/loomis/ - Art Gains

I mostly just have a bunch of sad questions. Should drawing be for my own entertainment? Should it be to entertain my friends? Should I focus more of my time to drawing? If I do, how do I determine if it's worth it? How do I know I'm making meaningful improvements? How do I determine the worth of any of my actions? How do I know where I belong? How come I can't draw hands?

>>12687

>that picture

10/10

>>12699

>isekai

You deserve your pain and not gonna make its. Just write a fuckign fantasy story. It doesnt need

>>12701

If I wanted to write a proper story I wouldn't let anonymous people from 8chan touch it with a million mile pole. I also wouldn't write a character who's supposed to represent Anon, nor type "cute girls" in the synopsis.

The point was for the barrier of entry is low and the plot is open ended enough that most people can find something to care about. "Anon from fantasy world" wouldn't be as fun or shitposty as "Anon gets sent to fantasy world".

>>12705

From Isekai wa Smartphone, to Kumo Desu ga, really expands the neurons.

>>12705

I think dungeon crawling would constrain the options too much. I thought of isekai because it would allow for the greatest amount of freedom and plot possibilities and it has many common appeal points, I wanted people to be able to easily split into sub-stories if wanted and swap characters or introduce new ones and such without having to too strictly link with everything else.

Also Isekai would allow dungeon crawling as well, for example there could be a specific dungeon that is occasionally re-visited, you could start a new chapter where they explore a new part of it. Somewhat related, I was also thinking of keeping track of inventory, whenever they obtain a new item it would be added to a list and then used later in the story if wanted. Thought it might be fun to track inventory like that and make it part of jokes and such (for example how a rare item was removed from inventory due to it being wasted for some stupid purpose).

>>12706

>cheat powers

no.

MC I was going to go with would be completely average at combat, and he'd typically come up with indirect ways to solve dangerous situations. He might get a little stronger if cute girls depend on it but that's it. Everyone would be kind of goofy and usually not accomplish much, except for some voice of reason character who's usually ignored by everyone else.

>>12705

>I think a sort of dungeon crawling thing would be more fun

Make it like Diablo, where you just keep going down in a dungeon until you go so deep you basically end up in hell and have to kill the devil. We could still include cute girls.

OP here, these Eva jokes/references doing anything for you?

>>12717

I've been enjoying them immensely tbhfella, were you thinking of branching out to a different IP for the next thread?

>>12718

Don't know yet, I may still stick with Eva. Depends on whether or not I can think of a good image.

holy fuck I hate this feeling I have right now from being unable to find the right reference I am not able to breathe

Trying to do a profile drawing with a model it came out fine, but the problem is that it barely looks like the model so I don't really know if really call it an ok result for a first time.

>>12761

Maybe we should run a daily drawpile or something to get anons in your position drawing, even for just a little bit

>>12779

Not him, but I could get behind this.

I've heard it's fun to draw with people.

>>12779

a group project would probably help a lot of anons out

>>12798

He stole all his work from How to Draw by Scott Robertson. Literally the same work flow and order. The only new thing he added was the figure drawing section and then he took them down because they were complete trash and he couldnt give correct answers or advice to patreon donators.

As for /loomis/ hate of it, they hate everything. The order isnt traditional, but it makes more sense, especially to those that lack artistic talent starting out. How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way and few other books ahve really basic perspective explanations that are same as drawabox. You probably just havent looked into perspective enough to get an explanation like that.

>>12801

Scott Robertson has just gone up in my reading list then. I have been reading Loomis (actual author) stuff on perspective and started on Noreling's perspective made easy, but have found it a bit of a pain the way he goes on and repeats certain easy things to remember anyway, and didn't clarify any of the things in the way that drawbox page does. Thought I'd share in case other anons might benefit.

If that guy is a rippoff I won't bother with the rest and just read Robertson.

>>12798

The criticisms you've heard are valid, Draw an IED is just gameifying and compartmentalizing existing material from others. However I'm not against anyone using what they believe works for them; all of the authors whose work he's repackaging have done the same with work they themselves were taught (Compare Hampton's work to his teacher Huston for example), there's nothing inherently wrong with that even if it's kind of lame when you see it for what it is and come to understand that he's profiting off of material copied very closely from bootleg videos of Scott Robertson and Peter Han

>>12798

DABbing is a secret ISIS handshake.

>>12802

>>12801

>>12804

There's a few grains of truth there, but mostly it's misleading. Drawabox is primarily based on Peter Han's Vis Com class (which the creator took in person at CDA). When he decided to go from posting basic stuff on reddit to actually creating a website (so he could accept the donations that were being offered), he asked Peter for permission. Peter said yes, but told him to reinterpret the material rather than regurgitate. It's something he reveals on the discord whenever it's brought up.

It's basically branched off from Peter Han's stuff. The basic stuff is still pretty similar, but the later lessons focus a lot more on solid form and construction, whereas Peter Han's is a bit more loose, a bit less strict, and has a greater balance of detail/texture/etc, but there are often bigger leaps people have to make. Peter's still by far the better instructor of course, but the teaching style is different, as is the content. You can also always trust Peter knows what he's talking about (no one's gonna question him), whereas dab doesn't have that kind of pedigree, and usually admits to that.

Some of robertson's techniques are definitely there as well, though in bits and pieces. Ghosting, some of the later techniques to build shit to scale, etc. Not the main source though.

there's plenty of stuff to complain about when it comes to drawabox without spreading that kind of misinformation.

>>12804

>>12824

Ghosting is something pretty intuitive when aiming for accuracy freehand, no? I'm sure I've done it since childhood. Thanks for the info. Maybe I will do drawbox lesson 1 at least.

>>12827

Ghosting is one of the first things Robertson mentions in his book and yes it's a good thing to do when you're doing something like an inorganic object that needs a strong straight line.

>Still want to kill myself/be dead

I have all these ideas for projects I want to work on but I am too bad to make them right now, this is to be expected so just get better but the problem is I see people doing some of these projects first, I don't want it to look like I am copying them.

>>12913

I'm in the same position, I know my project is generic and I'm worried there's going to be a 1:1 out there before I get good enough.

I already saw something with a very similar name and theme from an artist on twitter and after reading the opening pages I could only look away in fear and have been hiding from it ever since. I'm 90% sure if I go through with my dream project I'm going to get sued, now

IT KEEPS SNOWING AND I HAVE TO SHOVEL EVERY DAY AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I haven't been drawing much the last few months, and lately every time I force myself to do so it's like I've regressed substantially. It's true that I haven't been the most diligent, but I've been drawing for years, and for who knows how many hundreds of hours. Every thing I draw is trash. If you told me I'd be at the level I am now after almost 4 years, I probably wouldn't have even started. I feel like an actual retard.

>>12957

You're right

>>12959

I haven't been drawing SHIT even to practice (my comfort zone) for many months and a big part of that has to do with having to stay at my folks' house to help them with shoveling and so on, it's tough to get anything done being in proximity to your extraverted boomer parents I tell ya. Just keep working fella we're all gonna make it in the end.

>>12960

Oh yeah, and my fucking boss installed a camera at work specifically to autistically monitor what I'm doing and keep me from drawing.

>can't draw at work

>can't draw at home

I'm going to dump all of my money into crypto out of desperation and despair. See you at the soup kitchen, fellas

>>12960

Spring's coming. Soon you won't have to worry about shovelling, and soon I'll be able to spend my lunch breaks sleeping in my car.

>>12963

>my fucking boss installed a camera at work specifically to autistically monitor what I'm doing

Is this a hidden camera? That might be illegal if it is.

>>12967

Nah it's not hidden, it's an anti-theft camera that is 99% meant to catch me in the act of not making myself busy with stuff he doesn't give a heck about himself, and 1% meant to prevent non-existent shop lifting

>>13070

That sounds genuinely interesting

>>13070

You got a link to that book?

>>12779

So 2 weeks passed. So before we are gonna discuss when we could do it and wait another few weeks waiting for a response I'm just gonna say we do it tomorrow, Saturday 9th March 2019 UTC 21:00.

Feel free to change the date, but I'll try to be there at that time.

>>13133

Based, even if the first few ones have a low turnout rate keep it up cause other non-art boards run pretty active drawpiles so I'm sure it'll pick up.

>nearly finished my sketchbook

>got progressively worse since I started it

JUST.

>>13135

What you're describing is pretty much what 3/4 of this board feels like so you're probably not going to get an answer. I think we all need to practice auto-suggestion; psychologically manipulate ourselves while drawing.

The next time I'm in the middle of practicing I'm going to say: "I'm having fun and I'm getting better" out loud like a cultist every half hour or so. Religious sects and cult leaders manipulate people to believe, perceive and experience things through repetition, there's no reason we can't do it to ourselves

>>13134

>>13133

I opened the room.

room: USJLO

>>13138

I know I'm 2 hours early. Feel free to join any time. I'm gonna take to look at the features and get something to eat.

>>13139

Not sure how this works. The public server shut down and is now full. Trying to host myself.

room: TNAIU

>>13140

https://drawpile.net/download/

I guess I should have mentioned to get the software here.

>>13137

Do you think it works for everything? Like I could chant myself into being gay or liking shota? It's a madman experiment but maybe worth the try.

>>13143

Maybe you're simply too focused on the results. It's no wonder you have no fun when you only draw with the hopes of maybe being able to do something you like in a few years.

I don't know what your goals are, but maybe you should find something achievable first, even if it means you're doing simple chibi art. Anything that keeps you drawing really.

>>13150

I don't want to be bullied or install software.

>>13151

I'm not into bullying but drawpile needs to be installed. It's rather small though. The installer is about 15MB.

>>13150

Based, The software actually looks pretty good judging from this screenshot. Most of the time those cooperative drawing websites and so on have shit drawing tools

>>13202

I want to kill myself (metaphorically) and be reborn anew (metaphorically) but I don't know at which rate. Once a year? Once a month? Every second?

>>13202

I discovered this board 3 years ago i think, with every bit of enthusiasm to start any day.

I still haven't and just posted because i saw the bookmark and was reminded once again i had to do my weekly visit.

College is the worst era of my life and no one can say the next phase will be worse, i have my shit utterly fucked.

>>13203

I want to literally kill myself. Like violently-slashed wrists or 10-gauge buckshot through the chest. I keep praying to God that He will kill me.

>>13205

I often wonder what the point of any of this was, and whether or not I was better off just not trying at all and just sticking to mindless media consumption. I'm nearly 4 years into this and I still can barely draw anything, despite trying to really learn. I have such an unwelcome feeling of decay and death in my life.

>>13206

I do have an objective to justify trying to learn this trade, i just don't have time to get into it like i would like to, aka 2 hours a day.

I want to create storyboards and some concept art, so the bar is low and high, but i would also need how to write and general composition.

It's just too much while also studying an intensive career, when i finish that off and get a normal job to maintain myself alive i will finally go for it, unless i get a golden opportunity at my job and were needed to cast all my time on it.

Goddamn, this kind of stuff can only be done comfortably at middle and high school. If anyone here still at that point in life reads this, please go for it immediately, college and urban survival has no mercy on hobbies, hence why many dudes have mid-life crisis, they realize they never did anything they really liked.

>>13202

I won’t say that I want to take my own life, but if I fell asleep and didn’t wake up, I wouldn’t be too disappointed either. I’ve been trying to learn figures but i don’t think i’ve been making much progress. I don’t even know the best place to start, proportions? gesture?

>>13206

>shotgun to the chest

pls no anon, the gun grabbers use suicide stats to pad their numbers

use an exit bag if you must. It’s much more elegant

Hang in there buddy, we’re all gonna make it

>>13237

One more/less suicide via firearm won't matter, there will still be thousands of others. Also I may go for slashed wrists anyway, even if it hurts like hell. You just need to cut the radial artery, vertically.

>>13248

>vertically

Yeah, don't cross the road, go down the street.

Still, gas related stuff is usually painless, so I'd probably go with that if I wanted to kill myself without taking anyone down with me, either sealed car with exhaust piped in or helium mask.

>>13248

>Also I may go for slashed wrists anyway

slashing the wrists is not very lethal, unless you can guarantee that no one will find you until hours after you make the cut. The shotgun will at least do the job instantly. Exit bag is probably the least painful while also having a high kill rate. But I haven't tried it though so I can't say with certainty :^)

>I don’t even know the best place to start, proportions? gesture?

It's observation. First you need to be able to reproduce values, distances and other relations before you can move on. You will have a hard time doing anything from imagination without first developing observational drawing skills. You won't even be able to reproduce your own drawings or have any kind of consistency when you don't have deliberate control over measurements or how much paint you apply.

Observational drawings also have the advantage of giving you a constant feedback loop. Make a guess, compare measurements and values/colors, adjust your for mistakes if you find any. It's like learning to be your own teacher that keeps watching over your shoulder. If you start with imaginative drawing without any guiding hand it's the equivalent of practicing shooting without knowing if any shot hit until you ask for feedback hours later. Just like with any sport you want to see how much you're deviating on any single shot. Constant feedback is key.

Value accuracy over speed. Speed will come with time. Avoid being sloppy as it will only turn making mistakes into a habit.

There's a reason why people used to be able to learn painting like any other craft with the only barrier being time and money.

If you want a recommendation for a specific exercise, do the Bargue course, or set up simple still lifes. The Bargue plates are ordered in difficulty. It's better to pick something you can handle first and doing it right, instead of rushing into things that are too difficult.

>>13256

>Bargue course

The plates are available on archive.org, so I'll probably start working through those. I'll also consult some other books for specifics if I run into trouble on a particular plate.

>>13255

>>13254

The cut just needs to be large and deep enough. A scalpel should do nicely, which I have. I don't own a car and I hear helium suppliers are now taking out certain stuff from helium tanks because people were using them to be anhero.

>/loomis/ - Suicide advice

>>13260

I do believe that party supply stores now mix helium and oxygen, for example. But you van still get pure nitrogen gas and other mixtures from chemical supply companies like Airgas, welding suppliers, and scuba diving shops, I think. Either helium or nitrogen is fine, but nitrogen is probably easier to purchase. The other stuff you need like tubing and a mask can all be bought at a medical supply store.

>>13261

We sure know lots of things.

can we stop with the incel shit

>>13281

None of us know how to draw anon. If we did this board wouldn't exist.

>>13282

stop bitching and draw

>>13299

It's nice to see it's helping.

>I'll aim to get at least a few plates done every week

That's not gonna possible with the later ones. It's not unusual to spend weeks on a single one.

Plate 2 already requires more attention to the line quality and 3 onward slowly introduces applying areas with value.

How fast you're improving does not depend on how many plates you complete. It is more about how much time you spend analyzing.

>>13305

Okay, I hadn't looked to far ahead, but looking at them now I recognize that they quickly become much much more involved. Thanks for the heads-up.

>>13256

This seems good, logical advice. I need to so more drawing from reference. What little I can create is from that process of observation and self correction, and I'm getting nowhere reading stuff on mechanical perspective at the moment. Had a few little epiphanies regarding the theory but what I draw is still dull because I've no Visual Library TM of houses or cars and stuff that makes use of perspective.

The more I draw the worse I feel.

>>13322

Sounds normal to me, keep drawin'!

>>13322

Could be old age

>>13322

Draw things that won't make you feel bad

>>13323

>>13324

>>13325

It never gets better. It might be God trying to tell me it's over and I should anhero, I know I'd really like for it all to just end.

Yeah, it's that time of the week again, time for my visit.

I've been trying to draw free hand again and it feels odd but i can get the hang out of it, my wrist is still too stiff but i can get a couple of quick trees again.

To the suicidal drawer, hang it there bud, we will have our little competition… when i finish my current project. Or do you want to start it?

>>13335

What competition?

>>13341

>>13164

>>12424

>>13343

>>13378

Are those really competition, or am I missing something? Not a native speaker by the way.

Usually I feel like shit, but in this moment I feel pretty good, and I can imagine a future where we're all gonna make it, and this board gains a reputation as a thriving hub of successful artists. I don't expect this attitude to last long.

>>13379

I'm a native speaker and I'm not sure what he means either. Cheers!

>>13383

>>13379

Guess i'll draw alone without any friendly competition/parallel rivalry

>>13410

We just got a new puppy and I get sad whenever I think of him getting old even though he's only 1 now. Why do good boys (and girls) have to die bros

What's your ideal place to anhero, bros? Trying to figure out a good spot.

>>13440

Well, that's an interesting idea but there's no way I could ever get out there. I'm limited to my own tiny area of Earth.

>>13445

me at the bottom of the stairs thinking about climbing up

>>13137

Wait, holy shit.

What if there was artist hypno? If people can do sissy hypno to be trannies, then /loomis/ can do artfag hypno

>>13448

Hypnosis? It only works if you're receptive, or so I've heard.

>>13449

That's probably the case, unfortunately.

The sissy hypno shit that's posted around usually starts with "shove something up your ass/drink cum", so I imagine artist hypno would start with "draw something", meaning it would do shit for us.

>>13442

Glad that poor bastard at least doesn't have to suffer anymore.

My thought process for today:

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I FUCKING HATE HANDS! Their shape is never consistent. Fingers are too awkwardly shaped. Why do we gotta have 5 fingers anyway? The pinky doesn't even have any real utility.

>>13513

I do use my pinky for music and scratching inside my ears and nose.

>Practicing anatomy

>Drawing sucks and I hate them

>Come back next morning

>Despite some mistakes I actually like how it looks now

The wonders of drawing I guess.

I've been practicing every day and rapidly improving. Feels good man. I almost exclusively draw human anatomy because I want to get past all the typical hangups (hands, feet, breasts, etc) as quickly as possible.

Do any of you ever feel afraid to draw? Similar to the way you would performing surgery or diffusing a bomb or something like that, but on a smaller scale?

>>13594

I used to feel deep shame some time ago as I was attempting to draw something dear to me but failing, that's probably related to fear? It wore off as I continued to draw and pushed through it though.

>>13594

It happens to me every once in a while, best thing you can do is suck it up and draw like an idiot.

>>13594

somewhat, but you have to realize its an irrational fear eventually

>>13654

Motivation is hard, anon. Trust yourself to find it eventually.

>>13654

Sounds like you need work that's more fulfilling. If it wasn't so draining I'm sure you'd be able to do other things too.

>Realise I need to learn basics and still life first

>Procrastinate because I find it boring

I'll spend all day feeling like doing nothing, then suddenly when I'm in bed and I'm trying to fall asleep I get the urge to be productive. WTF is wrong with me.

>>13700

Just keep drawing what you want. Sub-optimal practice is better than none.

Q

>>12761

>>12779

>>13133

I wasn't there for the discussion, but, DNS willing, there's a permanent server now: >>13767

missed the catalog

>>13848

**see also:

https://plus4chan.org/b/draw/res/41772.html

https://plus4chan.org/b/draw/res/43352.html

https://boards.plus4chan.org/draw/t43989.html **

>>13796

Use 3d models and books to draw individual bones until you have a damn good idea what they look like and what they do.

As insufferable as he can be Proko on youtube has definitively the best anatomy lectures I'm aware of

i just cannot fucking figure out perspective. it's fucking hard. why is it so goddamn confusing. i'm never going to make it.

After not drawing for weeks, now I keep starting drawings that I never finish.

>>12801

>He stole it from Scott Robertson

He literally stole it from the dynamic Bible. Almost directly. All he changed from dynamic Bible was that he has lessons and dynamic Bible trusts you to work on things yourself instead of being a minging retard with no capacity to do anything you aren't told.

Be honest. Does anybody who starts drawing as an adult ever make it?

>>13983

Oh, gosh, I hope so.

what counts as making it?

>>14022

It must be nice to be a Japanese toddler and be better at drawing than the adult american men FOMOing into art in their 30s on this board

AAAAAAAAAAAA WHY DIDN'T I STICK WITH THIS SHIT IN MY EARLY TEENS FOR FRICK'S SAKE AAAAAAAAAAA

>>13983

It's certainly more possible now more than ever. Something people don't really, well, acknowledge is the massive girth of resources for learning available to everyone these days. From critique to improve your craft, to raw material to study there's a phenomenal new realm of ease to get into the craft.

Or you could realize that even in the 50s people as hobbyists managed to handle getting the skills down while working high load careers.

>>14028

I saw an art contest for Japs 14 and under a few years ago. I almost died when I saw the results.

>>14030

Can you name one artist who stared as an adult? I'm serious. It would be encouraging and I've literally never seen an example of it before.

>>14034

Can you name every artist who started as a child?

Can you name every artist in Iowa?

These things, are not important. What is important is working at your dreams. Because you can do it. All you have to do is try.

>>14035

>Can you name every artist who started as a child?

>Can you name every artist in Iowa?

No, but every artist who openly talks about their life say they've been drawing since they were young, every single one. Any artist with a following on any social media platform will tell you that. If you can't give me one example to the contrary it's very discouraging.

>These things, are not important. What is important is working at your dreams. Because you can do it. All you have to do is try.

It is important, because I would like to have a realistic frame of reference. It's all going to have a lot less meaning if I can't draw adequately until I'm 40.

>>14036

Some painters who didn't start until well beyond their childhood:

Van Gogh

Monet

Grandma Moses

Henri Rousseau

There are also a number of other artists in other disciplines who didn't begin doing any creative work until later in their lives as well. For example, George Eliot didn't publish until age 40.

It might be a tired expression, but I think you should focus more on the journey, not the destination. If you worry too much about how you compare with other artists who have been drawing their whole lives, of course you're going to be discouraged. But that doesn't mean you can't keep improving, and more importantly, it doesn't mean that you can't continue to enjoy drawing for its own sake. If you are going to compare yourself with anyone, compare yourself with who you were yesterday. Then ask yourself, "Can the me of tomorrow beat the me of today?"

>>14038

I've been doing it for years at this point.

I might not be improving a lot though.

What kind of goals do you guys have to help you get motivation to draw more? I have a hard time working up the motivation to sit down and draw for longer than an hour, so I tend to work in bursts of 20 or 30 minutes. Maybe that's not a bad thing though. I also feel weird posting on /loomis/ with nothing to really show, so that's gonna be my goal for the summer: draw more stuff that I want to show off.

>>14038

only if you have no social life

If drawing is only a hobby to you, then I would suggest that you focus on your studies first. That's what I did at least. Now that I'm off, I'll have more time to practice.

>>14043

I think even among good artists, very few ever developed the habit of doing art for extended periods of time day in and out until they were getting paid for it.

Here's a good video where Seth Mcfarlane talks this in hindsight realizing that he didn't really make large improvements as an artists until he started getting paid to do it for 10 hours a day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzHUoB4CKc0

Regardless of whatever you particular art goals are, I don't know if there is anything as forcefully motivating as a deadline. While there are many drawbacks to professional art in regards to your continual improvement as an artist who is advanced in skill, "going pro" is probably the only thing that can raise the vast majority's skill from that of an amateur

>>14072

>todd

Kek, I even looked up his name before posting and I still messed it up

>Feelio when everything 'good' you draw is a fluke

>>14072

PEETAH THEY POSTED YOU ON 8CH

I had a weird dream where people drew the kind of stuff I draw, but better, in order to mock me. Normally I'd be honored but in the dream, without a layer of rationalization and healthy self-doubt, it made me a bit sad.

>>14212

One of my own goals is to inspire a lot of fanart of my own characters so to think of it being twisted in that manner into a negative thing like that is brutal. Luckily for you it was only a dream, but from one artist to another the struggle to make sure you're good enough that your fans don't end up making you look like crap is real. In the end you look at projects like One Punch Man and Touhou and can take solace in the fact that even if you don't become the best artist for lack of time or energy or whatever that at least you could make something that might inspire others one way or another.

Make something that other people will enjoy and perhaps some of them will enjoy it enough to make some excellent art of their own-it's far more likely that they'll do so out of sincerity than out of spite.

>>14238

God I wish that was me

>>14238

Honestly that makes me jealous as fuck. I'd gladly trade places with someone like that if I could. That would mean I wouldn't have to kill myself.

>>14285

>>14240

We're all going to die and the only thing you two seem to want to do is hasten yourselves towards it.

To be alive and squander your time will only mean yourself in the future will hate the person you are now, get the fuck up and get something done in your life, draw some little stupid sketches, get out a piece of paper, draw all the shit you wanna buy with the money you want to earn as an artist, or draw what your heart desires, draw chicks with huge tits, big asses, whatever. Sad posting on the internet does nothing to help your situation and only brings you further into despair, seeing people who seem to be able to do the things you aspire to. You can do them to, if you set your mind to it, just get the fuck up and do something.

Something you draw is shit? Good, it means you can tell the difference between trash and treasures. Do you think Da Vinci or Monet just started out as the masters they were? No, they started out as little retard babies who waddled around in their own shit and stupidity, but they practiced, they practiced to the point where they were able to show someone else their work and that person would think "Wow! I wish I could do that!" Some tried, and gave up, but no one ever truly fails at art. Some keep moving forward, keep pushing though.

And thus, the cycle of true artists continues. Not of fantastic piece after fantastic piece, but of a mire of trash dotted by pieces of excellence. Some day, someone could look on something you've drawn or painted and think to themselves, "I wish I could do that!"

But if you give up on yourself and simply want to wallow in your sadness, thinking to yourself that all you will draw is trash, you will never think of the people who have no talent at all, those who have never touched a pencil in their lives, who look at something you might have done, and are inspired by your work.

>Get a D in Art because I hate research, don't bother retaking it

>Art teacher stops me the following year and persuades me to retake it

>Get an A and it's the only A I ever get in any subject

>Art teacher asks me if I'm going to do art in college and seems disappointed when I say I no

Looking back at things right now, I wish I had taken art at college and carried on drawing instead of trying out lots of different things and being mediocre at them.

>>14304

Based textwall peptalk poster.

I think I have to accept that I cannot seriously devote myself to drawing without drugs. I can barely muster the power to practice for more than 15 minutes. I'll be absent for awhile, frens.

>>14355

What kinda drugs? Mine's 8chan.

>>14357

Adderall. I wish I could post drawings frequently like I was a few months ago. Yesterday I did an incredibly rushed still life of a hotdog, because thinking is too painful. Maybe I'll do some Bob Ross paintings or something, as merely following instructions takes less mental energy.

>>14361

>he says he's not depressed

hm, how should I put this… I think I have some bad news

>>14361

>it cured my depression and left me with apathy

*Cough cough.*

I feel relieved just by posting my feels. Board is great, I wish we can draw together in drawpile. So unusual to draw outside of SAI. My shaking shithands cannot draw right without s-3 stabilizer.

wash your penis

>>14364

>>14361

>drawing brings no joy

>rikes bring no joy

>no goals

Draw girls for money then.

>>14084

I Unironically wish I had a high quality collection of naked little girls for the sole purpose of anatomical education.

>>14369

If it will be something what I do fo myself like manga with my fetishes, then I'll try to sell it of course. It will be a long time for people to offer me shekels considering my low skill and lack of dicks. Thanks for suggestion anyway.

Desire to draw gets activated by some inner thought or pingas call. Everything afterwards is time devouring, tiresome, painful and ends with bad .png. "I can imagine it in my mind way better, why I draw this, for what purpose?" is my question.

>>14372

I close eyes and cover ears so I can forget that I live in real world and travel there, hear my companions, battle monsters, crawl dungeons, watch voluptuous and powerful dryads bathing in ponds and etc.

I will try drawing scenes or moments (i.e. that horned girl is banished demon and lives happily with loli witch deep in the forest) someday and see if I like making it a bit more real. All it takes is skill (additionally I like complex clothes and some girls wear heavy armor), I imagine them done, posted, tons of fans and what, why. I don't seek fame and masturbator auditory, but maybe I will enjoy it and maybe Anon right and I will like to convert .png's to money. Money for me just bills and food. If I had a dream wife I would need money for more and probably wouldn't draw naked mongolian girls, but this is not a perfect world.

I think I shitted out enough words, good to open to someone. I will start next drawing in a few days, altrough I'm not motivated, I'll just draw it.

>>14371

mate your drawing is good enough to make money from. maybe not enough to live on but enough to make some pocket change.

>>14374

I see, thanks for it. Guess I need something out of pixiv for me considering gods of anime reside there. I will try it after I discover new poses since I draw same pose same head position in 95% of times.

>>14375

Twitter allows posting nude girls and tied with pixiv, I'll go for it, thanks again.

>practice painting, gesture, anatomy and all that shit like a traditional artist would

>never do cellshading sameface drawing

>"friend" always says YOU ARE NOT ON THE LEVEL OF X GUY YET ARE YOU DELUSIONAL ABOUT YOU ART?

Dude, I get so mad, I can't see why people would like do share art with anybody, it's always a fucking mess.

>>14383

I dunno man, sounds like you just both have different ideas of what good art is?

Ask him to make his point clearer because comparing "levels" isn't particularly helpful.

>>14386

I get mostly porn recommendations myself.

>>14390

Capture two humans, one to praise your effort, and one to offer you advise.

Each time I think I post something good, like, retweet worthy.

No one retweets.

I haven't grown at all. Is my art really that bad? what should I do different?

I've tried growing in different ways too, like those artist support threads etc.

and yeah, I do comment, like and retweet other peoples works, of course. I generally love what people can come up with and get inspired by them..

I don't know, I guess it kinda saddens me that my stuff doesn't inspire anyone else, I guess?

>>14394

How many followers do you have?

Are they 'liking' your stuff, at least?

>>14396

a bit over 300 followers, yeah I get around 4-12 likes per post

>>14391

this doesn't seem like practical advice

>>14394

It's tough to learn but don't judge your art's worth by how many followers, retweets, and shit you get.

I mean isn't the most retweeted picture on Twitter a photo of an egg? There's no justice to this.

However, you can have a small core of followers that enjoy your stuff, that give you comments sometimes, that interact with you, and that's pretty cool.

Maybe not if your point is to live from your art but still.

>>14405

Yeah, the humans tend to die pretty fast for some reason

>>14394

Maybe try artstation. Social media is a shit place to post art.

>>14394

Post your shit.

Today I realized that I never want to be a commercial artist. Sure it's nice if you can make money drawing what you wanted to draw anyway, but being a whore who makes a living off of commissions is just another kind of wagecuckery. I don't think many people enjoy doing it.

>>13070

Dali was a hack as well. He was Gala's bitch and he used more talented painters like Isidoro Bea and Manuel Pujol Baladas to do the paintings for him.

>>14686

Change your "new layer" shortcut into an impossible mash of keys. You'll start using a single layer in no time.

>>14686

Just… just merge them all down every 30 minutes

>>14741

I'll let you know when I figure it out, myself. God I hate wageslaving/normalfag-ing REEEEEEE

>>14750

>>14686

How the fuck do you guys have so many layers? I don't get past 2.

>>14751

When I'm not confident on drawing from a reference and trying to use color. I pretty much use a layer for every little thing, and then make screen/multiply layers for every one of those little things. It adds up.

Been thinking about doing my own comic, but I'm worried about the commitment. Use to do them for my school newspaper, but stopped doing them after graduation.

>>14766

Do it fgt

>>14779

terrible advice. i hate this board sometimes. if you haven't drawn you should stick to pencil and paper for at LEAST a year

>>14781

Why?

If you ultimately want to create digital art, is it not better to just start with a tablet?

>>14799

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Monoprice-10-x-6-25-inch-Graphic-Drawing-Tablet-4000-LPI-200-RPS-2048-Levels/371223113451?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

it had good reviews and some anons in the tablet thread said it was good, just to not use the CD drivers

>>14800

Looks pretty small to me. I do agree with the other anon that if you're still in your first years you should be practicing on paper, but learning a bit about how digital art works early on won't do you any harm. Do give your tablet a shot.

>>14778

Thanks for the advice. I am worried about the advertising part. I'm not good at promotion and I'm wondering how to stand out.

>upgrade Krita to latest version

I don't recognize a thing.

aah

>>14854

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWEWAITEDLIKEAWHOLEYEARFORALMOSTNOTHINGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

>>14785

Of course but the point is that fundamentals are exponentially easier to learn on pencil and paper. Look at this board. All of the very low-quality art done on tablet I guarantee you haven't picked up a sketchbook.

>>14916

I'm retarded, meant to say to put art ON the list of things I'm terrible at.

I should probably just switch to mechanical pencils. I sharpened one to such a fine point that it poked through a canvas bag and stuck me in the foot when I brushed against it.

>>14916

What's your method for practicing? Have you tried switching it up? Not sure if it's applicable, but I remember a gym teach saying, "If you practice doing something the wrong way, you'll get really good at doing it the wrong way." Practice in different ways to try to find a method that works for you.

>>14916

Drawing is really hard, and that chance you're going to be the one who continues drawing for years is very unlikely, But complaining about drawing straight lines and drawing simple shapes, is dumb. No one can, but you rub out your lines until you do, then you become more consistent at it.

>>14937

Take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt, because I don't use a tablet myself (just really cheap pencils). There's a couple of routes you could take.

The first is to not open the box yet and work just on paper to get up to snuff before proceeding to the tablet. If you don't think you'll progress to the tablet, you could sell it to someone else.

Alternatively, if you're dead-set on this, open it up jump right in. The tablet is a tool and you need to get your hands dirty to get used to using it.

Again, I have never used a tablet myself. I don't know what the experience is like compared to paper and pencil.

Didn't sleep at all tonight. Lately I've often been spending my nights drawing, because it feels like I'm pussying out if I go to bed. It went like shit, frankly, but at least I was putting in the hours. Towards the morning I was in this weird state of excessive alertness and somehow I just started seeing, and thinking.

How the sunlight was strong enough to almost completely light the obscured side of the ribs on my kitchen chairs from reflected light alone, coming from the wall opposite of the window, and their shadow was lighter than larger ones and gradually blurred further away from the root. How the color of the floor bled into the walls quite far up their height, but never in direct light because it's strong enough to blow it out completely. I went over to a wall and put my foot next to it, moving it to and from just looking at how there was more and less white reflected in it. Looked at my shadowed face in the mirror with one eye closed to see how much form you can make out in such a narrow value range without the depth perception. How are you even supposed to draw something like that? There's almost nothing to work with.

And that's all fine and dandy. This is good. I feel like I'm beginning to get it. But what the fuck has my effort up to now been for? Were all those thousands of gesture drawings just an enormous waste of time? Did all the sketching and photo copying and drawing primitives in perspective really teach me literally nothing? Am I really that much of an idiot, do I really suck that bad? How could I ever call the shit I do studying? I've been doing everything wrong and the only thing it's done for me is pass the time.

>>14941

Guess what? Everyone feels like that, like time is being wasted. In reality we can't really know if it helped or not, all we can do is keep practicing.

>>14941

Are your completed drawings any better than before you started practicing?

To hell with it, there's no problem in the first place. The sleep deprivation was just messing with my emotions. I made some good realizations, leave it to me to try to turn that into something negative. Venting openly for attention is kind of a new low though.

>>14942

So I'm not a special snowflake?

>>14944

Yes, though I honestly don't make a lot of finished drawings. I always find some issue that couldn't be fixed without redoing the entire thing and drop it altogether. Maybe I should try to work on smaller things generally until I have a more solid understanding of the fundamentals.

>>14957

>openly venting for attention

Meh, it's kinda what this thread to is for. I personally think it's fine, especially since you're aware of it.

>>14364

>>14361

Did you raw them?

>>14970

I meant draw.

>>14364

>>14361

Anyway. I found your Pixiv but you only have 8 followers, I don't think anybody put your work on Gelbouru either. That's really strange I thought you would have more. I think it's probably because it works on a Tag system and you don't draw much that is tagged with what people are likely to search for. You also don't have a twitter or anything to advertise it.

>>14972

Opps, Pixiv doesn't tell you how many followers people have, that was how many you follow.

But still, my points remain. Your images don't get anywhere near as much attention as they otherwise could.

>>14986

At least someone uploaded your art there.

I'll admit I'm now interested in seeing those galleries.

>>14988

>At least someone uploaded your art there

That's it's true. In a way, I'm flattered that someone took the time to upload my stuff there. It's just that I can't help feeling embarrassed by my old drawings.

>I'll admit I'm now interested in seeing those galleries

Believe me, you don't want to see my old stuff. It's really crappy. However, I must confess I still like some of those old drawings –I used to come up with some funny and creative ideas back then.

>>14997

You could always redraw them, anon.

>>14997

If you feel more confident about your art I'm sure you would get a few people interested in your stuff if you posted a comment there

>>14999

Muscle memory isn't that fickle. I'm about a month back in after three years of hardly ever holding a pencil, and I'm already making the same old mistakes. Your hands will remember, don't worry too much about that part. Give it while to jog your memory and the knowledge will come back too.

There's nothing to be done about the missed gains. Remember this feeling the next time you begin to slip, and keep going.

>>14998

This. It's fun, it's like drawing yourself fanart.

Well frens, it turns out that there's a good chance I may be color blind as people are telling me I keep mistaking greens and purples for blue.

.>>15045

>>15050

That's the spirit, sister, the Board Owner must put it as the board theme.

Ok, so i haven't had a lot of time to draw as of the past year because of school amd whatnot. Coming back to it now, I'm not really enjoying it as much as before. I'm also much worse (go figure). Should I stick with it or what? Sorry to bother you with this.

>>15082

Maybe you kinda forgot why you drew before: what did you use to draw?

Also, you can always keep drawing for fun.

>>15083

Mostly weebshit and capeshit sadly. I did do more professional things occasionally and started branching out more and trying a bit more of a rennaisance style. Then the new school year hit and here we are.

>>15084

school is a soul-and wallet-sucking meme, hopefully you don't end up regretting it for the rest of your life but you'd be an outlier if so tbqph

>>15085

>Franken Fran

Getting real ancientfag in here. What have we been doing with our lives these past 12 years or whatever

https://waifulabs.com/ We lost?

>>15091

Time to panic

https://www.thiswaifudoesnotexist.net/

Seriously though, I'll be more scared when they start making something else than moeblobs

>>15091

No. It's an equivalent of bank of images, where you can get different variation of initial image selected from the grid. All you can get are generic moeblobs, catgirls, and an occasional elf. It's very generic. It even misses basic staples like delicious brown, tomboys, girls in glasses, and so on. >>15092 is slightly better in the waifu generation aspect, but it just looks like faces are made from an array of different features modified to blend together. Again, it's very generic and some images are blended very poorly.

Most present day AIs are not very smart. I suspect that it will take a few decades before AIs can realistically compete with humans in anything but a very narrow ranges of tasks. There is still plenty of time to learn how to draw.

>>15096

based

>>15096

I think you are underestimating technology. A decade is plenty of time nowadays, all we have to do is grasp a single concept and everything will explode in improvement.

>>15100

Things will definitely move forward and accelerate with time, but there many things holding AI back. Things like amounts of learning data, current technological and manufacturing limitations, money, logistics, and society's attitudes.

Google and Microsoft have piles of money and more data than anyone else, and even they are struggling with AIs. Once they do, one instance when AI fucks up is enough to set back the implementation of it. Most futurists and future technologies companies tend to exaggerate rate of innovation, completely ignoring the limiting factors.

Even if sufficiently powerful and cost efficient AIs are created, drawing will be pretty low on the priority list. Most people who draw do it for fun, and companies who need cheap art can just outsource work to third world countries if needed. You also need to factor in fact that as more and more things will be machine made and designed, people might want to get something that was created by human craftsmen. Some of that shift is already happening. There is a revival of portrait painting, woodworking, and furniture restoration.

Drawing has led me nowhere. I don't want to do anything anymore except go to sleep and die.

>>15130

Youre probably misunderstanding most anon's lack of self esteem for their works with genuine lack of skill. Artistsautists are never happy.

>>15130

Maybe it's not the same people who are groaning and moaning. That's the thing with anonymity, you can't really tell who's behind the posts.

>>15139

Don't worry about making a schizo retard like me upset, anon. Most people will react like normal adults to fetishism.

>>15141

To be fair I don't think we'll find many normal adults here anyway.

All the talk in other boards about the site dying really worries me, I don't want to lose all the resources that this board has And also you anons

>>15150

A timely post, thanks fella

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/04/technology/8chan-shooting-manifesto.html

Benis.

test

>>15154

third time is the charm I guess. who /posting issues/ here?

What's wrong with the webring?

Come home pencil man

>>12687

I consider stopping. I don't improve. I barely put time in it because it's very time constuming. It's not good enough to earn money with it. I don't want to draw commissions because I'm worried that I won't be reliable. Yet, I get some attention at least.

It would make sense to stop, but I just can't. I'm also too old to ever get fame as some young pretentious indie artist.