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 No.16603 [Open Thread]

Let's discuss the reading habits of great authors.

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 No.16992

>>16991

probably not or they would be gay faggots

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 No.17086

bump

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 No.17087

Great writers don't have time for such nonsense. They have enough worries. I can't imagine how much effort it takes to write a whole book. I can’t just write an article at the university, but they have been doing it for years. Recently wrote at university about costco, used https://graduateway.com/essay-examples/costco/ for this. I just wouldn't be able to do everything myself. Well, in general, they read manga anyway, I'm joking.

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 No.17708

>>16620

Robert Heinlein said that he was surrounded by resources and reference books while writing. He read a lot of history and practiced math. He also kept up to date with science and technology and would try to add that stuff to what he wrote.

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 No.17798

>>17708

Salman Rushdie somewhere said that when he's writing, he's got a disorganized pile of relevant books on one table to check things.

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 No.17781 [Open Thread]

how are you dealing with the death of lit and the fact that (you) have to kowtow to some retarded faggot claiming his diadochi is THE have for the flood of 4chan refugees?

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 No.17782

>>17781

About as well as you seemingly are, I guess.

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 No.17787

The loss of lit is a tragedy. There are archives, but it's not quite the same.

I'm coping by actually reading the books instead of bait posts. Halfway through the House of seven gables.

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 No.17794

>>17787

>tragedy

It could work the other way:

* 4chan dies

* /lit/ anons, with literally no other option, read some books

* 4chan returns

* /lit/ anons are now the patrician men of letters they previously only pretended to be

* their brush with death has imbued them with a sense of purpose

* they put away childish things and crowdwrite

THE GUILD OF THE TAPIR

(Book One of The Tapir Chronicles)

* self-published, it attracts a series of excoriating one-star reviews on Goodreads from the usual suspects

* the Streisand Effect kicks in

* $$$

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 No.17796

>>17794

Very beautiful vision you have there.

I'm afraid patrician men of letters will find little need of returning to /lit/.

But The Book of Pige needs to be written.

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 No.17797

>>17794

If the world were just and fair this would happen…

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 No.17701 [Open Thread]

I've been reading the old pulp novels of the 30s and absolutely love them. They have such an energy to them, a real vitality, and the adventures never stop.

So, discuss pulps here!

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 No.17733

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What's ur opinion on sex pulp

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 No.17734

>>17733

I like it. It is sexy and the characters are sex havers. Thats one of the big differences between the virility of the pulps, and the almost incel sexual-frustration of the comics that stole a lot of their ideas from the pulps.

Spider-man, Batman, and Superman are all either incels or volcels, and I wouldn't be surprised if their writers were as well. But you know Richard Wentworth was fucking Nita van Sloan every night, and Lamont Cranston was running through all the young socialites. Heroes used to get the girl and fuck them. Now they get put on a pedestal.

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 No.17741

Pulpbros….we are back!

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 No.17774

>>17728

Yup, I’m going through the full collection his Conan works (about as thick as the Bible btw) and I fully expected to be turned off by the 1930s prose and writing style and grammar even though I find myself having to look up a word or two every now and then it’s actually super digestible, Howard really knows how to make a scene and narrative flow smoothly in as far as I can tell. Also his humor and ‘sensitivities’ are very blunt by todays standards and it’s very funny. I want to give Barsoom stuff a try too eventually.

>>17734

I mean, both Batman and Superman have kids and Spider-Man has had plenty of sex at this point lol

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 No.17793

>>17701

WHO KNOWS WHAT EVIL LURKS IN THE HEARTS OF MEN?

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 No.17786 [Open Thread]

sup fellas

recommend me a book where the protagonist(male) is raped by his enemy(female)

bonus points if she is crazy or hasa red hair

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 No.17792

>>17786

Sounds like my life

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 No.17766 [Open Thread]

Anyone have links for the mega drive book depositories or similar? Struggling to find sources since so many got nuked including internet archive.

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 No.17778

>>17766

Take the libgen pill

https://libgen.is/

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 No.17783

For anything related to sailing the high seas, it's best if you can speak at least a little Russian.

https://yandex.com/

https://www.rulit.me/

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 No.17788

If 4chan's torrent board has an archive, look for Bibliotheca Alexandrina thread. It's a 500GB torrent of history books from ancient civilizations to early modern era.

Pretty sure you could find the magnet link on bt4g

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 No.17791

>>17788

Guess I’ll keep a lookout for this too thanks

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 No.17703 [Open Thread]

With the death of 4chan and it's /lit/ community, it would be good for us to share our memories of the site. So respond with what you loved, what you hated, the highs and the lows. Use this as a way to articulate the impact the board had on your own life.

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 No.17771

>>17747

I don’t think /his/ colony is quite accurate but it did become a colony of some sort for sure

>>17751

>history general

It honestly never even occurred to me to look at /lit/ for recs like that, sucks I may not get the chance to ask at this point because like you say finding good ones is a challenge.

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 No.17779

>>17768

I found some great books from /lit/ over the years. I would be very sad if I can't discuss Shadow Ticket with my bookbros.

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 No.17780

>>17771

>sucks I may not get the chance to ask at this point

We can try to get a modest thread going here. I started a general. If you’re looking for something in particular, then I can try to recommend something. If it falls outside of my wheelhouse though, or that of the few anons here, then you might be just be out of luck.

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 No.17784

>>17703

pls give me back my 4chin i can't live without it

>4chan, light of my life, fire of my loins. my sin, my soul. cua-tro-chan

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 No.17789

>>17771

Just use the archive. You'll find more stuff than you'll ever be able to read

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 No.17750 [Open Thread]

>My son should study much history, and meditate upon it, for it is the only true philosophy.

ITT post and discuss history books you’re reading or have read. Ask for requests and other anons try to help you out. Everything from pop history on beaten to death wars to journal articles on niche facts. Let’s discuss knowing the past.

The books I’m currently going through are quite pop history-esq, but it’s what I got for cheap:

>The Fall of Napoleon: the Final Betrayal by David Hamilton-Williams

This is one of the most unashamedly pro-Napoleon book I’ve ever read. Not that being pro-Napoleon is a bad thing. The bias is very strong and it makes me wonder how accurate it really is. It’s also not very polished and hard to follow sometimes.

>The English Civil War: A People’s History by Diane Purkiss

I didn’t like this book. It’s way too long and takes so many detours to talk about random assholes while not talking about some major aspects of the war in the detail I would like. I need a better book on the English Civil Wars, or Cromwell.

>Mayflower: A Story of Courage, Community, and War by Nathaniel Philbrick

Great book, well written. Touches on everything you could want to know about the Mayflower, the first settlers, and King Philip’s War. I appreciate the balanced tone it seemed to strike, considering how politicized the colonization of North America is. It felt honest.

> A History of the Habsburg Empire: 1526-1918 by Robert A. Kann

I thought this was an excellent book that I read a while ago. It gives each ethnicity of the empire its due and is organized very well to that effect. Discussing their national developments occupies a good chunk of this book, but it also touches on the general history of the empire moving forward as well.

Currently reading:

>The Fourth Crusade and the Sack of Constantinople by Jonathan Phillips

Too early to judge it, although it seems very pop history-like. However, it’s well written so far, but wPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.17755

Just here to post another anons recommendations on primary sources for Roman /his/ I got about a week ago. Slowly working through it.

Livius – Ab Urbe Condita

Polybius – Historiae

Appianus – Historia Romana

Sallustius – Bellum Iugurthinum

Appianus – Bellum Civile

Suetonius – De Vita Caesarum

Sallustius – De Catilinae Coniuratione

Julius Caesar – Bellum Gallicum

Julius Caesar – Bellum Civile

Cassius Dio – Historia Romana

Tacitus – Annales

Tacitus – Historiae

Marcellinus – Historiae

Jordanes – Romana

Jordanes – Getica

"Ab Urbe Condita" literally means "From the Founding of the City [of Rome]" so that's why you can freely start with Livy. You will read Books 1 to 10 first. Books 11 to 20 were lost, so you will read Polybius in between. Proceed with Livy until Book 45. This covers the entire Roman Republic from the legendary beginnings until the crisis period. Between all of this you can read the aforementioned Plutarch's Lives, half of which are biographies of famous Romans, to supplement and give more colour to your studies.

Plutarch starts to get seriously relevant as a source after Livy because he wrote biographies for every single relevant personage of the crisis period. You must read his Lives of the Gracchis, Sulla, Marius. Read Sallust's works and the 1st Book of Appian's Civil Wars. Then read Caesar's memoirs. Now you can go back to Appian's Books 2 to 5 which culminate in the reign of Augustus.

Plutarch didn't write any Lives for Imperial Rome so you will read Suetonius' Lives for this period instead. Read Cassius Dio Books 52 to 56 or so. Finally, read Tacitus works. From here everything goes to shit (along with Rome) until you relocate to Constantinople and their authors.

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 No.17777

Currently reading:

>World Prehistory by Brian Fagan

>Histories by Herodotus

Made a list of relevant prehistory books, Greek, Roman and Medieval sources. Too lazy to format it for a post.

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 No.17720 [Open Thread]

>things you like

>slave

>thing I like

>master

how did chuds ever take this guy seriously?

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 No.17740

>>17739

No, there is truth in what you say. A person can have a life "without meaning" but they cannot have a life without "necessity". Necessity might not provide meaning but it does provide a sense of intention. That might be just as bleak, but it does give me something to do and something to laugh at haha

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 No.17742

>>17738

Need to as in you want them to or need to like it has to be that way for the universe to make sense?

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 No.17745

>>17742

>>17742

Bro, I'm talking abbout the necessities of life. Food, shelter etc. Thats what creates the necessity for me to live. Or at least give me intention.

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 No.17772

>>17720

Even THOUGH that’s not what he said.

>>17737

I mean, it’s not like he ever really advocated for that to begin with.

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 No.17776

>>17772

True (never said he did, but I see why it can be misinterpreted that way), "Will to Power" was his main shtick. He did touch on the matter extensively though, as it was a (less-to-non viable, in his view) alternative in a world where "God is dead".

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 No.17719 [Open Thread]

Was anyone else disappointed by Lolita? I think Nabokov didn't go far enough in the story and that makes it feel a lot less impactful

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 No.17726

>>17719

That book is the definition of all style and no substance. After like chapter 3, the book takes a steep downhill.

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 No.17775

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>>Was anyone else disappointed by Lolita?

No, it is actually a good book. I think the distance of time from when it was written has blunted it's impact and modern readers ignorance of the era of it was written.

>>It is a huge slap in the face to 1950's manufactured idealism.

There are a huge number of things the HH and Dot do that would bring horror to the Normies everything from the Car trip and motel stays to Dot consuming endless amounts of magazines were the corporate manufactured "Ideals" Family Car trips ( pushed by GM ) to motels to local sights etc. Liberal Magazine Publishers like Atlantic Monthly Sophisticated , intelligent and well informed by reading all the magazines, mean while airheaded Dot does the same and she is an Airhead. An she has to read Dunken Hinds column ( Gorden Ramses of the day ) to know where to eat !!

It would be like in 2008 while everyone gushed over Facebook and the New Iphone you wrote a book where a Pedo loves Facebook to keep tabs of his Nieces "growth" and Reddit because they were smart , the Iphone for its camera and long battery for hiding in the girls locker room people would lose their spaghetti reading that .

>>It is a Romantic novel in the way of "Idealism" rather than love.

>>HH is a truly unreliable narrator.

Unreliable, firstly his retelling to make himself seem smarter and better than everyone one else , kind of like a M'lady fedora wearer thinking he is sauve and, saying how "everyone clapped" at the end of his story . And also his ( HH ) speeches about Nymphets and Loltia reminded me of Alcoholics justifying their drinking " No no dear reader I am sophisticated drinker , a Writer , I am a wine connoisseur." Justifying why they're in the bag at 11 in the morning .

>Its Romantic.

He finally got the Lolita he so idealized and he despises her . Not even the sex is "remarkable" on in that he complains of having to bribe her before hand and her crying and being witPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.17707 [Open Thread]

Anyone else love reading but it genuinely takes up too much energy so you rarely do it?

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 No.17729

>>17707

You have to set a lot of time off to yourself if you're reading a big novel like Tolstoy. Otherwise, short stories and classic poetry are the way to go.

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 No.17735

>>17707

I haven't read a thing in about 5 years.

Used to read every day, a couple of books a week, and have a library of a couple of thousand books. An entire room of my house.

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 No.17743

This is why I read scott galloway and malcome gladwell yea I'm not learning much but at least I'm reading. All my peers are reading twitter at best.

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 No.17744

>>17707

I'm in a habit of reading 30-40 min before bed. Best reading habit I have found.

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 No.17773

>>17707

Not quite, much like with everything else I have a short attention span these days and get distracted by other stuff, I also need to be in the right head space or I just don’t take anything in and find myself rereading the same lines over and over until I’m satisfied it sticks.

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 No.17761 [Open Thread]

The first greatest brazillian writer: Machado de Assis. Literature here only become good after him.

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 No.17752 [Open Thread]

I'm about to start reading "Crisis and Leviathan" Critical episodes in the growth of American Government. On the chance anyone here has read it, will I be wasting my time? I'm kind of wanting to read Engels The Condition of the Working Class in England and then The French Revolution by Carlyle. But I've been meaning to read this book for months. Oh anons give me guidance.

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 No.17753

>>17752

Well, anon, you have the advantage. I have not read any of those works. I think I should be asking you for guidance.

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 No.17704 [Open Thread]

P.G. Wodehouse is, in my mind, one of the finest writers of the 20th century. If had wrote about the Tragedy of the Human Soul, instead of light comedies, he would be on the Mount Rushmore of writers.

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 No.17713

>>17711

Absolutely. And his ability to generate original metaphors is fantastic. And i just love the characters and settings. Everything is just so comfy.

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 No.17715

>>17704

Recommend me something by him

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 No.17721

>>17715

There are two series which are my favorites. The Jeeves series and the Psmith series.

The Jeeves series is very comedic slice-of-life. I recommend the two short story collection: Carry On, Jeeves and Very Good, Jeeves. The stories should only take 30 minutes to read, so try a few and see if you like them.

The second series is the Psmith series. Psmith, the character, could be best described as an upper-class social anarchist. Comedically, of course. I think the best novel is Psmith in the City. It is the second of a series of four novels, but their stories are only loosely connected, so you do not lose anything by not reading the first.

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 No.17723

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>>17721

Thanks fren. I'll reed sum and get back to you. I mostly hung out on /his/ and discussed /his/ on /lit/ so I'm basically retarded when it comes to fiction outside of the shit they made me read in school.

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 No.17725

>>17723

And everyone usually starts at the same place. That is why places like /lit/ are so valuable for advice.

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 No.17717 [Open Thread]

I want an anti miscegeneration book from the civil rights era that talks about how hot Jewish sluts should definitely never ever let their stinky knishes be touched by blacks. Something like this but better. What would u suggest? :thinking emoji:

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 No.17722

Jewish sluts should exclusively fuck ME

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 No.17718 [Open Thread]

Was anyone else disappointed by Lolita? I think Nabokov didn't go far enough in the story and that makes it feel a lot less impactful

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