No.10425 [Last50 Posts]
Share your daily struggles and other art-related feels here.
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>>8376
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No.10427
I have between 3 and 4 days off from work EVERY SINGLE WEEK and I keep sleeping through half of them. I woke up early and went to draw animals at the zoo today at least, but if I could avoid crashing for like 3 hours afterwards that'd be great.
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No.10441
>people high in openness are natural artists
>want to be an artist
>tfw low in openness
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No.10444
>>10441
What does being "high in openness" mean? Something about being an extrovert versus being an introvert?
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No.10445
>>10444
openness is where you don't like when things are too closed off, due to information being unable to pass through
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No.10451
Feeling a little of this right about nao
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No.10452
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No.10453
>>10451
It's still happeniiiiiing
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No.10454
Having no luck, if someone else wants to make the new draw thread be my guest
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No.10462
>>10452
just look up Jordan Peterson on the subject
I don't agree with most of what he says, but does explain it well enough.
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No.10463
>>10462
Ooh, I see now. Well, according to this terrific and most surely absolutely accurate online test, I'm pretty open.
And judging by the questions it seems openness is something one can work at increasing.
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No.10464
>>10463
great more stuff to work on
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No.10465
>>10464
It never ends this shit.
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No.10466
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No.10467
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No.10468
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No.10498
>been drawing for a little over a year
>don't draw everyday, and don't draw a lot when i do
>still at level one
>this is the best I can do
it is my own fault, severely lack discipline, and feel like shit about it art books are fucking boring, and I have ideas for what to draw most of the time
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No.10499
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No.10503
>>10498
You could try to find ways to have more fun while drawing, it'd make it easier to draw everyday
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No.10509
>>10503
I am opened to any ideas
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No.10513
>>10509
Me too actually, I haven't drawn anything in 3 months.
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No.10518
>I just noticed it was a pencil in the pic
oh you
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No.10592
What year did it all start to go downhill for you?
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No.10593
>>10592
Probably early teens…so 2001 or something like that heh
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No.10598
>>10592
my life started going downhill when I got out of school and got a job. Now every day is the same, I don't ever see or interact with people my age. There's nothing in my life, just me and my computer, and I must try my hardest to find meaning in it.
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No.10648
Apologies, but I figure here is a place to share this story.
>Be in art class in high school
>Not really caring about drawing anything above a crappy cartoon frog (note: this was before pepe was a thing)
>One asian chick is the darling of the class
>For final project, asian chick paints a self portrait so well, we all think that the dress in the portrait is actual fabric
>Fast forward to now
>Be ok, but not good artist scribbler
>On train going to conference.
>Draw idiotic scribble
>Normies surround me oohing and aahing at scribble.
>Realize I'll never draw as good as asian chick
>Realize that my scribbles can impress the normies, but will never actually be good.
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No.10649
>>10648
I had a nice black family talk about how nice my drawings were when I was drawing at the zoo. They are total shit but they were being so nice, as were some other people. Man, normies really don't know, but it was pretty encouraging.
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No.10650
>>10648
Also with that in mind, you all may have only have been so impressed because you were normies then, too.
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No.10651
>>10648
>On train going to conference.
>Draw idiotic scribble
>Normies surround me oohing and aahing at scribble.
I hate that so much. When I used to carry an A5 book and draw strangers on the bus I accidentally let one of them, an old lady, notice once and she acted precisely like that.
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No.10652
>being mad that people are interested in what you're doing and compliment you
I know it's maybe a little annoying because you don't want to be interrupted but just keep in mind that to get an audience in the future you're going to have to be personable. Try and get used to drawing while people are talking to you/while you're talking. You'll need that ability if you ever want to livestream, for example.
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No.10656
>>10652
>You'll need that ability if you ever want to livestream, for example
On the topic of interacting with people, how do you deal with those people who seem either somehow mentally challenged or 10 years old and just won't stop trying to interact with you?
They constantly ask stupid questions about everything and make bad "jokes" and are generally hard to respond to. If you don't reply they sometimes start going "hello?", and in the worst case asking if they did something wrong. It's a huge pain to livestream when there aren't many people and then one of those guys comes along, and it makes you not want to log into art websites knowing that that guy has send PMs again.
You don't want to build a reputation of being an asshole by telling them to fuck off either.
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No.10657
>>10656
I would try being honest with them first, tell them you need space and can't respond to them constantly. Make sure to be very diplomatic in case they're savvy enough to screenshot your posts to complain to others later which is possible whether they're a genuine Retardo or just a dumb kid, they might make a thing of it either way. If all else fails you have to just unceremoniously block them and keep blocking them if they persist under different accounts. Your time is a finite and valuable resource and if one of the six gorillion people on this earth that serves as a hypothetical fan of yours happens to be either a problem for you personally or someone that might be driving away others you have no choice other than the nuclear option.
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No.10658
>>10657
I was also musing whether it would be a good idea to block them with others around if there's a big "THIS USER HAS BEEN BANNED" message in whatever platform you use because that would cause drama. At the same time though, most of the people that watch you stream will generally approve of just about whatever you do because they like you, at least they like you more than them. They might be a tad sycophantic even which will work in your favor.
Just literally say: "I'm really sorry, it's nothing personal. I just can't handle the constant communication and I asked you nicely to tone it down. Take care" or something like that and ban his ass from all your platforms and anyone that returns that you suspect is them ban evading which, if they're a real lunatic/Indian, they very well might do.
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No.10660
>>10652
Yeah, you guys gotta keep in mind that in reality artists are kinda rare and most people don't draw. Don't get upset about it, if your self worth is holding you back use that knowledge to your advantage. Art is all just entertainment, that's how so many people get away with their ugly comedy cartoons. But anyway
>telling introverted, basement dwelling artists to be more personable
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No.10662
>>10651
That shit just brought back school flashbacks. Having people gather around you to see what you are drawing and complement you is fine a first few times, but it gets old quick. I never knew what to say other than 'thank you,' 'it's not that good, I still have a lot to learn' or other similar responses.
>>10652
>just keep in mind that to get an audience in the future you're going to have to be personable
How? And how to respond to normalfag's compliments other than thanking them? With someone who at least draws a little bit, you can start a conversation, get some critique, and share tips. This is not likely to happen with normalfags, unless you just take advantage of the situation and use it as an ice breaker and talk about something else. Other thing is asking for suggestions on what to draw, but that does not always work, and there is a good chance that suggestions will be shit.
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No.10664
>>10662
Thanking them followed by small talk is fine, I mostly just mean try and have a good attitude about it in general because if you let it annoy you too much it will affect your work.
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No.10705
Anxiety doesn't let me sleep and I'm never rested enough to focus. I'M DEAD INSIDE.
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No.10712
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No.10714
>I don't want to be a dancing monkey producing throw away content to toss into the short attention span churn of content that is the internet. And yes, I myself am a part of that endless consuming of pics/videos/songs/memes. I am as guilty as any of you.
>when I look at humanity working endlessly at the rat race, it feels like rearranging the furniture on the titanic; all I can see are children building sandcastles and I feel like I'm the only one who sees the ocean wave coming. But what are we to do, sit and just wait for the tide?
>endless vapid consumerism. But we still gotta eat.
>endless competition with my fellow man. But socialism and communism don't work and only make for spoiled children demanding handouts without any independence.
>endless economic warfare. Dog eat dog world, but the alternative is death.
>want to produce art representing this struggle, don't care enough to do more than shitpost, as this life is inevitable, this is the future we choose, doompaul sums it up nicely anyway
>dying in my own stupid irony
Dat complicated post-modern-post-post-modern meta transcendence kinda feel.
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No.10716
>>10714
if this post isn't that art you wanted to produce, then you're not thinking post-modern enough
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No.10717
>>10714
Screencap this post and print it. Boom, fucking art.
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No.10902
I'm on the final pages of my sketchbook and I'm hesitant to finish it. Even though the end looks better than the beginning, it's not by much.
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No.10906
>>10902
Buy another one and stick it to the end of the current one so that the end of the current one isn't the end anymore.
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No.10908
>>10906
>pic
l*terally me after reading that post
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No.11133
>Start practicing fundamentals like line work, simple shapes and just trying to make things look more three-dimensional
>Feel my stuff getting better at a crazy fast pace compared to before
I thought fundamentals was just a meme and I was so fucking wrong
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No.11135
>>11133
>having fun
>getting better
>seeing progress
Get out.
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No.11136
>>11133
>Start practicing fundamentals like line work, simple shapes and just trying to make things look more three-dimensional
>Feel my stuff going nowhere at a crazy slow pace
<tfw ngmi
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No.11188
I STILL SUCK!
I STILL SUCK BALLS!
WHY!?
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY!?
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No.11191
>>11136
This is my feel. When I first started, I read a book that was basically just about drawing simple shapes, and it really did help me a lot, but things like those line exercises, or drawing gestures without anatomy seems like a waste of time. I don't even get what I'm supposed to be taking from it.
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No.11192
>>11188
Because you haven't put on the necessary mileage yet. Welcome to the club
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No.11200
I just want the voice to stop bros, it's been haunting me for over 10 years now. I'm sick of being a perfectionist and comparing myself to others even though I know art is a marathon alone with no finish line. I subconsciously can't push myself to pick up the damn pencil.
Other than suicide, is drugs and alcohol the only solution?
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No.11202
>>11200
The fact the mind can get in a negative feedback loop like that is terrifying. I believe in you bubbi ;-;
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No.11210
Holy shit I fucking hate human anatomy, especially everything from the elbow-down on the arm. What a mess. Now I remember why my suicidal urges kick in so much harder whenever I try to draw. God damn art to the blackest pit of the Lake of Fire. Holy shit I need to kill myself soon because it's clear I'm never going to make it.
>>11202
Drawing is psychological torture so your brain tries to avoid it. Pain avoidance instinct, the same thing that tells you not to touch hot objects.
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No.11243
>>11192
>mileage
I'm sick of this shit, it's like I'm at the mario 64 last staircase climbing forever just to look behind and see I'm still at the beginning. AND THEN PEOPLE SAY I NEED TO CLIMB MORE, I JUST WANT THE STARS. WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE STARS?
WHERE THE FUCK? EVEN 14YR OLD RETARDED GOOKS HAVE THEM, WHERE DID THEY GET IT? TELL ME.
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No.11244
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No.11260
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No.11291
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
REQUESTING PAIN-FREE or ABSOLUTELY SPECTACULAR SUICIDE METHODS
not really tho
KILL ME! DO IT NOW! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
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No.11315
>start drawing
>Can easily finish a half-decent drawing in 15-30 minutes, maybe an hour if I'm having trouble
>Start painting
>First hour really feeling it
>Then after 2-3 hours progress goes to halt
>Everything looks wrong, but can't figure out how to fix it without seeing over
>Attempts to fix it usually make it worse
>Start a new painting
>Repeat
What do I do /loomis/
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No.11317
>>11315
I think a lot of us overcomplicate the process-and no one's guiltier of that than me. Look at the work of an artist you really appreciate and try and break down what they've done within the confines of one color-shape to the next. ImagineFX magazine has like, a million digital painting tutorials and brush resources. I'm going to compile them all at some point soon. Their "blog style" website has a lot of good information too, I've found, though finding the resources allocated for each individual issue isn't as easy.
I highly recommend buying their $50 "complete your collection" deal on iphone or ipad in either case. I don't think I've ever opened an issue that didn't have answers to questions I'd had myself or I'd seen asked elsewhere.
https://www.creativebloq.com/imaginefx
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No.11318
>tfw drawing feet
Why has god forsaken me?
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No.11319
>>11318
Are you back, Footperson? Sorry we all bullied you but having dubiously drawn feet at 5000x5000 resolution in your face all day is no fun for anybody. Study the bones!
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No.11320
>>11317
To expand on that thought with an excessive but topical blog post, I think the $50 I spent on those ImagineFX mags will easily go further than a lot of the other stuff I've paid for over time. It covers more contemporary techniques from a huge variety of artists across the entertainment industry, even if it's cobbled together from issue to issue-I think for my personal goals the articles therein are generally more useful than a lot of that material being put out there by fine artists.
Right now I have a New Masters Academy lifetime membership and Proko's stuff. I think I regret NMA though because I'm so busy these days I can't sit down for a 4 hour lecture that Proko's often dreadfully obnoxious ass can summarize in 20 minutes-and what can then be viewed multiple times effortlessly; it's not that it's bad necessarily. I don't mind spending money for real shit, a couple thousand bucks is nothing next to a real art school, but if I had to do it all over again I'd probably stick with Proko who has the best 3D anatomical models, Matt Kohr for painting foundation, ImagineFX for miscellaneous techniques and inspiration and then my books which would be a very inexpensive and relatively complete online education.
Of course, personalized instruction is best but I don't think you could do much better as far as correspondence instruction goes is all I'm saying.
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No.11326
>Have drawn 126 boxes
>124 more boxes to go.
At this point, I think the real reason I started this was so that I'll give up on drawing before I start learning how to draw anything else.
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No.11334
>>11326
What's preventing you from drawing something else to make the boxes more fun? You could add tits to the boxes, for instance.
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No.11339
>>11334
Bouncing off if this guy you can also draw boxes with box holes or put various boxes together to make more complex boxes.
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No.11342
>>11326
Stop doing retarded draw a box. Everything is stolen from How to Draw Robertson book. The practice, the perspective, the construction - everything.
You can dick around with cubes and perspective without drawing 250 boxes and boring yourself to death. You could make them cardboard boxes with flaps, stacks of books, break real life things down into basic cube shapes, like a table with rectangle legs and tabletop or any number of things.
Mindlessly drawing cubes will only burn you out and make you hate it. If you are just starting out/making an attempt at art, focus on forms of real objects. Try identifying the major shapes of pieces. If digital, you can literally draw over images making shapes on them or print them off and do it. Take flyers or random catalogues and make shapes over top of the people, clothes, tools, etc. You'll get more out of that than drawing boxes non-stop with no real goal or direction.
Actually drawing something bad is better than never drawing anything real.
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No.11344
Hypothetically speaking, what if you had lost every drawing, animations, music, etc. you've made for the past decade?
Asking for a friend.
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No.11345
>>11344
I would make sure to check this dead board for any copies still lying around, otherwise I'd just get over it (maybe only because I've never created anything worth sharing anyway)
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No.11374
Anyone else here want to die?
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No.11375
>>11374
I've wanted to for a long time the only reason I haven't is because too many people in my life believe in me and I'd only feel worse about letting them down
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No.11376
I keep getting myself into this cycle.
>See neat art
>Want to draw
>My drawing turn out like shit
>I hate everything I make
>Give up for a while with little practice done due to self-hate
>Repeat
How do I break out of this?
The most i've actually done with drawing are shitty sketches with a mouse on drawpile. I end up constantly erasing the beginning lines due to hating how it looks, then drinking until I can draw something. I ended up puking after one of these.
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No.11378
>>11376
same. I feel silly being a 24 year old man with a drawing level of a grade schooler.
>How do I break out of this?
just keep drawing even if it sucks. we're all gonna make it eventually.
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No.11385
Just remember that garbage like this just sold for 90 million. If you suck Jew dick, you could be rich too.
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No.11386
>>11376
Stop doing this:
>See neat art
>Want to draw
You're giving yourself an unreasonable goal to start with. You need to somehow change your mentality so you can find enjoyment in drawing your own things, and accept that you aren't good YET so it's ok if it doesn't look as good as you'd like for now.
>>11385
wealth =/= happiness
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No.11387
>>11385
I like it. It's chill.
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No.11388
Ever since I discovered I have aphantasia I've never considered suicide as seriously as now. I've been drawing for years and did get better but I always had the feeling I couldn't be visually creative since everything I drew were either motor memory or applied physics. It's traumatizing.
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No.11390
>>11388
Do you have a proper diagnosis? Be careful not to auto-diagnose and make it an excuse to end your life or not work in areas you've got problems in.
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No.11391
>>11390
I've never had mental imagery once. Not even in my dream.
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No.11392
>>11385
Usually when shitty art is sold for that high of a price, there's money laundering involved.
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No.11398
>>11386
>You're giving yourself an unreasonable goal to start with. You need to somehow change your mentality so you can find enjoyment in drawing your own things, and accept that you aren't good YET so it's ok if it doesn't look as good as you'd like for now.
How many years can I keep that delusion up though?
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No.11400
>>11398
As many as it takes for you to make it. You cant suck forever. The time to stop sucking just varies individual to individual.
>>10441
Sauce? Who is this girl?
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No.11420
My self-esteem and confidence haven't been this low in a while. I've been on and off with trying to get good again and again for as long as I can remember, and every restart brings more despair with it than the last time. It's like I'm afraid to grind away and go through the repetition required to truly get the fundamentals down, so I just draw some porn shit every other night in my sketchbook and waste away doing fuck all. The saving grace with all this is that there's nowhere to go but up, even in spite of the past. Suicide simply isn't an option, nor can I will my body to do so. I just can't seem to give up no matter what.
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No.11422
>>11420
That picture is me whenever I see anyone else's art that is at a higher skill level than me (which is virtually everybody).
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No.11426
>>10463
>>10466
I like this test :3
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No.11430
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No.11431
>>10598
Just to be clear; this cat's mouth is shopped correct?
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No.11433
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No.11436
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No.11470
Reminder if your signature looks like this you've got 0 (ZERO) right to complain nobody ever visits your profile.
BECAUSE NOBODY CAN FUCKING FIND IT.
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No.11472
>>11470
If you don't sign your art no one will have trouble reading your signature.
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No.11473
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No.11543
I just don't know anymore.
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No.11544
>>11543
Same lad. I’m posting less than ever and getting worse by day.
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No.11546
>>11543
>he knew at some point
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No.11548
>>10498
>>10499
Draw more, faggot.
t. the intermarriage is grape man
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No.11549
>>11548
I can't see shit, but what I can see looks okay. Keep it up
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No.11550
>>11548
>draw more
This meme is gay. The more I draw the more I want to die.
It starts being fun and challenging, you are taking a subject you are not used to and learn things at a reasonable pace. Then you realize you spent 3 days with almost no progress and you just feel trapped in an eternal loop of drawing the same shit and it looking like crap.
Art is gay.
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No.11551
>>11550
he is not wrong tho
I wouldn't still be at this level if I drew for hours everyday
tbh the best thing you can do is have someone that knows what they're doing help you along, the second best thing you can do is draw as much as you can
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No.11553
>>11549
Looks better blury. Barely captured his likeness, didn't get the expression or slight tilt back of the head, and so chicken scratchy and scribbled "shading". Okay being generous in the light of day. Tbf it was a quick sketch done in the dark in bed, but this morning I tried to fix it, and arguably fucked it up more.
>>11550
I know that feel. I think we all do. Try and keep in mind the overall arch of progress, even if it's small, and enjoy the process. Only a few months ago I started drawing again after not quitting but falling out of practice a few years, and the last image (also shot in the dark, bad habbits) was the best I could do.
>art books are boring
Ones like Loomis' fun with a pencil are 140 pages, easy to digest, simple, and have a bit of humour and pep talks. No wonder it was/is so successful over 70 years later.
>>11551
I'm no great artist as you can see, but personally I've found even if you do 15 minutes to an hour a day, some "serious" practice some days and just doodling not worrying to much about the result and tossing it on others, that's better than nothing. Not to say bad practice is good, still make sure you're not tired, frustrated or distracted too much as you draw.
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No.11555
>>11551
Your cubes are misshapen. Follow your lines of convergence. There are 3 sets of 4 that all converge on teh same point - if they dont, you have a mistake. Even without doing it, you can see the top left cube has curved lines and the draw through lines in the back dont even meet at the corner properly. When shading a side, you should be shading the front facing plane unless doing a light study. Your lines for the cubes are scratchy and wobbly. Many extend past the corner, showing lack of control. Fundamental line problems that can be fixed with basic line exercises daily as warmups.
For the human, the proportions are out of whack. Most parts of body are broken down into size based on the head. Forearm and upper arm are roughly equal (yours has a much longer forearm). The hand is roughly 3/4th of the head and close to equal to the forearm and upperarm (yours is extremely tiny). The chest and hips are roughly equal is size. Males have wider shoulders than hips and women have wider hips than shoulders, but roughly a head height each. The thighs and calves are the same height - your calves are longer. Feet have more general diversity in size, but are roughly the same as hands. Hard to tell wiht shoes on yours and angled.
Basically, your figure has a tiny head, tiny hands, gorilla arms and a giant torso. He gets much bigger as he progresses to his feet.
My initial guess is you drew this start with the head and arm and moved towards the feet. You probably completed each section in whole before moving on. It feels like you never stepped back and noticed the proportions changing as you progressed.
As you put him on a bed and knew the positioning before hand, you should have mapped out rough proportions. Basic gesture pose into basic shapes. You would notice proportion mistakes from tehre and fix easily. After that, you could add more details and finalize your lines.
Always break subjects down into the main area you want it to encapsulate. This would be the rough silhouette or a basic squared off section the object would encompass. Then break that primary shape into secondary (head, chest, hips, etc). As humans are so complex, youd have to then treat each of these parts as their own primary shapes. Hands have the palm shape, then each multiple joint for the fingers - you can treat the fingers as one major shape as well and carve fingers out in the final steps. Forearms have multiple muscles. Yours is a giant hambone/club shape. You have straight lines when the forearm curves up into the elbow. If you have the basic cylinder or ellipse for the forearm, youd then be able to break it down into the musculature shapes that form the contour. Same for other limbs.
That's not to say you have to make a huge anatomy study of the body for this process. Take proko's quick tutorials on it - https://www.proko.com/how-to-draw-the-forearm-anatomy-for-artists/
See how you can break the forearm into a couple of distinct shapes? More advanced work would come into play if you had an extremely muscular/super hero arm, but that would be tertiary shapes. Primary = ellipse/cylinder encompassing total size of forearm, secondary = breaking into 2-3 main sections of muscle (the girl's arm for ex) and tertiary would be any detailed muscle groups if they had been flexing or in shape, etc. But it all starts by having the basic primary shape. If you draw it all in one go without a primary shape and proportion, you end up running out of room or horribly oversized and other proportion issues.
Set boundaries for your objects. Map their proportions onto those boundaries before you start detailing the object. This applies to all things, not just humans. If you draw a house and start from foundation and work up, you likely get larger and larger as you move up or run out of room and squeeze the roof and upper floors onto it. If you set the foundation height, ground floor height in relation to foundation, roof height, etc, you can then construct the house free hand without worrying about running out of room or going out of proportion.
Hopefully not too critical. You'll see better gains if you focus on basic construction. Lines can be erased, darker lines can be added. Digitally, you can use layers. But starting with shapes until body construction is second nature will help you long term.
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No.11557
>>11555
okay
drew straight lines for like a month, and I still can not fucking do it
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No.11560
>>11553
>>11548
It was always over. It never even began.
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No.11626
>tfw I have to fix colored artwork after realizing how fucked up the proportion is.
Why can't I noticed that shit earlier before I started coloring my artwork? For whatever reason, its hard to see those sneaky looking error in your drawing especially when it's behind with another object and not colored.
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No.11645
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No.11649
I don't want to be alive.
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No.11658
Samefag who just tore up his already-battered sketchbook yet another time. I've lost count of how many of these fucking Satanbooks I've had to punch and tear in half now. I feel nothing but constant bitterness, depression and anger every single day for years and years now. I hate being such a useless fucking shit that can't fucking do anything right. Some people really should not exist.
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No.11659
>>11658
Stop using sketchbooks and start using printer paper lad. If you're so bad you're engaging in auto-erotic asphyxiation it would certainly help to at least be fiscally prudent moving forward. Perhaps you're trying to learn too much at once. Focus on basic observational drawing and it will strengthen all of your work moving forward.
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No.11660
>>11659
I've actually been at this for years now. I went from practicing for hours and hours a day, to slowly losing all motivation because of the sheer mental pain I felt. I can barely even do an hour now without tearing my shitty Satanbook up in frustration. My brain now associates drawing and art with pain and I have avoidance instincts for it, the same way you avoid open flames or a hot stove. I can barely practice anymore, it sucks so fucking much and I know that even if I practiced 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, I'll never get to where I want. I assume my genetics/upbringing also play a role in this, I'm probably also retarded as fuck and can't learn anything properly.
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No.11661
>>11660
LITERALLY me except I don't break anything. From one retard to another I'm sure you're learning albeit super FUCKING slowly. You have to try and force a positive attitude or you indeed won't get anywhere before you die of old age.
"Whether you think you can or whether you think you can't-you're right" and whatnot. Psychosomatic sh*t, nigga. Brute force it, just say out loud how much fun you're having and how happy you are etc. no matter what a giant lie it is and how much of a big gay you feel like you're being-you might even come to believe it.
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No.11663
>>11661
At this rate I'll be dead from suicide, old age is completely out of the question. God knows these fucking Devil scribbles aren't helping anything. I can't force positivity, it doesn't work for me. I think I'm just one of those people destined to fail, which makes sense. Not everyone can be a winner, somebody is going to lose and it looks like I'm one of those people. I won't give up art but I know it's all worthless and as Peter Hitchens said up top, it was always over.
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No.11664
>>11658
Have you tried meds? After a few month of ADs I came back to drawing after not having drawn for months.
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No.11667
My skills have completely degraded. In the past 3 year where I have been to art uni where the portfolio I used for entry has way better art than anything I have done during these 3 year. I find myself unable to draw anymore only produce doodles or shitty sketches at best. What the fuck do I do? I find all my desire for drawing and interest in art evaporated. I can't do shit now.
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No.11668
>>11667
Post your shit, both the good stuff you did back then and the shit stuff you do now.
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No.11669
>>11667
>art uni
Scary to be honest family
>>11668
Seconding
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No.11670
>6 gorrillion layers of 4b and it just kept getting worse and worse as I went on
JUST.
>>11649
>>11658
>>11660
>>11663
Pat?
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No.11675
>>11670
thats a nice looking cloud. keep up the good work.
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No.11676
>>11668
>>11669
I can show my old stuff from a powerpoint I have but for the rest I've actually barely drawn in general and other work I have isn't 2d nor pen and paper. I feel like shit, I wanted to learn 2D animation but regressed by fundamental art skills because I haven't used them and have lost motivation to use them. At best I could dig up for a pre-production project(that a shittily coloured with photoshop) or photograph my sketchbook that has even shittier work. And what I'm showing is from a year ago, now I feel like I'm even worse.
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No.11677
To any kids out there: Just fucking skip collage or university. Not just art, anything, just skip that shit, you will regret it and everyone around you will regret it if you go. Take up private lesson or just join x preparation or license lessons for what you want to do.
Just don't go to uni.
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No.11679
>>11676
Seems like you just don't understand/remember stuff.
Try drawing from life, maybe you'll remember how to draw.
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No.11680
>>11676
Old stuff is fantastic. If you could do that before, you can learn to do it again. Believe in yourself and you will still never pay off your debts from doing a pointless course at university.
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No.11682
>>11676
I feel like you're comparing work you've made with a model (the old work) and work you've made from imagination (new work).
Try comparing the same kind instead (old art from imagination vs new art from imagination or old art from model vs new art from model).
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No.11704
I've noticed I get so tense and concentrated when I draw that I mimic each stroke by clenching my teeth. I'm not even particularly full of rage but it's like I'm physically carving shapes on my tablet with great effort.
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No.11722
>>11704
That's pretty good art for a 10-year-old
Was it ever confirmed this was the Barron Trump and not some other kid named Barron Trump?
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No.11723
>>11722
Isn't it? I certainly appreciate his choice of subjects.
No one will ever know.
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No.11754
I don't know what to draw
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No.11772
>>11754
Open the dictionary to a random page and draw the first word you see
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No.11773
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No.11784
3dfag here and I need some consoling about being avoidant etc.
1 year and a half ago, I was able to make models frequently and was comfortable with laughing at my dumb attempts. But now that I've gotten better and mediocre at least, I've began feeling avoidant of making art. Even practicing makes me upset because its boring as hell + I get unreasonably angry when I screw up. I tried a break but it's almost been 2 weeks since then.
Someone just tell me how to get through it and not think too much about irrelevant depressing shit.
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No.11785
>>11784
With few exceptions were all on the verge of throwing ourselves over the precipice here so admittedly we're not likely the best group to ask for advice on how to not hate ourselves and our art.
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No.11786
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No.11787
Just tore up another shit failure drawing. I really hate this whole thing and I want to kill myself. My efforts are totally worthless and I'm going to fucking lose my mind.
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No.11788
I keep farting while I'm drawing, but if I get up I'll lose my concentration and I'm trying to get these fucking lines right, so I have to just sit there and smell it. I'm going to kill myself.
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No.11793
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No.11797
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No.11799
I know that I shouldn't get frustrated when I do a drawing from a guide book and doesn't end looking the same, after all is to practice, but it really puts me down that I don't seem to get even the simplest shape like a vase, it always ends looking like is about to melt. On top of that, my line control is shit.
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No.11808
Just wrecked yet another sketchbook I had just started on. I hate this, I want to fucking die so much. I am such an incapable retard. I wish they could just offer people like me euthanasia instead of lying to them all the time and trying to drug them into the delusion that they shouldn't kill themselves.
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No.11809
>>11808
Recycle your wrecked sketchbooks by making papier mâché.
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No.11810
>>11809
Already threw it all out. I'm using cheap printer paper now. Maybe they can make art out of my blood when they find my suicide corpse.
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No.11813
>>11797
Not really recommended unless you already have noose tied and debating whether to jump or not. SSRIs comes with a fuck tonne of side effects and results vary, most of the time, they'll just make you numb. You won't hit rock bottom, but nothing is satisfying either.
Dependency is a bitch too. Once I was off, depression came back 10x and I almost ended up pavement paint.
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No.11814
>>11813
I was actually prescribed SSRIs for Monk-tier OCD and not for depression; but it seems the side effects vary greatly depending on the person that takes them or the medicine despite the molecule being in the same family.
SSRIs seem to work well so far with no ill-effect other than a greatly reduced libido and a difficulty to climax, which is actually nice because you get to focus more on art and things you like other than fapping n-not that I myself really had a problem with that beforehand.
I also had cool sensations like the electricity in body and the hallucinations ones, but they went away.
As far as dependency goes I'll see in the future. I've heard about it too and it was a big argument against meds at first but I just couldn't bear it anymore.
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No.11815
>get ipad and (cr)apple pencil just because
>total cost: $450 or so after taxes
>apple pencil stops working/charging day 2
I didn’t ask for this
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No.11816
>>11815
Notice the little nib at the top is a bit further away from the base of the (((pencil))) than it appeared earlier.
>twist it back on and I’m back in business
It just werks
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No.11817
This thing is hard to draw on fr*ck
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No.11818
>>11817
The Ipad? What's the appeal, drawing digitally on the go?
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No.11819
>>11818
Yeah, I thought it’d be nice to try it. It’s definitely on par with/better than anything Wacom has available but it still takes some getting used to. I much prefer my Intuos to the myriad alternatives I’ve tried and anything else feels less ergonomic and harder to use
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No.11820
>post work on anywhere, asking for anatomy advice etc.
>wait 1 hour or more, 30 min if I'm lucky
>1 comment
>"use reference"
I don't know if it's because I'm an impatient fuck but jesus christ of course I used some reference when creating my wip you mongoloid. I don't hate criticism and try to make the best out of all of them, but sometimes this specific vague critique just makes me annoyed.
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No.11821
>>11817
My attempt at digital drawing a generic male head on a non-drawing tablet with my finger using sketch.io.
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No.11823
>>11821
>punished Louis C.U.C.K.
I like it
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No.11824
>>11820
I think advice nowadays is almost impossible, you will always get some half-assed guy because there are so many artists that even the most good natured guy will be exhausted after few weeks of giving a good critique.
The thing is just doing it yourself, there's no other way. Or pay someone.
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No.11826
>>11824
>tired artists
yeah I understand that I guess.
>Do it yourself
I don't trust myself to give an honest critique towards my own art. It's either too negative or too positive.
>or pay someone else
Like individual critiques? It might work if I plan it out correctly.
>Make one piece
>Pay some artist to give at least a half page worth of critique on the piece, and maybe a little on what to focus on and how to do it
>grind for a month or so
>rinse and repeat
The only thing I need to know now is how much it costs in average (of 1 critique).
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No.11827
>>11826
I've seen some well known artists charge for 50 bucks a month for a critique, but if you search around I doubt you will have problems finding someone cheap and good enough for your tastes.
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No.11829
>>11820
Ask specific questions instead of just a generic, "how is it"?
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No.11834
>>11820
Draw something with reference then go to each part of the body and directly compare that single part with your reference and ask yourself “what does this show that I did not?” Also just looking at people and going out of your way to notice how bodies actually work in action. That’s how I came to the realization that shoulders are my biggest flaw in anatomy. I’d just keep looking at people’s shoulders and how the arms connect and try to figure out what the fuck is actually going on there
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No.11835
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No.11836
>>11835
You've got three "v"s in there
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No.11837
>>11836
Yeah that was from me CTRLl+Ving too much.
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No.11838
>>11837
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No.11846
>>11837
You know you can just hold ctr+v, right?
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No.11847
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No.11848
I finished the dumbass box challenge about 2 weeks ago and haven't drawn anything since.
Maybe I need a break, but I'm kind of worried. Although I did want to do other things before the year ended so hopefully I'll get back into it soon.
The funny thing is I don't feel like I've learned how to draw a box as much as I've learned how not to draw a box. I just gradually learned what I was supposed to do and gave up on finding a trick that would make it easier.
>>11339
That's literally part of the next lesson. He seemed to want people to do the box challenge before moving on though.
>>11342
People here seem to have a lot of mixed feelings towards the website, but outside of here its generally gets positive reviews for beginners. I know he's not good for stuff such as anatomy though.
I'll take a look at your book, but is there anything else you would recommend? Also is the website worthless or is it still useful even if it copies another book?
>Actually drawing something bad is better than never drawing anything real
That's interesting, because my reasoning for doing this was actually because I thought drawing without a basic level of skill and understanding would be pointless.
For example, before I started this shit I was tracing some pokemon online. And while I would improve after doing it a couple of times, I could really only trace them. I couldn't draw them from different angles given multiple reference images. And I felt like I couldn't understand anything about perspective.
It just seemed like there was no point to drawing anything if I could neither understand what I was trying to draw nor be able to do anything creative with a concept. I come from a background in mathematics so I may be taking the wrong approach to it.
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No.11849
Also Merry Christmas. Keep on chugging along.
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No.11854
>>11823
Tried to do a nose and keep it greyscale coz I know fuck all about colour. This took hours but was an oddly fun process. Really need a new laptop and to start trying this stuff in Photoshop. It occurred to me I actually used to do a lot of digital "art" making OC on chans.
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No.11857
>>11847
Kill it with fire.
>>11848
How to Draw by Robertston is perennial top selling in art. He has How to Render (sounds like computer stuff, but is basically shadows and what not). He has a video channel. Resource/art book thread has the books. Soon as you read a page or two, you'll immediately see how drawabox literally plagiarizes everything he did and dumbed it down for youtube money.
Drawabox isnt completely useless, as it steals from an actual artist and teacher, but sitting and drawing cube after cube isnt fun or interesting. Yes, its useful longterm, but most wont make it past the 250 box challenge. The leaps in skill to go to texture challenge is ridiculous when its starting from a 'you cant draw, lets focus on simple cubes and shapes'. The progression on the site is wonky. There's a reason you never see anyone asking for anythign except lesson 1 or maybe some terrible plant drawings help on reddit - he doesnt understand what he's teaching and cribbing from better people. It's nearly impossible to find anyone that's gone beyond the plant lesson and looking for help. THe few that show up are clearly leaps and bounds beyond the skill level of the courses and looking for e-praise from beginners.
I'm not saying never draw boxes or basic shapes. I meant it was better to focus on things you want to learn. Figure out the basic forms and shapes of that object and finish actual drawings, even poorly. As long as you are doing the basic construction properly, you have a basis to improve on and see tangible results.
If it was cars, you can learn how many wheel lengths a car is and basic proportions. They are box shaped and you can construct them and rotate them just like the box lessons. You'll get better at carving out the shapes of the car and curves and see actual cars over time getting better and more detailed while still practicing circles, cubes, perspective, etc.
If it's humans, you'll be doing oval heads, box chest and cylinders for arms - it doesnt have to be fully rendered people. Just getting basic shapes down and gestures/moving them about as mannequin-esque shapes. That is more constructive than 10 pages of cubes slightly rotated and no idea what you are doing wrong.
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No.11860
>>11857
>$21,000
When was that made? Calarts has been like $50,000 a year for three or four years now if I iirc correctly
Also, calarts style is GOOD, redart!
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No.11864
>>11860
For that matter, Calarts has been over $30,000 annually since the start of the 2000s. That picture is actually downplaying the severity of the situation, probably inadvertently. “Uh…21,000 sounds like a big number so I’ll just go with that instead of taking the 37 seconds to look it up”
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No.11867
>Watch 35-minute tutorial video on how to draw/shade/blend/render realistic skin in graphite
>The artist was able to draw/render photorealistic stuff in only 2 years
>Meanwhile I'm almost on my 5th year of drawing, can't do anything anywhere near what the artist can do
>Work is still worse than some people who post in /ic/'s beginner threads
>Now go days and days without drawing because it's pointless and just brings pain and wrecked art supplies
>Last time I tried to practice I had to take scissors to my arm to distract from the pain
Who else /feelinggreat/ here? I really, really am loving life and art and don't want to kill myself at all.
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No.11869
>>11867
You can’t live a positive life with a negative mind; try to face your problems with good humor instead of self flagellation tbh fella
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No.11900
>>10425
Maybe this was asked before, but do any of you guys make money by drawing shit? How hard is it to make at least $200 a month?
Art was the only thing I was good at, and I drew really well back in my NEET days, but I stopped because I needed cash and went to work. Now I'm a NEET again and I'm wondering if I should be searching for a job or getting a gallery read for patreon. I have about a month left before I run out of money.
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No.11901
>>11900
You won't be able to make 200 a month without clever marketing fella, and it'd probably take well over a month to get to that point. It's probably time to go back to work for now
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No.11906
>>11900
Try furry commissions with some high-octane fetish like inflation or hyper.
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No.11910
>>11867
Your mindset is terrible. If you don't believe in yourself of course you wont draw as good as you could.
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No.11911
>>11910
>tfw you don't believe in yourself but you like what you draw
I mean, if I didn't like it I wouldn't draw it.
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No.11913
>>11911
I wish I had the luxury of liking what I draw, I'm just not there yet. I think because I've spent 90+% of the time studying (i.e. glossing over while hardly paying attention to anything in particular) anatomical vocabulary, theory etc. and less than 10% of that time actually drawing I've left myself pretty stunted as an artist overall. I keep saying I'm going to change (I know what has to be done and have known for quite a while) but until I actually do I just can't trust myself to follow through
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No.11915
>try charcoal pencils for the first time
>laborious to lay down with always inconsistent shade
>got darker with 8b graphite
>graphite ball was easier, quicker and neater than charcoal
>why do meme artists like Proko even use this?
>try staining with a dab of coffee I'm drinking despite all the 'coffee' art I've ever seen being awful, even when the artist is good
>using fine liner for first time, have no clue
>them ink fumes
At least it's been an experiment.
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No.11917
>>11915
I read some reviews on DICK Blick drawing pencils being surprisingly high quality, you can get 144 of them for $62 (24 x 6 pencil value range) or $.47 each for 12 or more. I bought the former; I'm looking to do some graphite long studies so I can make a portfolio and maybe start tutoring 10-15 year olds. Will report back, nibba. I know Faber Castells are ridiculously expensive, so if these are as good as the reviews suggest it might be something to think of going forward.
I'm not a fan of charcoal either-mostly because I'm fucking autistic about shit getting on my hands. I've got nothing but General's charcoals and they have kind of a groady, sticky consistency that makes them annoying to draw with in my opinion
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No.11918
>>11917
Faber Castells are the graphite pencils I'm using. Got them for Christmas, but they seem inexpensive for the quality. Work out at about just under £1 each, here at least. Tbf the charcoal pencils are Brunel Franklin and about £2 for 12 so there'll be better ones probably. Got some watercolour pencils by them for the same price to experiment with yet. Hope they aren't just a shit brand. Wew.
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No.11920
Ah shit here’s one of the reviews I was thinking of specifically
>tfw Prismacolor got JUSTed by Mexicans
F tbh
https://www.fivepencilmethod.com/articles/pencil-test/
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No.11921
>>11913
It's the contrary for me. I've spent much, much more time drawing than actually studying. I haven't improved a lot but I've had fun, which is about the only advice I ever give when asked nowadays (with "drawing from life").
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No.11922
>>11900
A following is more important than skill for getting steady comms/ having a successful patreon. You're not going to build a fan base in a month.
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No.11932
>>11901
I'm thinking of drawing art for the latest animes/mangos/vidyas that get released, that way I can catch some of their popularity by being trendy.
>>11906
I don't mind doing fetish shit if it means making money, but damn… it will be like:
>what do you do for a living anon-kun?
>me? errr… n-nothing at the moment…
I will have to either lie to people or draw some other shit on the side or something.
>>11922
It will be really hard to draw after work. Fuggg…
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No.11933
>>11932
Post your work, lad.
From your post you'd implied you haven't drawn in quite some time. I'd be somewhat surprised if you're not a beginner larping at this point. Not that I think you're misrepresenting yourself, but in the end it comes down to whether you think you're personally able to garner support of one kind or another with your work-it's very common for people to openly daydream about what kind of money they might be able to make with an art patreon despite knowing they're not quite where they ought to be artistically yet, and having garnered no audience yet.
In either case, maybe Patreon isn't in the cards, but if you are at least competent with observational drawing you could easily become a tutor for your local community. I am pretty intent on doing as much myself, and I believe any artist that isn't a complete beginner has a decent shot at this.
>$200 a month as a baseline
Someone from the U.S. could hardly feed themselves on that little-which tells me you're probably south american and have a conveniently weak currency; if you're that guy that's posted pictures of a /fit/ Cheetah girl in the recent past you could easily be a tutor, but I don't think you'd be able to start a Patreon out of nowhere and expect to it to take off. Post examples of any clean work you have on local notice boards at highschools, hobby shops etc. and maybe you'll be able to drum up a few clients.
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No.11934
>>11933
I'm kind of embarrassed thinking you're South American after reading the post I replied to more closely. $200 a MONTH isn't enough for anybody to do anything bud, even if literally every last one of your expenses are covered that's a totally pitiable sum. You can make that much in like a day and a half working almost anywhere, man.
In conclusion it sounds to me like you're daydreaming; I'm not trying to be a bad guy here but I feel like you're wasting your time thinking about it when you should try and think about what you can do for real work inbetween working on your art. Many, many decent artists make absolutely nothing on Patreon, like this guy, would you say you have more to offer than they do?
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No.11935
>>11934
However, if you aren't joking about only needing $200 for whatever fuckin' reason take heart, you can make much more money than that with a part time job which will leave you plenty of free time throughout the week to improve your art, leaving you with the potential to perhaps capture patreon glory at a later date.
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No.11936
>>11900
it's really gonna depend on your skill level and how you choose to market yourself/go after jobs. assuming you're at a decently professional level (solid fundamentals, can design appealing compositions & work relatively quickly) 200 a month is nothing. just focus on building a strong portfolio and start actively searching for jobs. if you can't do that in a month, no worries, just keep working at it during your free time
if you really want it though you're gonna have to say goodbye to things like weekends and vidya, at least for a while building your skills & career needs to become your hobby as well as your job
being able to sustain yourself purely off of donations is not a short term goal and pretty much everyone who is doing it is building off of firmly established careers & fanbases. patreon is far from the only way to make a living with art though. if you're good there's work out there for you.
>>11934
honestly success on patreon has much more to do with your ability to cultivate an audience than it does with technical skill or how employable you are.
thdark is good but he doesn't really market himself that heavily. he maintains about the bare minimum in terms of web presence. if you look at the heavy hitters on patreon like ilya & saki, they're constantly putting out easy to market content several times a week.
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No.11939
>>11932
follow pixiv and nips and draw their trends. shit like virgin killer shirt, heart shaped bikini tops/boob windows, bowsette, etc all started there. follow the major players and you'll see shit like that and can draw and post your own variations and hashtags to get in the talk. make threads on anime boards and leddit and shit promoting it by mixing it in with others doing that on a throw away account, etc. deviArt groups will be quick. make patreon based tutorials and brush packs and on gumroad, etc. you can fucking download other peoples/steal theirs and post as content you 'made', too to pump up your patreon. super hero/comic book/manga tutorials, especially for inking and brush packs are free money at couple bucks a pack. poses and clothing packs, hair styles, etc all free money. put basic tutorials using them on youtube and tell them patreon for rest/more advanced. you can make couple thousand monthly doing nothing but copying others and odd live stream of your own content.
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No.11942
>lonely
>want to draw things so I could have something to share/talk/interact about with people
>remember how much attention I used to have in the past when I drew more
>but I was still lonely because I had "fans" but not "friends"
>struggling just to get started because the loneliness creeps in as soon as I switch the internet for an empty canvas
>try to look for requests for motivation
>remember that nobody will ever request something that's not some disgusting porn shit, and the more of my non-starters I cross while asking, the more butthurt people will be and the more "forced" and unimaginative requests I'll get
Why is it so hard
Sometimes I really regret "giving up" art, but when I start looking for ways to get back, I'm reminded why I wasn't too motivated to keep a hold of it. Drawing is fun and I like to look at things I've made and try my hardest to reach for things that inspire me and share things with people and do requests and stuff, but it's a very mentally difficult place to be in most of the time. Maybe it's different for people who aren't too socially retarded to make friends.
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No.11943
>start practicing
>getting better at the basics
>decide to start trying to draw stuff i like
>it ends up complete dogshit
shit sucks mane
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No.11944
>>11943
Tell me about it. Fuuuuck
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No.11945
When your son tries to tell your enemies you're Yoshikage Kira but he ends up activating "Bites the Dust"
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No.11946
>>11945
I can't say I've ever felt this art feel.
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No.11948
How is inspiration derived? I can't find it anymore. I just sat in front of a blank piece of paper for an hour. I drew a single circle.
All my motivation for years was my dumbass chuuni friends and the autistic stuff we'd dream up together. They all went their separate ways for their separate reasons. Now there's just nothing. I feel no fulfillment at all drawing for myself.
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No.11949
>>11942
are you still looking for friends anon? i'm pretty socially retarded too but it'd be nice to talk to someone else who draws
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No.11950
>>11948 again.
I am deadass fighting a panic attack because I feel nothing but cold and hollow towards the only thing I've ever shown proficiency towards besides video games.
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No.11951
>>11949
>>11948
>>11950
maybe you fags should make a discord server and try to get each other to not an hero and improve on your artor make a suicide pact and livestream it for us, whichever you decide on
anything for board activity
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No.11952
>>11948
From my experience the greatest sense of motivation and fulfillment comes from when you feel like someone cares or there's a meaning (besides looking nice) to the drawing.
When you join in the drawfagging of some character *coughLibbie*, designing a board-tan, some request that has lots of demand, drawing some thing from a conversation in a thread that sounded funny or illustrating some idea from it, drawing a friend's original character, or something like that.
I'm also oddly motivated by learning, I'm watching pic related on a stream right now and I'm like god damn, I want to learn how to draw hair like that why does he make it look so easy, so now I just want to draw hair.
On that note I'm basically incapable of drawing without having some fag drawing anime in a stream on the side, would recommend.
>>11949
Sure, but my immeasurable autism prevents me from using Discord or anything that requires google services (including captcha).
>>11951
I'd love to have a chat to lurk and never say a word in, but alas.
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No.11953
Forgot to include a link where to find art streams
https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Art
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No.11954
>>11951
>discord
I'm dubious about those IM things, like Skype and ircs.
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No.11955
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No.11956
>>11951
>discord server
>anything other than a negative association with any imageboard's activity
Discord is a psyop created and provided free of charge with no advertisements and industry leading VOIP audio to millions of people by a (((mysterious benefactor))) specifically to destroy legacy imageboards. It was and is meant to neutralize imageboard's influence and prevent them from ever competing with (((social media))) again.
Discord was literally made to keep gamers from rising up and you soyim have all fallen for it-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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No.11957
>>11955
Posting a link so nobody has an excuse. It's basically Discord, but based in Iceland, which has some of the strictest user-data laws in the world. End-to-end encryption, and if you so much as use the password recovery function, it wipes your logs permanently. They recently announced they're going to be moving to a P2P based system as well for total decentralization.
They have a browser client as well as apps for Windows, Mac, Linux, Android, and iPhone, plus browser plugins for Chrome, Firefox, and Opera.
https://unseen.is/
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No.11958
I wish I lived in Belgium. They have assisted suicide/euthanization for mentally fucked up people.
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No.11959
>>11956
>neutralize imageboard's influence and prevent them from ever competing with (((social media))) again
If that ever happens then it's the fault of imageboards for not innovating. Liveposting is a great idea that's only been tried a couple times, but it works pretty well for imageboards and has been fun every time. Meguca takes it too far and is owned by a faglord though. Just imagine if you could see replies instantly and keep multiple threads active and see notifications when someone posts into one, without having to use 800 browser tabs for it loading every thread constantly over and over again by the shitty auto-update system we have.
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No.11960
>>11959
>shitty auto-update system
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but it still feels luxurious having been from the days of mashing F5, especially in fast-moving threads. I get that better can be done, but at what point are we just reinventing IRC but with image embeds?
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No.11961
>>11960
It's pretty disgusting when you see how it works. Basically every single time it checks for new posts, it re-loads the entire page and processes the HTML and then browses for new posts from the page it generated, and then throws it away only to do it again 5 seconds later. Per thread you have open of course. 4chan's auto-updater is a little smarter but still not great.
>IRC but with image embeds
The imageboard would still function as a normal website if you disable javascript. I don't think I've seen a chat that lets you browse it without scripts. Also chats tend not to have post limits or keep old posts around
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No.11962
>>11961
I don't even into programming and even I know that's pretty bad. I've never tried liveposting. Maybe I should find a place and give it a shot. Sounds like chaos, but maybe that's good.
>>11952
I appreciate the suggestion. I'm watching something now and it's pretty zen to watch someone work. I like the image you posted, though. Can you share a link to that specific streamer? I'm watching https://www.twitch.tv/asuartsu .
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No.11964
>>11955
>>11957
Interesting
>>11959
I haven't really checked out sites like meguca but I hung aroung livechan for a bit, it was cozy, though if you were also there during the first exodus it was as hard to follow as a letterboxed twitch chat once 200+ people were posting at the same time.
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No.11965
>>11955
>>11957
Tried it out and it looks pretty nice. Doesn't shove any bullshittery in your face or require anything special to join/use, just type in account details and you're good to go. Very straightforward. I wouldn't mind using this.
However I don't think you can make an open group chat or join without making an account, so it's not a discord replacement or anything. You have to create a group chat and invite people from your contacts to join it, and I don't know if people other than the owner can invite people. It might be a bit of a pain if a single person has to keep inviting new people, but maybe you can give the power to others.
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No.11966
>>11948
You dont need inspiration. You need work ethic. If all you drew is a circle, you arent even trying to draw. You should have filled the page with random lines without thought and created an image of shapes and forms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJYGFwGhHnA
Starts about 2:20 in. Automatic drawing. Zentangle type stuff is also a good technique for warmups and getting you going. Fill a page with 9 boxes and fill them in. Some with hatching, some with concentric circles, some with scales. No set items. Just fill in patterns like the image attached.
Finding some inspiration for a major piece will grow out of actual drawing. You'll be warmed up and automatically filling out patterns and shapes and letting your mind flow onto paper in your warmups. Eventually, youll strike an inspiration and can move to fresh paper.
You can also simply force yourself to do a study or different art style you arent familiar with. A landscape, architecture, technical drawing, cityscene, comic book page, etc.
You arent going to have some muse from heaven come down and inspire you to greatness. No artist has. They have pages upon pages of scrap and random drawings and studies and patron's requests and even science and natural philosophy over the ages. The things they are known for today came out of that constant pushing of themselves. Do you think they all wanted to draw religious images and angels and shit? They were patrons of the church paying them to do it and providing them tools and time to do the other stuff.
Waiting for inspiration is an excuse not to draw. Pick up some staedtler water color pencils and learn to use that medium. Do some charcoal sketching. You like anime shit, so go read a chapter and redraw the entire manga on your own.
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No.11967
>>11958
They also have French fries, that are delicious. And comics.
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No.11968
>wow, maybe next year I'll be able to actually make some money with art already!
>1 year later I'm still shit
>wow, maybe next year I'll be able to actually make some money with art already!
>1 year later I'm still nowhere good enough
Maybe 2019, guys. I believe.
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No.11969
>>11968
In the time it takes for me to be good enough at art to do it professionally (assuming it's even possible for me, which it probably isn't), A.I. will be advanced enough to make all traditional artists obsolete.
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No.11970
>>11969
That's something I'm afraid of to. Maybe it's for the best for us to be replaced by cute bots.
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No.11971
>>11970
It would have been better to never be born or conceived in the first place.
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No.11972
>>11971
Considering our luck, that would be impossible.
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No.11973
>>11966
>You like anime shit, so go read a chapter and redraw the entire manga on your own.
Great tip, learnt more from that, than reading books and youtube videos.
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No.11976
>>11972
Well, hopefully sterilization/euthanasia/eugenics becomes more common in the future. Odds are it will.
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No.11977
>>11976
Not unless you manage to convince people that negative birthrates are a good thing and endless growth is not. Odds are that it will never ever happen before our civilization gets Rome'd, and then repeat the cycle endlessly.
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No.11979
>>11966
Work ethic, huh? I suppose I've never really had that with art. Not for lacking work ethic in general; art has always just been a neurotic outpouring of raw creative impulse in the pursuit of getting a positive rise, and I suppose perhaps validation/recognition/appreciation, from my friends. I've never "practiced" art. I've just done it, for over a decade, and let come what may. Which is probably why my technique is spattered with novice mistakes in spite of non-art types always telling me I'm pretty good. I've never been able to get in that headspace, of mechanically creating lines I feel nothing for. Maybe I should try treating it as a job for a while and seeing what happens. It seems to wholly go against what art is to me, but if my choices are that or never drawing again, I know I should pick the option that at least doesn't leave me stagnating forever for never having shown up to try.
Thanks.
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No.11983
Here's to another miserable year, /loomis/. Hopefully 2019 is the end.
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No.11984
>>11983
Happy New Year
I think we'll see the ramping up of various HAPPENINGS and then they'll come to a head in the memetically significant year of 2020. 2019 is the year the powder keg is topped off, stoppered, and the fuse is embedded.
As an aside, how much classic sci-fi will take place in the past once we pass 2020? Mega Man already does, since it starts in 200X.
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No.11986
It's a new year and a new you, fellas. Surely our glorious ascent into current year plus four will finally yield those ever-elusive art gains that may have evaded many us for (((some reason))) thus far.
Time to leave the laziness, the stubbornness and the chemical imbalances bordering on psychopathy in the past where they belong, as of right now that ain't us anymore, nigga. The new year has magically made any problems we were having just hours ago-financial problems, medical problems, girl problems, brain problems-all go away.
Goddamn that feels good, doesn't it? This is your time, boys.
Consider using today to reflect on what you've been doing so far.
What are your long term plans and short term art goals?
What worked in years prior (if anything) and what are some new things you're going to try?
What are some regrets you have and how are you going to make sure that you don't keep falling into that same old bullshit?
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No.11987
I'm new to drawing, but is it just me or is everyone retarded?
The only way to improve at imaginative drawing is to improve visual memory, where you imagine your brains ideal forms you've conditioned over the years, but the only point you ever imagine is before you place your pencil on the paper, implying you don't actually need to do so to improve. Guides say to draw anatomy over and over till you get it, but they never notify that you need to actually imagine how they'll form inside your mind. Which seems useless to me. Can someone enlighten me?
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No.11988
>>11986
>What are your long term plans and short term art goals?
Start properly practicing/studying things that I usually struggle with, like adding color to a lineart and not having it look shit. I want to understand what I'm doing wrong. I rarely practice anything, I get passive learning while drawing because I naturally try to understand what I'm doing as I draw.
>What worked in years prior (if anything) and what are some new things you're going to try?
In terms of getting me to stop being a lazy ass who doesn't do anything, I found out last year that lurking something where people are doing art related stuff (chats and streams) has worked pretty well. I'd like to find something like a discord chat, except without discord.
>What are some regrets you have and how are you going to make sure that you don't keep falling into that same old bullshit?
Ignoring art for the sake of depression other projects/vidya and such. I want to keep drawing regularly even if I'm feeling lazy or if some other thing feels more interesting. I'd like to think that I'm not going to repeat the same mistake now that it's happened, but we'll see.
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No.11989
>>11987
There's 2 ways to learn anatomy and one of them is objectively wrong and I don't care what anyone else says. The wrong way is to just draw it over and over until you start to inherently get the hang of it somehow and understand what kind of shapes to draw with maybe a dash of muscle memory involved. The correct way is to actually try and understand what shapes you're looking at and build a 3 dimensional understanding of the volumes and how they connect and how they change when they move.
What happens in your mind as you translate your understanding of the subject onto paper probably varies a lot from person to person.
>The only way to improve at imaginative drawing is to improve visual memory
Being able to mentally manage a shape 3 dimensionally and rotate/bend/stretch/manipulate/put it into perspective when drawing is a separate skill from just understanding the shape.
>the only point you ever imagine is before you place your pencil on the paper
You kinda do it nonstop. You draw something, then you look at it to see if it looks right, then modify or add things to make it better until you reach either "don't care anymore" or "don't know how to go further". Then repeat it over and over with basically every line you draw.
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No.11990
>>11989
>The correct way is to actually try and understand what shapes you're looking at and build a 3 dimensional understanding of the volumes and how they connect and how they change when they move.
Wouldn't watching a video of person moving help infinitely more then, than reading books and looking at static poses? But all of the drawing references seem to be just pictures.
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No.11991
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>>11986
I read your post while listening to the main/title theme to Helldivers. If you don't know it, it meshed ridiculously appropriately for tone. Embed related.
>Long term plans and short term art goals
Long term plans? Undecided. I would love to live in a world where I could make a comfortable living on art, but it's just not the case. I think I'd be happy enough to provide indie games my brother intends to make with art assets. A financial kickback would be secondary, but much appreciated. Short term? I don't know. That's kind of the issue. I was the one having a meltdown earlier about why I even ever drew in the first place, and what to do now that all that influence is gone. I guess for the moment my goal is to immerse myself in media and keep looking for mental hooks that draw me forward. It's less of a motivation thing and more of an existential basis thing, so 'getting over it' isn't really an option. But being around people, even electronically, who are actively engaging in art, seems to help. Oddly, live streams are way more helpful than recorded videos, so I think some part of me is looking for a sense of active community to it.
>What worked in years prior and what are new things I'll try
That's kind of my dilemma at the moment; what has worked before no longer does. And I think I already covered what I'm trying that's new. I'm also taking a crack at ADHD medication again, since the last time I was on it I had some unresolved medical conditions that caused it to do more harm than good. I can tell my energy is way up, as is my focus, but I've still got a rampant aversion reflex that I think is more an anxiety reaction than lack of attention span. I need to work on my anxiety levels; I've already dabbled with over the counter alternatives like CBD oil and kratom, which help a bit, but ultimately they're just numbing a wound. I need to find out if I can heal it. It's crippling even when trying to read a book, nevermind really learn from something.
>Regrets
Practically all of my habits are bad. I over-focus on tools and work environment rather than practice/technique, my emotional connection to art is tied up in other people rather than myself, I learned to draw from weebs who didn't know the tibia from the femur so my anatomy is trash, so on and so on. I get really discouraged when things don't turn out well, sometimes leading to manic avoidance, other times leading to depression spirals. In some ways, I have to shunt off everything I've learned from method to mindset and re-learn how to exist.
I'm actually in the middle of avoiding doing anything art related right now, which is why this post might be so large. Procrastination was an early-life survival strategy for shitty depressing reasons not worth going into, so I default to it as a reflex rather than just ennui, disengaging and avoiding things I know I should be doing.
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No.11992
>>11990
Being able to see it from many angles or as it moves IS extremely helpful, but it's very very hard to find that kind of resources, and you can't put it onto a book or otherwise share it easily. Needs to be in high enough quality to be able to see the body shapes properly, and the person needs to be in little to none clothing.
Though you need to do the drawing either way, no amount of watching videos will make you good at drawing anatomy because having the knowledge in your head is not the same as the ability to put it onto the canvas.
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No.11994
>>11987
>but the only point you ever imagine is before you place your pencil on the paper, implying you don't actually need to do so to improve
Yes and no. Observation is a big part of learning how to do things but some people have better observational skills that help them in the long run, others learn via trial and error. I think it helps to know what your strengths and weaknesses are.
>What are your long term plans and short term art goals?
Long term I want to reach that point where I can basically paint any monstrosity I want, but painting is like a side project for me. I'm also writing/drawing a comic that I want to be printed, and a reboot is in the process that will take a long time. In the short term I have about 10 pages I need to do.
>What worked in years prior (if anything) and what are some new things you're going to try?
Working around a solid schedule got shit DONE, so I need to get back up again. I have an idea for a silent one shot or potential mini series that I need to do. I also want to try to be more creative with new art in general.
>What are some regrets you have and how are you going to make sure that you don't keep falling into that same old bullshit?
My normal art and drawings suffer because I won't put in the effort to make something actually worth looking at. I think it's because i'm used to doodling garbage that actually doing illustrations wears me out halfway through and I just give up- so either the art is unfinished or it's a mess because I forced myself to finish it and didn't show it any love. Maybe the answer sounds obvious but i'm not sure how to keep myself from becoming bored with a drawing before moving onto the next one.
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No.11996
>>11992
>very hard to find
That’s exactly what’s in Proko’s shit; 3d models of bones and muscles you can view at any conceivable angle and his “anatomy in motion” series is great, too
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No.11997
>>11991
Literally me. I haven't tried drugs yet but I just might. If I'm not more productive this year I'm definitely going to.
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No.11998
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No.12001
I tried to stop going to imageboards as a New Year's resolution but I like you guys too much.
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No.12002
>Literally never gotten commissioned even though i've got an okay following
>skill is meh but i've seen people who are shitter than me get like 2-3 commissions a week
how the fuck do niggas do it
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No.12003
>>12002
What kind of things do you draw? I've been asked if I took commissions a few times, which I link to the fact I sometimes draw naked tits on monsters, which some people enjoy very much (including myself)
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No.12005
>>12002
make fake commissions. the implication that other people are buying stuff is sometimes enough to make others buy it. so slap some watermarks on a small image you made and say it was sold as commission. do this every week or so and people will be like 'oh shit, i can get him to make my furry communist nazi orgy horse porn' and youll be rolling in the money soon.
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No.12007
>>12005
Delightfully devilish.
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No.12017
>tfw my [ >>12015 ] routine:
>1: Don't draw under ANY circumstances
>2: If you absolutely must draw, just do simple anatomy studies from observation you can feel relatively good about for a few hours a couple days a week
>3: Build up nerve to try [thing I've been avoiding] (figure drawing, line inking, proper digital painting, color, perspective)
>4: What a surprise: I've hardly ever done it and subsequently it's shit
>5: Run away from drawing entirely for months at a time
>6: Repeat step 1 after crying about it on the internet to my fellow kids despite having a strong idea of what I should be doing if I EVER want to progress.
Why am I like this; how do I change what is so obviously a glaring psychological issue
>>12005
This is a fantastic idea; it's the same reason that you put money in a tip jar yourself when you work in the service industry. Bait money, as peculiar as it sounds, it really works.
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No.12020
>>12017
A lot of social behavior is predicated on social precedent and consensus-seeking. Studies show that if you put a bunch of people in a room for any task, and provide snacks, the individuals will attempt to eat as much as everyone else. So breaking the ice is way more important than people give credit for. The whole 'be the change you want to see in the world' is not just a good philosophical mindset, but literally how it works.
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No.12036
>>12005
absolutely devilish
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No.12038
>>12005
You are either a Jew or Alberto fucking Einstein.
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No.12039
>>12005
Now I'm starting to wonder how many artists I follow have done this at some point.
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No.12043
>>12003
…Evergreenplate? Is that you?
>>12005
Good idea I was thinking that myself actually.
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No.12045
I almost never finish my paintings/drawings because I like more the sketching part and the details are so fucking boring I can never stop and do them.
I don't even know if I should force myself, I might puke all my life force if I do.
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No.12049
>>12043
No, but I've seen the fella around, though I didn't know he browsed /loomis/. He does take commissions but I've never tried getting paid for drawing.
>>12045
What if you only add details to the focus of your paintings/drawings?
For instance, if you draw a figure, you'd only add details to the face, or a certain set of muscles, etc.
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No.12079
>>12049
I don't know, after a certain point I just want to be done with it. I guess I chose the wrong thing to go after.
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No.12080
>started to try to get gud at 20, over a year now
>still shit due to me not knowing what I am doing, and procrastinating
>have to get a job soon, going to try to get a job on a boat. Never had a job before, don't if I'll have time to practice
welp, fuck
not quitting if I can help it
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No.12081
>>12080
van gogh didnt start until he was 28. monet started around 40 when his wife died. jack kirby didnt create all the comic characters til like 36. most people dont have the experiences in life to truly bring life to canvas. their works may have technical merit while young, but until theyve really lived, no amount of skill will allow them to truly create.
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No.12082
>>12081
I want to make porn. not try to be great artist that leaves a legacy that would endure a civilization collapse, just think it would be cool if to be able to draw something that people are able to fap to, or to make a comic of some fanfic I like or story I have had in the works.
don't have any great insights into the world I want to express via art, but I get your point. age is nothing to be worried about.
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No.12083
>>12082
>not wanting to leave behind porn so great that it endures the collapse of our civilization and brings hope and many boners to survivors in the new world
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No.12091
>>12081
Monet already drew from a young age though.
>Even as a kid he was able to make some extra money drawing pictures of people. Around the age of eleven, Claude entered a school for the arts.
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No.12102
>design super slutty character
>draw porn of her, as a shitpost
>ironically enough, she actually looks pretty hot
>really hot.
>To me, anyway.
>Wind up drawing more, and jerking off literally four times in a few hours
>mfw I've become good enough at art to draw porn that actually gets my dick rock hard, and wanting more
At last I understand why so many artists are complete and utter perverts. This power is to great for us mere mortals.
But it feels so good.
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No.12105
>>12102
Lust is a sin, anon. Please accept Jesus Christ into your life and ask for His forgiveness.
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No.12106
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No.12109
>>12102
>mfw I've become good enough at art to draw porn that actually gets my dick rock hard, and wanting more
>that feel
>>12106
Seconding.
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No.12114
>>12102
Fapping to your art is like fapping to your own asshole. You are sick.
Still, post it.
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No.12115
Don’t post it, you’ll be condemning your soul to eternal damnation!
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No.12117
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No.12118
>>12114
Frick you, maybe your're art looks like an asshole but mine looks like a hairy vagina.
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No.12120
>tfw It takes me almost a week to finish a drawing
It takes me very little time to do the rough line art but then when I have to do the clean, final line art it takes me fucking days.
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No.12123
>>12120
That's nothing.
Try coloring it at really decent quality.
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No.12124
>>12118
>maybe your're art looks like an asshole
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No.12166
>tfw even the bottom of your cup of coffee becomes sentient and draws better landscapes than you do
JUST. But also, pretty neat.
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No.12170
>get off from work
>feel like shit mentally so go straight to sleep
>wake up 4 hours later
>feeling fluffy and mildly motivated to work
>make the fatal decision of refreshing the 8chan tab I had open since morning
>read a few things containing stupid shit, retards, incorrect opinions, blackpills, goons baiting people, idiots replying to bait
>feel like shit and completely unmotivated again
Maybe, just maybe, 8chan might not be good for my life
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No.12171
>>12170
if you arent miserable, you cant make art.
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No.12172
>>12171
Bullshit, I'm totally happy and I make a lot of art.
I-it's true, honest.
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No.12173
>>12172
>posting on an even more obscure indonesian basket weaving image board
>happy
Pick one.
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No.12175
>>12173
Can't I just be… "content"?
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No.12178
>>12117
>>12114
>>12109
>>12106
>>12102
I'm just going to mozy over to the resources section get what I need and never come here again
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No.12194
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No.12213
>be a diagnosed schizoid
>be bigoted as hell
>people and fellow artists sometimes take interest in my work and try to talk to me
>end up pushing them away because of what they draw/who they are and because I'm not comfortable forming any kind of acquaintanceship or friendship
>too emotionally blunted to know how to explain my situation
>everybody ends up thinking I'm an asshole
>probably am
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No.12214
I wanted to make a manga comic
So I started thinking really hard about what to actually put into the page
And realized it's much harder than you'd imagine
If art has infinite possibilities, a comic has infinite infinities. Basically everything about normal art applies, but you have to do it several times per page, make them all fit into a page, decide on what the characters should say and how/where the scene flows and how they express and what they say in each panel, make it follow a plot and keep the plot engaging without dragging it on or creating unnecessary drawing work… even a small change like changing camera perspective or deciding which panel to make bigger will have a big impact on what the page will look and feel like.
I just thought it was an interesting revelation, which is weird because I've made comics before and never felt like this stuff mattered much, I just drew everything on a whim. Maybe it's the influence of manga which puts much more emphasis on speaking visually. Or maybe it's because I care more about it.
Mildly related but I also find it interesting how manga sometimes puts characters outside panels like pic related to give them a lot of room and focus. I'd have never thought of it myself except for something meta meme-y like a character jumping out of a panel.
>>12213
>no post in 2 and half days
>about to click the send button
>someone else posts
m e m e m a g i c
I lost an acquintance by speaking my mind about some things without really thinking about it. It was only in hindsight I realized that what I said looks really bad in the eyes of people lacking an imageboard-style mindset.
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No.12215
>>12214
Comics arent that complex. Even the page you posted copy and pastes the top left and bottom panel. Changes her mouth and removes highlight from eye. That's it. the roses and sparkles are from clip studio paint and not drawn. Likely the characters are 3d models traced over, as I have identical templates for the dress and hands on face poses.
As this person used very flat angles and ignored the comic book medium completely, it comes off like a tv thumbnail or storyboard. its very easy to make this type of comic, especially with csp. literally everythign you see in manga is traced or pasted from toners.
Too lazy to get some manga pages, but virtually every classroom, building, temple, car, motorcycle, books, shelves, tvs, - everything but the characters - are traced/line art created by csp/pasted toner premade 'art'. And even the characters are a lot of times from 3d models, particularly for slice of life or shojou type stuff.
Take a look at these images from american comics - they are shittier attempts by garbage tier artists that comics use today. That Spider-Man cover's entire background is from google sketchup. It's not drawn. He pasted it on. Spider-man's position is arbitrary and does not match perspective and nowhere for the ledge he is on in New York at that height relative to perspective. Lighting is fucked too. The giant car monster? Those are all sketchup or csp 3d models of cars pasted together on a 3d model of a human. He didnt draw anything for it. The overpass is from sketchup as well. Almost the entire 2 page splash is not drawn by anyone. The other option is photobashing like the Thanos page - take a real image and make it your own background. csp can convert to lineart or you can use photoshop to do it yourself.
Finally, the last image shows some simple composition for guiding readers eye around a page from panel to panel. Your manga page fails at this as the contrast is in the middle with her dress, then to the high contrast white sparkle sfx and then you want to drift to her holding her face when you should be drawn to the top left for sequence. That's bad design, but very quick and easy to plot and layout, which is what most manga do.
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No.12216
Reading about people who hate their own drawings and the process of drawing gives me a lot of joy, I love that negative energy.
>>12214
If you haven't checked out "Framed Ink - Drawing and Composition for Visual Storytellers" you probably should. It explains a lot of stuff that might make you feel that you have a piece of an idea of what you're doing.
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No.12217
>>12215
Fucked up car monster image. The image used has sketchup cities that werent drawn. even the coffee mugs are from sketchup. The car monster i mentioned is in this post. i grabbed some manga pages to show it from that to make up for it - boku no hero academia is popular now and if you look at any chapter, there are maybe 4 panels that have backgrounds in total. rest are just speed lines. that takes little to no time to draw. these images show the handful of backgrounds an issue might have. these trees and rocks? those are from csp or toner assets. its not drawn. not a single leaf or rock is drawn by a human. speed lines arent even drawn either - simple process to add them to a page.
there are very few mangaka that actually do any work. vast majority just follow templates and phone it in week to week. you are giving it way too much credit for difficulty of the average comic/manga.
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No.12219
>>12215
>Comics arent that complex
It's much easier to analyze a page someone else made than it is to make one yourself when you have to think of all the things involved. You have a scene in your head but there's a million and one ways you could possibly present it as a comic, all the different ways characters could react to things and different ways to convey moments and kinds of panel setups or even different scenes that those differences could lend themselves towards.
Take for instance pics related (for context he just left the building where the girl was), I changed the order of the panels and even omitted one but it still works and feels slightly different. And that's just the panel order, I can see several different ways to alter the camera angles and other things in this page. Like imagine if the top panel with the guy standing was full page width, and make it highly detailed with leaves floating about to give it a sort of dramatic feel. Or you could do the same to the building image instead. You could instead have a panel where he's very close to camera in the foreground, maybe head turned back, or maybe his face is cropped off, with the building in the background.
Also the page I posted wasn't a good example of what I was talking about, it was for the character being outside panels.
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No.12220
>>12215
Unless practices have changed substantially over the last decade, most mangaka don't even do digital. It's all pencil and ink.
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No.12236
>>12216
>Reading about people who hate their own drawings and the process of drawing gives me a lot of joy, I love that negative energy.
Take some of mine; I absolutely hate my stuff.
Pic related. I almost never post my art online because I know it's probably not really worth asking for advice when there's a million things I could drastically improve, and on top of that, I'm just embarrassed to post it in the first place. Any of you guys ever feel that way?
Apologies for the whiny post, just not feeling great about my art lately. I had recently quit drawing for about a year, just got back into the groove a few months ago and I do enjoy drawing, like the act of drawing is fun, but whenever I finish one I just hate it.
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No.12237
>try drawing
>Head is ok
>Face is the worst thing I've laid my eyez upon
>Retry
>Face is alright
>Head is somehow worse
>Fix head
>Eyes makes it look like my character is in a perma stoned state
>Fix eyes
>Everything before is now shit
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No.12238
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No.12241
>>12237
Getting everything to mesh together properly is a skill of it's own.
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No.12249
>>12236
I feel a similar way. Looking at a drawing Ive done just reminds me of my mistakes in art and otherwise it brings a sort of sense of shame.
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No.12264
>>12236
I only didn't post my drawing when it isn't finished, or if it's really obviously in bad quality. The one that's worth to be shown I would post it here but only if I really intended to post it. I think the word "hate" is kind of overrated on how you describe it and I pretty sure you're not satisfied on the current result of your drawing. Believe me, there's a lot of things to learn in drawing and once you nailed some of those techniques, it really does feels great to be honest.
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No.12274
>>10592
I don't remember it ever ever going uphill
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No.12275
>>10592
When the illusion of getting good was broken.
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No.12276
>>12275
wait, are we talking about art going downhill or life? >>12274 I was talking about life
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No.12285
>>12276
Then it was 2017 for me after a few years of an upswing.
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No.12314
>tfw < $1.90 gas
Thanks 🅱️ased 🅱️lumpf
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No.12317
>>12038
>you're either a Jew or a Jew
wdhmbt?
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No.12318
>>12213
Maybe I've met you.
In any case I understand and wish you well.
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No.12319
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No.12332
I've got a question for you drawfags. What was your experience with drawing growing up and how does it affect you today? Did your parents or peers support your hobby or was it discouraged? I've met and seen a handful of people who were praised by their parents as children for drawing- and in one case that praise backfired and lead to serious disillusionment.
Personally speaking, I drew often, almost obsessively and never got support or I was heavily pressured to stop drawing.
I don't draw as much as I used to because of other factors, But i've also never faced severed disillusionment from the fact that people are better than me, especially not the kind that makes me stop drawing.
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No.12333
>>12332
>What was your experience with drawing growing up
I used to make shitty flash animations that got blamed from newgrounds. I then gave up drawing as a teenager.
>and how does it affect you today?
It's terrible. I want to cry myself to sleep knowing how much time I've wasted while trying desperately to make up for it.
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No.12334
>>12332
I was never outright encouraged or discouraged from drawing by my parents so I suppose I just fell into it-but not right away. I think when I was in my mid teens I became interested in drawing because of some of the stuff I was seeing on Newgrounds at the time. It wasn't even particularly good from an artistic standpoint but I just knew I wanted to do stuff like that-in the end it never happened or even came close.
The problem is I never understood the context of how to improve at drawing (i.e. doing it a lot and in a reasonably ordered way, only moving on from subjects once you understand them fairly well and not a moment before) and I became disillusioned very quickly. I struggled to copy things from out of books and became despondent when doing so didn't render me a successful draftsman immediately. It wasn't long before I'd essentially completely given up. It didn't help that I had held two jobs most of my young adult life, but the obsession with counter-strike was just as disruptive.
It wasn't until many years later I picked it up again, about 10 years from when inspiration first hit and about 6 years ago from now. Fast forward to today and I'm 32, I still suck but I've done enough research to know that I'm going in the right direction, albeit slowly. Terribly, terribly slowly (mostly because, despite everything I've been through so far, I still spend way more time feeling sorry for myself and listlessly going through the motions than I do putting my nose to the grindstone).
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No.12336
>>12332
My parents were artists and they have always liked my stuff and encouraged it. I've drawn all my life and nobody has ever discouraged me but myself.
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No.12347
>>12332
Mostly like >>12334
I was almost always discouraged from picking up drawing as a job though, because my parents were afraid I wouldn't be able to live from it. I tried going into art school after dropping off uni (in math) but I fail the entry exam.
>But i've also never faced severed disillusionment from the fact that people are better than me
If anything, people who do things better than me inspire me no matter the subject as long as I'm interested in it.
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No.12351
>>12215
Your example of 'good panel composition' looks like trash compared to the manga TBH
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No.12354
>>12217
Prepare for autism.
Here is a manga that is actually drawn in csp. Pay attention to the panel borders, and you see that they are crisp and that the inking always stays within the panels. Also if you are looking at the borders in your example, you'll see that they extend over eachother and don't have perfect corners. There's a slight error where a drawn speedline crosses over the panel line.
The sfx are pasted in digitally, and you can tell by how crisp they are, they stick out like a sore thumb.
I draw manga by hand and take a lot of time to understand techniques in drawing simple things like rocks and foliage, because knowing how to draw a rock or a tree is different from knowing how to depict it in a specific medium. Speedlines, if you've ever drawn them by hand on a page that's 9x13 and might have multiple panels with speedlines is excruciating tedium. Especially when drawing with a little pen that produces lines the width of a hair and covering a wide berth of the page with it. It's very easy to mess up a speedline and ruin everything, there are no tools to make the process more simple other than a ruler and skill.
>>12220
It's becoming more common for mangaka to use digital either in substitution or entirely like with the goblin slayer manga. The convenience of programs is honestly too good to ignore, especially when it's easier to buy a program than it is to hire someone to do your backgrounds for you. This is apart from the fact that nib pens have their own skill curve to master and some people are just not good inkers. The best, like Murata, and the old guard tend to use it if only in substitution. But there are too many faggots now with no respect for the medium.
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No.12385
>>11920
I'd use a fountain pen over set of pencils.
I don't know what's so good about pencil and it's varieties but I think even most big studios just use one type color pencils for animation drafts.
Even good artists can just use one type of pencil to make something photorealistic or just use charcoal.
If I'd be anal about something then it would probably be about the quality of paper.
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No.12392
>>12354
I can't really blame someone for not deliberately going out of their way to make work for themselves, but I will say that if it does result in an inferior product, a lot of mangaka don't have the excuse of 'saving time' these days. When I look at Boku no Hero Academia, I think it looks pretty good for a weekly, but then you have to consider that Horikoshi openly has six or seven assistants. 12 or so pages a week is nothing with that kind of man-power. I don't think I mind if people 'cheat' on their backgrounds within reason, even for traditional artists, mangaka will use screen tones for shading and backgrounds, or trace something from a picture they took. The only time I've really noticed was in this edgy, trash manga, that I admittedly like. This is a particularly egregious example, but this artists draws practically nothing, except for the characters. How does an editor allow this?
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No.12393
>>12332
When I was a small kid I used to draw cave-tier drawings of battles of a lot of shit, for some reason I liked giant scorpions as mounts. This one year for mother's day I draw a book of my mother getting killed in various scenarios and it was called 101 ways mommy could die, and she loved it, mind you I was like 6 at this point
stopped drawing around 8 I think. I don't know why, and didn't draw all that much when I did draw as a kid and I was very poor with a single mother, so no really gave a shit about what I was doing, so I didn't get discouraged or encouraged. I guess I am still bitter about wasting all that time, but that is about it.
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No.12395
>>12392
I'm wondering why the hunter x hunter guy didn't/doesn't cheat more.
Thanks to this thread I can't unsee all of the cheats that manga uses. Just a few weeks ago I was reading them and wondering how they draw such elaborate backgrounds and vehicles but now I know how the sausage is made.
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No.12396
Why wasn't I born with an autistic fetish that makes me draw endlessly?
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No.12397
>>12396
Becuz u touch urself @ nite
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No.12398
>>12396
>Stop drawing
>Feel bad because I'm not drawing
>Draw as much as I want
>Get burnt out
You just can't win
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No.12399
>>12392
I have to wonder that too, because i've seen handfuls of really dogshit artwork that makes you ask "how did that get past an editor?" well the fact of the matter is that not all editors are the same. And I think it also depends on publishers, who may have higher or lower standards for what they want in their magazines.
Any substitutions are ok to a point. When you're drawing for free you have ample time and energy, but when you are trying to make a living finding some shortcut whatever that may be might be needed.
I don't think there's any excuse in the world for whatever the hell that shit is or the overuse of tracing/photobashing in general. In my opinion if you can't figure out how to draw it to begin with then you're probably just not cut out for that industry- whether you trace or just can't draw at all.
I mostly condemn that because inwardly I hate the idea of a no (or low) standards comic industry- since it seems like manga is quickly becoming the last bastion of the comic genre as a whole and the us market is fizzling. However I think the future is in self publishing funded by people who want work that is good. That might make people resort to cheating less often because of time constraints and abysmal pay.
>>12395
some people have integrity anon. I believe that author only ended up making those pages so shoddy because he was cramped for time, or so I heard.
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No.12401
>>12399
Looking at the comicsgate stuff it seems like most of those artists actually draw all their stuff but I think that probably has a lot to do with having a much less strict time table.
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No.12421
>>12332
I drew since I could remember. Parents did not mind it, and did not praise it too much as they never were not people who care much for art. I did get a lot of praise and attention from extended other family members and kids in the kindergarten, but I never liked being in center of attention. I was a poorfag whose only option for entertainment were drawing, books, TV, biking, and wandering fields and forests in the area, so that's just what I did. I only got to play vidya when visiting relatives and friends, so I drew my own video games and video game levels in my spare time. Same with movies, comics, or toys I did not have access to.
Disillusionment #1 happened at the age of 6, when I finally started school. One of the girls in my class was very good in some ways better than me. Suddenly I would not be the only one who people would swarm around and watched during art classes. That made me realize that there will always be someone better than me.
Disillusionment #2 happened during freshmen year in high school. Pieces that won audience's choice were some of the worst ones to make it through submissions, both on technical and creative level. Except that they were drawn by popular kids. I knew that recognition did not depend on skill only, but that really hammered it down.
Neither made me stop drawing. I stopped because school and part time work consumed a lot of time. Lately, I have been slowly getting back into it, as I am sick non-productive hobbies.
>>12399
Based on the European comics I read, they generally have higher production values and standards than either manga or American books. My opinion might be skewed, since most stuff that gets translated is the creme of the crop. Many of these books release one 45 to 100 page tome every year or two, which is a luxury that most manga and American creators do not have.
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No.12437
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
You ever had your art feels spill into a production?
Here's an episode of the Kirby cartoon where Dedede turns the town into an animation sweatshop. Lots of tongue in cheek and some very direct jabs taken at industry problems.
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No.12438
>Reading "Drawing on the right side of the brain"
>Doing the exercises
>Can't shake the feeling that i'm fucking up, and essentially, learning nothing
>Feeling down
>Calm myself and try again
>My drawings come out better, nothing awesome but enough for me
Jesus Christ, in nothing more than a few hours I experienced a roller coaster of emotions and I don't know if that is right.
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No.12494
Is it normal to harbor so much fucking hate and bigotry towards your fellow artists? If I discover somebody has drawn something I have objections to I immediately lose any and all desire to speak with them and actively dislike them as a person.
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No.12535
>>12494
By law, if you are an artist you are also insane. Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of artists you'll meet are going to be exceptional individuals with shit opinions and you just have to accept that. Artists as a whole are naturally left leaning and that is the nature of the game, however, consider that maybe you wouldn't want someone to think of and act towards you in the same way. Give them the benefit of the doubt every once in a while, and acknowledge people when they try to talk to you.
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No.12621
>>12438
>Reading "Drawing on the right side of the brain"
Why? It's literally the worst book on drawing ever written.
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No.12639
>>12438
Sometimes when you don't get something it's not a bad thing to take a break or sleep it off or do something else for a little while. Your brain is still working and you might get a fresh new perspective on the problem.
t. actually found some answers by sleeping
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No.12656
>>11342
I stopped at the "box ball" lesson and didn't move onto lesson 2, the "contour line" lesson thing. I believe it's also in Rapid Viz, but are there more resources/lessons like it?
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No.12659
>>12639
Your brain moves data from the short term to the long term while you're asleep. Think of it like powering down a computer so it moves its RAM content to its HD.
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No.12686
>>12621
It's that bad? I found it useful for some things and I feel that it has helped me a little.
Also:
>Bad shit happens to me
>Dont want to draw anything today
>Feel like shit because I am not drawing
Mr. Loomis I want to get off this wild ride.
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No.12688
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No.13551
>>11344
Simply continue as I am.
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