/loomis/ - Art Gains

I'm sick as balls and haven't been able to draw. I also throw parties at anime conventions and have been busy with that for like a week prior.

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WHY IS THIS BOARD SO DEAD IT'S LIKE THE ONLY THING CLOSE TO A LIVING ART BOARD ON THIS WEBSITE AND IT'S STILL DEAD AS SHIT WHY WHY WHY

>>8380

dead website

>>8380

It's funny reading stuff like this because honestly this board been more alive than it has been the past few months than it has in a long time.

>>8383

That's true but it's still

DEAD!

DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD!

>>8383

We're all gonna make it to the front page.

Wish you fagits had some threads I lurk on /ic/, like /alt/ and /porn/. I don't post there because you need to enable javascript and cookies for two Google domains and I don't wanna be traced and profiled.

>>8396

>>8397

I know but all the art-related boards in my language are taken over by kids drawing anime and fetishes about lil witches or vampire girls. I kinda like Chinese cartoon girls and lewd stuff myself but it bothers me the way those kids despise everything else. I even thought of learning Russian to post on /pa/.

Anyway, I like this board.

That's exactly what we need more of.

Depressing thread for depressed people.

We might as well rename this board to /suicide2/.

>>8385

It's already perfect. Overpopulated fast boards are obnoxious distractions.

>been feeling out of it

>struggling to get my daily bit of work, and give it a good effort each time

>recently added to how much I'm doing each day, and my group's productivity has increased dramatically, upon seeing me work on the grind, each day

>simultaneously want to stop, and never give up

>now genuinely have people I'd dramatically effect if I stop this level of productivity

>IRL stuff has me stressed the fuck out, worried, and unsure of my future

>still keeping the workflow going, amongst this

Honestly I don't even know why I keep working, at this point. I mean, I enjoy it, and the next thing I'm working on is going to be a fun one, but it really does tire me out and leave me wondering how I keep going.

>>8438

>I'm pretty happy with my art: I've reached a proficiency where I can convey some messages with it. I've got projects to make a comic and share it with people. I meet lots of cool artists I can discuss art with.

But why would I lie on the internet, anon?

>>8453

I already do lift. And my job/classes entail manual labor.

It's more I've been at this for over two years, and not grown as much as I should, as well as not had as much time as I've wanted to, to all this.

As well as the fact that if I give up, it'll affect more than just me.

>>8458

Yeah, thanks. As an aside, I actually counted up the follower counts I have for my work, across the various platforms, and it's over 80 people now.

Not really a lot, and a pitifully small number if I was trying to make a living off this, but like. I've been in rooms with 80+ people before, and to think that many people give a shit about this thing I've been working on, it certainly helps the whole "never give up" spirit.

>Care to elaborate? If not that's ok.

It's nothing dramatic, but it's still stressful as fuck.

I've landed a new job, put in the two weeks notice for my old one, and I start on the new one, soon. It's pretty ideal, too, being literally 10 to 20 minutes from my house, fitting how I prefer to work (solitary), paying well, etc, and it's one I've worked on attaining for the past year or so.

Logically I know I'll be fine, but I'm about as stressed out as when I first moved out, since this job is going to be enough to start paying my rent, myself (parents agreed to pay it for a year). And just in general it's stressful because it's a turning point in my life. One I'm incredibly prepared for, and made plans for, yes, but it's still such a drastic shift, and there's always the potential I'll just do bad and get fired, for example.

>there's no shame in taking a sick day or two-or even a short vacation if it's stressing you out

I sort of took one last week, so I can't keep stacking those.

Besides, I'm the kind of person who sort of just, not sure what word would be appropriate, "wilts?" if I start being unproductive. Even the stuff I do in my leisure, that don't involve active "work" are centered around improvement.

It's just a matter of keeping on, unless I'm really heading for a huge burnout, at which point yeah I'd have to take a week's break, lest I ruin the entire project.

Still, thanks for hearing me out.

>>8501

>Read a book on how to draw

>"This is easy"

>"I know that already"

>I can complete exercises perfectly with little to no effort

You should post your work and let us be the judge of that. Our own perceptions can be extremely unreliable and it would be foolish to trust them alone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

>>8501

>>8430

As a europoor myself, I care a lot for such comics, as, amongst other things, they've pretty much shaped my childhood, and wouldn't mind "giving back" a little by making a European comic myself.

It's far too easy to get burnt out from art. The practice never adds up enough and you're never good enough to just make what you want without it looking like garbage.

>tfw told myself i'd get to watching some instructional videos and practice drawing today

>instead i put it off to autistically shitpost, lay around all day, and hate myself

>each time I tell myself i'll get drawing done, I put it aside because I don't want to see my shit scribbles

>end up laying around and hating myself again instead of drawing

Fuck

>>8558

l*terally me

>decide to work on muh big project today

>shitpost/drawfag a little bit beforehand for fun

>get a panic attack for some reason

>spent the remainder of the day high on benzos

I'm so relaxed, but I haven't really progressed on the project. Next time I should probably work on that first.

>>8570

I second that motion.

>>8570

I added it probably within ten minutes of it being posted, thank you for your contribution.

You Will (Surely) Make It

>>8581

If you need money get the idea of using art to get it out of your head. It will be many years before you stop sucking big dick at it. Go get a normal part time job for now

>>8585

This reminds me of this French artist, rather popular in the french blogosphere, who if I remember right decided to work at a temp agency especially to have lots of time to do art while having a secure income.

http://www.acupoftim.com/

>have my energy to draw, back again

>find out some shit went wrong with my enrollment, and I had to go take care of some stuff

>by the time I'm done, it's too long of a drive to be worth heading back home, since I have a take-home final to do

>do it and just bum around outside of work, waiting for my shift to start

>get back

>"Finally.jpg"

>remember I've another class

>check, and yup, another final to do

>finally get done with doing my daily practice, at 22:16

An hour of working on my comic, to me, is "only an hour, I can't get anything substantial done if I've only got that much." While I've technically got maybe 1:45 left, that'd put me done at midnight, and I don't want to work until that hour.

So I'm sitting here, completely willing to make progress today, but because of a mistake I made a while ago, I wound up pissing most of today away being busy with shit I don't care about.

It's whatever, I guess I'll just make slightly more progress tomorrow, and pace myself.

>>8594

That turned out to be exactly what I did.

I've had trouble with keeping the dialogue's physical balloons, and the panel's elements, harmonious.

So I went and tried getting the dialogue and balloons in first, before I've really gotten anything substantial, sketched in.

It turned out to be so informative, that I'm going to be doing that before sketching, from now on.

Don't think I'm making it.

>tfw each time I twll myself i'm going to draw, i end up putting it off because I hate whatever creative thing I try to do

>>8603

Don't do anything creative then. Learn to copy first and I don't mean making copies that are similar, but copying every line with the exact same quality, position, curvature and so on. If you want to have shading in your drawings you need to be able to copy that exactly as well and the same goes for color.

I see so many people make the mistake of thinking they don't need to learn that if they want to draw from imagination, but if you don't even have the control to draw what's in front of you you're gonna have a hard time doing anything from your mind. If you're drawing from imagination you should be able to do produce the exact same drawing over and over again, but that's not possible if you don't learn how to be consistent. It's worth mentioning that a great deal of inconsistency stems from not knowing how do curves. Don't just try to do them in one go if you have a lack of control. Break them down with straight lines first.

If you've learned to be consistent drawing from imagination just becomes a matter of knowing the forms and proportions and placing stuff in perspective. There's no magic to it.

>>8616

>carpal tunnel

I know I'm likely to be one of those annoying fags that suggests something you've already tried, but I'm going to anyway. Years ago when I first fell for the programming meme, I started having the being signs of carpal tunnel with intense, shooting pains, deep in the center of my wrists. I looked to what other programmers have done to remedy this and one suggested daily wrist rollers (pic related). If you just have some bells, just do wrist curls with your palm facing down. Your wrists need a lot of work to build them up, so sets should being in the 15-25 rep range. I recommend doing multiple sets spread out during the day. This is what I did, and I found after a week and that I no longer had pain. You case sounds more severe than mine, so if you give a try, give it time to see if it helps.

>>8616

Is it a viable option to use your other hand sometimes? I feel like a good portion of my art skills apply to both hands, or maybe it's because I have so little.

>>8617

>being signs of carpal tunnel with intense, shooting pains, deep in the center of my wrists

FUCK, that's what the beginning sign of carpal tunnel is? Goddamnit, I even go to the gym semiregularly.

>>8639

What do you consider a mindfucked pervert?

>>8641

If you have to ask..

>>8642

Would you consider >>8623 too perverted?

>>8643

I'm seeing genderbending and furry art on that blog, so yes.

>>8644

Some playful rule 63 is too much for you?

>>8646

There's no need to be a fucking asshole to him, anon.

>>8645

I'm a zealous bigot with mental issues, I have very strong dislikes I can't help.

>>8646

I see. Well, if I'm making myself a bother I'll leave you all be.

>>8647

>>8648

>being this sensitive

>>8648

> with mental issues

I hear this from a lot of artists, what problems do you have exactly?

>>8639

>>8639

I had a lot more written out, before deleting it, but the general gist is that I was in a similar boat, and got over it.

The only real gripes I have now are propaganda aimed squarely at normalizing detrimental acts, lifestyles, or practices, especially stuff aimed at kids.

But even the worst of it, the worst I do is just not associate with people, instead of getting up in arms.

To provide some examples, stuff I'd find objectionable:

>children's programming, that advocates more than two genders

>media that advocates punching "nazis"

>media that attempts to normalize drug use, promiscuity, or dysfunctional relationships

Material with degenerate practices in it, but I don't find objectionable

>Go Nagai's work

>Ichi the Killer

>Akumetsu

>fetish artists

And I think you can start seeing a pattern emerge. While I hate propaganda, I'm also aware of how it only affects people who want to be convinced. What I hold disdain for is lazy material, that treats the average "just going through life without thinking about your actions much" mentality as a good thing. Shit like fighting with your kids, fighting with your spouse, co-dependent friendships, ignoring the consequences of poor decisions and then blaming others for your later suffering, etc.

Not because it's going to convince people, (though it certainly colors the brains of retards), more because it's just lazy, and shows you as the author weren't willing to fucking think for a second, before making something.

>>8646

triggered tbhnigger

I hope that guy does in fact have fun with his still lives and landscapes.

>>8639

I don't think it's possible to be an artist who doesn't have something "wrong" with them, or have alternative interests either fetish related or not.

>>8639

I don't draw anything perverted/degenerate. I suck hard at art though, so you probably still wouldn't want to bother.

>>8654

>Don't pull that triggered shit on me

Don't end your sentences with unpunctuated lol, lmao, etc. like some kind of tumblr faggot then.

>>8662

From the line of the conversation, I don't think he's the same anon as >>8639

>>8617

>>8619

Thank you for the advice. I am doing another alternative, which are basically wrist curls with a resistance band. Other than that, I have few other exercises that were prescribed by therapist when I went to deal with CPS few months ago

Besides, I have no issues when I am at a desk at work. Problems start at home. My keyboard and mouse at home are placed slightly higher than one at work and. Desk with adjustable height should solve the problem.

>>8623

Definitely. I do feel bad for missing weekly theme threads, though.

>>8656

It is possible, but not that common. Many people who draw, or create in general, are driven to it by some urges. People with certain fetishes that would be hard to realize in real life, only have drawing and writing as their outlets. Naturally, that's where they will focus their energy towards and commit to it. That's why there are legions of fucked up drawfags and writefags on the internet, and so many who eagerly consume and fund their stuff.

At least that's my theory.

>>8671

artists in general seem to be a whack ass bunch, myself included, and it's true for every one I've met. Your idea sounds pretty probable, as I don't have any reasons to believe it has anything to do with "creative genius" or some other bullcrap that spurs the crazy.

>>8671

>>8672

I wonder if it's drawfags or writefags who are more fucked up

>>8676

I wonder if it sums up when you're both or if it's just the max of the two.

>>8671

>>8672

It's that, but there's also a chance of having an element of escapism to it. But the only people who'd need escapism to that degree (making your own world) usually have something really bad going on in their real life.

>>8676

>>8684

I can speak from experience of being both.

Even though I've been working on improving myself and overcoming my issues, for the past two or three years, I'm still hands down the craziest motherfucker in every circle I've run in.

And I don't mean like

>WOAAAH DUDE, ANON'S SO CRAZY, HE JUST CHUGGED SIX BEERS, LMAO

or

>Anon makes horrible decisions that ruin his life, due to mental instability

I mean more like, uh.

>I'm always literally two steps away from snapping and killing myself

and in general having a sort of "crazy" tone to everything I do. The things I write about, the subjects I draw, there's always this sort of impression that my mind's moving faster than my body can keep up with, and I've got ideas constantly leaking out my ears.

Maybe "passionate" is the better word, I dunno. I used to draw way edgier shit, but even now my subject matter is just not visibly edgy, the themes are, but I've since stopped drawing bizarre creatures with flayed skin, or bleeding and weeping jagged amorphous life forms, for example. And instead deal with stuff like "the background details imply people die constantly in this" or "this character's actions intentionally mirror someone overcompensating, to cope with a past trauma."

You can see it right now, whatever it is that I'm talking about. The whole "if you prompt me, I can talk for literally hours on any subject I'm interested in" thing.

l*terally every time I leave my car to go inside my apartment I either leave my wallet or my phone in there, necessitating me having to leave my apartment, go out to my car and retrieve one or sometimes both of them. It is at this moment 5 am and I've just become conscious of the fact that I must once again go outside and get my phone, now.

Why, this is really starting to steam me up!

#TWISTED!

#DAMAGED!

#FORGETFUL!

>>8720

This kills me, too. It is like I'm afflicted with some mental disease that has the primary symptom of forgetfulness of small things. Like where I put my keys or wallet down at. I know and have used the trick of always putting them in the same place, but after a few weeks, I'm bound to break that rule due to circumstance and sure enough I'll forget where that place was.

My guess is it is a lack of general mental discipline. I don't know if people are that much less forgetful than I am, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is just that their lives are more organized and therefore minimizes the amount of potential mystery for things to be forgotten to.

>>8720

>>8721

Write down a to do list, the night before.

Whenever you put something down, that you want to hang on to, be sure to put it on top of something you'll need later.

Example:

>Anon always forgets his car keys, when leaving the house

>They're in a different place every time

>Solution: Anon puts his car keys in his shoes

Aside from that, I tend to forget stuff too, but I've gotten better. And yes, building discipline helps.

>>8749

Can you take out a loan to do that? It might be a possibility and worth it tbh. You got your job back but imagine if you didn't. That was a distinct possibility and they didn't give a frick.

>>8750

I could do something of the sort, yes, but there's a few reasons I'm not being a vindictive bastard.

The first being that yeah, I'd have to take out some loan or some shit to essentially gamble on winning a case. But beyond that, it'd also be a lot of time and effort on my part, and right now my main focus is on just getting my damn bills paid, since my current job doesn't cover them and my family stops paying my rent next month.

And the final reason is really basic. It's an incredibly small business, not a single review anywhere, from what I saw.

The most I'd get out of a case is like, 10 grand (USD). If I were going to go all out in suing someone's ass, I want more than just a little over a year's worth of bills.

Despite all this, however, I'm keeping the written records of this. I don't care how much later it is, if I find myself able to sue them, you bet your ass I will.

>>8749

If you get the money fucking sue them. Doesn't matter if it's seven years down the line.

I'm serious, this is bigger than you, these companies fuck people over on a constant basis and they only stop if the book is thrown at them.

>>8763

He'll have to look up his local statute of limitations on civil cases like this and plan around that. I doubt he could let it slide for THAT long but I agree with your overall sentiment

>>8763

>>8766

There's also the problem of "at will employment" and how you can be fired for any reason, here.

Like I said, I dunno. You've both motivated me to at least contact the options I have, and see what'll happen.

More than anything though, again, the biggest thing holding me back is just money, and not wanting to waste my time.

If the people I'm getting in contact with think it's a 100% chance of winning a suit, then maybe, but again I only have about a grand in savings, and I need that for rent/bill payments.

>>8769

Yeah, no worries man. For what it's worth I think consultations with a lawyer are generally free and because they don't want to waste their time they will let you know flat out if you have a case or not.

>>8770

Just for future reference I mean

>>8770

Getting this set up is proving to be as much of a hassle as I thought it'd be, so as much as I hate it, I'm probably going to drop it, unless one of the lawyers I contacted gets back to me and straight up says

>this case is so cut and dry, that I'll ignore the fact that you're broke, and do it for free

I hate it, but again this business is really fucking unknown and they seemed to not be doing too well when I walked in, so even if I don't do anything, they're fucking themselves over in the long run by preventing future growth, through shitty practices.

Like, it's a lot of time and effort to do this, and I'm more concerned with spamming applications everywhere, writing cover letters to hand in, in person, with my resume and application, contacting people who might know opportunities, etc.

I hate it as much as you guys do, but fuck. It's best I put it behind me, and just keep it as a learning experience. The alternative will just "eat my soul" so to speak.

>last night, was feeling frustrated that my comic's not growing as much as I wish it was

>eventually get it out of my system, talking to people and shit

>still have lingering feelings of "why am I the only one that cares about this shit?" and frustration

I get it. I know why I'm not "successful," (not playing to the market, having a niche product, having a new product, etc) but at the same time that doesn't lessen the sting of working so hard, and never getting any recognition for it.

Still, I've got a story to tell. Petty shit like a wounded ego, is less important than getting it done.

>>8829

At least you're actually making a product.

I don't have anything to show for myself but disparate pictures that aren't even interesting artistically.

>>8833

>aren't even interesting artistically.

I meant technically. I believe they're at least somewhat interesting, but that could be my ego talking.

>>8829

>having a new product

This is probably the main "problem" apart from the fact you're not pandering to any pre-existing intellectual property with tens of millions of dollars in marketing behind it.

It takes years man, but as you get better at art in particular iconic pages from your story will start being shared amongst people and it will grow exponentially. All good things in time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV6tZEj4yY0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7hraQwMKIw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASKWIUqUscA

>>8834

Just a wild guess, are you the black ink guy? Yeah your stuff is still a bit raw technically but you're getting there. To be honest a lot of what you post kind of has a similar eclectic feel to the kind of art high school students make, but it's good that you're experimenting and having fun. Stream of consciousness art is a good way to flex your creativity and in your experience making them will ultimately aid you in conjuring up potent expressions realized with expert technical skill in the future as you improve.

>>8835

No, that's not me, but thanks for the kind words nonetheless.

I've started translating The Practice and Science of Drawing as an opportunity to read it in details and it is filling me with hope for my artistic future.

>>8835

That video essay is amazing.

Haven't had as much time or energy to focus on working on my art, but I still got my practice, and the work I set out to do, today, done.

Been sinking basically all of my focus into searching for a job, and when I say "all of my focus," I mean it.

>>8833

>>8834

I understand what you mean. You're talking about pictures that aren't connected to tell a story (ie "not comics"), right?

That's fine too, you know. If anything it's better if you're focused on success, because it's a lot easier to get commissioners for standalone pieces, than to get investors in a preexisting story/longform project. Which is just a fancy way of saying "patreon shekels," but you get the idea.

>>8835

Thanks man. That first video at least (haven't watched the others yet) put this into perspective. Seeing all those examples of "successful" creative types, being in the exact situation I am now for most of their lives, and how late Da Vinci got his big break. It's reassuring. Hopefully what you say about "sharing pages" is true, because I've particularly been working on making standalone pages look cool in a vacuum, as well as practicing my fundamentals. Things like grinding faces to get better expressions, you get the idea. All of that between everything else in life, too (classes, jobs, etc).

I was thinking about The Curse of Monkey Island artstyle and found a presentation from the art director on his process

http://lucasstyle.com/tutorials/How_to_Draw_Monkeys_the_LucasArts_Way.pdf

fun little read

>>8935

What do they say?

>>9021

Don't feel too bad, I've been drawing for longer than that and I've literally never colored anything in my life.

>>9021

Better late than never.

>>9025

I mean, I've drawn a lot of figures and studied anatomy for quite a lot of hours, but mostly all I did was follow contours and try to get the form right. In that I've gotten quite better, but now I've realized I missed out on some pretty important shit. Man, some stuff seems really easier to do now

>>9026

That's a bummer, charcoal pencils are expensive as hell too. When it comes to gestures and things like that I stick with my USA GOLD® 2Bs. You can sharpen them with a utility knife just like you can a charcoal pencil which gives you a similar (though admittedly shittier) overall feel. Their values aren't great but that doesn't really matter in this context (and I bet someone with experience could do something very nice with them regardless).

I think that at this stage of the game a clipboard with printer paper clipped to it is more than enough for most of us here. You'll definitely want to keep your charcoal pencils around for "long drawings" because their values are so much better than a typical pencil and you want to know how to use "the real stuff" to be sure.

However, I would consider saving your charcoal and sketchpad for 5 minute+ drawings and studies and use throwaway crap on anything lesser because by the time you're done you're going to have A LOT of that.

How do people find the energy to practice for 12+ hours a day? Even doing 2 hours a day is really difficult to me and when I'm not bored out of my mind by it, I'm angry and frustrated and self-loathing. I want to get better but every bit of it feels like a chore.

>>9045

As I guy who studied 12+ hours a day when I was at the academy/atelier and now spends ummm (actually when thinking over this I'm back around 12+ again but I used to do like 9 a few months ago), I can maybe give some insight on this.

So firstly, the people that post their schedules online or go out of their way to let you know how long they study every day, 90% of them are telling you what they wish they did. It's generally much less or if it is for a long period of time, it's fairly aimless stuff or just tons of easy sketching. I've had experience with these people from years back at CA org and newer forums and the stuff they post is not at the quality or quantity that that amount of work gives you. People are just trying to compare dick measurements.

Secondly, you don't need to work 12 hours a day. If you can get 6 solid hours, that is enough to become really good. There was a period of like 3 months at the academy/atelier where I was spending more time working out and drinking with other students than normally so I spent like 6 hours studying a day. two 3 hour bursts with an hour lunch break between. This was probably my most valuable period because those two bursts of 3 hours were really intense. The rest of my time I was thinking about my work, how to improve, what to try out and so on and then when I get in front of my drawing or painting I can just get into that zone instantly and work really hard.

You often need 2 months or so to get used to a schedule where you study all day. At a lot of ateliers the first trimester is often called "trimester zero" because all you're trying to do is get used to what's going on, getting up on time, working through the day and then relaxing when you get home. When you're used to that, it's easier. And also, where I studied and several other places, you're standing all day and that is probably the most difficult part. You get less mentally tired but man, a few weeks of standing all day really gets rough, but you get over that and feel better.

Studying drawing often feels boring, frustrating or like a chore when you don't really know what to do. Like a lot of people think they know like "do gestures" or "study anatomy" but that's not enough. You need to know where you're going with your drawing, how to tell what is the right direction. Having someone to help you is good but also comparing to a "good" drawing lets you know when you're going in the right direction.

>>9046

As confrontational/envious as this will sound, not everybody has the luxury of being able to attend/afford an atelier program. And as such, having a lifestyle where you could even afford twelve free hours, isn't exactly commonplace, unless you're a neet. Personally I think most of what you were getting at could have been truncated down to just telling him he needs to actually be engaged in what he's doing, and not mindlessly drawing, in order to enjoy it.

>>9048

>Personally I think most of what you were getting at could have been truncated down to just telling him he needs to actually be engaged in what he's doing, and not mindlessly drawing, in order to enjoy it.

Yeah but that'd be kind of boring eh? I enjoyed his anecdote, not to say that you don't have a point even if it's a bit tangential with what he'd said.

I work 11 hours a day and my boss changes my schedule on a weekly basis and I only know when the hell I'm working the following week by Sunday afteroon. Because of that I had to stop going to my own Atelier. That wasn't the end of the world necessarily, my Atelier is a sight-size lineage so drawing instruction has limited overlap with what a guy that likes cartoony stuff such as myself is wont to do, but I could have spent a lot of time learning color theory, anatomy and things like that there, certainly.

All we can do is make the best of what we have and that goes for time and anything else. I know for a fact if I spent a 10th as much time drawing and painting as I did socializing and shitposting online I would be a far superior artist to what I am now. I am often very taken aback by how much I can actually do in a day if I put my mind to it and I'm also amazed how much my time, limited though it may be, can get away from me if I'm not spending it productively in some way.

>>9048

I was under the impression that the post was basically "how do I stand working so much when I find studying two hours difficult enough?". That's what I was replying to. How you get the time to study is a different question and you're either a neet with free time or you've dedicated yourself to be a full time student by either moving back in with your parents or going off to study formally somewhere.

I could have said "be engaged with what you're doing" but that is basically next to useless if it doesn't come with something else. Imagine getting a critique by an artist you respect and have their response is just the word "anatomy" and then they walk away (true story: Daniel Graves came to visit where I studied and got to guest critique the student's work. When he was to critique my painting and he just look at me, gave me two thumbs up and just said "looks good". I was kinda disappointed even if it was a positive thing, other students got 10 minute explanations or just talks about whatever they were struggling with. This wasn't the only time a visiting artist did something like this). Information sticks better if you can tie it into a broader explanation with anecdotes and examples and multiple perspectives. Everyone knows you should study anatomy but if we can talk about how artists studied it in the past, give examples of ways of learning it that have historically taught a lot of artists and so on, you can approach your studies with a bit more thought and maybe a fresh perspective.

I've taught a fair number of people and I've always failed to convey an idea if I just straight forwardly explain it in the abstract. I have to bring examples, show how these ideas can solve common problems, how it ties into other ideas and so on, that's when the information sets itself deeper into your brain and you can maybe have use of it. An example of this, I tried to help someone understanding how to draw complicated shapes (like ears in portraits) more accurately in an easier way than just brute force-ing it. I suggested looking at negative and positive shapes, building off from one primary shape and so on. That didn't really stick, they didn't get it, but when I showed how a negative shape in the ear, if looked at with one eye closed it looked like a fish, they just got it and could find more shapes that resembled things in complicated areas and it went really well for them. Just being flat with your information isn't helpful, I find it's usually comes across as dickish.

>>9049

>>9056

I see what you mean. I guess I'm probably just salty about hearing people being able to actually pursue this stuff, while I've been actively hindered in my life. Because you're right in that more context to the explanation helps things stick better.

>>9080

>I mean sure, there's stories and stuff I want to turn into comic

that is the reason I want to get gud as well

>>9080

also you could try scheduling out the time for your hobbies if you want to try to keep them all

>>9080

I've been there and have done exactly that and I will regret stopping where you have for the rest of my life. You've been warned!

>regards, Future (You)

>>9117

keep going my dude I will keep cheering for you.

>>9173

>consistent schedule

tell me about it

>have a job at a small retail store that would be perfect for drawing

>it's not, because ostensibly innocent people won't stop expecting me to actually work

>boss changes my schedule every other week so I can't make plans to do anything

just FUCK my shit up

>>9174

>your most popular work is never your favorite or best

Oof, that is quite the feel.

<good thing I'll never create anything of note because I'm terrified of completing anything

Can't say I'm not curious about some of your work after reading that, too.

>>9175

Oh yeah, I also forgot

>job could be a lot better but I accidentally became a severely autistic and mentally unstable man's best friend (he's certainly not one of mine lol) or rather fixation (and I absolutely do think there's a sexual component too, for the record) and now he won't go away-and I don't have the heart to tell him to kys himself because I know he can't help how deranged he is and to be perfectly honest I don't know what he's capable of.

I work at a video game store and this dude lurks craigslist, facebook marketplace and every other site like that 16 hours a day (not an exaggeration) to occasionally rip off old ladies or buy from collectors at slim margins just as an excuse to come into my store, sell a mountain of usually dirty shit that needs a ton of work on my part, and loiter for as long as possible. He'll risk hundreds of dollars and even drive out of state just to make a couple dozen bucks himself. He single handedly puts more work on me than any other person in this "industry" anywhere in the midwest, no question. You should see him when he doesn't get his way, too. P-S-Y-C-H-O. I've seen him go nuclear over $3 he was "owed".

So yeah, basically I'm going to have to quit an otherwise relatively cushy job someday soon because I'm too cowardly to drive away a single retard-and my boss probably wouldn't let me if I wasn't. Sad but true!

>>9175

>Can't say I'm not curious about some of your work after reading that, too.

I do a variety of stuff, but mainly short cartoon edits, YTP-inspired stuff (like sentence mixing and hard cuts) or bait-and-switch shitposts. A little bit of 3edgy5me and shitty 2013 stuff as well.

I like this one but it's not typical of me

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5h5-4B4r6s

A playlist of short videos loosely sorted by my preference

>https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2vA6ImrBrtf_TUKRq5mS5dxRbbBtNcyo

>>9182

I, yeah you're right. I've been taking today off, and when I start up again tomorrow I'm going to be pacing myself better.

Thanks for the Sally, by the way, she looks great.

I didn't really work on the page, or art, for very long so far today, but I at least managed to at all today. Which is a significant step up from yesterday.

>>9223

Got more done, after I got back. I feel, "okay."

>people are drawing your OCs for some reason

<it's much better than whatever you could come up with

Mixed feels. Mainly good though

Frustrated that I've been drawing for a long time and that I still have so much to learn (and no one to blame but myself) (seriously, it would help if I could blame somebody else, FUCK). As I've finally come to grips with the fact my job sucks, I'm going to try and pull an all-or-nothing attempt at a cushy job at the local Atelier (as I'd mentioned in a less appropriate thread earlier). I need direction and only immersion in an environment like that can provide it-I've sucked at self discipline so far and I don't have time to sit around and hope I stop being a lazy piece of shit anymore. It just isn't happening.

My plan: right now I'm offering them a Cintiq 27 QHD for free. Naturally they've expressed great interest in not only the device itself but apparently they've been strongly considering expanding into teaching digital subjects in general. Hearing that in particular was music to my ears. I am a Comptia A+ certified PC "technician" (not that that's some big accomplishment-but they probably don't know that) and apart from the Cintiq, I'd tell them, I would be willing to buy them an entire computer lab outright as long as they hire me to service it. That's not even close to all I'd do of course, but the fact that they're all older might make having a person like me around an attractive proposition for them even if I'm just doing menial stuff 99% of the time, especially if I come bearing gifts.

Part of this hinges on whether or not they are typically anywhere near max capacity for full or part time students as is, though. If they are-and that's definitely possible-there's a good chance they won't be able to take on new staff even if they wanted to and my idea of scouting out more full and part time students on their behalf would be a bust. I'll have to move on to some other harebrained scheme at that point then, I suppose.

>want to play video game

>don't know what to practice

>hand hurts

>have these ideas that I come up with, can't make them

>the time that allows me to put hours in practice is coming to an end

>don't know what I am going to do in both art and for money

on a good feel, I have gotten better I think

>>9261

>buying a whole lab

Isn't the point of getting a job to make money, not lose it? Computers are expensive.

>>9266

Computers are indeed expensive but art school, even at a non-profit, is far moreso. Getting paid to be in that environment (assuming I don't get my ass canned before the first year is up anyway) would be worth a lot more than what I'd spend on under a dozen normie computers. I could set up a lab for under $4,000.

While that would be over half of my remaining cash savings if it helps get me employed at an Atelier for a few years it'd be worth it. Probably! High risk, high reward. If nothing else though, I'll have this Cintiq out of my apartment finally.

>>9233

>Jesus christ, that post was two days ago?

>Christ, and I'm only 3 days into my 8 shifts in a row, stuff.

>But I've got two days off next week, Friday and Saturday, I'll get a ton of work done then, right?

Kill me. The only positive in all this is that switching my mentality to "in the moment" has made it so I've maintained my will to draw, so I'm certain I'll pick it back up as soon as I have the chance, but for now life is forcing me to bide my time, and learn how to pace myself. I hate it, but it's mandatory, so I might as well calm down.

On the flip side, someone wired me 200+ bucks on Kofi, and it means a lot to find someone thinks I'm worth sending that much when I'm distraught. More than I know how to explain.

With the event of Comics Gate, I'm really worried for the future. A bunch of comic pros have me blocked via block chains. I've never interacted with those people before and they probably don't even know I exist.

It makes me really frustrated because these people constantly preach about "you should get into comics if you really want to! Draw your stuff!", "We're a really accepting community and we love creativity and expression!" and then immediately toss you into a bin of "bad people", treat you passive aggressively/talk down to you just because you follow a bunch of people for apolitical reasons (for tips, advice, news or just mutual understanding) and generalize an entire group.

Then they act like it's not "cult like" or "toxic" and bitch about how "generalizing an entire group of people is bigoted and bad!", but it only applies to them.

I'm really worried about censorship, not just creatively, but socially. Even if my work is independent, it only takes 1 witch hunt from people with a disposable audience to collapse my entire fucking (tiny) reputation and essentially de-platform myself and other creators from social media and royally fuck people over. Even worse, these so called "pros" probably sleep soundly and with no regrets over socially destroying people.

It's sick.

>>9277

yeah dude It sucks. but I dunno how about pretending to be on their side and just swindle them?

>>9277

I really think censorship is still as strong as ever now, but people don't realize it. Your case is just one amidst thousands of others. I don't know what to do tho.

>>9285

I think what you can do mostly depends on the kind of support you receive. My biggest worry in this instance is being harassed in my life away from the computer, losing my job and what little things I even have in my life because someone was offended at something I drew. Thank god I don't live in the UK, cause then the real risk comes at being imprisoned to boot. But it's still very bad, all in all.

The only way to counteract the mob is with a mob of your own.

>>9285

>I really think censorship is still as strong as ever now, but people don't realize it.

People don't realize it because it's easier to rationalize no-platforming, public shaming, and harassment as justifiable instead of considering the wider repercussions and chilling effects. It's gotten to the point where not speaking your mind is considered a necessary act of self-preservation in a age where people are all too eager to knock you down a peg or two for saying the wrong thing.

>>9284

>>9285

>>9294

>>9303

>tfw where you live, everyone has brightly colored hair

>anti-fa recruiters in local comic shops

>people will physically attack you if your politics are different or you try to remain apolitical

"uwu support poc and women creators!"

>is poccywoccy and vagina titties

>get fucking lynched anyways

I just wanna draw my shitty comics and create fun stuff.

I hate it so much, it's so miserable and nasty. I can't be compelled to swindle these people, even though I SHOULD be playing the game the same way, but goddamn I don't think I could fucking live with being such an evil shit stain. But I feel we're getting to a point where retaliation is necessary.

>>9310

Where the hell is this? Don't dox yourself or anything but this is unheard of where I live.

As someone who would fit in centre or centre-left politically, it's horrible to see the hypocritical way far-left people can act. This kind of bullshit reinforces my belief in horseshoe theory.

Shit like this is why I value anonymity.

>want to draw

>but have to spend my non wageslave hours to prepare for a dnd session

>due to this i feel like rushing dnd stuff, but that would make it worse in quality

Aaaaaah. I can't wait to finish it, but i must not rush it. I was thinking of connecting comfortable with useful and draw things for my campaign but i'm not good enough and that would take too much time.

>>9321

>mfw my buddies have successfully pressured me into playing dnd as well

Personally I just bring along my Microsoft Surface Pro 2 RT and draw while I play out the session with my boys. It's not that bad actually

>>9322

I'm the kind of person that can only focus on one thing, so the weeks when i dm are pretty much a race to see how much good quality things ( maps, notes, encounters, story, etc.) i can stuff in the ~15-18 hours of free time i have all week where i have access to my laptop before session time.

And when it's not my turn is when i usually have time and effort left to draw, though i still like to focus on the game mid session.

>>9324

Oh you're the dm? Yeah you're fucked. I'm just a Triton Bard so my session goes something like *say something in funny voice* *roll* *draw hands from Hogarth book* *repeat*

>>9318

Same state as the Evergreen College.

It's not as bad as Europe or as the UK (as another anon mentioned). The West Coast in general is getting pretty bad about it and it seems to be getting worse.

I want to give up. I hate drawing now. It's fucking impossible.

>>9361

That's 100% normal though

>>9355

that's okay man that just means drawing wasen't for you. hope you find something else what will be for you.

>>8376

Do any of you draw if you have depression/anxiety/stress? How do you do it? I have lost all interest in my hobbies since problems in my life got a lot worse.

inb4 "use it to fuel your creativity" or some other meme answer

>>9362

yeah, but that doesn't make it better for me

>>9370

I started to want to get into drawing because of my depression, I was fully ready to off myself just need to go to walmart and buy a shotgun, but then I decided to not to and try to become good enough to make 2D porn people would be willing to pay for.

>>9372

>try to become good enough to make 2D porn people would be willing to pay for.

I figure that drawing porn that caters to specific fetishes wouldn't need to be particularly good to get commissioned.

>>9378

it isn't really about money

money just does two things, to make it where I can draw full-time without having to have a job, but can still eat, and as a milestone

ultimately my wanting the ability to draw well to construct thing I have had in my head for years is the reason.

>>9379

I get ya. I've got a job that's not artistic at all and while it provides I've only got a handful of hours to draw per day. I'll reckon it's a good source of stress >>9370 but I like drawing and expressing myself like that too much to not do it.

>>9381

I just like drawing. Few hours spent working, takes your mind off the existential, after you are done you get some dopamine, you get more if people like it.

>>9381

>>9383

I'm happy for you guys, I hope you achieve whatever you're working towards. Drawing porn (or anything, for that matter) and even getting famous for it isn't too hard if you market yourself properly (and by "market yourself" I mean just reposting your own pictures everywhere as if they aren't your own but you like them anyway), when you see someone else posting your art, that's when the dopamine REALLY hits.

I wish it was as easy for me, I'm not suicidal yet, and probably won't ever be, but I get all sorts of panic attacks whenever I indulge myself in "useless" activities (as my brain sees it) like drawing or videogames or whatever, and this is a fucking shame because I could probably achieve great things if I was as motivated as I was when I was a kid.

>>9384

Oh boy, that's not to say it's easy for me either; I get crippling anxiety from dealing with people, and since I also love sharing my art, I'm faced with a neat and constant source of joy and misery. That's life

>"useless" activities (as my brain sees it) like drawing or videogames

I'd consider vidya to be much more "useless" than drawing, as there is no actual production; at the same time, it's been such a great source of inspiration for me that I cannot part with it. Also, the "no actual production" argument holds little weight as it may be used to disregard art consumption as a whole, be it literature, painting, etc.

>>9407

Do you draw porn? Because pretty much all my characters are anime bitches with big asses. It makes it really hard to tell people IRL about my hobby.

>>9407

I rarely draw porn, but I draw mostly suggestive pictures. I don't think anyone in my vicinity knows that I draw, except maybe my boss who one day saw some skeleton doodles on a post-it note at my desk. Thank god I didn't add tits to them

I meant dealing with people online. It doesn't really get significantly easier than when it's irl, except that I can share my lewd drawings and think a bit longer about what I want to say.

>>9423

Oops, meant to reply to >>9416

>>9277

>>9294

Just make another social media account - one that will be free of problematic stuff. Never, under no circumstance, reveal your real name, location, face, or anything else that could be lead people to you. Obfuscate your IP if you are really paranoid. Consider working under pen name as well.

Only time when you can truly say what you want is if you are rich or influential enough to escape most repercussions. Same as it was throughout most of human history.

>>9285

Of course it is. You have to be really naive or stupid to think that none of the politicians or obscenely rich and influential people would abuse their power to serve their own plans and convictions.

There are also always power hungry authoritarians using causes like good of the children, women, whatever to amass influence and remove those that they do not like. What makes them especially annoying is that they use fashionable moral causes and playing victims to hide their own abhorrent practices. Because of that, many just blindly listen - and normal fags take forever to catch on to it, because 'How could someone who supports this cause be so bad?'

>>9438

it is quite literally impossible to promote yourself and hide your identity unless you had some kind of front man working for you.

>>9439

Why? How does not sharing a real name or your face limit your ability to promote yourself?

>>9442

I think he means that it's impossible to get away with even multiple "anonymous" accounts without people finding out eventually. Every artist draws in their own way once they get to a certain level and it becomes like a signature.

you guy ever get worried that you are like Chris Chan or Palcomix

you can work and work for over a decade, and never get any better?

>>9445

Sometimes. A

>>9443

you can't get away with it if you want to sell books off the internet and actually meet human beings in person is what I mean

>>9423

I think everyone caught me drawing naked women at some point. Some people were creeped out, some were impressed.

This kinda reminds of this one guy I knew IRL, it's hilarious, all the women in his art were basically fat (not even bbw or anything, just a really slobby, unappealing type of fat). Much later, I saw him with his fat girlfriend and that's when I realized that he drew that specific body type because he used her as a model to draw his porn, that was supposedly the only way she could let him get away with drawing porn, lmao.

>>9445

You just have to challenge yourself to draw really hard and really high-quality things. Every time I take a break and pick up the pencil again, my new art becomes so much better than the previous ones that I just can't look at my past works without cringing. Sometimes I can't even look at my previous piece.

>>9445

Yes

>>9445

That only happens to people without self-awareness or to the ones who do not ever challenge themselves and just stay within their comfort zone for ever.

>>9443

If he got banned via block chain, most people won't bother to keep track. Especially if anon was an unknown. You can also have separate styles for each account and essentially pull a Moebius.

>>9453

>meeting people in real life

Thanks to the internet, it is no longer necessary. And if you are afraid that people might somehow get a hold of your info through payments, you can always get a corporate bank account, or handle everything through an agent, financial advisor, or a lawyer.

If I ever make it big and will be forced to make real life appearances, I will probably go the Yoko Taro or Daft Punk route, but without revealing my real name. But I am a paranoid faggot obsessed with privacy

>>9455

I personally woulf say no, but really it's up to you.

>>9455

That wasn't my point, the point is that if you really challenge yourself to be excellent, your older works will look really bad in comparison to your newer ones.

Any other anons think they might be near the end of the road? If this art bullshit doesn't work out I'm probably going to have to become anhero in the next few years. From the looks of my drawings, I think that's going to happen.

>>9495

No. Either draw or fuck off somewhere else and take your cancerous attitude with you.

>>9495

Nibba just get a job, or get /fit/

>>9498

Got a link to the comic?

Totally fine if you wish to stay anonymous, but I'm curious.

It's nice that you've kept your account, though. I wish I could access my old accounts that are basically frozen in place, but I've lost the credentials long ago.

>>9496

Fuck off normalfag scum.

>>9496

This.

>>9498

>>9499

I think I made my first dA account in 2008. I still remember the passwords, but they are just too cringeworthy to look at. Jesus, I was such a different person back then.

>>9502

stop samefagging and eat shit

>>9505

stop eating shit and start samefagging

>>9505

Go seek pity from someone else.

>>9508

Based motivationposter.

>>9503

>Jesus, I was such a different person back then.

Gosh, me too. I was young, impressionable, optimistic, and didn't know much about art books or art in general. Now I'm more realistic, insanely more stressed out, met lots of art folks, and experimented with art a lot more.

>>9495

Post your're art lol

>>9498

I've got requests from that kind of people too.

If you meet someone who wants you to do something that seems questionably like his motivations are based on a fetish, ESPECIALLY if it's of some obscure cartoon, you need to absolutely tell them no and distance yourself from that person and definitely avoid giving them the ability to contact you in other places. Otherwise they'll keep coming back to you forever as if you already promised to do it. It's not just that they're obsessed, it's like they have genuine mental issues like autism and are completely incapable of taking a hint or reading the mood.

>>9511

Really? I always wondered who these people were and why dA was so full of that shit.

>get serious about making gains (again)

>copy all of Hampton

>retain virtually nothing, but move on anyway

>decide to do Vilppu manual and vids up to chapter 6, copying most of the drawings in both

>suddenly stop, don't feel like I've improved at all

>in despair with paralysis by analysis

>repeating the copies multiple times until the information stuck hadn't occurred to me until then

>too disillusioned with Vilppu to keep going, and developed a distaste for many of Hampton's forms

>copying my favorite manga/anime artists and drawing instagram whores rebuilds some confidence

>the time for rote learning with Loomis is nigh

>>9536

You should've been doing this right from the beginning. Art books and shit never really helped me

>>9546

cardiovascular exercise help with that I hear.

>>9548

I ran 9 miles today and 18 miles the day before. Doesn't really help.

>>9546

What about meditation?

You'll still suck, but you'll feel less down about it, which could allow you do draw more while being more relaxed.

>>9546

>I used to draw for hours

There's your problem.

>>9498

>>9511

>>9513

I found archives of requesters in the /aco/ drawthread making the exact same request for two whole years (they've probably done the same on other sites too).

http://boards.4chan.org/aco/thread/2388092#p2391007

>>9564

Jesus. By that time they could have started learning how to draw the requests themselves.

>>9564

Janitor deleted that single post so here's the archive for convenience:

https://desuarchive.org/aco/thread/2388092/#2391007

>>9565

Wow, yeah. As easy as it can be to look down at "deviantArt" poorly-drawn fetish pictures, at least they're actually being creative and hopefully learning.

Two years, damn.

God damn it, I never realized how shitty it is to try and draw arms until now. I'm getting my fucking face smashed in by it.

>>9753

how poetic your way of speaking, I admire you.

Let's talk about style, anons. How did you acquire yours? I've been drawing for years now and still don't have anything that looks uniquely mine.

>>9767

Hmmm…

>>9766

I studied things I like, and how to draw "good" in general. So like, learning the basic fundamentals and building blocks of art, and then shaping them how I personally prefer.

You can't really acquire a "style" without doing that. You just end up drawing what comes out of habit, if you don't.

>>9786

You're more likely to get someone ugly as fuck rather than some good looking. Think enjoy how shady someone has to be if they make money off of being nude.

>>9786

Make sure to have a good fap while you're there. If you come in a long trenchcoat and tell them you're feeling cold, you can get away with it.

>>9789

If it really bothers him that much, he can always draw them hotter than irl. Still worth a fap though.

>>9789

The models were actually really attractive young ladies, but I had so much to think about to be aroused. I've gained a new appreciation for human faces, though.

>>9791

A trenchcoat would have been a good idea in winter, but it can be up to 80 degrees these days.

Another failed day of my ill-conceived attempt to make something of my life by drawing. Everything always turns out so shit, this shit is fucking tiring garbage and the suicidal feelings never go away. How is everyone else doing?

>>9834

About the same, though for different reasons. At least I'm still drawing and trying to improve.

>>9834

This might sound stupid, but try giving up on yourself. Give up the idea that you can do something great with art or turn it into a job. Do it for the curiosity of trying out small things, maybe you can do something fun with it yourself, but not make a masterpiece.

>>9807

My figure drawing class was mostly this old skeleton looking guy, but we had one class where it was actually a qt. A funny story about that.

>In early with a few other students

>Sitting with charcoal bro, here either the best of the class or second best; really knows his shit.

>A new girl walks in with a with a medium size drawing pad

>Not uncommon as a lot of the professor's students from other classes like to go into other classes to use the studio or get some extra practice in

>Charcoal bro starts talking to her for awhile until she goes to the bathroom

>Professor comes in and class starts

>Instead of the usual model the new girl walks in with a robe on

The look on his face was priceless

>>9951

Keep it up stud, looking forward to the long awaited end of this hiatus and the return of the kang

>>9786

>>9807

Just wear tight underpants or boxer briefs. Even if you get a boner, they will keep it contained. After few sessions bones will not be an issue, as you will get used to models. As far as pans go, anything that is not baseball shorts, dress pants, or linen pants works.

>>9789

People are always saying that, but it's usually average to fairly attractive hippie, hipster, or punk chicks in my experience. If there is a guy, it's either an athletic guy with tattoos or a hipster/hippy guy with tattoos.

>>9967

have you thought about figuring out ways to cut corners and work faster? 1k a month for just one page a week is steep and it looks bad to prospective readers, unless you're doing full color illustrations like ava's demon or something people are not going to buy.

>>9967

>$1k a month

$1k a month, bud it takes most comics at least 5 years to reach a sizable enough audience to reach as much as 100 true fans, even then patreon bux aren't guaranteed, especially if you're reaching so high on your first comic.

>>9973

Carve metal sheets, they'll be harder to tear out.

>>9967

Dude, sorry to be blunt but 500$ a month for 3 pages of a comic like yours it's absurd. There are a lot of better artists that are more productive and produce higher quality works, and they don't reach 400$. If you need money, sure, patreon is good, and i'd say go for commissions. If your concerns are for the comic, i would personally go for a slower pace and improving my art, since on the story level it looks like a generic neverending shonen like bleach or hunterxhunter.

Use that product to experiment and refine your abilities, and when you feel you can make something better, end it and move to your next project.

>>10002

Generic, neverending Shonen is GOOD, redart!

>>10002

Agreed.

>>9967

You're shooting yourself in the foot by saying it's only 13 chapters long, as a prospective reader & patron, that's too short of an overall a project to keep my interest and give you my moneys. Your incentives are really weak.

Your overall comic isn't very easy to follow, direction and world building are very confusing and I think you focus too much on "looking cool" than the actual story material.

Your situation is not unique, there are many comic artists who struggle with finances and making their comics. Improve.

>>9967

I love you man but I honestly don't think most anyone on this board is in the position to get regular payment for their work. Don't let it frustrate you too much, there is a light at the end of the tunnel for all of us as long as we don't quit.

On the other hand, it costs absolutely nothing to try, and if that's what you want to do I'd say go for it, but just have realistic (low) expectations and don't let its potential failure stress you out. I don't know if it's worth the trouble but no one can fault you for trying, certainly. The only problem is it'd take time that'd possibly be better off working to improve to set up.

I hate reading

It always amazes me how many of my fellow artists are willing to throw away any dignity and start drawing the most sick shit for money.

>>10031

What kind of most sick shit?

>>10036

If you have to ask..

Relax, guys. Everything is going to be alright.

>>10086

I know you're trying to be funny and meme, but I'm too agitated for that. It's so damn depressing to met somebody who think is cool and find out they waste their talent on meaningless lust-driven decadence. There's nothing wrong with porn, but most artists my age are OBSESSED with it, it comprises 90% of everything they draw.

>>10087

Everything is wrong with porn. I avoid watching it since it floods my visual memory until I'm unable to put feelings into my female characters as they turn into inanimate sex objects. Porn is literal degeneracy pushed by politicians to lower the testosterone levels of the mass.

>>10087

I know how you feel. seeing an artist who can draw fighter jets with autistic precision only for them to be drawn as LEWD AIRPLANES UWU is among one of the most rage inducing things i'd ever laid eyes on. It's the prime definition of wasted talent.

It's kinda predictable that horny youfs would draw a lot of porn. but my god is it irritating.

there are serious artists who produce wholesome content out there anon, the market just generally pays up for trash.

>>10087

>>10089

>>10090

What's actually so bad about them drawing porn? I'd like to hear you guys articulate this.

>>10091

I personally like porn and regular stuff so I don't understand getting worked up over it.

>>10091

there isn't anything wrong with drawing porn in it's own right. However, drawing porn caters to a select number of people and it creates a division between who can and who can't enjoy your art, even if you're also doing wholesome stuff (unless your porn isn't out in the open for everyone to see). This doesn't apply to the people who do it once in a while. Not everyone cares to see it, and there are few times when it is appropriate to enjoy. Depending on the situation you may find yourself drawing porn for money forever and never freeing yourself from it. Unfortunately on the internet information gets around at a frightening pace and your reputation either gets cemented or ruined pretty much instantly. So choose wisely.

>>10105

>>10104

Yeah, i'm not sure what there is to be offended about here. I should clarify that what i'm talking about is the realm of explicit material, not pinups, and of people who make that explicit material their brand, not a every so and so type of thing.

>>10091

>>10098

>>10105

Did you guys even read my post?

>There's nothing wrong with porn, but most artists my age are OBSESSED with it, it comprises 90% of everything they draw.

I've drawn porn for god's sake, I said I don't have a problem with porn but rather a problem with how obsessed so many artists seem to be with it.

It's fine to have a different view on the situation, but please don't try to act like I'm saying something I'm not.

>>10107

You might be over generalizing.

I don't know where you hang out but the great majority of drawfags I know aren't particularly obsessed with porn. The ones who are are usually furries.

>>10107

pretty much this >>10109

If you hang out on tumblr you'll get blacks, pop culture and degenerates, pixiv usually has lewds, anime and manga, and so on for other sites. You also fail to realize that maybe it's because it sells. Every artist would like to become famous and land jobs with his original concepts, but the truth is that it's higly unlikeable. So while nudes gives you money, you can still draw whatever in your free time, since now you're economically stable (for an artist).

Reminder that drawing pornographic images is committing and contributing to the sin of lust and is against the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ.

>>10162

Draw the bones fam, draw the frick out of them.

>>10162

>Only five tutorials

You still need to suffer so much more than that

>>10202

I'll be your are bro! I'm pretty much by myself in this journey too

>>10206

You and me both karma chameleon

>>10206

Not him, but I'll hear you out. Drop some contact info somehow, and I'd listen to your plight.

>>10212

if you really want to do this

what would work for you?

I can't live as a poorfag anymore but I can't handle the pressure to get good enough to make money out of my art. Suicide is the only way out.

>>10245

>trying to turn art into a job when you're in need of money

Suicide may indeed be the only way out.

>>10245

drawing is meant to be a hobby dude

even if you get good, it is still very hard to make enough to live off of

you either need to have a very low cost of living in order or you need to be very lucky or work for a company

>>10368

Water fast until you're done with it.

>>10357

But how?

>>10377

Are you having fun with your pencil, at least?

Went to art school instead of a real college, was lazy and came out still shit so there's no place for me in the field. I don't know what caused the stroke that turned off most of my brain and let me think art school would be a good idea.

I wonder when i'll finally get fed up with $13/hr entry level jobs and end myself. Probably after I finish paying off the 70k in debt so that the parents don't have that shit dumped on them.

>>10402

don't eat anything until you are done with whatever you are working on, besides drinking water

>>10416

>>10414

you don't need to eat as much as you think, your body is very efficient machine in this respect.

not saying you shouldn't eat until you are 100% done, just don't eat until you have page of a comic done, or at least a rough sketch of it, or character design seats or something.

most people can go without food for weeks, a few hours or days won't hurt anyone unless you have the diabetes or something

New thread

>>10425

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>>10422

That sounds like a great way to not have enough energy and feel like shit.

>>10434

anon, in the past humans didn't eat everyday, and they had enough energy to run after shit that way faster then them, and feeling like shit is the whole point.

the sooner you get done with what you are working on for that day, the soon you won't feel like shit

>>10438

In the past they were also lucky to live past 30.

>>10487

that was because they would get eaten by something, killed by someone, or die due do to an infection

nothing to do with food