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 No.13407

What is the appeal? Every snippet of Jack Kerouac I read screams "boring person pretends he's deep and interesting" and Allen Ginsberg's "To the Angels" reads like a bad tumblr rant.

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 No.13428

I have no idea man, I visited the beat museum. I was not impressed. Why are American intellectuals such fucking narcissists?

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 No.13431

>>13407

>What is the appeal?

Stoned college kids want to read while stoned.

As far as I can tell all of their "experimentation" was just a way to hide mediocre writing abilities and that was then branded as a movement. Don't get me wrong, you can find the occasional jewel in the piles of travel poems they wrote. As a whole they've aged like the furniture of the decade, its odd and funky, but it's also garish and kind of sad.

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 No.13449

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The Beats … funny you should ask about the significance of their work, because I've recently been thinking the same thing. The Beats were the rebels of my father's generation and as I grew up provided guidance towards of a life beyond the stultifying cultural desert of Nixon suburbia. I continue to read and reread them as part of my literary input and have just finished Burrough's later trilogy Red Nights/Dead Roads/Western Lands after perhaps twenty years last, and wondering … will these dudes have anything to say to the future? Or, it would seem, to the present?

Earlier in the year I read several of Bowles' volumes, including this one on travel writing I hadn't seen before. What a lost world it all is - and yet it's redolent of a spirit that endures; the celebrity narcissist. It portrays a fantasy world I guess we all harbour in our inner desires, maybe.

Burroughs' cosmology was immensely influential of my personal development in formulating my thinking as to the relationship between myself and the world, and in may ways beneficial in demonstrating the risks of addiction, the nature of power and social control, and the compulsive nature of sexual desires. But whether all this is going to endure into a future of mass ADD remains to me very much an open question.

Inevitably time weeds out the dross and it very well may be the lasting significance of many of the Beats like Kerouac and Ginsberg will be more their influence on the younger generation of the 60s and 70s rather than their literary qualities.

Looking at their equivalents from their previous generation, say Wilder or Prokosch or Norman Douglas (just to pick a few randomly), are any of these still read today?

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 No.13457

>>13449

Just finished Storm and Echo. This was a technicolour trip and a half, although I can't decide if he was simply attempting a send up of another more popular work (the comparison should be obvious), or if he was tripping balls whilst binge writing. I won't say more. I want to save it for a review in the what have you read thread.

Currently working my way through The Skies of Europe. Entering book six, chapter fifty seven. Not bad, but his two earlier "travel guides to Asia" were far superior.

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 No.13458

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I consider Prokosch was very influential on the beat writers and I'm pleasantly surprised he's still being read. Storm and Echo is not one I recall reading and so cannot catch the meaning of you allusion, but will look forward to reading your review of it when you've finished.

Skies of Europe always seemed a bit of a wartime potboiler to me but agree the early Asiatics and the Seven were great adventure yarns though both somewhat inconclusive in their narrative. In the adventure vein I think I liked Mukalla best though overall I found Missolonghi probably his masterpiece.

Hard to believe his first editions are a couple of bucks at betterword …

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 No.13564

post-modernist bullshit. I usually avoid that stuff.

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 No.14507

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>>13457

I never came across your Storm and Echo review in the what you have read thread …

yeah, I'm interested

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 No.14520

I hated 'on the road' and it's the only kerouac work i've ever read.

Years later someone recommended that i read the uncensored and unedited version and it's much much better. basically drug and gay references were omitted as well as changing names of real people.

it can get a bit hard to read because it's stream of consciousness a lot of the time but i read the whole thing. I couldn't get past the first chapter of the unedited version.

as far as the appeal of beat lit in general, no idea. It was just the 'hip' thing at the time.

if you look into it it's basically a small group of writers that went to school or lived in the same area at the time and got to writing all at once. for better or for worse it defined the writing style of the generation.

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 No.14523

The original post-war popular edgy hipster writer

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