No.1382
As predicted the obvious mass of election spam is invading /pol/
It will continue escalating and intensifying until after the inauguration about spring in 2017
Democracy is a scam. Ballots of the commoners are meaningless and not used to select the next politicians.
>Yeah we know the politicians are bought out and guys like Ron Paul are smeared!
No. No one is elected by voters voting. Why would those in power leave their hegemony vulnerable to popular caprices?
Votes are suggestions at best. In the modern digitized age they are used for datamining purposes so that you feel good about the generic politicians that are set up as the puppets for international interests.
The people swaying your governments, currencies, academia and general afflictions already control money printing in all the major and secondary world powers. They have no need of "earning" money or getting more money. Stock market crashes are designed to rob everyone else, so is inflation.
Votes will never free the slaves, never have.
Free men shed blood to throw off the shackles, the strong thrive.
Don't get bogged down in discussions about who is voting for whom or the personal celebrity gossips about politicians.
You want changes in the community? Talk and organize with your neighbors.
You want healthy family? Build and nurture it. It is your job, the government can't instill good values on your behalf.
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No.1383
and...?
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No.1384
>>1383and a /32/ poster asked me to come here
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No.1385
>>1384Well, you make valid points, and nothing of what you said is wrong, but I don't think that what you are saying is news to anyone here. It is a generic way to start a thread, it states facts, but doesn't incite discussion.
How about we focus on one aspect of what you said that is related to the board theme?
You mentioned talking and organizing with your neighbors. How do you suggest one approaches the subject of the illusory nature of modern democracy without coming off as paranoid or delusional? How does one who is capable of comprehending the true nature of social dynamics introduces one's discoveries to the common uninterested demographics without alienating them? Is that even possible?
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No.1386
>>1385>How about we focus on one aspect of what you said that is related to the board theme?I'm not sure I understand the board theme beyond it stating "politics".
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No.1387
>>1385>You mentioned talking and organizing with your neighbors. How do you suggest one approaches the subject of the illusory nature of modern democracy without coming off as paranoid or delusional? How does one who is capable of comprehending the true nature of social dynamics introduces one's discoveries to the common uninterested demographics without alienating them? Is that even possible?You don't need to "redpill" people. Find issues that need solving in the community that can be approached by the community, so stuff like road potholes probably won't work since it is public domain.
It depends on the issues that need solving. If it's crime then starting a neighborhood watch is not that difficult. If it's schooling then start with tutoring and you can then discuss making a full on alternative education system.
Throw some problems at me that you find particularly difficult.
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No.1388
/pol/ is plebs at this point anyway. What kind of loser endlessly gets lost in identity politics and poor political analysis on a board where they and their fellows are unable to exercise power?
Those who aren't marks don't need to be told not to be, and to focus on their own advancement in real terms. Telling those who are will leave no lasting impact. It will function just like another of the outer forms which their limited attentional capacity gets filled with, that their undiscerning eyes are dazzled by.
Humanity as it is spawned the present situation. What you see around you is a narrative representation of its cognitive capacities. Those aren't going to change without some kind of brutal bottleneck.
On the 'community' stuff. Sure, but ensure the tradition and intelligence of your family first. Community is subject to the leverage and long reach of global forces, and endless exogenous propaganda and law. You can't necessarily bring community with you. But you might be able to bring a family with you through whatever's coming, and can use whatever's coming to forge deep bonds and accurate traditions that will set your descendants in good stead.
Anyway, you seem to have mistaken us for activists or dispossessed malcontents. Our purposes here are those of science and curiosity, not of saving ourselves as a class from some other persecuting class.
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No.1389
>>1388>Anyway, you seem to have mistaken us for activists or dispossessed malcontents. Our purposes here are those of science and curiosity, not of saving ourselves as a class from some other persecuting class.What's the point of science if you just cease to exist?
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No.1390
>>1389Do I really need to explain to you that general knowledge can be applied to individual ends?
Or why it might be useful to have a knowledge-base relatively divorced from individual class affiliation?
What makes you think identification with that class, malcontents or activists has anything to do with my survival, anyway? I see very little reason to think that.
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No.1396
>>1386Actually, it was brought to my attention that while the constitution states that "No off topic discussion is allowed", I never actually defined what is (and isn't) on-topic, meaning that this rule gives me unrestricted power to categorize anything I dislike as "off topic". Let me try to give you a good definition: /32/ is centered on discussion about the specific topics of manipulation, persuasion and deception, and the general topics of communication theory, psychology, cybernetics, semiotics, ethics (applied to other themes), epistemology, aesthetics, neurology, sociology, anthropology, marketing and military science. I suggest you take your time reading into some of the other threads, and feel free to download any of the books in the MEGA file. "Propaganda" by Bernays is especially good as an introductory work.
>>1388>Anyway, you seem to have mistaken us for activists or dispossessed malcontents. Our purposes here are those of science and curiosity, not of saving ourselves as a class from some other persecuting class.This is mostly right. I hope to maintain a generally neutral tone here, without allowing the board to be overtaken by subscribers of a particular ideology. This does not mean that I will forbid mention of an ideological position, it means that discussion about the validity of an ideology is off-topic and disruptive (and likely to descend into something nasty). Here is an example: if you are a hard-core white supremacist with extreme right wing-ideology, I won't stop you from starting a thread where you ask for advice on how to combat the perceived miscegenation of the masses and increase racial pride. In fact, if anyone starts attacking your position, their posts will be deleted. The thing is, if someone wants to discuss how to promote race-mixing and open borders to traditionally conservative demographics, I will also allow it and will delete the posts of anyone who attacks their position.
We are here to discuss means, not ends.Pic related is an example of a thread I deleted because it was decidedly off-topic (§VI art.3). The poster wanted to discuss the validity of his position towards race, instead of an aspect of the matter relating to the board's theme.
Please note that according to §III Art.3 ¶3 users have a duty to maintain "a high level of discussion". This is obviously subjective and open to interpretation, but there are some elements that are characteristic to low-quality posts (being unnecessarily confrontational and aggressive, swearing for no reason, using loaded terms e.g. "kike", "tumblrettes", "redpill"), and some that are present in high-quality posts (well-written in terms of grammar and spelling, unemotional assessment of the statements of others, admitting mistakes, thought-out arguments).
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No.1399
>he people swaying your governments, currencies, academia and general afflictions already control money printing in all the major and secondary world powers. They have no need of "earning" money or getting more money. Stock market crashes are designed to rob everyone else, so is inflation.
isn't that where cryptocurrencies come in
beyond the reach of governments or any one individual if work is generated electronically
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No.1405
>Democracy is a scam. Ballots of the commoners are meaningless and not used to select the next politicians.
>No one is elected by voters voting. Why would those in power leave their hegemony vulnerable to popular caprices?
Do you believe this applies to every election -- city, county, state, and federal? Do you know who has the power to investigate elections anomalies, enforce elections laws? Do you know how they get those positions in the first place?
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No.1410
>>1399Crytpocurrencies? They could allow some black market activities and de-regulation by individual governments on a per-transaction basis, but why would they be particularly significant?
Crytpocurrencies will be used to pay for the same things established currencies are, and are thus be convertible into them. The market share (what share of total global economic activity is done in them and how much of it they can buy) will be very low when young, essentially making buyouts by presently established oligarchical powers very, very easy. These powers keep a very close watch on such things and will likely buy out a large amount of any potentially threatening currency early on, giving control over the amount of currency in its circulation and thus over markets.
Above all, cryptocurrency doesn't provide the benefits of interest-free government money (like Greenbacks, tally sticks, or NS Germany's money) in a non-usurious economy. So it suffers from all the same problems in the maintenance of current wealth structures and suffocation by debt slavery, as well as the ever increasing burden of Usury, that Gold does.
Gold could be used in a fairly de-regulated way before modern times. So cryptos are basically like forced Gold standards, if they gain credence. That's all the control they can ensure. And that is not a kind of control that reduces the power of the rich. That's why Austrianism was created by massive funding from a few Social Darwinist mega-rich.
Banking families have loved Gold standards for a long time. It's what they fervently conspired to get the Greeback system replaced by, to regain control over the American economy. Precious metals are owned by the oligarchical class in the greatest quantity and economies based on them are easily manipulated. Further, the amount of Gold in circulation as estimated by major financial players if far lower than the amount you get from the estimates Gold mines give for how much has been mined total, suggesting the possibility of large hidden stocks of Gold that, in the event of a Gold standard, would make whoever holds them a de facto financial God.
You have to understand that the Austrian-Keynesian dialectic is perhaps THE most important psyop underlying the present political system. Neither system escapes scarcity, usury, or oligarchy. And each at its limit looks radically different enough from the other to be a kind of deep revolutionary alternation far more convincing than the party-political dialectic.
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No.1436
>>1386the boards theme is politics as magic basically.
not the bunny out of the hat magic, more like hypnotism, organizational theory, cattle and sheep dogs.
its bascially about discussing the manufacturing of consent. your OP is talking about why democracy does nothing. this board is about how people make democracy do something due to it doing nothing.
if your not familiar atleast with sigmund freud, Carl Jung maybe even Timothy Leary i suggest you look them up, read prometheus rising to understand how societal structures arise. then look up people like Gustave Le Bon or more US centric Edward Bernays (who you can thank for WW1 propaganda and cigarette popularity)
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No.1766
>>1382
>Democracy is a scam.
Democratic Republics are a scam, because they aren't democracies. Democracy, when established, is not a scam.
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No.1787
The truth has to come to the masses.
They're more susceptible to the truth when they're cold and hungry, while the Jews are warm and fed.
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No.1961
>>1766
democracy is a sham because groups don't act, only people act. democracy isn't "the will of the people", it's the tyranny of (at best) 51% of the people over the rest.
>>1410
>That's why Austrianism was created by massive funding from a few Social Darwinist mega-rich.
"Social Darwinism" was the moral philosophy in vogue during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, just like "social justice" is now. Nationalism technocratic socialism, early libertarianism were all dressed up under the veneer of Charles's Darwin's theories in an attempt to seem Modern and Progressive, just as nowadays those same ideologies are dressed up in a coating of "global justice" and "social equality". Most of the Austrian's school's ideas (Whether you agree with them or not. I'm saying this as someone sympathetic to the labor theory of value, for fuck's sake.) really originated with Frederic Bastiat, and weren't just cooked up by muh jewish freemason reptilian elite.
Usury preexists the modern financial establishment. Look up the social norms about loans in medieval/renaissance southern England and royalist Virginia, Albion's Seed discusses it, which is a book everyone here should read for the reason's outlined here: https://popehat.com/2014/10/10/strange-seeds-on-distant-shores/.
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No.1965
Secret groups who control money printing? You just lost 99% of your audience. But the good news is, you don't have to bring up any conspiracies to prove democracy is flawed.
http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/21/anatomy-of-the-deep-state/
We have this idea that Congress (or the House of Commons, or whatever equivalent group of elected officials exists in your country) runs the government. Absolutely laughable. Government, the gigantic bureaucratic edifice with literally millions of workers, controlled by a few hundred officials? From an organizational point of view it's simply not possible. The machinery of government was created by generations of elected officials, sure, but once established it operates independently. The entire thing is far too large and complex for more than a tiny fraction of it to be studied by politicians at any one time.
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No.1966
>>1965
It's more useful to talk about deep states then "the deep state". The State Department and the Pentagon, for instance, don't have the same goals in mind.
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No.1974
>>1966
Both are full of Luciferians though.
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No.1984
>>1965
This is why most folks on /pol/ talk about the jewish problem. Although not completely jewish the subversive agendas thrive in the dark corners of bureaucracy.
It's a lot easier to make many small changes with no oversight subtly shifting cultural and economic prospective than it is to make wide and sweeping changes that will naturally be the next step of any concerted wide scale effort anyways. That way the veneer of popular support covers the behind the scenes conniving.
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No.1994
>>1974
which is why no country can exist
>>>/pol/2857556
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No.1996
A large part of the election spam is due to efforts by PR companies and troll-autists. Accelerationists also like Trump.
The fact that the entire system is rigged from the ballot box upwards is meaningless to these people. The show must go on until it can't.
Next month will be interesting.
The best, simplest way to truly enlighten someone is unmasking the magic trick of the Federal Reserve. Money created with interest that can only be paid with more loans.
The rigged game:
I am the only entity that can create dollars. Nobody else can create dollars. I create 100 dollars. I lend you 100 dollars. I ask for 110 dollars back in one year. Where do the 10 dollars come from?
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No.2063
>>1996
Can i put my unborn child up as collateral? I swear hes good for it! What's my credit score now?!
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No.2454
>>1996
Everything about our society is fake and corrupt. And the masses love it!
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No.2544
>Why would those in power leave their hegemony vulnerable to popular caprices?
>https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/begging-the-question
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No.2593
>>2544
Bravo. The rest of us should learn from this person and check our logic before we GENERALIZE (not that we're giving into our emotions and suddenly concluding aesthetic identities based on some informally, subjectively defined attribute gained via inference a la:
>>1388
>Anyway, you seem to have mistaken us for activists or dispossessed malcontents.
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No.2622
>>1382
I've been following this thread for awhile and I'm under the impression that you actually think the current political/power apparatus is competent of such major disinformation and manipulation of such large groups of people. No doubt there are currently and have been massive distraction methods used, to a varying degree of success, in an effort to persuade and or de-saude populaces all over different countries. Being that I was and am privy to a certain degree of discourse in the privacy of few men, of what many would deem 'men of means' and capable of such manipulation, I have found that the primary motive is in fact greed. Not just greed for money, but also control.
This all being said, it is still a matter of fact that these 'manipulators' are still in fact human, and subject to human instinct and therefore error. And they do in fact make error's galore.
With that, this arises the natural gaps in the power structure, where the will of the people can emerge.
However it's not so much the will of the people that I believe in, it's the will of the people that agree with me and my core values. And there in lies the dilemma no? Even if the vast majority of /pol/ or even /32/ got what it desired, say outcomes in 'elections' or certain reforms taking place, or liberties being restored etc., it would still be subjective and in the eye of the beholder so to speak.
While many would agree here that autonomy is a moral virtue and right (the right to be left alone), many would also say they feel comfort in 'big brother' etc. so this concept of 'free them' is what believe just another illusion in the apparatus. We are already free. They are free. There is no 'free them' to tale action on.
>Don't get bogged down in discussions about who is voting for whom or the personal celebrity gossips about politicians.
This could be and is someones idea of freedom, what right do you have to impede on that? What if that person or persons is blissfully happy, no matter how ignorant you deem them to be?
>You want changes in the community? Talk and organize with your neighbors.
Right.... but we all know it won't end with 'talk' so...
>Free men shed blood to throw off the shackles, the strong thrive.
We differ on our definitions of strong. Is strength not educating a primitive, inbred and mentally handicapped desert population to seize on only the most brutal natural instincts in the name of a 'god', to instill a way of living order over themselves, and everyone else of which knows no bounds and is in fact still spreading more than ever 1400 years later?
This is clearly strength since it can dominate you and your livelihood? And this applies to all if not most religions, which is at the core of swaying people throughout history anyway.
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No.2627
>>2622
>With that, this arises the natural gaps in the power structure, where the will of the people can emerge.
What gaps? You mean like little pub hall meetings and stuff?
>While many would agree here that autonomy is a moral virtue and right (the right to be left alone), many would also say they feel comfort in 'big brother' etc. so this concept of 'free them' is what believe just another illusion in the apparatus. We are already free. They are free. There is no 'free them' to tale action on.
What? Everything is subjective? 'Some people want autonomy and some don't' -- what point are you making? The majority of people never really consider what's true and what's not, and consequently they are led off cliffs in great herds by people who pretend to espouse the truth; which is their truth. Is that freedom?
>Don't get bogged down in discussions about who is voting for whom or the personal celebrity gossips about politicians.
>This could be and is someones idea of freedom, what right do you have to impede on that? What if that person or persons is blissfully happy, no matter how ignorant you deem them to be?
Freedom has become a mere buzz word then. I am interested in human happiness, and believe it attainable through one course. You might consider it possible to be blissfully happy through heroin, orgasm and ignorance, but that is at odds with the underlying reality that the debased person tries to escape from. Blissful happiness does not come to those lost in pet delusions and smoke and mirrors, distracted with gadgets and masturbatory or gory fantasies -- with the yoke of thought policing to ensure the state of conformity that makes that stuff possible. That is a state of fear and fear at life, dreaming the alienated world to be evil. It is also a denial of peoples higher natures.
>We differ on our definitions of strong. Is strength not educating a primitive, inbred and mentally handicapped desert population to seize on only the most brutal natural instincts in the name of a 'god', to instill a way of living order over themselves, and everyone else of which knows no bounds and is in fact still spreading more than ever 1400 years later?
This is clearly strength since it can dominate you and your livelihood? And this applies to all if not most religions, which is at the core of swaying people throughout history anyway.
Is it strength to perpetuate 1400 years of handed down deceits, or is it strength to throw off the entire accumulation in a few shrugs?
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No.2630
>>2627
>What gaps? You mean like little pub hall meetings and stuff?
'Stuff'? In the most primitive of terms then yes, revolutions can start anywhere these gaps arise,pubs, internet image boards, etc. The will of the people is again a subjective term that takes into account a great amount of assumptions, more often than not it's been my experience that the 'people' can have their will manipulated, and that manipulation can actually in some rare instances be great, when the people forging the will of the people is grounded in altruism, morality and trust. Taking into consideration and having the respect for man to live out his natural life trajectory, and be left alone to make it his will, with the least amount of outside influence forced upon him, consciously or subconsciously, as possible.
>Is that freedom?
Freedom is relative to an individuals definition of freedom. Freedom is more or less a state of mind.
>peoples higher natures.
Thanks I needed a laugh. Higher nature to build parking lots? Consume mindless drivel, buy tickle me elmos, neglect nature and children? Find comfort in sharing opinions via plastic and metal to people who you will never meet via the internet? Higher nature, another relative term, is in the eye of the beholder. I might think a great classical composer appeals to a humans ability to engage in this abstract 'higher nature' you speak of. And yet I might also think that this higher nature is only possessed by a person who can manipulate those around them to do their bidding, without their knowledge but full consent. Maybe a classical composer is just manipulating the mind on a higher nature' who knows.
We get the world we deserve. Can there be a higher nature without a lower nature? Does most of nature gravitate towards the higher part or the lower part? Abstract and irrelevant. Not even the truth matters to most, I could agree, however the truth must matter to those that have power and can be counted on to manipulate the masses into believing self governance on the individual, state and federal level is of the utmost importance. If of course, that is your will anyway....
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No.2631
>>1382
>The people swaying your governments, currencies, academia and general afflictions already control money printing in all the major and secondary world powers. They have no need of "earning" money or getting more money.
It fucking derailed right there
There are no world cabals, which doesn't mean some people and groups don't have incredible levels of control and influence, but again its not an all-encompassing cabal
The reason why some countries get to print money without triggering hyperinflation and others don't is that some countries pay their debts on time and thus can make more debt (bonds) because they are AAA ranked meaning its certain those bonds will be paid
The countries that can't print money like that are usually countries with a history of debt defaults and corrupt fucks who steal money from foreign loans to build themselves a mansion in some tax heaven, so they can't make more debt in the form of bonds because they have defaulted in so many times before that said bonds are rated as 'junk' because its very likely they will default again
A country without money or the means to obtain money can't print money, and if they do they are just liquefying their existing funds
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No.3703
These are nice thoughts, but chances are one could never be more persuasive as the television and the reality it builds around it.
Seems that we are subject to the mass-perception panopticon which trains the 1984 style politically correct police.
Personally I don't think one can guarantee a loyal family, let alone community, in this cultural climate without being near totalitarian.
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No.3724
>>2454
this is the most fucked incomprehensive flowchart i have ever seen
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