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We're All Gonna Make It, Fella

File: 370fbfe5d825d98⋯.png (422.05 KB, 675x488, 675:488, It Seems I Was Mistaken.png)

 No.4920[Reply]

Welcome to /loomis/ !

This board is intended for the discussion of a variety of artistic subjects, with an emphasis on illustration and animation.

If you're looking for books, video lectures and demonstrations on these subjects, please see the /loomis/ resource hub and board rules located at:

http://www.8kun.top/loomis/hub.html

Keep drawing, my friends.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tdyU_gW6WE

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File: 43385afc22dab2b⋯.jpg (1011.37 KB, 2000x2000, 1:1, WeeklyTheme4_OP.jpg)

 No.16024[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

-See weekly theme.

-Draw. It doesn’t matter what, or how, as long as it’s related to the theme.

-Post.

-Repeat next week.

Old thread: >>13038

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 No.16190

File: bd13555761bd808⋯.jpg (152.13 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, plague_bats.JPG)

>>16166

Drew this on a 3DS drawing app. I wouldn't recommend it, but it's all I have available at the moment. First time trying to draw a person in a long time, any major fuck-ups?

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 No.16191

>>16190

Not bad, I especially like the highlights. I think some tweaks to the pose would look better. The net arm would be better extended away from the body/face.

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 No.16193

File: 1b8469364486dd2⋯.jpg (68.52 KB, 928x830, 464:415, Plague_Doll.jpg)

>>16190

>>16191

I decided I don't like posting a critique without at least attempting it myself.

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 No.16194

File: e01419fe5835e11⋯.png (50.83 KB, 204x154, 102:77, Screen_Shot_2020_03_28_at_….png)

I had an OC who wore a medieval plague doctor mask with the yin-yang symbol for eyes once…He was essentially the antagonist, from Dan Brown's Inferno, brought back by weeaboo assholes from outer space.

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 No.16197

File: 500f60ec39d6720⋯.jpg (141.65 KB, 650x950, 13:19, flattenthecurve_650b.jpg)

>>16166

flatten the curve

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File: 1451563775891.jpeg (83.3 KB, 1250x1250, 1:1, image.jpeg)

 No.1804[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

What drawing tablets should I buy? Is there any difference between them?

I'm considering getting this one.

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 No.15997

>>15996

I have a gaymin PC. It's not that I couldn't afford a 1000 buckaroos for a high end tablet, it's that I don't want it. I want something I can throw on the table or in a bag and use on the go or in bed. My career isn't on the line, I'm a complete novice at drawing and thought I could potentially use it for sketching and decided to ask about it.

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 No.16001

File: 420360151466b47⋯.jpg (399.93 KB, 1411x1058, 1411:1058, Dorp.jpg)

>>15997

IIRC an iPad + Apple Pencil or the outrageous Wacom tablet PCs are really the only option for drawing that I'm aware of. I'd tried a $1000 Microsoft Surface Pro something-something three years ago or so and the stylus was choppy and miserable-and I can't imagine the lesser devices being superior in that regard (at least it had Windows though-that was its only redeeming quality). AFAIK if that's what you really want than a $300~ iPad is pretty much the only way to fly-but you can't really have "files" like .pdfs on them per se either unfortunately (unless I'm missing something, I haven't put much effort into learning how this thing works tbh). iOS is a fucking laughingstock of a parody of an operating system

>"on the go"

How often are you on the go, will you actually use it in that context, and is it worth gimping all of the digital content creation you do to an extent, given the software limitations? This is an important question to ask yourself and to answer honestly, I didn't and I regret it. If I'm drawing, I'm home 99% of the time and I'm more attentive and comfortable at a desk.

>in bed

Like most people you may be hard pressed to get anything done in bed besides coom and sleep because that's what our bodies have conditioned us to associate with the bed. You could be different but don't assume that the product will alter any pre-existing behaviors, at least not for long.

I'm not trying to be a downer and I could certainly be wrong, but I wish someone gave me a little push back when I bought my iPad because it's ended up a media streaming device more than anything.

tl;dr

Whatever the current cheapest iPad that supports the Apple Pencil is your only viable option that I'm aware of, but if you're really just a complete novice you're way better off getting a cheap .pdf reader/media player and using cheap physical media foPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.16070

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 No.16195

>>16001

>iOS is a fucking laughingstock of a parody of an operating system

You got that right.

>you can't really have "files" like .pdfs on them

You need an app called Documents by a company called Readdle for that. It comes with its own browser for downloading stuff off the internet, and opens pdfs, zips, rars, and most media formats.

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 No.16196

File: fc84ea7fed0a061⋯.png (89.12 KB, 300x188, 75:47, AAAAHHHHH.png)

>Wanted to get into digital drawing and art while locked-down

>Come to this thread

>Finally decide on Wacom Intuos

>Already used most funds on preparation in early February

>The vanilla Intuos seems alright, but the price was still a little too much for being gimped and small

>Go on to ebay for those sweet deals

>Just my luck! I find a $110 Pro version with the pen in relatively good condition and with a reputable seller

>Quickly smash that "buy now" button before some other drawfag tries to snag it

>Package takes awhile to ship, but I can wait

>Get a "You're package has been delivered" in my email

>Check outside, but no package

>Check the tracking website

>Horrified when I find out the package was sent to freakin' Texas of all place, which is not even close to my place

>Made doubly sure that I entered all the information correctly, and yes eBay shows all the correct information. The seller fucked up big time.

>This happens during a shitty few days in my personal life, and not just because of the virus

>Pissed because I don't wan to make an account just to message the seller, but I bite the bullet

>I've had it with this crap, and society acting like morons and doing stupid stuff

>Tell them, as politely as a pissed off, despondent buyer can that they fucked-up

>Tell them I don't want a refund, I want the tablet, because other similarly priced Pro Medium's are in crappy condition or missing the pen and other necessary parts

>On eBay, decent Used Pro Medium's are 200+, New's are $300+. If I get a refund, I can only buy a non-pro Intuos, probably okay for a beginner, but I'm sick of bad shit happening and I just want something nice to happen for once

>Tell them I demand they fix the problem and finaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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File: a8d31236d0da824⋯.png (693.94 KB, 620x924, 155:231, 1517179963348.png)

 No.7361[Reply]

>Ok class, time for life drawing.

>We have new models today.

>But we need a male model too.

>Anon it's your turn today. Get onto the stage.

wut do

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 No.9004

File: 1c99ed3e50de81c⋯.jpg (35.1 KB, 409x698, 409:698, 1c99ed3e50de81cf3f23be8870….jpg)

>>8994

I don't like outside

there are bugs and it is hot

you can find a pic of anything online anyways

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 No.9008

>taking an art class

>not just downloading books and drawing at home

>risking others seeing the horrific garbage you call your "art"

Drawin is supposed to be solitary and full of self hate.

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 No.9216

>>8626

MDB-718

>>8911

that canvas is probably full of cumstains

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 No.16189

>>7361

>DOnt let him leave

>wtf Im not psoing are you fucking serious

>Close the door and lock it!

>take off your clothes.now.

>wtf fuck you cunt

>grab him

>*runs around class room*

>everyone rush him

>fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

>hold him down

>strip him

>Give me your x-acto knife

>IF YOU DONT FUCKIING POSE YOU WILL FAIL THIS COURSE

>I swear to god if you keep resisting i will slit your throat

>*cries*

true story.

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 No.16192

…eh, more dignified than a prostate exam…or whatever that was O_o.

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File: 702852200e959a4⋯.jpg (215.3 KB, 1280x853, 1280:853, audi_etron_concept_12.jpg)

 No.4450[Reply]

How to draw cars? Are there any must know techniques, tips, tutorials, and books?

While I am not too bad of an artist otherwise, cars, especially aerodynamic ones, were something that I always struggled with. Judging by how little people draw cars or just stick to simplified or cartoonish designs, others seem to have difficulties with them as well.

My current method is printing out lightened reference photo, draw over it by breaking it into basic 3D figures and then do whole thing in reverse on the actual drawing.However, it is somewhat tedious and not very efficient when I just want to draw something from real life.

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 No.16122

>>16102

To ride it, then.

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 No.16183

cars are just basic shapes.

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 No.16184

>>16183

> _ are just basic shapes

Isn't that literally everything in art?

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 No.16187

>>16184

Cars are literaly rectangles and circles. the rest is skill.

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 No.16188

>>5248

>▶Anonymous 08/11/17 (Fri) 15:15:55 No.52

>>5248

>>5248

>>5248

this. its all basic 3d shapes. details are slowly added.

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File: cb9c9988b863c7d⋯.jpg (172.76 KB, 769x978, 769:978, negative emotions.jpg)

 No.15229[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Share your daily struggles and other art-related feels here.

Previous thread:

>>12687

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 No.16032

>>16020

Stop for like a month I'd say. There are a lot of studies that show you don't actually improve on anything if you just do it over and over again quickly, you just get faster at it.

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 No.16142

>the situation in my country was getting harder and harder, so I decided to try my luck as a porn artist

>I started to make enough money to help my family financially

>they have no problem with this, in fact, they are happy with the extra money

>over the past few years, I've been making comics for a porn site, drawing assets for a fetish game and working with a friend on our own porn video game

>besides that, I'm also trying to get a degree in Engineering Informatics

>when I'm not working on a commission, I'm studying for a test or something like that

>I don't have time to improve my art skills, I don't have time to improve my programming skills, much less work on my personal projects or do other things

>I could quit drawing porn and start working as a programmer, but I would probably end up in a job where I have to work doubly hard to get only a fraction of what I'm earning right now

>I'm so fucking tired of both things; I just want some free time for myself

>the worst part is, I think I don't even like my career, but what else can I do? I don't have what it takes to be a real illustrator or a graphic designer

I'm sorry for writing so much shit, but I don't feel comfortable talking about this with anyone. Actually, I've even been thinking about going back to my old psychiatrist.

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 No.16181

File: 63f5efe182adf26⋯.jpeg (916.43 KB, 2048x1536, 4:3, EUHnVJtUUAI8huu.jpeg)

>Feelio when Murata's 10 year old daughter might be better than me at art.

pic related.

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 No.16185

>>16181

So easy even a kid can do it!

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 No.16186

File: 414825ac5aa0ad6⋯.jpeg (78.29 KB, 1125x621, 125:69, EUH3J4iWkAE4ZEA.jpeg)

>>16185

It'll be all the sweeter when I finally make it, I hope. Also Murata made this when he was like 11.

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File: 1501ae802fa3371⋯.jpg (206.68 KB, 1024x853, 1024:853, B1439257.jpg)

 No.3816[Reply]

>art board

>no art thread

Let's fix this. Post your favourite art.

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 No.16176

>>16175

>Bustin' makes me Feel Good Inc

Kek, u wot m8.

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 No.16177

>>16169

>>16172

>>16174

>>16175

>>16176

Niggas, you're posting in a thread that literally got bumped by a spammer after 3 years of inactivity

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 No.16178

File: be357a106df9257⋯.png (143.94 KB, 600x700, 6:7, download_1_.png)

>>16177

Posting in threads that literally got bumped by a spammer after 3 years of inactivity is GOOD, redart!

…not really I guess-I just relished the excuse to talk about my art deco robo waifu again

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 No.16179

File: 855f3e23e55524f⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 137.61 KB, 950x1459, 950:1459, ee8.jpg)

>>16178

Well, in that case, I WASN'T going to show this, but:

1. If she was a guy, let alone human, this would've been safe to show since the 90s and why deny equality now? AND

2. I made this in 2012, waaaaaaaaaay before Lil-Area made it not only okay but full-on fucking sexual.

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 No.16180

>>16179

based and robutt-pilled

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File: b4dcf497c2db872⋯.jpg (2.65 MB, 1761x7924, 1761:7924, 1c584d44e2df92f2dc818cc48a….jpg)

 No.11486[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

TOWERGIRLS: Draw edition

thread reached bump limit

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 No.15985

Dice rollRolled 757, 66, 370, 962, 30, 738, 512, 83, 643, 45, 874, 609, 220, 359, 586, 525, 618, 438, 506, 384, 964, 2, 888, 695, 71, 305, 45, 811, 281, 704, 426, 38, 769, 795, 1, 799, 533, 513, 881, 177, 557, 756, 785, 777, 115, 372, 302, 732, 810, 808, 117, 775, 809, 6, 470, 880, 310, 514, 691, 591, 219, 117, 628, 987, 911, 629, 786, 445, 142, 668, 622, 699, 424, 408, 477, 539, 779, 779, 272, 589, 587, 388, 364, 397, 394, 834, 277, 704, 349, 967, 295, 567, 85, 923, 554, 996, 552, 341, 441, 694, 9, 63, 393, 433, 471, 869, 972, 250, 649, 244, 839, 236, 632, 204, 632, 26, 38, 909, 729, 386, 876, 24, 952, 961, 946, 507, 957, 499, 848, 398, 193, 856, 461, 586, 290, 931, 456, 262, 182, 105, 505, 21, 341, 138, 224, 973, 163, 262, 882, 892, 647, 759, 916, 600, 720, 863, 108, 677, 362, 955, 76, 555, 812, 537, 141, 102, 469, 596, 364, 651, 701, 869, 672, 42, 7, 896, 15, 170, 158, 896, 63, 805, 656, 978, 405, 376, 842, 513, 54, 204, 468, 130, 759, 280, 667, 899, 382, 136, 496, 746 + 999 = 102898 (200d999)

>>15984

I… Wuh… What?

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 No.15986

Dice rollRolled 25 (1d999)

>>15985

Oh, I get it. I'm a fucking retard.

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 No.16167

File: 98e3ecdb926de54⋯.jpg (261.33 KB, 825x1000, 33:40, merchant_princess_825L.jpg)

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 No.16171

File: 869735676d9a804⋯.jpg (215.57 KB, 900x1000, 9:10, Ghost_Princess_900L.jpg)

New event exclusive Ghost Princess skin.

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 No.16173

>>16171

Are those 'air implications' I see?

>I shot a journalist

GOOD

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File: b9e5bc4c07365e9⋯.jpg (880.76 KB, 1190x1600, 119:160, b9e5bc4c07365e924894b11585….jpg)

 No.13897[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Last thread is autosaging edition.

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 No.16136

File: 4752936e134f820⋯.gif (472.08 KB, 640x360, 16:9, 4752936e134f8205aae2b4b485….gif)

Is there any good art forum to post your shit and get constructive criticism?

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 No.16137

>>16107

Never used one tbh, whenever I try and go trad it's just been an awful experience for the most part. I still do most of my studies in trad though

>>16136

You made this thread a while ago I think, and the answer then as it is now is: 'no' heh

Wasn't there the "Crimson Daggers" (Ow, the Cringe) forums run by a concept artist or something? That might be okay idk

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 No.16139

>>16107

No experience, but if you are the DIY kinda guy or know one, making one should be fairly simple.

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 No.16145

>>16137

>You made this thread a while ago I think,

That was some other guy and I remember his question being slightly different, I just want a place to tell me how and fucking up and how to fix it.

>Crimson Daggers

It's not as bad as other places but it suffers from the "looks good, just keep trying :)" critique a lot of places have sometimes, rather than more objective problems.

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 No.16158

>>16139

>>16107

with how cheap the cheapass lightboxes get, it's certainly not worth buying anything or putting in effort to make one, but any combination of lights and translucent or clear plastic is probably better than a fucking window.

i just use an overturned tub and a short lamp.

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File: 9aebe72e799662e⋯.png (84.17 KB, 1582x900, 791:450, The Incandescent Screach.png)

 No.9188[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Take like 2-5 minutes.

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 No.15981

File: f1adb15e57c132f⋯.png (248.36 KB, 600x600, 1:1, 8924msdf0j24fzvcij2351.png)

>>15978

>>15941

>>15747

>>15794

Inspirations for my piece

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 No.15982

File: d7dfcdb2dfdd10c⋯.png (692.34 KB, 600x600, 1:1, scenicflights.png)

feels like some chillwave album color

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 No.16050

File: 970d89dbb56aa21⋯.png (10.17 KB, 873x491, 873:491, this isn't even good on an….png)

Abstract vagina for abstract gf

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 No.16128

File: c120eafb87f0791⋯.jpg (331.82 KB, 1308x1120, 327:280, them.jpg)

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 No.16157

>>14114

these are really beautiful anon.

there's this game i can't remember the name of where you wander around this maze– and every how many steps, the game uses what you're looking at to generate new patterns. it's really comfy.

well, anyway, i wish i could move around in those pngs.

is there someone being crucified in the top left of wave mountain? i can see a few other things too, like steps leading up to a statue of death.

>>15982

this is nice. it's like a city scape but they're all fading away under the weight of the sun …

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File: 16470021c142e7f⋯.jpg (259.94 KB, 614x868, 307:434, Party On Garth.jpg)

 No.15456[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Old thread: >>13343

A thread for people of all skill levels to dump their works-in-progress and studies

Draw shit. Draw it a lot. Git gud. Maybe

Northern Kentucky University Drawing Database - Marc Leone "the Basics" Playlist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtd6uwNFl9k&list=PLMXbAPr21di-Ox-dmDwL2riWedei1dn9S

3-D Models:

https://pastebin.com/9VgmQQPk

Live Figure Models:

http://www.onairvideo.com/

Random Poses (3D Models):

http://www.posemaniacs.com/

Books etc.:

https://mega.nz/#F!es1BSKQR!spODyd0iaQmMelGA2GscFw

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 No.16138

>>16109

>>16108

>>16104

>>16099

>>16100

Good stuff honestly man just please export them at a smaller heckin' size for fug's sake heh

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 No.16144

File: 797850dd16acd66⋯.jpg (1 MB, 1682x1000, 841:500, Bones.jpg)

I recently did a study of the bones of the hand. I'm new at this, so I'm not sure if I'm studying effectively. Funnily enough, since I did this drawing, I've been paying more attention to the metacarpal bones when I draw a hand, so I guess at least I learned something from this.

Now I'll try to do the same with the muscles of the hand.

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 No.16146

>>16144

Really good, anon

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 No.16147

File: 99a08d7efce4bdb⋯.png (492.05 KB, 612x631, 612:631, 2020_03_19b.PNG)

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 No.16148

File: 6d85ffece25334f⋯.png (79.5 KB, 465x416, 465:416, poopost.png)

>0% experience

>Laptop touchpad

Pretty surprised I managed this tbh.

KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK

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File: 761d5a33ebd871f⋯.png (982.92 KB, 1280x1040, 16:13, Draw Thread.png)

 No.14784[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Double Digit Disaster Edition

Happy 10th thread you fucking degenerates!

Previous Thread: >>13600

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 No.16156

File: 0af69ea6b8aed00⋯.jpg (676.94 KB, 2722x2358, 1361:1179, 20200321_145339.jpg)

Miss Bivvins.

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 No.16159

>>1614

Like the other anon said, the hand-breast interaction looks a little iffy. It looks as if the breasts are made of fabric as opposed to skin and fat. Try grabbing something fleshy like your arm, idk and use that as a point of reference

Also, thanks

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 No.16164

File: 07e32bfcb1ed60e⋯.jpg (1.77 MB, 3618x2290, 1809:1145, 20200323_021020.jpg)

Portia Gibbons and Julia Goldburger.

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 No.16170

File: 5e29e3be974c105⋯.jpg (680.77 KB, 3876x2254, 1938:1127, aiOTdP3.jpg)

Some original characters, two from grade school and two from college:

The Pie giraffe

Mr. Poliwag rip-off (don't remember his real name)

Pontiasco

Alfrute Il Pire

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 No.16182

File: 022025b61571120⋯.jpg (281.57 KB, 950x713, 950:713, escapism.jpg)

Anyone else laid off and jerking off?

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File: 63c07b9d345e890⋯.png (187.6 KB, 341x337, 341:337, 5676978695.png)

 No.15038[Reply]

we gonna photoshop this

>pic

Be creative!

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 No.15052

>>15044

where did u get that picture of me heh

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 No.15209

File: 4246358bf0a77f7⋯.png (289.38 KB, 538x531, 538:531, horrid.png)

This is dangerously cancerous.

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 No.15211

autism

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 No.15212

>>15211

…but admittedly I can appreciate the humor that this weird thread sort of predicted the "Blue the Jew" /pol/ meme

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 No.16033

File: d01aa59da1b97c8⋯.png (291.98 KB, 536x529, 536:529, leaky.png)

haha

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File: 2fb0beee8864db0⋯.jpg (1.32 MB, 2000x2000, 1:1, WeeklyTheme3_OP.jpg)

 No.13038[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

-See weekly theme.

-Draw. It doesn’t matter what, or how, as long as it’s related to the theme.

-Post.

-Repeat next week.

Old thread: >>10037

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 No.16012

>>15998

I can't promise I'll contribute, but I'll give you a maybe.

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 No.16013

>>15998

Maybe we could advertise this in other boards drawthreads here in 8kun and in the webring? I know people in the webring are kinda hostile towards 8kun, but a gondola collage sounds like it'd bring people together.

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 No.16014

File: 6bd43c493d501ff⋯.jpg (358.95 KB, 1500x1000, 3:2, gremlins_1500x1000.jpg)

>>15971

>>16013

What other boards have an active drawthread? /v/? /monster/ has (had) drawfags if the amount of content being upped to the new booru is any indication.

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 No.16016

>>16014

>You've heard of Elf on a Shelf

We don't deserve you

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 No.16026

new thread: >>16024

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 No.14968[Reply]

https://horriblesubs.info/shows/dumbbell-nan-kilo-moteru/

Lifting weights will raise your art gains and your spirits, fellas. You'd be surprised what you can accomplish with a handful of inexpensive dumbbells. Exercise and moderation in diet has proven to be a potent treatment for depression and lethargy and many other symptoms which are otherwise practically inherent to modern living. Don't be ashamed to start simple, light and easy. Give it a try!

Simple <1/hr. routine:

Day 1:

Hammer Curl

Standing Shoulder Press

Standing Overhead Tricep Extension

Standing Lateral Raise

Dumbbell Curl

Day 2:

Dumbbell Rows

Dumbbell Side Bend

Push Ups

Planks

Day 3:

Dumbbell Squat

Dumbbell Deadlift

Dumbbell Lunge

Dumbbell Farmer's Carry

https://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/equipment/dumbbell

If you're confident you can get a door frame pull up bar and add chin ups and pull ups to the mix.

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 No.15245

>>15244

>Probably because serious exercising isn't just uncomfortable - it's literally painful.

>The problem with getting fit is also that any gains are visible after a long, long time while discomfort is immediate. It's hard to make any habits stick with those conditions.

Sounds like you're describing art practice

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 No.15290

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Today is my day 1 of this exercising program: I love how simple and straightforward it is.

Right now I can do 20 push-ups. I hope to be able to do 40 in 2 weeks.

Wish me luck!

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 No.15291

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>>15290

I was recently inspired by a friend into looking at the merits of bodyweight training. He led me to this gentleman, Edwin Checkly, who supposedly eschewed all forms of weights in favor of body weight alone with pretty admirable results. I haven't looked into his methods yet so I am curious about just how he worked certain muscles but I guess the moral of the story is that you're on a good trajectory and to not let anyone convince you that push ups or other bodyweight exercises are a waste of time. I myself have always used relatively light dumbbells with moderate success, following the maxims of Eugen Sandow who was active around the same time.

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 No.15989

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I've been running to, around and back from a local lake 3-4 times a week. The lake is a 3 mile circumference and there's a half mile each both to the lake and back. You can barely see across it at its widest points so it was pretty intimidating at first but I just went for it and now I'll be on my 6th run soon (it can get extremely cold here so I limit myself to days where it's 25 degrees fahrenheit or above). The fact it only takes a little under an hour overall, even though I'm alternating between walking and jogging for the most part, really demystified the whole thing for me because you realize you're really not missing out on much by not spending that hour glued to your computer or phone like you'd likely normally be.

Running is actually pretty based fellas. You can walk too if you're in rough shape and not nearly as far-you might have to build up to it, don't be ashamed. Being the owner of an athletic dog has helped a lot with my personal motivation as well, when you see how you let a dog down by not giving them a walk or a run they expect it helps you visualize how you're actually letting yourself down.

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 No.15991

>>15113

Skip leg day like a mother fucker but I also go for lots of longs walk when the weather is good so I don't look like a triangle upside down

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