No.12006
Why are followers of Stirner often Communists while Nietzscheans are frequently Nationalists? The two have have rather similar philosophies, and they both show distain for Communism and Nationalism. Why the split?
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No.12007
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No.12008
Stirner appeals to leftists because of his destruction of moral values. Being the revolutionary faggots they are, they will jump for that any time.
Nietzsche appeals to the nationalist elitism, especially with his view that there are higher and lesser humans, and to their paranoia.
Both are also extremely quotable and yet hard to penetrate. That plays an extremely big role. These kinds of philosophers that the average guy just cannot comprehend without a large effort lend themselves well to popular movement. They give a semblance of intellectuality to the rulers, while the aforementioned average guy will face enormous difficulty understanding enough of their philosophy to give a weighty criticism. Add dialectics, anti-intellectualism and anti-rationalism to the mix and the ideology is perfect.
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No.12514
I know that, at least for Nietzsche, his disdain for modern values came from the fact that they had simply stopped being effective. 'God is dead' wasn't him promoting atheism, it was saying that the spiritual/moral benefits associated with religion simply weren't present in society anymore because of subversion and demoralization. That's demoralization with moral as its root, not morale.
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No.13485
>>12006
Stirner was popular because of this drawing.
smug fuck, smoking a cigarette, btfoing Marx, Bauer, Engels and Ruge with his superior intellectual power.
everything that lit wants to be
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No.13567
I tend to like both, but Stirner seems full of himself while Nietzsche seems grounded.
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No.13568
Stirner for the manic, Nietszche for the depressive.
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No.13590
They appeal to each of those crowds for the same reason: they haven't actually read them. Their entire knowledge of them is based on memes.
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No.13591
>>13568
I agree, I like reading Stirner whenever I've got a good coffee buzz going. I try to read or reread at least one thing of Nietszche's a year.
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No.13688
>>12006
I ship Nietzsche ♠ Stirner.
dm for gay porn
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No.13699
I just startet with the will to power after i realized that thus spoke zarathustra demanded too much previous knowledge.
I want to follow Nietzsche up with Stirner with which book should i start then?
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No.13712
Stirner has nothing to do with leftism, is just that estrogen therapy makes you emotional and stupid, so /leftypol/ can't literally understand what they read
>muh egoists union
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No.13812
>>13688
i came here to post this
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No.13818
Stirner is nowhere near Neitszche's level.
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No.13828
>>13712
>The laborers have the most enormous power in their hands, and, if they once became thoroughly conscious of it and used it, nothing would withstand them; they would only have to stop labor, regard the product of labor as theirs, and enjoy it. This is the sense of the labor disturbances which show themselves here and there.The State rests on the — slavery of labor. If labor becomes free, the State is lost.
You can say that the essence of Stirners philosophy is not necessarily left-wing, but he himself certainly was, at least in some sense of the word.
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No.13837
Žižek (wokely) argues that the only way to read Nietzsche is to abstract him from the historical context. So, he suggests a Foucaultian, leftist, reading of Nietzsche.
As a leftist, I'll say that I like Friedrich Nietzsche much more than Stirner.
>>12007
Probably
>>12008
Meme reading of both of them. Stirner was actually a moralist and a humanist.
>>13568
Apollonian and Dionysean, one might say
cx
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No.13844
>>13837
>Stirner
>moralist and humanist
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No.14005
Stirnertes will try to convince you that Stirner is better than Nietzsche and that he BTFOED all thinkers of his time, but don't believe them. Stirner although its heavy criticisms and "radical" way of thinking was never able of escape the Hegelian system, and Marx's critique is very accurate on that.
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No.14010
Nietzche showed disdain for german nationalism, but he was perfectly fine with pan-europeanist kinds.
Stirner, while certainly affiliated with leftist tangents, would eventually have his philosophy developed by junger in eumeswil towards a more reactionary view of the Anarch.
Either way, if you're a "follower of nietzche" or stirner, then you're a cuck who doesn't get what either of them was about.
Sage.
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No.14013
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No.14016
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No.14021
>>12006
Marx was Stirner's contemporary and Hitler took inspiration from Nietzche's ubermensch theory. That's about all there is to it.
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No.14022
>>14021
>Dae notsee's and dae cummies be dae saem
Go away.
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No.14180
>>12006
I'm greatly simplifying but here's my rough attempt at it:
Both introduce the concept of will as the only thing "authentic"
The key difference is in how that will operates or is directed within their works.
Stirner concerns himself solely with an interior, his experience is of the "ego" observing the world.
Nietzsche instead concerns himself with the exterior, in relations to the world. His concept of "will" is directed towards that separate from him.
Communism requires a deconstruction of the self, which Stirner's rejection of abstractions acts in aid of.
This deconstruction is applied to the society surrounding oneself, Stirner's concept of spooks is especially useful in this aspect. I would hesitate to say that Stirner is of communal persuasion however, he clearly perceives individual property.
Nietzsche's concern with the exterior, and the subsequent limits to the ability to enact that will, lends itself to the concerns of Nationalism. Nationalism wishes to become the Ultimate, and Nietzsche has excellent reasoning in support of the ultimate.
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No.14182
>>14022
What? How is this relevant?
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No.14191
>>12006
>Why are followers of Stirner often Communists
Because they imagine it would allow them to be lazy and cynically condescending with little effort
>while Nietzscheans are frequently Nationalists
Because they have convictions and ambition, but don't want to share the fruits of these traits with ousiders or The Other.
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No.14204
>>12006
Both advocated some form of self-aggrandizement, but through different means.
Stirner, gleefully accepting nihilism, argued for total hedonism and self-servitude. Everything must be done to satisfy the ego; hence the appeal to left-wingers.
Nietzsche, bitterly opposed to nihilism, argued for transcendence and self-improvement. Everything must be done to become the overman; hence the appeal to right-wingers.
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No.14215
>>13818
>I use overly complicated flowery language so I am better
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No.14216
>>14010
>but he was perfectly fine with pan-europeanist kinds.
weird, he was way ahead of his time
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No.14426
post PDFs of their best works ITT?
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No.14432
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No.14434
>>12006
Nietzsche believed in Hyperborea.
Stirner only beliefs in himself.
Now who do you think would like whom?
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No.14456
>>13812
Was just about to post that
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No.14472
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