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 No.459 [Open thread]

Semiotics, Cybernetics, and You!

Ready to learn?

http://visual-memory.co.uk/daniel/Documents/S4B/sem02.html

Here are some strictly complementary resources to round out your knowledge once you have an understanding of what semiotics is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulacra_and_Simulation

http://vimeo.com/73536828

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybernetics

By the time you understand what is in this post, you'll see the world a different way. It might not hit you immediately, but it will happen.
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 No.1510

>>1505

All models are wrong but some are useful etc etc.

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 No.1511

>>1510

That is agreeable but basing entire economies and policies on them is untenable. This is actually something that some people want to do.

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 No.1546

Extremely interesting, however I didn't fully read through the first link but I read big chunks. I assume that is probably why it feels like I'm missing something. Going through the deception one(haven't done it fully)

Ive seen a few references to magic but I guess my eye for noticing it isn't so good yet. I feel as if there are a lot of messages hidden in the pictures and that's probably what they're trying to show

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 No.1550

http://thoughtmaybe.com/all-watched-over-by-machines-of-loving-grace/#top

I'm still reading the introduction to semiotics but I'm leaving this link for when I'm back.

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 No.1568

Somewhat off topic but not really. I didn't realize how much the symbols mattered to people when watching a show until I watched a documentary with a friend. I usually pay attention to the words and see the symbols but the words are what I pay most attention to unless it's a video of something happening. The documentary had very few symbols and was mainly talking. The information was great but because he had no picture telling him what to think it's as if he didn't hear any of it. He didn't even know what they were talking about after it was over.

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 No.1064 [Open thread]

I will be posting the five parts of the "Counter Intelligence - Shining a Light on Black Operations"

Part I - the Company
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 No.1519

Just found this board recently. Started watching this documentary and I'm on episode 2. Really enjoy the board so far keep it up

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 No.1528

>Episode 1

>This video is not available.

Looks like you're counter-intelligence documentary has been...

Countered.

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 No.1529

>>1528

Also every part but #5 isn't working for me.

Mirror?

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 No.1548

>>1529

>>1528

Is this the documentary you're talking about?

https://vimeo.com/65148608 [part 1]

https://vimeo.com/65942057 [part 2]

https://vimeo.com/66019647 [part 3]

Euhhh, the guy who uploaded the video doesn't know Roman numbers so I don't know which one is 4 (IV) or 6(VI)

Here's the rest.

https://vimeo.com/user4563180/videos/page:2/sort:date

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 No.1549

>>1548

Oh, there's no part 6.

nvm then, here's the rest

https://vimeo.com/66610572 [part 4]

https://vimeo.com/66183267 [part 5]

It's not available to you because you live in an open-minded country.

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 No.1531 [Open thread]

Usually, there are statements hidden in plain sight. Watch this three-minute scene from pop culture classic "The Matrix" before we go into detail.

All right. Did you see it? Let's move on then..

Morpheus is the god of dreams, of metamorphosis, and therefore capable of imitating any human form to communicate with those who are asleep. Here the protagonist awakens, without knowing how did he fall asleep, seeking Morpheus shadow -the invisible man- that only has some random sporadic appearances in unrelated places.

The song the protagonist is listening in the scene is underground cyberpunk Dissolved Girl from Massive Attack. The part they show us is "I feel I have been here, but I am not leaving. I feel like I have done this before. I could fake being here, but no more".

But the hidden part they do not show us is "Oh, how I miss my bondage. I am thirsty of a master. You are not my saviour. A shame, a shame, I am lost again. I really should've left but I stayed. Say my name, oh say it. I only need you to placate my pain" (sorry if it is inaccurate, i dont have the exact lyrics at hand). You should recognize where that is from right away.

Wake up Neo (the one). Follow the White Rabbit (lepufology). Deep into the web, and made apparent by the hacker lair that Neo's place is.

The undesirables arrive to Neo's place. The protagonist opens a book and takes a disk, that he sells to the freaks. But, what book does he open? "Simulacra and Simulation", from the french philosopher Jean Baudrillard, and in the hollowed-out "On Nihilism" chapter no less! According to the book, simulacra are copies that picture things that have no original, or that no longer have an original. Simulation is the imitation of the operation of a process of reality about a determined period. Baudrillard claims that our current society has replaced all reality and significance with symbolism and signs, so that the human experience is no more than a simulation of reality. I could go on lenghts here, but the book is on the web.

Neo -the one, the new- hands over the discs to the freaks, and the freak leader calls himPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.1537

Do you have a point to make or are you just mindlessly marvelling at your own cleverness?

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 No.1540

>>1531

This could have been posted on the thread already in place about hidden messages and meanings in movies and television: http://8ch.net/32/res/244.html

If you would be so kind as to repost this content there, I can delete this thread or you can do it yourself.

Thank you for your understanding.

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 No.1542

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White Rabbit you say? Perhaps the SLC daycare tangent will interest you.

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 No.1543

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>>1542

I'm not sure you want to follow this rabbit hole.

> Perhaps you do

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 No.1579

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 No.1107 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

Who's game for a little field research?

Let's organize an experiment on undercover subversion. We'll pick a web community to infiltrate and see if we can influence the users to change their opinions and patterns of behavior over time. An experiment like this could produce a lot of interesting data and would increase activity on this board. Who's with me?
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 No.1512

>>1406

I think the poster you're replying to is spreading the meme that SJWs are largely type cluster B personality.

It would seem logical that they might be, and any disorder gives them oppression points, so it's not a bad operation, but seems a bit uncoordinated.

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 No.1565

Lurker here. Have you guys started?

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 No.1570

>>1565

Yes

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 No.1659

...

Ahem: >>>/bmw/

>>>/bmw/1

My my, I wonder who's behind this?

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 No.3868

>>1107

Well, the odds are low, but my curiosity is too large to not try.

for any of you who were involved in or around this, did anything come of it? What lessons were learned?

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 No.1484 [Open thread]

Semi-official disclosure of psychological intelligence operations http://www.starpod.us/2013/05/10/death-of-star-gate-resurrection-of-phoenix/#.VTNFlZ9wbqA
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 No.1486

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>>1484
Received this advert afterwards
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 No.1494

Really weird. These links are related
>>1435
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 No.1495

>>1484
And why shouldn't we believe that so-called evidence like pic in the OP isn't falsified after the fact to bolster legitimacy of the program in retrospect?
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 No.1496

>>1495
One is beholden to facts as they are
That you perceive reality as real is totally up to you
That others perceive reality is not your reality
Believe what you will and the ultimate reality expresses itself
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 No.1480 [Open thread]

Do you like codenames, developing procedures and methodology and following complex documentation standards? Do you have so much free time you don't even know what to do with it? Are you looking for conversation with individuals who share your weirdly specific interests?

You're in luck!
At the /32/ IRC channel you can find all of that and more! Come hang out with the cool kids on #32 between approximately 20h00 and 23h00 EST pretty much every day.
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 No.1482

Is this endorsed by Sniffles?
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 No.1483

>>1482
Yes. I'm there but I'm not in charge.
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 No.1411 [Open thread]

I propose that we could benefit from predicting and manipulating the psychological tendencies which shape groups over time. This thread is a place to map, predict and engage in subversion of them.

Particularly relevant in our case is the tendency towards a common way of speaking and the race to exemplify group-values in extremis. We can see this on almost any board on this site.

It would be foolish to think that we will escape this tendency generally. But we could at least cultivate a consciousness of it.

I think a way to do this would be to deliberately break norms in this thread. i.e. post about parts of your perspective which you might otherwise omit for fear of not being /32/ enough. I'm sure we'd all be interested to see our differences as well as our similarities.

Sniffles, perhaps this thread could be a bit lenient on enforcement of norms via rules, for good faith experimental purposes?
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 No.1426

>>1423
Well, I suppose this was all just a case of miscommunication, specifically misreading of the OP by me.

I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean by "going off topic", because everything you proposed so far sounds completely on-topic for the board, and to be honest, pretty interesting.

>Or perhaps I'm over-estimating how much is actually going on in most people's minds and attention?
Doubt it.

Well, don't let my misguided rambling put you off any further. If you want to start a new thread for this with a different title and op and delete this one, let me know. If you don't, that's fine too.
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 No.1452

The OP was too unclear, but perhaps people should also have asked for more instead of jumping on what they assumed it was. Micscomm. Not a problem. Moving on:

>Or perhaps I'm over-estimating how much is actually going on in most people's minds and attention?
>Doubt it.

I've been thinking about this. I suspect that i it is both. And it's not talked about nearly as much as it is important.

One thing I think that's hard to quantify and is central to psyhopolitics is a kind of core belief in the realities around. Maybe it corresponds with the Big 5's agreeableness to a small degree. But there are many who are low on that scale who don't lack this belief. And it doesn't correspond too much to rationalistic skepticism either, which often comes from people who believe very much in some particular take on the world.

It's a kind of tendency towards comfort in the limits of discourse, the games the society is currently playing. And you're right that there is A LOT people filter out to settle into this comfort. But there's also a rare quality of utter incredulity that drives certain people out of those limits. Perhaps they have a bit more to filter, perhaps it's a different disposition towards what could potentially be filtered.

Going on sheer intuition, it has some relation to the aristocratic scorn you see in certain British people (rejecting stuff as 'nonsense' and a kind of ubiquitous sense of common people and their self-believing talk as ridiculous). But that's only a weight on the scale, again. not a correspondence.

And you get some small measure of this in quite a lot of people. But most end up not going that far or settling in some slightly-more-out there group or combination of groups. The political malcontents, the searchers, the 'spiritual', the cunning.

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 No.1453

...


I actually do know about an unpublished model used by intelligence agencies which has a psychological trait in it (well, 2 separate ones) that correspond strongly with what I'm talking about. But they haven't related it to this (at least not in their lower echelons, and not explicitly). And I can't go into it too much here. It's not needed for the discussion.

Basically, if we at /32/ can find a term for this, we can introduce a kind of psychological counterweight to the inevitable descent into rigidified ways of speaking, and self-caricature, that affects interest-based communities.

And I think also understand something about what it is that drives certain individuals above and over others. This isn't a trait that corresponds with social authority directly. Just with those limited few who work through social authority to completely game others.

I guess you could almost call it Satanic; inclined towards scorn, disbelief, and rejection. Inclined in character to a faith in the stupidity and limit of what you're in, and therefore inclined to find that which subverts its meaning or is above it.

I think it corresponds with psychopathy, in that psychopathy is willing to use any means to achieve its ends. That surely relates to viewing the world as 'fake' or counterfeit, somehow, and people's behaviors and beliefs as not worthy of the respect of non-manipulation. In fact, we know a number of recent studies that:

1) Willingness to commit anti-social actions strongly and positively corresponds with high social class
2) Psychopaths abound at the top
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 No.1454

>>1426

Off-topic thing is just about how 'that's not we're about' is used to limit discourse throughout society. People cluster into little sectors, and limit themselves to fit them. The limits the 'sayable' and what people have accepted as relevant or what they're interested in impose.

I'm not saying this place does that worse than anywhere. Was just about trying to create a free space to deal with an inherent cognitive/character flaw people have and are endlessly manipulated by. That flaw being having their attention/discourse shaped by the sociality around, and thinking that somehow it's what they actually are.

This is especially bad in academia, and academia demonstrates what I'm saying: there's a kind of atmospheric fear of saying the unfashionable, and ridicule of those who do. People just fall into the bizarre way of speaking that's required in their discipline, and it forms them, and then they believe it's them.

On /pol/ and places, you see this endless tendency towards self-caricature, where people try to win discourse by framing it in the values and fashions of the group, until those fashions just control and wipe out balanced and expansive free cognition.
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 No.1455

>>1436

See this post. 'Politics as magic'.

Kids who believe in magic reject this reality.

They know there's more. It's a kind of scorn for what's put in front of them in this new world they're in. People stop talking about that as they age, but maybe in some it develops into this core trait I'm talking about.
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 No.613 [Open thread]

While perhaps not strictly psychopolitical, Organizational Theory is a subject that is very relevant to the issues discussed on this board and may interest many of you.

Here is one popular introduction to the topic: hxxp://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or-the-office-according-to-the-office/

Thoughts, opinions?
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 No.780

>>630
>How does this idea of social networks relate to the feedback-loop notion that is central to cybernetics?

Cybernetics need not only apply to individual neurons. Any flow of information can be modeled, analyzed, dissected and hopefully understood thereby.

Feedback loops are not necessarily required in cybernetics. Feed forward networks are one such system whereby feedback loops are not required (depending on implementation, training, and use).

In a social network individuals makeup the nodes and messages / pictures / statuses etc. propagate across the network. A node may generate a signal of interest/value to other nodes and said signal may cause the individual to make posts in a similar vein to receive similar interest/reward.

The typical loop is Sense, Decide, Act, repeat. When Sensing an environment that has been modified by prior action one may formulate new decision based upon the prior decision, thus creating a feedback loop. Such systems can be applied nearly universally in reality to classify and understand reactive events. Even light filaments sense their voltage, decide to emit photons, and act to propagate heat and light (which can then change resistance of the filament, etc).

Social networks often provide a notification of reply feature that feeds back into the Sense, Decide, Act loop. Feedback in a social network can be a positive or negative thing, but the act of receiving feedback itself is typically experienced as a positive thing. This creates a positive feedback loop whereby interaction in the social network is incentivized spurning more interaction.

There are many other such feedback loops in social networks, some less immediate than others. Try learning to manipulate messaging via providing the (un)desired social incentives to subjects. Comment or interact with nodes that generate information you wish to propagate more, and shun/distract others away from undesired info sources. Often self-valuation of action in a social context is relative, so one can inflate interaction proportionate to others to boost esteem or increase interaction with all but the subject to lower esteem. This works best with multiple (sock puppet) social networking accounts / personas and applies both online and off.
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 No.1181

Would like to see more discussion on this.
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 No.1377

>>632
But at the same time, a decentralised network leads to some suppression of information, in the sense that not only do owners of local nodes still control the interactions of their subordinate nodes, but even the act of decentralising a network would inevitably lead to information asymmetry in the network.

The prime example is the schismatic nature of some boards on 8chan. /pol/, /leftypol/, /polpol/, you name it. In many cases, users prefer to use one board and thus their discussion, criticism, creativity, etc etc is lost on or severely limited to the communities on the other boards.

Therefore, I suggest point 4:
4-Spread out your interactions among many similar platforms rather than using only one.

This would make the internet look more like a distributed network I think.
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 No.1400

>>613

Not sure if you can get your hands on it (torrent, or buying it), but a book called:

> Hidden Order - How Adaptation Builds Complexity by John H. Holland

goes deep into societal and economic organization, how a society functions and meets its economic demands, how they arise and evolve, and basic explanations with (dated) computer models and graphics.

Good 'quick' read if you like this sorta stuff.
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 No.1401

>>1377

People are currently trying to create a distributed internet network (look at how the blockchain technology that bitcoin is based of is being utilized in other projects).

As far as nodes of control the book I mentioned
> Hidden Order - How Adaptation Builds Complexity by John H. Holland
has a short chapter talking about nodes of control and societal functioning.

One interesting point he brought up was systems of true demand need no actual controlling nodes. An example he used was how NYC (~22 million people) never really runs out of food, although there is no central node to import and designate food import and distribution - it still gets delivered with near perfect consistency.
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 No.655 [Open thread]

Thinking in broad, historical terms:

How did MTV change the way that media is consumed? Did it change the standards of popular culture?

Did MTV define modern youth?

Did the internet amplify these changes?

Is virtual reality going to be another media breakthrough that changes our cultural relationship with media consumption?
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 No.661

>>657
Interesting position. Found this

The series Nummer 28, which aired on Dutch television in 1991, originated the concept of putting strangers together in the same environment for an extended period of time and recording the drama that ensued. Nummer 28 also pioneered many of the stylistic conventions that have since become standard in reality television shows, including a heavy use of soundtrack music and the interspersing of events on screen with after-the-fact "confessionals" recorded by cast members, that serve as narration. One year later, the same concept was used by MTV in its new series The Real World. Nummer 28 creator Erik Latour has long claimed that The Real World was directly inspired by his show;[15] however, the producers of The Real World have stated that their direct inspiration was An American Family.[16]

According to television commentator Charlie Brooker, this type of reality television was enabled by the advent of computer-based non-linear editing systems for video (such as produced by Avid Technology) in 1989. These systems made it easy to quickly edit hours of video footage into a usable form, something that had been very difficult to do before (film, which was easy to edit, was too expensive to shoot enough hours of footage with on a regular basis).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_television
actually a very interesting Wikipedia article
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 No.1348

So this was ghost bumped for some reason?
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 No.1349

>>1348
I needed to rearrange some things and this thread got accidentally bumped to the top. Remember: on this board all threads are considered active until they 404.

Feel free to ignore it, anyway.
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 No.1367

>>655
Look at the subliminal messages in most pop songs played in clubs. I don't think it is politically motivated but it is interesting to see how it promotes impulsive and disinhibitive desires.
>drink more
>fuck more
>spend more
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 No.1370

While most networks, both news and entertainment, have tried to create an appearance of neutrality, MTV has always openly supported the progressive agenda: liberation of drugs, normalization of homosexuality, etc. Seems clear to me that this openness is related to the age group it targets (late teens, young adults), but the question is: do they openly support these topics only because they want to attract viewers, or are they actually trying to further the agenda, but the naïvete and receptiveness of the TA makes it unnecessary to hide their intentions (as with most networks)?

As for the former military man at the head of the company, well... the way I see it there are three kinds of veterans: the ones that realize what their role was (and justly dislike the military and the government in general), the ones that don't realize it (and hold a negative, neutral or sometimes positive view of the system), and the ones who realize it but embrace it. These last ones held high ranks and maintain their loyalty to the true cause. I simply don't fully trust former military men at the head of anything except for anti-government militias, especially when it somes to communications.
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 No.1297 [Open thread]

Some posts in this thread

>>>/liberty/983

got me thinking about the deliberate and covert creation of subcultures or belief systems for control. I think there is more to this topic. What are your opinions?

(Apologies if this is not a good thread idea.)

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 No.1301

>>1298
Here's an archive of the thread.
https://archive.today/tKUbq

Basically OP asked if anyone is a follower of Eris. Someone asked what Eris is and got some different answers, one said it was a cult, one said it was discordianism, one said that everyone is a pope in this religion, one said it was diluted occultism and nihilism. A few people pointed out that it seems paradoxical to follow a religion with no rules. Then they started talking about the origins of this religion and that's when the thread got really interesting.
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 No.1302

No doubt subcultures can be used to the advantage of certain groups, but I would wager that their creation is mostly organic (i.e. spontaneous).

Although if I was creating a group with the intent of gathering individuals to be manipulated, it seems like the best course of action is to start as a vague and "casual" (as in, apolitical, non-ideological) group, attracting the largest possible pool of candidates for extremification. Then, I would slowly insert my ideology, simultaneously converting the members and testing them for the required psychological vulnerabilities that are convenient to my goals (e.g. need for belonging, desire to change the world, submission to leading figures). After that it would be a matter of tweaking with the traditional cult tactics of brainwashing at whatever concentration it suited me.
Now that I think about it, this approach would best suit those who do not have the necessary resources to directly start a cult, say individuals with no governmental or commercial support; and those who don't get direct access to the followers, such as recruiting through the internet.

I don't think that discordianism is one of those cases. It's been around for too long without anything happening to it. There are more efficient ways to create nihilists and chaos worshipers in the general population than something that sounds like a cult. At the end of the day, it's nothing more than harmless fun.
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 No.1305

There are other midcentury subcultures perhaps more appropriate for analysis in this thread. One that springs to mind are the hippies.

Though Discordianism's supposed link to yippies does mean that it is perhaps a candidate for inclusion under the header of a controlled subculture.
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 No.1316

One that immedately sprang to mind as an inclusive subculture born out of a response of commercialization and free from co-opted control are juggalos. The subculture came into existence in the mtv era of the 90s as grunge came into the forefront of white subculture representing lower/middleclass values. ICP sought to create a musical style and subculture that could truly never become accepted in the mainstream. Acts of violence and occult imagery are grotesquely discussed in their music, and clown paint is used to destroy any serious visual aesthetic. They are the only musically based subculture I can think of which singlehandedly fuels the sale of an obscure soda and whose movement has been described as a gang by the FBI. Complete respect for ICP for exploring new musical inclusive spaces that have remained free of commercialization and cooption by other cultural groups
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 No.1324

I have heard that The Beatles and a lot of the acts popular at the same time were created by the Tavistock Institute. It is hard to get much info on Tavistock though. Jim Morisson's dad was a naval intel officer or somesuch.
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 No.1113 [Open thread]

http://origins.osu.edu/article/human-use-human-beings-brief-history-suicide-bombing

neat article that i feel is /32/ related
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 No.1269

Very interesting article.

We often fail at comprehending cultural events because we analyze them from a logical perspective, especially those related to religion. On the case of suicide bombings, we make the opposite mistake, we assume they happen because the individuals live in a culture that is naturally propense to make use of such tactics. The truth is quite simpler, in order to make a smart bomb you just use the formula: bomb+smarts=smart bomb. It is a purely logical decision, even though there is a cultural and psychological aspect to the process and to the conflict itself.

Another quite logical aspect are the technological constraints under which these groups operate. Over the past century, human beings have been slowly replaced by machines in nearly every area including, of course, the military. Thus, it is not only understandable but evident that groups with restricted access to technology and logistics structures in general would use human beings to solve problems that modern military forces use technology to solve. In the far regions of the middle east (which is where these particular groups operate), plows are pulled with horses, bricks are made by hand and money is transferred physically from one individual to another. In such an environment, what choice do they have for making precision-guided munitions other than strap a guide to the munition?

Naturally, there is the matter of the psychological impact of suicide missions in general, which is probably more relevant to the board than the other part of the discussion; but this is only a secondary effect, one that was discovered after suicide bombings were already in place. It served to strengthen their resolve in the use of such tactics, not to sell them the idea.
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 No.1207 [Open thread]

Psychopolitical concepts ITT. Any thoughts on the matter? Is Gamergate more important than we realize?

http://8ch.net/gamergatehq/res/9240.html
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 No.1215

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>>1213
Certainly data collection/analytics/predictive tech is a concern. There is also the increasing use of games in the classroom replacing teacher-based lessons. What does this mean for how students are taught?
>pic related

Engaging in simulations changes the way we conceive of ourselves and the world. For children, I would assume even more so. This is quite interesting, as is original material about the concept of the magic circle:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Circle_%28virtual_worlds%29#The_Magic_Circle_applied_to_digital_media

So much money and research is going towards influencing attitudes through the use of new media (video games) that I worry about who gets to control the medium. If you look over the thread in the OP there are lots of high powered groups involved.

We are currently undergoing a shift in meaning... Consider the trajectory of media over the last 100 years. The simulacra are becoming increasingly pervasive.

Going back to the magic circle idea, games create a set of arbitrary needs and rules that become centerstage for the player. They give the player a false sense of agency and action. They are very, very powerful.
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 No.1216

If you or anyone you know have ever been addicted to an MMO, imagine if the structure which makes them so alluring was used in early childhood education to instil values or pattern behaviour. We all like to consider ourselves immune from such control but on a population level, with millions of dollars of research in place, there is the chance for measurable influence. Considering that some people have the power and money to enact such changes, what is to stop them from doing this sort of thing under the guise of progressiveness and positive technological adaptation? Could it be happening right now, anons? Just some food for thought.
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 No.1217

>>1215
One of the authors of the book that used the magic circle to describe new media actually runs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Play
and a model school which uses games for learning.
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 No.1219

>>1216

But I always think I am a bad person in a MMO and just lying to everybody else...
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 No.1242

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>>1215
I see this as the next evolution of consent-manufacturing technology. In the past it was via the mass media, now it is via social media and bubbling and related techniques, in the future it will be via specialized games that interactively lead you to conclusions while convincing you that your own agency lead you there.
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 No.424 [Open thread]

AKA how to use the psychology behind religion (or any non-normie method) to build a harem full of devote acolytes?
Help me out here
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 No.1102

>>1101
I heard the 3 generations line from some Russian propaganda expert.

Jones was a Jesuit, probably the masters of mind control today. At the fourth vow if they are ordered to martyr themselves for the black pope they probably will. I heard that fiasco was used to drive Americans back to the mother church, make them think twice about joining fringe cults which is interdasting considering the thread topic.
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 No.1103

>>1102
He wasn't a jesuit, he wasn't even a catholic. His church had the whole "standing, dancing and singing" business, he began as a student pastor at a methodist church and he aligned with pentecostal groups.

If the People's Temple was a greater conspiracy than just a megalomaniac's fulfillment of absolute control over others (which I believe it wasn't), it would have been either an experiment or a message/threat from one part of the deep state to another.
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 No.1154

Make it fun. Cults are made up of fools and are led by even bigger fools.
But people in a cult will not care about that as long as their bellies are full and its fun to be in it.
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 No.1174

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>>434
>there is probably more in the MEGA folder
Which documents, to be specific? I'm not sure which are relevant to this topic and which are not.
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 No.1177

>>1174
Sorry, I don't know, that's why I said "probably"
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 No.985 [Open thread]

I recently watched this documentary, and two aspects of it came to my attention as things that this board might like to discuss.

The first thing I got from this was a repugnance towards the whole marketing/advertising industry. Primarily for targeting small children and using the parent's natural instincts of wanting what is best for them in order to fool them into buying not only unnecessary but often harmful things.
Using appeals to emotion and techniques of psychological manipulation in order to condition toddlers to consume seems abhorrent to me. As I ground this over, I realized that advertising in general doesn't seem ethical: instead of making available the technical data about the product that would allow the consumer to pick according to price range and quality, advertising uses persuasion tactics to appeal to the involuntary part of the mind and override reason and logic. Is advertising in general immoral?

A second topic I only noticed a few hours later was the fact that the documentary managed to elicit an emotional response from me. I felt attachment to the children on the screen and anger towards those that did them harm. This stems from the nearly-universal instincts we have towards our young, but something about this work in particular seemed quite effective in exploiting that. How do filmmakers maximize this effect?

Personally, I found the part where the children talk about what they want to be when they grow up very touching. Perhaps I associate it with a sense of purity that serves to contrast even more strongly with the apparent corruption/degradation of marketing. I wonder if any of you will get similar responses.
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 No.986

Yes, advertising is pretty immoral. Maybe that is an inherent quality to it, or maybe it is just its current state. I'll have to watch the video you posted.
Have you seen Adam Curtis's "Century of the Self"? You might be interested.
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 No.987

>>986
Yes, I've seen it.
Interestingly, I did not get such a strong reaction from it. Perhaps because of the fractured nature, or the educational instead of expository tone.

All aspiring psycho-politicians must remember that we are not beings of pure reason, and that just because we are aware of the manipulation doesn't mean that we are immune from it. Sometimes we must stop looking at the object we are studying as impersonal observers and realize how we are personally affected by it. This can give us greater insight than if we pretended not to be humans.
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 No.995

This partially links to the thread on the hyper sexualization of children:
http://8ch.net/32/res/666.html

One anon talked about how adults are being infantilized and children "adultified". This was assumed to be a strategy for easier political control, but not everything needs to be explained by the Big Bad State. Sometimes it's just a matter of money and greed; not about making servants, but consumers.
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 No.1158

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK0DxXyp_EE

Working link.
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 No.1159

>>1158
Thank you
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 No.1038 [Open thread]

Why is ISIL so successful in convincing girls to abandon their families in developed countries and marry men they have never known?

Most cults usually demand that the recruit physically meets with them so that every aspect of their conditioning may be explored. ISIL is capable of convincing these girls to take extreme actions relying almost exclusively on online interaction.

Perhaps it is a consequence of the "progressive" culture in those countries, which leaves the young people craving for a sense of structure and belonging. Or maybe the act of leaving one's family and country to join a terrorist group is the ultimate act of rebellion.

One consistent factor in these stories is that, despite being described as "British" or "Austrian", these girls seem to mostly come from immigrant families, especially from regions with a Muslim background. This escape could then be interpreted not as running away from something, but as a search for one's true identity. The fact that adolescence is a time of self-discovery seems to support this idea.

I would like to hear your thoughts on the subject.
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 No.1050

>>1041
My point is, you're looking for a general pattern when there isn't one. The numbers are too small.

Some people find their partner on dating sites, some bump into them while out shopping, some meet at dinner parties, some are seduced online and run off to Iraq. If, for example, there was a massive upsurge in the percentage of marriages that started at a particular market, this would be indicative of a general trend revolving around that market. But a tiny smattering is simply to be expected from random individual whims and impulses, just as any bizarre meeting scenario you could think of probably happens a few times a year. You're trying to find a picture in background noise.
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 No.1055

>>1050
Fair enough.

I suppose we can't all be so lucky as to find the love of our lives online and go joint that person in an insane fundamentalist crusade against civilization.
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 No.1094

>>1038
I don't even really buy the meme that girls are leaving western countries for ISIS. I think they are basically fake news. I don't have any proof for you but it's pretty damn hard to prove something *didn't* happen

We had a few girls leave for ISIS from the Denver area, which has a long history of sketchy stories involving Muslims (Colorado has a lot of agency presence and also Army PSYOP)
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 No.1097

It's simple - most of them are young. They're in their teens or early twenties. Anyone who has actually interacted with teenage girls will be aware of the fact that they are astoundingly easy to emotionally manipulate.
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 No.1114

>>1094
They're from Western countries but they are almost all Muslim. The propaganda isn't that ISIS is recruiting Westerners, it is globalist propaganda that the Muslim communities in the West are loyal.
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