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How do you write FOR women Anonymous 08/03/16 (Wed) 03:49:52 No.10722 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

I've been watching sex and the city with my GF, and besides of being awful, I've tracked some major tropes that, I think, are present in almost every piece of fiction written by and for women. I've seen it anywhere from the hunger games to like water for chocolate.

So… my question: How do you write for women? I want to write a book, maybe chick-lit tier, and see if I can dupe a publisher into thinking I'm a chick.

ITT enumerate the themes, tropes, treatments, tones and everything that a woman would do when writing for women. So far, I've found these general approximations:

1. The main conflict -almost always- is between structured security vs. chaotic security. More often than not this thing boils down to a romantic competition. Choosing between the player or the sweet responsible guy. Or some such variation of the same theme.

2. The relationship between the principal (female) character and secondary (female) characters is one of veiled competition. Women hate even their closest friends.

3. Dresses and hairdos and such stuff become important. A dress can become a plot point. Yes, even in serious literature.

4. Feeling are everything.

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Anonymous 03/13/18 (Tue) 15:37:17 No.14172

your post is so pretentious, but good god I truly fucking hate women. My hatred for women was flared up so intesnely reading your post it distracted me from your gross pretension

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Anonymous 03/13/18 (Tue) 18:22:07 No.14174

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>1. The main conflict -almost always- is between structured security vs. chaotic security. More often than not this thing boils down to a romantic competition. Choosing between the player or the sweet responsible guy. Or some such variation of the same theme.

>2. The relationship between the principal (female) character and secondary (female) characters is one of veiled competition. Women hate even their closest friends.

>3. Dresses and hairdos and such stuff become important. A dress can become a plot point. Yes, even in serious literature.

>4. Feeling are everything.

Literally pic related. Scarlett is so much smarter and more fashionable than literally every other woman in the world and all men are stupid idiots and all want to bone Scarlett. The only man in the world who's good enough for Scarlett is a nice guy and he's madly in love with her but for some reason marries his obviously inferior cousin instead. So Scarlett marries some beta and sets out on a lifelong quest to ruin dozens of lives just to spite the guy she actually likes. She's a selfish cunt and a neglectful mother but that's actually a good thing because she's sticking it to the evil sexist society. She spends half the book eloping with some bad boy smuggler and eventually takes him as her third husband, but because she's still lusting after the nice guy and being a horrible person the bad boy starts to whither away and die on the inside until eventually he just fucks off and tells her she can fuck the nice guy if she wants because he's literally incapable of giving a fuck anymore. Of course at this point Scarlett realizes she actually loved the bad boy all along and begs him to love her again, but his life has already been ruined by her so he leaves her all alone to wallow in her cuntery. The book ends with Scarlett plotting to manipulate her way out of this situation, and most likely ruin dozens more lives in the process. But that's totally a good thing.

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Anonymous 03/16/18 (Fri) 04:26:02 No.14192

>>10742

How does Orange is the New Black compare to OZ?

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Anonymous 04/04/18 (Wed) 16:57:26 No.14253

>>14174

How much of that is the female version of the Warlord or Capitalist that is willing to destroy everyone and everything in order to get what they want, but having attained what they desired, merely seek out more of what they cannot have?

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Anonymous 04/29/18 (Sun) 15:14:13 No.14327

>>12386

That could be a great troll novel idea. The entire book having never mentioned that she is a >she, with the final sex scene having a :"then he started sucking my dick". Could be funny.

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Eye Exercises Anonymous 04/21/18 (Sat) 14:45:05 No.14292 [Open thread]

Does anyone have that 1800's book about simply training your eye muscles so that you don't need glasses anymore?

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Anonymous 04/23/18 (Mon) 20:24:30 No.14299

Bit vague, but suspect it's this one

https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL2608002A/W._H._Bates

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Anonymous 04/26/18 (Thu) 22:28:23 No.14315

There's an interesting review of this exercise technique

https://www.bmj.com/content/1/4298/635.2/rr

which tells how Aldous Huxley had read Bates' book, used the exercises to great effect and wrote a look of his own on the topic - The Art of Seeing. You should be able to easily find both these books online for download or torrents

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Anonymous 04/27/18 (Fri) 19:00:32 No.14319

>>14299

Yeah, that's it. I had seen it before and discarded it because it seemed dumb. I figured I'd take another look before just doing lasik.

>>14315

Thanks.

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Anonymous 04/28/18 (Sat) 16:59:57 No.14325

Look up Jack Steiner on YouTube and go to his website endmyopia.com

Worked for me anon, best of luck to you.

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Anonymous 04/27/18 (Fri) 21:13:05 No.14320 [Open thread]

Hi /lit/. I'd like to start writing a few short stories for fun but I've realised I know pretty much nothing about storytelling. Is there a book, a tutorial, a video, something that gives a brief overview of what every writer should know? Sort of like the literary equivalent of anatomy and perspective and colour theory for painters? Should I even worry about this or is it something you just learn by doing it?

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Anonymous 04/27/18 (Fri) 23:36:51 No.14322

>>14320

Definitely learn by doing it. The easiest way to fuck up your own literary development is waste all your energy trying to conform to someone elses literary theories and formulas when you don't know what you're doing. It's much easier to figure out what you're doing wrong than tell you what to do, so the best thing to do is get going.

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Anonymous 04/28/18 (Sat) 08:14:30 No.14323

Don't ruin your fun by starting with theory. Don't think yourself as an aspirant painter educating himself on perspective, or anatomy or colour theory, but as a child with a box crayons. It becomes much easier to learn from others after you have some understanding of turning ideas into stories from practice. And after some writing, reading almost anything becomes a useful learning experience.

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Ready Player One Reader 04/04/18 (Wed) 19:52:47 No.14254 [Open thread]

What did you think of this movie and book?

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Anonymous 04/11/18 (Wed) 22:02:30 No.14271

I've stopped reading at the Wikipedia's synopsis of it. I'm binning it at "didn't read it, didn't like it."

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Anonymous 04/17/18 (Tue) 04:33:33 No.14280

When a novel starts me off by saying that global warming made everything shit I tend to bin it quick. I haven't been able to stand fiction talking about it, not after I read those Maximum Ride books.

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Anonymous 04/17/18 (Tue) 18:11:23 No.14282

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>>14254

I haven't seen the movie, (nor do I plan too), but the book is genuinely one of the worst things I have ever read.

The author's writing is bad but I think the book would have at least been serviceable if he hadn't crammed muh pop culture and entry level politics/social commentary into every other paragraph. He doesn't even try to weave in the references, it's literally just him listing off things then building dialogue around it.

It's popular because the reddit crowd will read it to make it seem like they know cool stuff and enjoy sci fi, it's the same when you see people saying "___ is so lovecraftian xd" and then can't name any of his stories.

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Anonymous 04/21/18 (Sat) 14:47:03 No.14293

>>14282

That's not only more trash than the movie is, it's also even more jewish.

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Anonymous 04/24/18 (Tue) 10:14:39 No.14302

I read the book when I was like 14 and I didn't like it much, but I didn't dislike it neither, yes, now I can look back and see how bad was it, but it's thought to be a book for 12-14 year olds to read whit out effort and easily enjoy it.

About the film, well, I liked it, yes, the script was garbage, but that wasn't the point the point was to make a lot of cool cga shit and come on it was cool.

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Anonymous 03/13/18 (Tue) 15:34:13 No.14171 [Open thread]

>Neuromancer

Is it even worth reading? Why or why not? If not, what's a summary that conveys its major themes and predictive insights

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Anonymous 03/13/18 (Tue) 15:49:06 No.14173

It's in the niche of aged science fiction about the future that it isn't old enough to be historically interesting, but already is too outdated in its assumptions to have any relevance to this day. Might as well read it, as it's not long. And if you are into nounpunks, reading it could help you to stop being a faggot.

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Anonymous 03/14/18 (Wed) 20:57:56 No.14179

Well worth reading, as has been pointed out it's not exactly cutting edge and much of the description of the world has since fallen into genre rote and loses some of its punch. I disagree that its depiction of the future has zero relevance though. The focus with cyberpunk is typically aesthetic and while Gibson has plenty of that, most of Molly's character being a decent example, the book is more about systems of control and surveillance and how enormous and impenetrable these are when juxtaposed with individuals. I don't want to spoil anything but an essay won't convey these ideas as viscerally as the book, which indeed isn't very long.

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Anonymous 03/16/18 (Fri) 11:55:45 No.14194

Yeah, give it a try. Like that guy above said, it is mostly famous for aesthetics. If you like them, you'l like anything he wrote.

Even if Neuromancer makes you roll your eyes, you might like "Virtual Light" and the short stories in "Burning Chrome". I think by the time he wrote Virtual Light he was past his horny teenager phase but still had some talent left.

As for deconstruction…Gibson said that even though the book was set in the future, he based the society on the one in which he lived at the time (the Reagan years). You will notice that, in contrast to other dystopian worlds, the Sprawl is a corporate-ruled wasteland and not a government-ruled wasteland. It will resonate more with you if you grew up in the '80s.

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Anonymous 03/17/18 (Sat) 02:19:30 No.14198

>>14171

It is very difficult to follow the line of the plot, I think intentionally so. The disorientation felt by the reader gives an impression of the chaos of life in Gibson's 21st century.

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Anonymous 04/23/18 (Mon) 07:38:51 No.14295

>>14198

This, tbh. After he left Chiba I had no idea of wtf was happening.

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Mi first incursion. Anonymous 04/20/18 (Fri) 08:10:13 No.14288 [Open thread]

So. I just released a book and a bro told me "Go to this place and tell them".

I followed his advice. I hope you like it.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CH4898Z

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Anonymous 06/04/18 (Mon) 23:20:02 No.14478

no replies lol

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GET IN HERE BOYS Anonymous 04/02/18 (Mon) 08:30:24 No.14237 [Open thread]

Time for some fun.

Roll for your /lit/ waifu

You may roll again, but only if you post a quote from the literary lady you were previously assigned.

ALSO – female writer thread.

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Anonymous 12/18/18 (Tue) 12:52:07 No.15438

I love you M

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Anonymous 12/18/18 (Tue) 13:02:57 No.15439

Roll

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Anonymous 03/07/19 (Thu) 04:56:50 No.15899

>>14238

Might as well read some bitches

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Anonymous 04/17/19 (Wed) 06:24:27 No.16107

>>14237

rolll

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Anonymous 04/03/20 (Fri) 03:23:20 No.16748

>>14237

alright let's give it a go

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Two Brains are better than a fishbowl Donalg Dudd 04/06/18 (Fri) 20:31:17 No.14260 [Open thread]

>book is written by two authors

"Shadowrun" was tolerable but "the financial diaries" is garbage.

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Scifi advice Anonymous 04/03/18 (Tue) 21:03:15 No.14247 [Open thread]

I'm writing scifi. Well trying to, I've run into a bit of a rut. So do you have any ideas? What do you all hate/love within a scifi novel? What are some good examples?

>pic related: the greatest story of all time

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Anonymous 04/04/18 (Wed) 03:21:32 No.14248

>>14247

Probably a good idea to establish first what kind of sci-fi story you're writing, starting with whether you're writing hard sci-fi or soft sci-fi.

Hard sci-fi = Pure autistic art, as you remain as close and detailed to reality or what may be realistic expectations for future developments in technology as possible.

Soft sci-fi = You're not too bothered about scientific accuracy and just want to see how people respond to something hypothetical, without regard to whether such a thing is possible.

If normal literary muses have not yielded you success thus far, I'd recommend reading the manual for Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri. The autists who made that vidya actually include some of their notes on how they planned their sci-fi narrative, in addition to a reading list of various science-fiction books which inspired them to make Alpha Centauri, especially when it comes to trying to explain to your audience technologies which do not exist in a plausible manner.

Also with regards to my own personal preference, the only thing that really peeves me with sci-fi is when authors feel compelled to include psychics and wizards, throwing magic against material matter whilst everything else remains consistent. I don't mean Lovecraftian sci-fi, where the reality-fuckery is consistent with the established concept that the reality-fuckery is not breaking the laws of reality, but merely the main character observing an area of time and space with different laws of reality than that which they are accustomed to.

I mean stuff like Star Wars where space wizards run around flying like superman, just because. It's just distracting to me.

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Anonymous 04/04/18 (Wed) 06:40:48 No.14249

This question is awfully vague. What is this sci-fi that as a term should instantly describe your apparently non-existent work accurately enough for someone to provide useful advice on the specifics? Unless you only count the most autistic manuals of near-future speculative engineering, sci-fi quickly becomes a close to meaningless designation for some nebulous flavour of (possibly futuristic) fantasy, which nevertheless inspire obsessed nerds to fling shit on what variety of implausible plot devices are sciencey enough to count.

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Anonymous 02/04/18 (Sun) 22:42:40 No.14063 [Open thread]

Out of pure curiosity, how many of you read fanfiction? Do you consider it real literature, and what's your ratio of fanfiction to published works that you consume?

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Anonymous 03/10/18 (Sat) 20:31:44 No.14162

>>14141

>I warrant we have LOST more good fiction to scroll-rot and effective censorship by medieval taste than we have retained

I don't about that. The best stuff usually got copied over and over because of how popular it was and if writings like the Decameron or the popularity of Ovid in the middle ages are anything to go by, medieval people tolerated quite a bit.

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Anonymous 03/10/18 (Sat) 23:26:59 No.14163

>>14162

>The best works survive

No, they don't huge chunks of Livy's History was lost because there was no interest in it, and it is one of the greatest works on Roman history, perhaps the greatest had the entirety survived.

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Anonymous 03/12/18 (Mon) 02:39:32 No.14165

>>14163

That's not fiction though. >>14141 was talking about fictional works. From what's referenced contemporary writings, most of the significant works of fiction have survived.

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Anonymous 03/31/18 (Sat) 00:54:29 No.14230

>>14063

It's a good way to trick yourself into practicing, especially when starting out. Even a fat fuck is going to improve by walking around the block, and the nature of it is especially useful for getting younger people into writing. >>14141 is pretty much hitting the nail on the head with the 'real literature' remark.

The important thing is to point them towards the best ways to improve their craft, especially when they're still able to dedicate time towards it.

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Anonymous 04/01/18 (Sun) 03:11:59 No.14234

>>14165

>That's not fiction though

Even if that were true, my criticism still applies because we don't know if the best fiction did survive because it's not here anymore; we merely assume that the best works survived, but only one complete tragedy minus its satyr play does survive. A number of tragedies by the three great tragedians have not survived. Hell, Aristophanes consistently got second place, so where are the winning comedies? Sorry for the delay in replying, I got busy and forgot which thread this was being discussed in.

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Anonymous 09/22/17 (Fri) 14:13:43 No.13541 [Open thread]

Just got it for free on Amazon, wtf

Kindle is great

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Anonymous 09/22/17 (Fri) 14:16:13 No.13542

I meant Critique of Pure Reason

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Anonymous 03/29/18 (Thu) 01:14:28 No.14222

kindle is amazon

amazon is cancer

don't give them your money

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Anonymous 03/29/18 (Thu) 21:34:31 No.14224

https://www.amazon.com/Trafficking-Sexual-December-Dav-Crabes-ebook/dp/B01JKQ1QU2

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REST IN PEACE Anonymous 12/08/17 (Fri) 15:25:03 No.13836 [Open thread]

SWEET PRINCE

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., ηε χαν λιφε αγαιν , τρυστ Θε Δελτα-Διφινιτυ , ηε ψαρτ οφ σμαρτ ,. Anonymous 12/09/17 (Sat) 01:28:17 No.13838

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>>13836

., αλιχε ιν ωονΔερλανΔ ανΔ λιλ'ρεΔ ριΔινγ ηυΔ αρε θε σαμε στορυ , οφ ηοω ΔρυιΔσ γοτ εφερυονε ανγρυ , αβουτ γιαντ ανιμαλσ , ανΔ λοστ γενιταλ χοντρολσ , Δυε το ανγρυ ανιμαλσ , λιΧε οωλσ , θατ ηαΔ το λανΔ αωαυ φρομ θε συνλιγητ , το εατ βεηριεσ φορ φυλι σμαρτσ , ανΔ θισ ισ νο χοστ ινφορματιον , θε βυΧ οφ γαλαχιανσ ισ ψαρτ οφ θε στορυ , σαφε θε βιβλε , θε Δελτα-Διφινιτιστσ αρε α ψαρτ οφ θε λεαΔ , θανΧσ θρουγη ΘανΧσ βε το θε Διφινε ινφινιτε υνιτυ , θε Διφινιτυ , Θε Δελτα-Διφινιτυ ,.

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Anonymous 03/28/18 (Wed) 22:09:26 No.14221

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bump

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Anonymous 04/19/18 (Thu) 13:57:45 No.14286

>>13838

>2018

>using bing

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Is it worth reading non-famous books of famous authors? Anonymous 03/24/18 (Sat) 19:27:29 No.14210 [Open thread]

Lat's say Agatha Christie? Should I read all the gazillions books of her or should I read top three or five and be done. If I do this for all famous authors, am I going to miss something? I seriously cannot devote a lot of time to read everything a person has written.

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Anonymous 03/24/18 (Sat) 19:34:19 No.14211

Nobody is going to give you a gold star even if you fulfill the requirements of an imaginary reading list. Read what ever you like. You won't have the time to read all the books worth reading anyway.

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Anonymous 03/25/18 (Sun) 01:14:04 No.14212

>Is it worth reading non-famous books of famous authors?

Yes, if you happen to really enjoy that author's style, subject matter, thinking, whatever.

No, otherwise. You'll be bored and disappointed.

>I seriously cannot devote a lot of time to read everything a person has written.

This pretty much answers it.

Helpful suggestion. If you happen to have a favorite author who also writes essays about other authors, then you have a ready made guide for what to pick and choose.

In earlier days, when I was young, I could devote myself to a single author almost continuously. Now, I find I am easily bored—the choice is to jump around or cease reading altogether. That said, I may still get through a very high percentage of an author's total output over the course of several years, all the while jumping all around among other authors.

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Anonymous 05/28/17 (Sun) 08:21:30 No.12779 [Open thread]

Got any recommendations for some science fiction short novels that directly or indirectly portray philosophies like Nationalism, National Socialism, Fascism et cetera under a positive light?

Bonus points if the novels were written before or during WWII, and especially if they were written by an author who had first-hand experience with the various Nationalist nations and parties in Europe during that time.

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Anonymous 05/28/17 (Sun) 08:48:29 No.12781

>>12780

Yeah, I'm looking for something similar, I suppose.

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Anonymous 05/28/17 (Sun) 15:52:44 No.12783

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>>12780

>Anything from Heinlein

>Fascist

>National Socialist

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Anonymous 06/03/17 (Sat) 18:18:54 No.12832

>>12780

Starship Troopers was supposed to be a book about patriotism from what I heard, but it got turned full natsoc when the movie came out and Heinlein would have hated it had he been alive to see it.

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Anonymous 03/15/18 (Thu) 22:18:24 No.14189

>>12779

Warhammer 40K novels, kind of.

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Anonymous 03/16/18 (Fri) 20:03:37 No.14196

>>12779

Reading The Turner Diaries right now. It's political fiction about when the Jew government comes for the guns of white people which sparks a race war. It's exactly what you're looking for, faggot.

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Thinking vs. Feeling Anonymous 03/15/18 (Thu) 15:55:55 No.14185 [Open thread]

(I'm going to post this on /film/ too because it's equally applicable there)

When someone creates a great work of art, how much of it is through rational thought processes, and how much of it is simply due to instinct; emotion?

I should begin by saying that I am, or rather was, firmly of the belief that it is an unconscious (I shan't go as far as to say spiritual) force that drives successful works. However, of the people that I have discussed this with, the majority seem to believe the opposite—that it is, at least in part, a methodical process. Not to say that it is in any way clinical or formulaic, but that the artist is fully aware of what they are doing and why.

Having read more analyses of famous authors and directors I think I understand why this view is common; if it is possible to dissect a work of art from merely having read/seen it, it isn't difficult to imagine that the person who actually made the damn thing knew exactly what they were doing. However, I still cannot shake the feeling that inspection of this kind simply describes why a piece works, and not necessarily the thought process of the creator.

Are there any authors/directors/whatever who have talked about this? The closest I have come to is Tarkovsky's comments on symbolism, but even that isn't really what I'm talking about. (funnily enough I love Tarkovsky's films. If I wanted to be a big homo I'd say they speak to me)

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