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 No.13928 [Open thread]

I recently finished Doki Doki Literature Club. I thought it was a pretty cool idea to take some tropes and invert them and then deconstruct them. First, after I finished the VN, I thought it didn't really live up to the hype that I had read on many places on the internet, but my mind keeps returning to it. I think one of the things that is most memorable to me is how even though I pretty much knew what was going to happen when I first started reading, the twist of the game still gave me goosebumps. Therefore, I'm wondering if any similar works of literary fiction exist where characters and a setting are introduced and then completely inverted similar to DDLC. Additionally, do any of you happen to know any good generally unsettling/scary books in general? A few months ago I read a lot of Thomas Liggoti and really enjoyed his stuff, so anything similar to that would be awesome. Thanks.

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 No.14027

File: b04ede42c163f10⋯.jpg (67.3 KB,900x900,1:1,1480530294982.jpg)

>I thought it was a pretty cool idea to take some tropes and invert them and then deconstruct them

That says more about you than about the game, really. 'Deconstructing tropes' is literally the basis for all postmodernism, and at this point it's about as uninspired as the tropes themselves.

It isn't the first game to do this, it isn't the first book to do this, and it even isn't the first VN to do this.

Then, if you take away the ostensibly novel twist the VN revolves around, you're left with basically nothing.

DDLC is pretty much a nescient hack's attempt at creating viceral or striking content that ironically ends up having less depth than the visual novels it attempts to lampoon.

You only liked it because the girl who was cute (which, surprise surprise, was a trope left uninverted) said she loved you.

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 No.14028

>>14027

>if you take away the ostensibly novel twist the VN revolves around, you're left with basically nothing.

The twist ends up being the premise for the real meat of the story, though. If you take away the premise for any given story, you're usually left with nothing.

It's like saying that Gakkou Gurashi is terrible because if you take away the twist you're left with poorly-written moeshit.

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 No.14029

>>14028

>The twist ends up being the premise for the real meat of the story, though

I know what you're trying to say, but consider that in a good piece of media (like the 6th sense) the twist substantiates the story in a way that I don't see in DDLC. There isn't really a story to care about before the twist happens if you get what I'm saying, which means that DDLC ends up feeling empty.

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 No.14030

>>14029

I'd completely agree if it had ended at Sayori's suicide, and while I'll admit that the story in the "second playthrough" onward wasn't entirely original, I still felt like it was enjoyable enough to make the buildup worth it.

I get it if you feel like you wasted your time, since the buildup did go on for a while, but I still feel like that was necessary to get the feel of what it was "supposed" to be before Monika started screwing with shit. I guess they could have made the buildup shorter, but it wouldn't have really made sense for Monika to lose her patience earlier than she did.

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 No.14047

>>13928

Eh, I'd recommend an Ice-Pick Lodge game, or, hell, one of those humble old games like Irisu Syndrome way over Doki-Doki Literature Club.

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File: 5167746534159d0⋯.png (26.14 KB,314x575,314:575,Course Fields.png)

 No.14041 [Open thread]

Operation Information Liberation *CROSSPOST*

>Original Post

>https://8ch.net/pol/res/11205392.html#11205721

The online digital age has rendered institutionalized education obsolete and has left them exposed as the detriments to society that they have become. Colleges no longer exist to educate, but to indoctrinate. And to add insult to injury, we're paying through the nose for the right to have our youth brainwashed against us by these narcissistic ingrates.

No More.

This is a project that, in time, will be cross-posted across numerous boards, platforms & media, taking participation from numerous communities with Truth being our guiding light and uniting purpose. This project is designed to provide and highlight alternatives to mainstream universities, or at least offer an inoculation against the Marxist intellectual contagion perpetuated by these Institutions of Higher Indoctrination. For the fields that can't just be done online, and require some sort of hard infrastructure, like a chemistry lab, we may want to consider utilizing, or copying the Maker Space route of community educational facilities.

We will need to find alternatives to accreditation.

This project will also need an accompanying meme campaign to get Normans, especially in the hiring class to associate a traditional college degree with risk. Risk that the person will be some sort of entitled SJW. Risk that they may file false sexual harassment claims (Humungus). Risk that they may be incompetent at their job.

The Class of 2018 graduates in May. I imagine high-schools will be having college days, fliers, trips, speakers, recruiters, field days, etc throughout March and April. When that begins, I'd like to see this project ready enough to print out business cards with the links and downloads for all the resources and content we'll be compiling.

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 No.14042

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=R3Ovrhrf9BQ - Jack Otto - Forbidden Knowledge

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=j800SVeiS5I - In Shadow - A Modern Oddesey

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=PRdcZSuCpNo - 7 Days of DeepMind A.I.

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=cRuKmxQSPSw - Dutch Banker Ronald Bernard - Interview

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=sD33byzG2jc - Behold a Pale Horse - AudioBook

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=VL_7nAIa0Cg - Bloodlines of Illuminate - AudioBook

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=fj-10lIrboM - Tool - Right In Two

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=icAjo9VXKZU - Protocol Of The Elders Of Zion

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=e0C_qG5U7pE - Black Ops, Cody Snodgres, Operator Comes Forward And Tells All

https://www.hooktube.com/user/MrTeslonian - Mr Teslonian - Alternative Energy & Technology

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 No.14043

>Maker Media

Dunno what a 3D printing / Popular Mechanics magazine advertisement has to do with literary interests. I guess we can let things sit for a bit and see what people have to say?

Their past magazine issues are available in the usual sharing locations. There is that.

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File: aeb13caf44ab2ee⋯.jpg (15.65 KB,232x298,116:149,lao zi.jpg)

 No.14000 [Open thread]

A-asking for a friend uwu

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 No.14024

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File: a9d44af952db83f⋯.pdf (1.04 MB,David_Benatar_-_Better_Nev….pdf)

 No.14011 [Open thread]

Can anyone experienced with calibre please turn this into a decent mobi for my old shit ereader ? I keep trying but the paragraphs get fucked and there's a lot of space between lines.

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 No.14012

I ain't no ebook typesettin wiz. I'll give it a shot. Check back tomorrow.

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File: c6f2bff02baf446⋯.jpg (197.14 KB,300x501,100:167,Endymion_cover.jpg)

File: a6c75fde77d749c⋯.png (216.55 KB,259x394,259:394,the rise of endymion.png)

 No.13364 [Open thread]

up /lit/. I read pics related, and while they were decent scifi adventure romps (Hyperion and The Fall of Hyperion, in contrast, were spectacular imo), the romance between the two main characters really stuck with me.

Since then, I've been wondering what other books, classic or modern, have a truly engaging love story.

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 No.13956

>>13955

Books contain pointless pages and chapters all the time.

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 No.13957

>>13954

I wasn't talking about save/load. Pretty much every visual novel allows you to scroll back through text that you've already read past. Save/load is more like a bookmark.

>It's even worse that typically the visuals are not redundant, but they are used so that the text can focus on the characters' ceaseless yapping.

I'm talking about the medium itself, not typically bad writing. I completely agree that the writing is typically bad, and I think it's a waste of a medium that has some great potential.

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 No.13960

>>13953

I just finished it. I enjoyed it.

Part of me wants to doubt your claim about nips since the plot feels very inspired by the first HakoMari book, but that didn't really have the "meta" element, so you still may be right.

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 No.14004

>>13957

It's not the writing, it's that the intention of the writing is related to emotions and other personal things which the reader cannot participate in, no matter what they say about empathy for fictional things.

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 No.14006

>>14004

I don't understand what your point is. How is that different from normal novels?

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File: f0b702b20f76d04⋯.jpg (80.1 KB,800x450,16:9,scomfy-dog.jpg)

 No.13917 [Open thread]

Okay /lit/ I get two extra random books at Barnes and Noble what say you?

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 No.13918

Oh. Wow. Are they, like, still in business?

Maybe I'm thinking of Boarders. It's been a hellofa long time since I stepped foot into a B&N though.

Two items? First suggestions, for the good of the board:

>>13855

1. The She-Devils by Pierre Louÿs.

2. Disagreeable Tales by Léon Bloy.

My personal suggestions:

1. United States: Essays 1952-1992 by Gore Vidal.

2. Against the Day by Thomas Pynchon.

For the lulz:

1. Storm and Echo by Frederic Prokosch. (Tongue in cheek shaggy retelling of Heart of Darkness by Conrad. It only really flies if you've already read HoD.)

2. Duluth by Gore Vidal. (Vidal strikes back at Pynchon specifically, and post-modernism in general, with this Alexander Pope inspired beatum stick.)

Fun from left field:

1. Any two non-pornographic furry SciFi novels by Paul Lucas.

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 No.13920

Wait, Barnes and Nobles sells books?

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 No.14002

lol I'm banned from there

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File: 499ad5194c1618d⋯.pdf (542.21 KB,Federico Garcia Lorca - Se….pdf)

File: 8b88b2e653f7f39⋯.pdf (908.69 KB,Cien anos de soledad.pdf)

 No.13592 [Open thread]

Post suggestions for Spanish and Latin American poetry and literature. I've been digging Federico Garcia Lorca and Gabriel Garcia Marquez.

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 No.13713

>>13592

>One hundred anus of solitude

ññññññññññññññññññññññññññ

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 No.13723

>>13713

I'm sorry, I don't use an international keyboard and can't be bothered to copy and paste.

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 No.13760

>how can universe be real if mirrors are real

Please explain Borges to me.

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 No.13785

>>13760

It's overrated sudaquian shit.

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 No.13996

Bolaño my blue chilean boy

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 No.13990 [Open thread]

yo this board is lit af fam

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 No.13991

We doin a'ight, all things considered.

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File: 16be7fdbe4d7bca⋯.jpg (30.99 KB,506x401,506:401,smeagol.jpg)

 No.13761 [Open thread]

Whats the best order to read Tolkien's work in if you're already familar and have read the hobbit before and some of lotr

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 No.13764

I imagine finishing LoTR would be a good start. Though, with the movies you only need to read Silmarillion for the shitposting.

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 No.13771

>>13761

>some of lotr

Finish the damn books. Then read either Children of Hurin or Silmarillion, whichever is more your speed.

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 No.13979

This might be a dead thread but does anyone else have a love hate relationship with the Hobbit?

I enjoy reading most of it but I think the barrels sequence took me out of it. Idk it seemed dumb.

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 No.13982

>>13979

I found the barrels scene fine. The Hobbit is a lighthearted fairy-tale children's story at its core.

Did you see the lotr films before reading it? There's a bit of a feedback loop in the cultural consciousness that muddy's the distinct tones of each book imo.

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 No.13986

>>13982

Yeah I've seen the Lotr films and the first two Hobbit ones. Couldn't say I enjoyed the Hobbit ones. Didn't realize how much Jackson butchered it.

>The Hobbit is a lighthearted fairy-tale children's story at its core.

Yeah it's not as devolved as Tolkien's other works because I don't think he expected it to be successful enough for a sequel.

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File: f927ef99e22f898⋯.jpg (78.67 KB,960x545,192:109,IMG_20180101_140608.jpg)

 No.13975 [Open thread]

Does anyone have a PDF of the Arthur Waley version of this story? aka Monkey by Arthur Waley? Unable to find it, sadly. Thank You.

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File: 11d50a75edfe0be⋯.jpg (39.92 KB,451x502,451:502,113.jpg)

 No.13570 [Open thread]

Anyone have any experience self publishing on the kindle store? Did you make any money off of it? How does one be succesful at it?

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 No.13623

>>13619

>You know, …

Were it up to me, I woulda wrote things as "Quantitty is Quality" straight off. Maybe this time around? I wanna leave things as they is for the moment, in all that historadical glory, for anons to study.

>nu uh, fuck you

Loves you too, babe.

Loves you long time.

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 No.13624

>>13618

How much money did you make?

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 No.13648

Related to this thread topic, does anyone have experience submitting to magazines, or genre compendiums or the like?

Any advice on where to get started there?

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 No.13658

>>13624

I am the top rated self publishing author on Amazon and have pulled in millions? Or, just beer and pretzels scratch. Place your bets.

>>13648

Find some publication that interests you. Examine a few recent issues, read everything. Write something like that and submit. Submit exactly as they instruct you to do so. As a suggestion, take a look at these guys:

>>13525

You can read some of their product on their webpage. They're trolling imageboards for submissions. What's not to like?

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 No.13973

Considering there are experienced writers on fiverr willing to write a complete ebook for like $20-50, for you to publish as your own, they must know this will earn them more money than publishing the ebook themselves. Also considering there are 4 active people on this /lit/ board at the moment, unfortunately it seems no one gives a damn about books anymore.

I'm not saying don't write. But don't write tripe that's beneath you because you think you'll get rich.

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 No.13855 [Open thread]

Hello fellow literati, I'm interested in literature from the Decadent movement from the turn of the 19th century. Most of these masterpieces were inaccessible to the English speaking world until recently. The English translations, however, are copyrighted.

Two works that caught my interest are:

The She-Devils by Pierre Louÿs

Disagreeable Tales by Léon Bloy

These erotic novels are best in their class.

I would like to read anonymously so purchasing them is not an option. Could I ask a kind soul to buy and liberate these ebooks? Upload them here and I will add them to libgen to make them available for everyone.

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 No.13881

bump

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 No.13899

File: db2180eb9716257⋯.jpg (158.8 KB,791x1024,791:1024,A E S T H E T I C.jpg)

>>13855

Bump for interest

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 No.13965

benis

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File: 1d37c5e29ea0cd4⋯.jpg (72.92 KB,600x600,1:1,_9801869_orig.jpg)

 No.13951 [Open thread]

Hello /lit/.

Growing up, I never played piano or anything like that, but recently I've become interesting in making music on FL Studio etc.

I've noticed that I'm only just flailing about, trying blindly to find things that seem to work, and I realize that I could work much better if I had a fundamental knowledge of music theory.

Is there an already-constructed reading list for music theory? If not could you recommend me a few books or manuals to understand how to write and produce music?

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 No.13959

File: a22f123e9e3c21e⋯.jpg (120.26 KB,839x691,839:691,C7fU_1BVAAAqhCd.jpg)

File: 091bdb5d5929a23⋯.jpg (138 KB,1002x832,501:416,The earliest surviving col….jpg)

File: ad0f76b01f1d9b9⋯.jpg (1.81 MB,1736x1226,868:613,Berthold Furtmeyr (active ….jpg)

File: 8501d0eb6fd57c2⋯.jpg (334.83 KB,1500x985,300:197,Boer Prisoners 1900-1902 i….jpg)

perhaps >>>/mu/ will be of better help

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File: 83b495ecb0a2f03⋯.jpg (20.7 KB,257x388,257:388,BerenLuthien.jpg)

 No.13909 [Open thread]

Is it good? Should I get it as an xmas present for someone who enjoys Tolkien?

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 No.13915

>>13913

Eat shit, m8; I've got the best taste.

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 No.13916

>>13915

I bet u dont

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 No.13919

>>13915

No I is best tasting man.

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 No.13944

>>13912

>Christopher writing fanfiction and publishing it under his father's name for franchise shekels

>good

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 No.13947

>>13915

Nobody has better taste than me, believe me

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File: c2b9b7d1f7a3ea4⋯.png (65.92 KB,525x626,525:626,The Yellow Emperor.png)

 No.13898 [Open thread]

Are there any comprehensive books on Chinese mythology? Every book I've come across on the subject apparently doesn't even scratch the surface according to reviews on them. Is there anything like Edith Hamilton's Mythology, but for China?

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 No.13926

>>13925

>tell us which ones you like and we'll give you the books

Could you recommend some that you're into, anon?

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 No.13929

>>13925

I didn't realize Chinese mythology was so broad. I guess something about the very earliest legends. Like the Chinese creation myth.

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 No.13934

>>13926

>>13929

I'm not an expert believe it or not, the closest thing I'd know of is the I Ching, but that's not the earliest nor the most influential, I simply stated the logic in OP's statement it flawed.

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 No.13942

>>13898

>Creation of the Gods.

King Zhou vs Jiang Taigong and Nezha. Epic War

>White Snake, Green Snake

Commoner's Belief

>Four Great Classics

Has a few paragraphs each about to the Myths.

Chinese mythology are not lost to history unlike the European (Greek, Celtic and Norse) that died to Christianity, so a very comprehensive books is impossible. Better to read literature instead. The link describe some of it well.

http://www.demystifyingconfucianism.info/the-creation-of-lesser-gods

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 No.13943

>>13898

http://www.demystifyingconfucianism.info/confucius-laozi-Daoism-and-Buddhism

This link show why books on Chinese Mythology can only scratched the surface because basically:

>"There are usually discrepancies between a religion understood by scholars and the religion practiced by common people."

Asian religions do not have a unified canon like the Abrahamic religions, they have many folk belief, different books, different customs and an important taboo in one area may be considered normal in another.

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