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 No.13898 [Open thread]

Are there any comprehensive books on Chinese mythology? Every book I've come across on the subject apparently doesn't even scratch the surface according to reviews on them. Is there anything like Edith Hamilton's Mythology, but for China?

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 No.13926

>>13925

>tell us which ones you like and we'll give you the books

Could you recommend some that you're into, anon?

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 No.13929

>>13925

I didn't realize Chinese mythology was so broad. I guess something about the very earliest legends. Like the Chinese creation myth.

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 No.13934

>>13926

>>13929

I'm not an expert believe it or not, the closest thing I'd know of is the I Ching, but that's not the earliest nor the most influential, I simply stated the logic in OP's statement it flawed.

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 No.13942

>>13898

>Creation of the Gods.

King Zhou vs Jiang Taigong and Nezha. Epic War

>White Snake, Green Snake

Commoner's Belief

>Four Great Classics

Has a few paragraphs each about to the Myths.

Chinese mythology are not lost to history unlike the European (Greek, Celtic and Norse) that died to Christianity, so a very comprehensive books is impossible. Better to read literature instead. The link describe some of it well.

http://www.demystifyingconfucianism.info/the-creation-of-lesser-gods

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 No.13943

>>13898

http://www.demystifyingconfucianism.info/confucius-laozi-Daoism-and-Buddhism

This link show why books on Chinese Mythology can only scratched the surface because basically:

>"There are usually discrepancies between a religion understood by scholars and the religion practiced by common people."

Asian religions do not have a unified canon like the Abrahamic religions, they have many folk belief, different books, different customs and an important taboo in one area may be considered normal in another.

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 No.9962 [Open thread]

I really struggle to follow whats going on unless its Keats. Every poem I read, from Homer to Goethe, I get completely lost or feel like i'm not experiencing their full potential.

What should I do lit? Is there some interpretative technique I should use? Do I "get gud"? Is it just about experiencing the prose and ideas the author is weaving and I should just relax? Should I just read more poems and get used to how they are written?

Pic related, not sure if its strictly a poem but its my personal final boss

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 No.10087

>>10071

It's really a feeling thing you have to have a brain for.

I don't mean that as any sort of insult, but a lot of people don't have that intrinsic understanding of the art of words that poets have. Writers use words, and even use them well, but poets understand words, understand structure, and even understand arrangement on a level that a pure novelist can't. It's almost a synesthetic thing, where you can feel what is right as you're writing. When I was younger and just getting into poetry, most of the people around me didn't get it either, but once I picked it up, I couldn't help but tap along to the really good stuff. To this day I still can't really satisfactorily explain it, but people notice in my work and tell me on the rare occasions I break rhythm.

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 No.10094

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>>10087

>a lot of people don't have that intrinsic understanding of the art of words that poets have

As a writer (pfff, who here isn't), I will attest and agree to that.

Poets – unless they're into epic poetry – are generally agonising over a few hundred words and get to carefully construct sentences with very, very purposefully chosen words and pronunciation of those words.

Lit' writers care about the words, but they've got 80-100,000 of the fuckers to put on the page, so they're not going to construct every sentence with so much care to worry about morae and meter, but they will spend time refining the way words hang together and how sentences "flow".

We genre writers, on the other hand, generally don't give a fuck so long as readers understand the pretty scene or character we're painting with those words. kinda

To wit, I have maxi respect for poets. You lot have a skill I will never master.

tl;dr?

Poets are the true wordsmiths. Genre writers are storytellers. Lit' writers masturbate on the fence in between.

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 No.13853

>>9962

Does this also happen while reading Kipling?

Or Carroll (The Hunting of the Snark)?

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 No.13897

>>9962

Poetry generally is meant to provoke emotion rather than convey an idea. It's more akin to music than prose in it's goal.

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 No.13933

>>10094

>Genre writers

>Lit' writers

The fuck is the difference? Is it that one of them knows how to write charismatic prose and the other one doesn't? Stop being lazy.

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 No.7887 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

Anna Karenina.

This is easily the worst book that I've ever read. After reading a A Hero of Our Time, I was quite certain that Russian literature would be amazing. And while the books I've read have had their ups and downs, this is by far the worst of them all.

The characters are bland and uninteresting. There is virtually no development, and most importantly, there is no major protagonist to follow. This would work well, if it were executed in a matter such that there were multiple perspectives. But instead, we simply spread it all out thin. Levin might have been alright if he wasn't a complete idiot. Anna might have been alright if she wasn't a emotional wreck. But no, they're both what they are, and neither are interesting to follow.

This novel is considered a fucking masterpiece, and yet even a book about a beetle eating through a tree would be less boring than this piece of shit. Worst of all, unlike most other shit novels which have the courtesy to be short, this book drags on and on, sucking away time and energy.

Tolstoy hated fucking trains, but you know what? I love them now. Because a train is what ended this fucking novel. That train is the real, unsung hero of this story. It's a shame he only shows up a few times.

What novels have pissed you off? Double bonus points if they're considered "masterpieces" by fools.

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 No.13851

>>7887

>The characters are bland and uninteresting. There is virtually no development, and most importantly, there is no major protagonist to follow. This would work well, if it were executed in a matter such that there were multiple perspectives. But instead, we simply spread it all out thin. Levin might have been alright if he wasn't a complete idiot. Anna might have been alright if she wasn't a emotional wreck. But no, they're both what they are, and neither are interesting to follow.

Then it would have no point whatsoever. TBH, it does need some context.

>>8206

>Can't understand all the Finnegans Wake and Dickens hate ITT, both are masterful.

Yes, but also with requirements.

Silmarillion is not for everyone, and The Gilded Age is not for everyone, and so on.

Even pacing is YMMV - if it's not what you enjoy, you'll drop the book, and quality of writing won't help. I liked The Pickwick Papers, but a lot of people probably will drop it just because of soap opera pacing, no matter how witty it is.

And readers used to Hobbit at best and "Die Hard On Chamberpot - The Outhouse Saga book XXIII" grade pulp at worst may have troubles getting through a book written for contemplative reading at leisure and/or branching arcs all the time.

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 No.13864

>>11480

Funny you mention Nabokov.

Pale Fire was a chore to read, utter trash.

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 No.13891

pretty much anything by Bertrand Russel or neo-Frankfurtian types. absolute garbage.

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 No.13892

>>13384

late blooming homosexual

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 No.13930

>>12054

man fuck u lol, i loved that book when i read it.

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 No.13886 [Open thread]

so I'm on chapter 3 of Leviathan, did he write anything else worth checking out? also how do you think he compares to Aristotle and Plato in terms of political literature?

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 No.13895

wow this place is inactive af. READ MOAR BOOKS

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 No.13896

Oh I'm about halfway through.

It isn't as straight to the point really and waffles on a lot about English laws and such.

It's pretty good but no comparison the the OG's though.

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 No.13902

I find myself more compatible with him than Aristotle. Plato is good though. Aristotle at least believed democracy is best achieved though homogeny

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 No.13854 [Open thread]

I'm writing a script for a video review of what has to be one of the worst series of books ever written. It's not the worst because nothing has infuriated me more in writing than this, to actually motivate me to make a video on it.

The series in question?

The Land.

>The Land?

That's the actual name, the author is so lazy they couldn't even come up with a decent name. But that's not all, there's so much in this garbage fire.

Marry Sue main character who gets so much advantage right at the start of the story that it makes the Self Insert obvious, a power structure literally handed to him by killing a couple of goblins that makes him the power of not only magic but MASTERY over several schools of it, overly convenient plot elements, stakes that ultimately lead to nothing because it's like the author usually forgets about them since the MC's power creep is way too fast for them to even matter or can be simply handwaved and brought back up in minor passing to being completely forgotten, cliff hangers that ultimately lead to nothing but also are complete letdowns because the MC can handwaved them away, a bafflingly confusing skill system that always conveniently favors the MC, writing that relies heavily on not only dead memes but incredibly unfunny ones MC kills a fox, screams "What does the fox say" along with cringy writing to make the sounds I shit you not and there's even more memeshit ahead clearly stollen elements from Skyrim

>Don't you mean The Elder Scrolls?

No I shit you not he just rips off Skyrim.

This is just part of the shitty writing but one thing, the author's main crutch, is his use of what some would think a minor skill but he turned into a page-filling, same information repeating skill called "Analyze" which the author abuses to no end and cheats in literary terms to explain how the MC would know other characters names without ever talking to them. Worst is that he "Upgrades" the skill to also include useless stats of characters and he's not shy of filling it all in over and over.

Oh yeah, stats, did I mention they don't matter? Percentages, plusses and minuses all don't matter because the author can't write for them,Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.13860

>>13854

Oho! I see yet another series was made available for free by the usual suspects in the typical locations. I suppose I could give volume one a skimming over.

Peering backwards across the never-never lands of distant memory once again, I recall hitting a brick wall with Dragonlance. Knowing full well what an experience these works can be when they capture your attention, I don't look down on the genera, nor the people who read them. Purported stylistic failings aside, I've had severe problems engaging with never ending fantasy epics from high school on. I expect no difference here.

In thinking about LitRPG I realized I am familiar with the form, if not the term. Fallout: Equestria is one. Brandon Sanderson's noted as being all into this with Mistborn, yes?

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 No.13861

>>13860

I think someone posted about these things before with some stories about martial arts and magic.

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 No.13862

>LitRPG

The genre seems absurdly pointless, but I've seen something similar in no-games /tg/ faggots writing obviously fake recap greentext stories about games they never had.

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 No.13866

>>13856

"LitRPG" is something new I've found in my current research. It's literally just writing about things with RPG aspects and a sub genre of RPG. It has potential but this guy is touting he's the "Father of LitRPG" which he soon changed to "Father of Western LitRPG" after being called out that Japanese writers had already made it, but the title is still pure cringe.

I thank you for your support on my project

>>13857

You're right! I completely forgot about Log Horizon and Konosuba, those are actually really good examples because they try to make sense of their world's rules

>>13860

I was thinking of Dragonlance books too, I've got quite a few of them from the Legend of Huma and so on, but it doesn't really fit the criteria I need it to.

>>13862

It is kind of pointless but with stuff like Delvers LLC it shows amazing potential.

I'm going to be starting my third re-read of the five "The Land" books I pirated after getting a refund for the first. I'll be checking back for more help and advice

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 No.13875

>>13866

I'm back and I found another series. I think I've found the final piece to my puzzle in bringing this all together.

On a hunch, I found a book called "NPCs" and I thought it was going to be a generic book.

How glad I was to be wrong! This book was awesome!

It starts out with a group of TTG player characters stupidly dying by poisoning themselves so a group of NPC have to assume their identities or risk having their entire town wiped out by a mad king.

It doesn't make sense, but thats all I can give or risk spoiling the entire plot, but it's worth the read.

So my checklist is as follows:

>Read and reread the entirety of the NPCs series (So far 3 books with a fourth announced) and take notes

>Re-read through both Delvers LLC and Video Game Plotline Tester series (Third book in VGPT is coming out January) while taking careful notes

>For "diversity" go through Log Horizon and Konosuba with notes, take SAO as well to show that there are downsides there as well

>Finally, go through the first five books of tThe Land" series. actually finish book 5 despite the headache I seem to get whenever going through it, and take my notes. *Perhaps if I just do it through Audiobook exclusively I can alleviate the pain**

>Script the review then record

>Gather assets for review

>Edit audio to flow and have a buddy of mine do the video

This might take a couple months, but wish me luck!

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 No.13874 [Open thread]

>This is an illustration of C.S Lewis’ article published in the British magazine called 'The Spectator' on 27 August 1943. The Spectator was a weekly magazine and is the oldest continuously published magazine in the English language

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 No.13868 [Open thread]

So I used to be a very good reader, and although I still am able to read reasonably difficult books (except pretentious shit like James Joyce who I despise), this past year I probably only read like 200 pages overall, never progressing more than 30 pages or so into any single book before putting them down for months.

I recently stopped masturbating for a few days and found my concentration to be greatly increased. Although I have done no-fap before and determined it was almost entirely a placebo/had no effect on confidence or really anything, I do think it (being nofap) decreases hedonistic urges and short term pleasure seeking. Because of this abstinence I was able to truly enjoy "Ride the Tiger" for 2 hours today before I started to feel jittery. Normally I could only last like 10 minutes before getting restless.

So, I think to read better,

1. abstain from masturbation

2. get comfy

3. avoid distractions, maybe listen to some very faint ambient music

4. I think low blood pressure helps, as might also low resting heart rate. My heart rate used to be 50 beats per minute a few years ago but now is closer to 60 or even 70, which I think is why I have a harder time concentrating.

5. When you start a particular book, read it for an extended period of time to "get into" it.

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 No.13914

>>13868

>5. When you start a particular book, read it for an extended period of time to "get into" it.

this has never worked for me. I usually have to take a break every half an hour, or so, or i will start loosing my ability to concentrate.

I also like to choose a goal when I am reading a book (for example: read 1 chapter every day). If you are reading non-fiction/textbook, then make notes after you have read a chapter/section. If you own the book, you can also underline stuff. And finally, I have heard many people recommend a book called How To Read a Book by Mortimer Adler

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 No.13995

>>13868

> Pretentious shit like James Joyce

Like you are not trying to sound educated nor edgy

>HEY GUYS LOOK AT ME IM BEYOND ONE OF THE GREATEST WRITERS OF MY TIME

Stoped reading there fagget

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 No.14343

The best tip to read is to not focus on the amount of pages you've read, but to simply try to understand the material you are reading .

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 No.14512

>>13868

create productive habits for yourself. read in one particular spot, drink tea/coffee everytime. Commit to not using your phone. Grab a paper dictionary if need be. I prefer reading in coffee shops, but ya that's just me

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 No.13867 [Open thread]

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 No.13870

Presumably this would be a story challenging to square/normie ethics. Seems we will never know.

"403 Forbidden"

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 No.13791 [Open thread]

What does /lit/ think of House of Leaves? I'm thinking about reading it. I checked out some reviews, but I'm not too sure.

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 No.13807

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I heard it was originally published online. Where is that version available?

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 No.13811

>>13791

i grabbed it from the library a few months back, its pretty wild.

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 No.13830

>>13791

it's actually next on my list, I'll let you know when I finish it.

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 No.13846

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>>13830

thanks bro

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 No.13863

>>13791

It's shit. As a novel it sucks, there is no meaning. However, the way it was written (footnotes, references, etc) gives it a nice feel of insanity. But lack of payoff makes it worthless to me. If you don't mind literally nothing as an ending, and nothing making sense, you will enjoy it.

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 No.10045 [Open thread]

So I'm at this yard sale and they have just piles of free books, so naturally I flip through and just take anything that looks good either content-wise or aesthetically. I found a bunch of pretty stock junk, but this one book caught my eye and I had to save it.

I cut in front of this little white trash kid who was throwing shit around and grabbed it, it wasn't till I got home I looked through it and saw what it was. Apparently some prisoner in the Colorado State Penitentiary wrote it and published it in the late 30's, and it isn't bad, but beyond that I have nothing. The internet only has one copy listed as existing, but beyond that I have nothing on the guy or the circumstances of publication, anyone got any clues?

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 No.10047

Very rare; however, the quoted price to obtain a copy is only $125. Basically worth a modest night about town. A nice find, but not something to quit your day job over.

What you could do is to perform some high quality digitizing/photocopying. From that you would OCR and rebind it into an ebook (or present the photocopies to someone who knows how to do all that). Then upload it, preferably to a service that grants you credit for original uploads.

If you happen to be a writer, you might prefer to hang onto it for study. Keep it as a source of private inspiration. Save it for the grandchildren to cash in on.

Otherwise, to make something more out of this find you would have to speak to an experienced used book dealer.

Whatever you do, take your time and think it though. Do not rush into anything.

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 No.10056

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>>10045

>mmmmm, those sideways photos

ಠ_ಠ

>The fuck did I just find /lit/?

"Mein Kampf" the picturebook edition?

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 No.10088

>>10056

I didn't take them sideways, and they weren't sideways in my gallery… -_-

>Fix your site Kikewheels

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 No.10092

>>10088

Your gallery on your phone?

Yeah, see, your phone knows the orientation the photo was taken at and rotates the pic accordingly for viewing.

The actual image file is sideways because you turned your phone "sideways" to take the picture.

>smartphones: too fucking smart for their own good

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 No.13833

>>10045

I would keep it as an art object if nothing else

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 No.10370 [Open thread]

Is L. Ron Hubbard respected as a science fiction writer?

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 No.10379

>>10375

Tom Cruise pls

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 No.10413

no

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 No.10414

>>10413

but i respect him as a tax evader and scam artist.

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 No.13436

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 No.13832

>>10414

I agree with this

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 No.13797 [Open thread]

ITT books with this specific kind of kino: implicitly white young adolescents discovering each other in an erotic or crypto-erotic 1960's dreamscape. I've already read Ada or Ardor, is there any other lit like this.

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 No.13808

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Interesting thread topic - and I've been mulling over for a few days books that would fit your rarified "kino" and am left perplexed.

My take on Ada or Ardor, which I read earlier this year, was quite different from yours. The young adolescent discovery of eros seemed a relatively minor stratum of this work covering as the book did the whole lifespan of the major characters. To me the focus of the book was Nabokov's usual beat, the Russian prince libertine, teenage girls, incest, butterflies and arboreta, growing old - a fantasy on the lives of the privileged few that pervades most of his work.

The 60s dreamscape? Sure it was written in the late 60s, but in my view Ada wasn't a 60s' fantasy - Nabokov had been exploring all this for decades. He's the classic ephebophiliac (for the female sex)

But have you read Robert Rimmer's The Harrad Experiment? I haven't read this since the 60s when it was written but it made a profound impression on me about the "free love" prevalent in those times and, although not such an idyl as Ada and maybe the characters are not quite young enough for your criterion, but Harrad explores the 60s' sensual development of young people in a speculative, uptopian manner which you may find of interest.

I'd be most curious to read of any other anon's suggestions for this thread, too.

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 No.13829

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The closest thing I can think of are some paintings by Balthus, they have the erotic/crypto-erotic aspect and a surreal atmosphere, though not the 1960's bit. It sounds like you're looking for something rather particular. I don't know if you'll find what you're looking for, sex has become kind of passe in the last 50 years in literature.

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 No.13821 [Open thread]

"Great abuses in the world are begotten … imposing upon the world … penetrate into what it is to believe … playing with cats …"

Read it. Still don't get it. Isn't this motherfucker supposed to be a beacon of clarity?

The fuck is a Raimond Sebond and why does it piss everyone off?

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 No.13827

>>13821

>…

>Great abuses in the world are begotten, or, to speak more boldly, all the abuses of the world are begotten, by our being taught to be afraid of professing our ignorance, and that we are bound to accept all things we are not able to refute: we speak of all things by precepts and decisions. The style at Rome was that even that which a witness deposed to having seen with his own eyes, and what a judge determined with his most certain knowledge, was couched in this form of speaking: “it seems to me.” They make me hate things that are likely, when they would impose them upon me as infallible.

Book II, Ch. 12: Apology for Raimond Sebond

I can't find the other quotes, but next time you want to shitpost, consider necking yourself.

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 No.11717 [Open thread]

What's a good lightweight or minimalist writing program for Windows? Shit like MS Word and LibreOffice Writer are so bloated.

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 No.13690

I use FocusWriter. It's a bit more featured than Q10 (which I also like). I like the customisable backgrounds, and it has spellcheck and other text formatting shit like italics and whatnot because it can save to .odt and all this shit if you want to turn it on, but you ccn set it up to be the most basic command-line looking text editor with no "help" at all.

And the word/page count and daily goal features are great.

>>13350

I remember opening Notepad++ one day and it opened a new document all by itself and started slowly typing out this political message. I don't need fucking politics injected in to a goddamn text editor.

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 No.13693

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 No.13792

>>13693

learn to use vim you brainless cunt

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 No.13819

>>13792

and then use evil

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 No.13820

I have focuswriter on linux and I remember there was a very similar one in windows 10 about 2 years ago.

If you do a general search through the windows appstore you should be able to find it.

I remember it was this blank space with a blue background (you had a few to choose from I think) and it had the option for relaxin music too but I cannot remember the name.

Anyway apparently focus writer can be used on windows:

https://focuswriter.en.softonic.com/

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 No.13546 [Open thread]

What books are you plebs reading?

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 No.13794

I've put it off for about 8 years now but I'm finally almost finished with The Idiot. I regret putting off some other books until I finish it, especially ones that are referenced in The Idiot itself, but this book has taunted me for nearly a decade.

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 No.13796

>>13794

I made it to the halfway mark in The Idiot when I was staying at a monestary. I will probably finish it in a few years from now. Really delicate character studies therein.

Yes this is pleb tier reading but I've been reading Crime and Punishment for almost a decade. I just cherish Raskolnikov so much. I don't really even want to know what happens to him. I usually stop reading afte /that/ happens. I just love the descriptions of how fucked everything is in the whole city. It's great.

Also thumbing through Kafka's Castle. I did not understand a word of it the first time I read it, but this time I have an entirely different view because I've actually been through Beurocracy Hell.

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 No.13805

>>13546

I'm balancing two books currently;

Legendary Blue Smoke by Philip H. Faber – decent enough, a fun light read.

Finneganns Wake by James Joyce – remarkably fun, though I only read two pages(or so) at a time, it really energizes my willingness to language.

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 No.13817

>>13796

The Idiot didn't really click for me until I read a quote from Dostoevsky about it, which I found on the back of an older copy of the book:

>The chief idea of the novel is to portray the positively good man. There is nothing in the world more difficult to do, and especially now. All writers… who have tried to portray the positively good man have always failed… The good is an ideal, but this ideal, both ours and that of civilized Europe, is still far from having been worked out. There is only one positively good man in the world - Christ.

It's amazing I can't find this quote online.

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 No.16886

>> 13793

Arthur C. Clarke wrote 2001 friend. I hope you receive this in 2017.

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