>laundry list

Yeah, that's what I got too. The rhythm of the story is bland and its details are (un/de)saturated. Unless this is an outline, the pacing is too rapid while, paradoxically, on an individual sentence level it's monotonous.

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 No.16479

File: 6b778742ca3557f⋯.jpg (477.54 KB,1025x1500,41:60,2019-10_-_A_Mrs._Miracle_C….jpg)

>>16445

Your sentences lack variation and depth, you are writing the woman section a lot better than your intro to the man but it lacks creativity. Is this man autistic or a killer or sleepy? Give us an anecdote or thought process for him other than

>What if John had only invited her to talk about work issues?

You shouldnt be writing novels in the style of Debbie Macomber unless you plan on writing 50 of them and having no soul

Pic related your equivalent

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File: 3cf440f187471d2⋯.png (535.15 KB,1067x696,1067:696,AdornoHorkheimerHabermasby….png)

 No.12183 [Open Thread]

What's the best place to start exploring this great school of thought?

>inb4 muh Cultural Marxism

I'm not interested in your anti-intellectual bourgeoise conspiracy theories, /pol/.

I'm in for the pursuit of truth.

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 No.16462

If you're actually serious:

Marcuse - 1. Reason and Revolution 2. One Dimensional Man

Horkheimer - 1. Eclipse of Reason

Adorno - 1. Dialectic of Enlightenment 2. The Culture Industry

Benjamin - 1. The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction

After you've finished those off, make sure to get a nice 2x4 to beat yourself with until you've realized how much time you just wasted that could have been used reading actual philosophers.

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 No.16464

>>16462

>No Eros & Civilization

It's their most pertinent work to our time. Nobody can understand trannies without reading it.

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 No.16465

>>16460

Ok, leftypol

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 No.16468

>>16465

Did you just assume my gender?

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 No.16470

>>16468

I assumed you were a faggot of any kind. a big bundle of sticks

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File: 2412999f438d2f1⋯.jpg (296.38 KB,2164x1612,541:403,Lit Rankings.jpg)

 No.11913 [Open Thread]

Do any of you have a way of ranking literature?

That is, do consider certain genres and styles of writing better than others?

Pic related is what I'd consider my ranking system, although it's very rough and still a work in progress. Feel free to edit it in ways you think are better and share your own personal rankings when you approach literature of any kind.

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 No.13753

>>11913

>horror is towards the top of the pyramid

Well, at least you're reading.

Have you finished your homework champ?

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 No.16431

>>13753 >>11913

horror is good when done right, but most "good" horror authors are doing tons of cookie cutter copy paste shit over and over again *cough* stephen king *cough* then it just doesnt feel special anymore, now its all the same, might as well read slice of life

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 No.16437

>>13330

Holy shit you are retarded

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 No.16463

believing in genres already puts you on the bottom floor of this pyramid

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 No.16467

>very good books

>good books

>ok books

>bad books

>shit books

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 No.16454 [Open Thread]

Who is the greatest writers of history par respective language sprachsbund

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 No.16459

Shakespeak was duech?

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File: d592fd521a0370f⋯.png (7.35 MB,3000x1938,500:323,050FC50C-CE7D-4626-A35A-A9….png)

 No.15941 [Open Thread]

"a great book, tremendous read and trust me, I know good books”

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 No.15949

An amusing shoop.

Tarrant's missive is weirdly ironic, an argument in favor of immigration control that might provoke a reinterpretation in light of his acts. An "Australians go home!" backlash movement maybe?

His writing style speaks of a lack of maturity though not lacking in some self reflection. While remaining hopeful of an extensive global impact, he all but acknowledges his likely fate as a Charles Manson phenomenon: lingering, yet to be largely forgotten. Admitting to being a waste of time for a higher educational setting is nice, but the same could be said of his attempt at a grand tour with the world as his school. Having gained some appreciation of other lands and peoples is worthy of praise, yet he appears to have remained disconnected from them. He is content to substitute an eclectic grab bag of superficial obsessions with foreign events for understanding.

In short, he's no William T. Vollmann.

No need to skim the entire. If one can track down a copy (it should be everywhere by now) the gist of the whole can be had with just the first half. Weighing in at 74 pages (of mostly empty space) that first half makes for a five to ten minute read.

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 No.15951

>>15946

Definitely the latter. It's the quintessence of nu/pol/

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 No.15970

>>15946

It isn't even 100 pages. Just read it for yourself.

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 No.16430

you can read the thing in 2 hours>>15946

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 No.16436

Does it name the jew?

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File: 66bfde936b4f597⋯.png (395.45 KB,1280x720,16:9,Screenshot_20190504-135424.png)

 No.16184 [Open Thread]

When are you going to write a book about Elliot Rodger?

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 No.16193

He ain't notable enough for a simple biography.

His manifesto would be cut in half by any semi-professional editor. I suspect it could be usefully reduced to a third in size.

The major lesson here is about mental heath and societal support systems. Alienation? Social isolation? Pain of rejection? All cliche. Walk into any homeless shelter and listen. It's all there. His story ain't nothing unique. People who identify with what he has to say willfully overlook key parts to his story in favor of his poorly articulated rage dump. The key parts aren't missing. Many an article, blog post, and essay thoroughly covered all the facets.

Desire you an expose of a self destructive life with keen observations on the nature of society and all its imposing faults, well exposed, and well said? Study Bukowski. Study John Horne Burns. Misfits from two ends of the social scale make for an enlightening comparison.

Finally, who would be the market for such a book? Our tiny niche of people most interested are also those most able to scan and file-share. That's assuming, by some miracle, a deal could be made to land copies on the dead tree graveyard of brick and mortar bookshelves. Not much left over for an ambitious counter cultural writer to live on even if money should change hands for every ebook read.

No thanks. I'll stick to writing made to order erotica.

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 No.16209

>>16193

Society doesn't care about men since ever

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 No.16211

I fulle agree with some opinions here. Who would be the market for such a book? Anyway if you gonna write such a book here some tips https://edusson.com/speech-writing-service for "young writers" :D By the way I am not sure there are a lot of people who really know about Elliot Rodger..

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 No.16215

who is that?

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 No.16429

mumkey jones wrote a diary of a wimpy kid parody of his manifesto, its like if his manifesto was like a diary of a wimpy kid book, look it up

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File: 7cd8787ecb03894⋯.jpg (1.23 MB,1500x1873,1500:1873,ErnestHemingway.jpg)

 No.13442 [Open Thread]

Is Hemingway worth getting into? I read Old Man and the Sea back in high school but didn't really get a whole lot out of it. Where's a good place to get started with this faget?

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 No.13577

>>13442

How as Old Man and the Sea? My dad talks about it a lot and makes it sound pretty decent.

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 No.13583

>>13442

Read For Whom the Bell Tolls first. It's a classic tale of war. Then read A Farewell to Arms. Then read all his short stories, especially the Nick Adams tales but the collection The Snows of Kilimanjaro is excellent. Then go back and read The Old Man and The Sea.

That is the essential Hemingway in my recommended order. He is a maestro of action, of spare description and of understated honor.

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 No.13585

>>13442

>Is Hemingway worth getting into?

No.

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 No.16413

>>13577

It's pretty good. Read it once in school, then read it again while I went boating, for the sake of immersion. Classic man vs. nature story.

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 No.16428

>>13442

old man in the sea is mediocre, i haven't read any of his other books, and i do not plan on reading them

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 No.16298 [Open Thread]

I'm looking for a book that guides you on how to survive the galaxy or even just earth. It would be really cool to find a mans guide to earth or the galaxy.

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 No.16422

meditations

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 No.16418 [Open Thread]

Remember reading a book, but forgot its name? Was there a story that was described to you, but never got its name?

This thread can also double as a share thread for any rediscovered books.

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File: 9b1a05359efcd9b⋯.jpg (14.55 KB,516x480,43:40,36850612_1054048524754283_….jpg)

 No.16410 [Open Thread]

is there anything, left/right/authoritarian/libertarian/dystopian/utopian out there I can read? I read 1984 as a kid and wasn't a big fan, and we all know Brave New World, but what else is out there.

also, no Tom Clancy shit, I want something dark at least, a series would be nice

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 No.9273 [Open Thread]

Post your love for sci-fi and any books you want to attach for others to read.

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 No.15983

>>9278

Best classification guide I've come across is that science fiction portrays futures/worlds that are improbable, but possible. Fantasy portrays impossible worlds: so C. S. Lewis's Space Trilogy, although ostensibly sci-fi, is most definitely fantasy because they portray breathable atmospheres on Mars and Venus.

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 No.15984

>>9550

You should check out Iain M. Banks. His writing can be a bit clunky, but there are some good stories among his Culture works.

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 No.16280

File: 3b53ad9dd849a15⋯.jpg (1.26 MB,3333x4961,303:451,Tut and Alien stage 2.jpg)

Kill Tut by Max Wannow

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 No.16408

John Norman's Gor series has been a recent discovery of mine

>inb4 'incel' comments

the usuals, Phillip K. Dick, Isaac Asimov, Harlan Ellison (despite him being a prickly kike), Ray Bradbury, etc

never checked out Orson Scott Card, but I hear soys are boycotting him for hating on queers. his adaptations seem to be popular. I dunno is he fluff?

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 No.16409

>>9550

Asimov as far as jews go, is more tolerable than Ellison, I heard that dude went through friends like women go through tampons.

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 No.15832 [Open Thread]

Book clubs never work!

Why this is going to work

I'm seen book clubs started on different boards and they always fail, which is why I created a reading club instead. No one wants to read a whole book of questionable interest every week, and no one can blame anons for not wanting to. My solution for this is to focus on short stories and novellas, so that plenty of anons have the time and will to finish.

You need more material to talk about than that

Thats a valid point and will be taken into consideration. If it proves to be true my plan is to include multiple shorts by the same author, so that we can discus him as well. This will allow anons who don't want to read a whole novel to participate, while still allowing a depth of conversation.

==The White People== =

by Arthur Mache

E. F. Bleiler wrote that the narrative in the Green Book "is probably the finest single supernatural story of the century, perhaps in the literature", and Michael Dirda has stated: "If I were to list the greatest supernatural short stories of all time, I would start with Arthur Machen’s 'The White People,' about a young girl’s unknowing initiation into an ancient, otherworldly cult." S. T. Joshi has called the diary "a masterpiece of indirection, a Lovecraft plot told by James Joyce", and H. P. Lovecraft himself wrote that "Machen's narrative, a triumph of skilful selectiveness and restraint, accumulates enormous power as it flows on in a stream of innocent childish prattle". I copied this off of Wikipedia, since I don't want to give away to much. I'm going to read it again before I write what I think.

RULES

Use spoilers if what you say requires them.

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 No.15924

>>15832

thanks anon! ill probably finish by tomorrow or so. my problem with book clubs is that i never have the money to buy each and every book and theres no library nearby

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 No.16015

I liked the dialogue at the start. It sells the theme of the story fairly well. The two characters – the curio and his intrigued companion – are a lot like Holmes and Watson.

It's quite a chore to read through the contents of the green book. It is after all designed to disorient the reader, and in the story, hide the girl's secrets. Later I reread it and the various fairy tales she meanders off into show similarities with the behavior of the girl and the nurse.

I found the ending unsatisfying. The character at the start who was so talkative before is now tight lipped; he knows the statue is involved, that it acts similar to (or is) alchemy, and thinks it's dangerous enough to destroy – but he won't say why. It would have been less annoying to me if he had only heard the girl died in front of the statue.

If I've grasped this right: the nurse is the white woman she first saw at the pond with the man who followed them (both cultists); the cultists all die sudden deaths (possibly due to the [figurative?] wine and bread); they are extraordinarily happy in immaterial ways but can't go back to a normal life; outsiders have died because of the cult and they've been persecuted/killed for this.

Other things: I don't know if the white faces and their language have any significance. I also don't know the bible very well so I'm not sure what the blindfold, when approaching the statue a second time, is a reference to. It's also not clear to me if she literally poisoned herself or if it's figurative.

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 No.16288

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FUCK JON PAUL SOT AND FUCK DISCORD TRANNIES

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 No.16359

>>16015

I agree, the moral discussion at the beginning set a tone that was heavy on philosophy and that's something that I enjoyed. It really gave way to the wrongness that supposedly would be perpetrated later in order to "truly sin". I thought reading through the girls thoughts was fine. the run on sentences were clearly for effect, to give it a rushed and somewhat naive feel. I think that I missed some references in the story, there was a reference to Adam and Eve late in the story that I'm assuming was comparing them to the white peoples introduction. I also wonder if white people has any racial connotation. It didn't seem so from the story but those kinds of things can be easy to miss. Overall I found it to be of high quality but more generally unsettling then frightening or dreadful.

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 No.15926 [Open Thread]

Recommend some good apathetic /lit/?

Something good so that if my eyes gloss over the words I'll get it. It's become my sole mode of reading now. I find I like urban apathetic; I'm open to other apathies, too.

English or German. I've already read Naked Lunch, American Psycho, and a handful of Bukowski. and I want to diversify to other authors before reading more of Bukowski et al.'s works.

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 No.15927

>Bukowski

You won't go too far wrong with one of Bukowski's recommendations. Check out some of Louis-Ferdinand Céline's novels.

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 No.16388

>>15926

The Stranger by Camus

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 No.16390

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Maybe you should try Houllebecq.

He writes about apathic old men who witness their dying society dwelving into vice and introspection. My only two problems with him is that sometimes he exagerates with the amount of sex and explicit descriptions (as a 24 yo I don't have half the libido and stamina of his 50 something protagonists) and, sometimes, he is a bit repetitive. But in general he delivers some very interesting reflexions about our modern society plus interesting depressive male characters who have achieved some sucess or prestige in their fields.

I've read Submission, where, besides what I've just described, he talks about how Islam can be seductive to european men and many interesting things about medieval literature. Elementary Particles, where he talks about mother-son relationship and what happened to old hippies and their offspring. And Plataform, which deals with sexual tourism (in a surprisingly positive way) and violence.

Plataform was the weakest of the three, but it was interesting to compare it with Submission, because it was written at the beginning of the century and it had a very different view of how Islam would develop itself throughout the world in the next decades: in the book one of the characters says that Islam wouldn't last because it was incompatible with the hedonist life style spreading in the world. It's not focused on Islam, though.

I am waiting for Seratonin to be released in my country this month.

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