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 No.586 [Open thread]

We've got a solid outline of what's really going on in the world, but I want to know what can we do to resist or counter the tactics being used on us.

So far, I think cutting out TV completely is the first step (check the videos on the MEGA folder in the sticky to see why). News programming as well- they've been abusing predictive programming lately. I'm not sure what news sites are free of unjust influence.

I would also go as far as saying mainstream music, but I wouldn't know where it ends (e.g. Do we cut out the popular mainstream artists only, or all artists under a single record label? Who is free of an agenda?)

As for videogames, given the whole gamergate situation exposing how social justice concepts are being favoured, and pic related being a possible outcome, gaming should be cautioned. By the way, is there any way to verify that pic related is the method being used to control? Could it not be used in areas besides gaming, and who could be behind it?

But despite this, where else do we cut out on things, and resist? Advertising is fairly impossible to avoid. How do we know when we are free of undue influence? As the behaviour economics anon posted in the other thread, the advertisement he designed caught people's attention in a unique way- using tactics we're not really accustomed to. So we need to be able to detect these things. Besides that, how do we fight back? It seems to me that it's fairly impossible to do so. At the end of the day, even if we ignore advertising and television, we still need to buy certain things, and we often go for brands we know and trust. Beyond this, talking about this to other people could yield problems because of the stereotypes being pushed that we're crazy tinfoilers . People need to be able to see for themselves without holding to biases pushed on to them.
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 No.611

>But despite this, where else do we cut out on things, and resist?

You resist by reasearching and developing skills on your own. If you're already not watching tv or listeining to trendy pop too often I thik that's enough to keep you independent.

>How do we know when we are free of undue influence?

You know you're free when you feel a genuine gutural disgust towards propaganda, consumerism and other negative aspects of our culture because you know deep in your heart it's dehumanizing.

>Besides that, how do we fight back?

Find some form of expression and spread your ideals trough it. Writing, drawing... Those are the choices for the average introvert I'd think. If you were extrovert you could make your own podcast, become a youtuber, participate in politics or join/start groups.

I think you're seeing just how contaminated our culture is, which is a great, but personally I do believe there is such a thing as breaking free from its influence and worrying too much about stuff can be self defeating becasue you'd be undermining your own capacity of independent thought.
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 No.612

>>586
Re: your attached image, the first few lines are a red flag for me. Look up "Rick Doty" and watch the film "Mirage Men." If this is the disinfo board and the Feds are interested in 8chan, it seems like they would want to have a bit of fun here eh?
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 No.615

>>586
>but I want to know what can we do to resist or counter the tactics being used on us.

storm their buildings, hang them.

your not going to get anywhere by playing by their rules. if they gave a shit about their own rules we wouldn't even be having this conversation
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 No.617

>We've got a solid outline of what's really going on in the world, but I want to know what can we do to resist or counter the tactics being used on us.
>So far, I think cutting out TV completely is the first step
How can anyone have a good sense of the world if they're still watching TV? This is all backwards. You want to act based on what you think you know now? Isn't that how Solid Snake keeps getting himself into trouble? "It was my master plan all along, and you fell right into it! Ahahahaha!"

>>597
>>598
Yeah, this.

>>611
>You know you're free when you feel a genuine gutural disgust towards propaganda, consumerism and other negative aspects of our culture because you know deep in your heart it's dehumanizing.
This, on the flip-side, strikes me as misguided. Direct opposition fails. You will just build up resentment and anger over time, since you won't be able to do anything about it existing in your environment. I don't know. Maybe I'm way off.

I find it interesting that the image in OP mentions techniques that remind me of alchemy, of dividing and then uniting. I always hear about how groups in society inherently divide over time, but never how they unite.

I have a theory that we absorb all information we're exposed to in one way or another, though fear of exposure is a bit extreme. I really need a proper education in memetics.
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 No.777

>>598
>a person who took your advice would be overwhelmed by temptation and stimuli once coming back in contact with society.

Not the one you're replying to, but I did drop out of society for a quarter year. When I returned to civilization I was repulsed by most of what it had to offer me, and the obviousness of the fakery and diversion/manipulation tactics "redpilled" me on the media years before that term existed... they simply never talked about anything that was actually important except to gloss over it and deflect attention from it.

That is to say, I returned changed, as all things inevitably do given enough time. Just because one returns to the old environment doesn't mean one will fill the same roles.

That said, I wouldn't really recommend sequestration. Mine was involuntary. I got stranded and had to survive until winter receded and I could walk out of my predicament.

Awareness is the key. It's annoying sometimes to always be picking out the propaganda in media, but I consider it intelligence gathering. It's important to know what messaging the powers that be are utilizing.

Once you've had enough PSIOP education you'll be mostly immune to the techniques employed on the ignorant masses, so exposure becomes more entertaining, "Ha! Look at them all reporting on the obviously fake story the same exact way, a shame the Common person doesn't fact check anything."

When it comes to music, yeah, all but old "classic" music is propagandized. Sure, music of a generation/age is typically indicative of the common emotions present, but selection and filtering of those disparate themes into a desired selection that provides the desired emotional evocation can be used as PSIOP, esp. synchronized to desired times via radio. Popular music in different genres is usually selected to foster reinforcing of different political agendas therein too.

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 No.519 [Open thread]

Hi 32.

For the past few years I have worked within government on a program to control the public's behaviour through behavioural economic techniques for altering non-rational human behaviour.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_economics

I have had teenagers in labs for the past two years trying to figure out how to get them to voluntarily install our tracking app. In the end they liked the messaging I came up with, and the app has been downloaded millions of times with rave reviews.

In essence I found that in teenagers it came down to two things:

1. social norms. If you convince them that everyone else is doing it, then they are much more likely to want to partake. This works both because people want to fit in, and because widespread use is seen as a tacit recommendation.

2. opportunity cost. If you demonstrate how much they stand to lose by not downloading it, they will download it more. This technique turns their attention from the risk of downloading it, to the risk of not downloading it.

These two techniques were then wrapped up in messaging which didn't appear to be directed at them, but was instead a passive conversation in their environment. We put posters up all over universities which were a conversation between two students that went roughly like
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 No.571

>>570
I am gonna respond to his post and see what his answer (if any) is.
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 No.572

>>571
>Since you are a first time poster, your comment will be queued for approval. Expect to see it appear in the next 24 hours. When your first comment is approved, you will be able to post comments going forward immediately. Please adhere to Gamasutra.
lel it is amazing how moderated comment sections (on politically correct sites) are. I will laugh if they don't approve it. The comment:
>It is also suggested that your response is a subtle way to derail the discussion from the important matters and paint the whole article as a conspiracy.
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 No.733

>>570
>My question is: When people watch/read any source or material that challenges their beliefs, why the automatic response is to label the whole thing as a conspiracy or some made up crazy shit by a lunatic?

Just a theory based on various bits of information about neurology:

First of all, as it's your brains highest goal to survive, the limbic brain areal will nearly always make you feel discomfort whenever something is about to change your status quo (which allowed you to survive perfectly fine up to this point), making it also a challenge to induce even good changes within a persons belief-system.

Plus, there is also the concept of consistency. If a person is committed to his believes, even more so if he committed to them in public, he or she is much more unlikely to change them, even in the face of new information. Someone recommended Cialdini in this thread, I think he wrote something on this subject in his book, good read.

Plus, changing your inner network is not fun at all, it's hard work. As far as I know and assuming my information is correct, it takes about 1,5 calories to think a new thought, or integrate it into your neurological web so to say. It takes only 0,1 to think or 'travel through' an already built synapse.

So I my guess (note the word guess) is that the feeling of discomfort, inner need for consistency and hardship of an inner change combine to build the barrier which is so hard to overcome for most people.

That's why we have people like OP, to build the stairs and give us a smooth nudge I guess.

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 No.734

>>733
(I'm sorry for the grammatical errors here and there, I'm not from an English speaking country.)
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 No.769

In my highschool entrepreneurship class we learned about repetition (redundantly repeating), appeals to the majority (a million customers can't be wrong, all your friends do this, you should too), empty appeals to reason (#1 thinking now with 25% more reasoning -- more than what, top of what list?), and a slew of other tactics that folks simply now use more subtly and disect more thouroughly.

For instance, repeat a verse in a jingle or slogan or commentary a few times then incompletely repeat it to get subjects to reinforce the message by completing it themselves in their heads (used a lot in pop/alternative music); Or using sock puppets to get people to think their peers really are using some product.

Social engineering has been around for a very long time. Not saying this is nothing new, just that Op could save a lot out research time by reading a single chapter of my highschool business 101 course.
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 No.159 [Open thread]

We are creators with the ability to create.
We have the capability - through technology - to communicate ideas at the speed of light. Furthermore we can manipulate matter at a grander scale than is possible as an individual being.
Yet we, as the human race; are lost. We have powerful tools in our hands, at our fingertips - but not the desire or drive to use them.

More and more, we are awakening to our power. We are pulling back the curtains and peeling back the layers. My question to you my dear /32/ is as thus:

Whither?
To what end?
Where do we go and what do we do next?
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 No.160

One step at a time bro, right now we have alot on our hands with these attempts to lock down the internet via propoganda and controlling information. Once we break through these steps things will become more clear
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 No.755

I resent being created
Why would I want to create something else that might grow to feel that same resentment?
I think the point is that there is no end and eventually we'll get tired and peter out like everything else once we've had our fun/lack thereof.
Question is how we get to this resolution.
All of this is assuming there isn't come kind of superexistence that is somehow inherently rewarding and follows much different rules than this one we're a part of now with its nauseating parceled out infinity.
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 No.625 [Open thread]

http://8chan.co/gamergate/res/131212.html
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 No.650

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 No.651

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Dumping some info for /32/ thinktank.

Kyle Orland founded Gamejournopros private mailing list, his father is Martin Orland. Martin Orland is an education bureaucrat who has worked in both the public and private sectors.

Martin Orland speaking on CSPAN
http://www.c-span.org/person/?martinorland

WestEd staff bio
http://www.peeep.us/7ad87314
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 No.652

Guys. We need more information on the founders of the game journo pro list. It seems there was a precursor list called "international game journalists association" which has been removed from the internet mostly. Please look into who was involved. Orland Jr wrote a video game journalism writing guide with a guy named Scott Steinberg. Who is Steinberg? He has testimonials by Richard Branson on his website. We need to know more.

List of GJP members (check for ed tech connections)
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/09/21/gamejournopros-we-reveal-every-journalist-on-the-list/

The founder of the IGJA, which Scott was a member of, (David Thomas) is the admin of http://buzzcut.com/

But more interesting is his bio on
http://bhimpact.gamespress.com/release.asp?i=137

after the 2007 review of the IGJA's book " The Videogame Style Guide and Reference Manual"

"David Thomas is a 20-year newspaper veteran and educator specializing in arts and technology criticism. For the past decade, he’s covered games for The Denver Post. The founder of the IGJA, his gaming column is syndicated through King Features. He also teaches the history of digital media, critical videogame theory and other gaming/media-related classes for the University of Colorado."

>For the past decade, he’s covered games for The Denver Post.
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 No.653

Scott Steinberg worked on

http://www.gamestyleguide.com/VideoGameStyleGuideeBook.pdf

under the IGJA, which has this in his about section (pic related).

http://www.sellmorevideogames.com/

is a site where he sold his book "Videogame Marketing and PR", and the entire text is now viewable for free.

http://www.thevideogameexpert.com/ has a biography on him right on the page
http://www.celebrityspokespersons.com/ is a similar website, as is http://www.mediaspokesperson.com/ and http://www.businessspokesperson.com/ and http://www.corporatespokespersons.com/ and http://www.toptechexpert.com/

All of the *spokespersons sites are all the same fucking website.

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 No.662

Glad to see this is penetrating deeper than /gamergate./ This is very unsettling.
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 No.277 [Open thread]

This documentary is a very interesting look at the nature of American espionage in the 60's.

I believe it is relevant to our discussions.
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 No.419

I didn't really get what this was when I first started watching it. Thought it was something put together from clips more recently.

Bad actors in contrived interviews is nothing new. They can look silly going back some years later but we still get the same shit
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 No.445

>>416
Whenever I visit /loli/ everything goes to Spanish or German
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 No.633

>>418
>Snowden

He always gave me a weird feeling and I still don't know why.
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 No.645

>>633
In some of his videos his glasses are missing one of the pads. The videos are ages apart. I don't know if that means the videos were filmed at the same time, which would imply this story has gone by the script 100%. Or maybe it's a sign he's making the speeches under duress. Or it could just be a joke if he's a CG or pure actor creation.

Anyways, he informed us we are in the panopticon so the effect was to get the public to start acting like they are being watched
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 No.646

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>>633
Also, it seemed to fly over most people's heads, but Snowden is the name of a character in the novel 'Catch-22' which is often required reading in US middle/high school. The book almost centers on the significance of Snowden who quite literally spills his guts which teaches a secret to the main character Yossarian. Also the first scene in Catch-22 has Yossarian reading and censoring letters (it's set in WW2).

The book is so famous that I'm kinda disappointed that more people didn't notice. Although a lot of news articles from WaPo etc wrote about the "Catch-22" of trying to regulate secret programs...

If you find that interesting go read some of the things online about the significance on Snowden in the novel Catch-22
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 No.469 [Open thread]

This thread was deleted from /pol/.
Ask yourself why.
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 No.591

>>556
>It has more in common with Hayak and Keynes than Marx.

What exactly do Hayek and Keynes have in common? I'll admit I've only read Hayek but they don't seem to agree on anything. Are you saying their adversarial debating was just for show?
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 No.592

There's a weird thing where the Jew is made really obvious but then you aren't allowed to talk about it in the MSM

Some places on the internet are different and almost the opposite.

Personally I think it gets hard to ignore the frequency of the surnames but I think they are almost like a scapegoat. I don;t think you can ignore the other ethnicities that allowed them to come to power or work with them (general urban elite)

If they were exterminated/removed (realisticly so unlikely, people are just not down for it) there would be other groups lining and fighting to be the "new jew"

It's a privileged role
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 No.620

/pollack/ here.. I made a thread about MK ultra the other day and it got a ton of hits and didn't get deleted. The problem is your thread was lame and didn't offer any positive information about MK.
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 No.621

>>620
>didn't offer any positive information about MK.

Well, yeah. It wasn't meant to be a thread about MK Ultra. It was about questioning power structures.
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 No.640

>>591
One of the key techniques in controlling public discourse is to frame the debate. for the past eight decades, almost all western economic debate has existed in the thin space between Hayek and Keynes.

Their disagreement is not that there should be markets, or that governments should oversee markets, merely a disagree about the extent and techniques of government involvement. Keynes takes the approach that economic policy leversm such as interest rate adjustments and government debtm can alter society in predictable mechanical manner. Hayek takes the view that markets are more organic, and those policy levers will fail, resulting in long term boom and bust cycles beyond the control of governments. In essence, it is a discussion about the level of state authoritarian control their should be over markets. In a way it is the foundation for the petty disagreements between neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism.

Those are the ideologies we find ourselves at the mercy of, not the products of Marx or Engels.
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 No.388 [Open thread]

So, just got sent here from a thread over on /pol/, and it looks like I'm in way over my head. Anything you guys would recommend reading/watching as sort of a primer on the subject?
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 No.510

>>465
I thought it had something to do with [REDACTED]
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 No.511

>>464
>[REDACTED]
I really like this concept. This board looks promising.
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 No.518

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>>415
Not just MKUltra, our governments are controlled by the deep state, everything from schools to news to textbooks, all reporting to people we aren't allowed to know about. The majority of history is carefully curated, and huge swathes of it are classified. There is simply no telling how much of our reality is falsified.
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 No.638

>>467
I wonder how many things are left explained with that filter.
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 No.639

>>464
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 No.567 [Open thread]

I haven't seen this in the catalog yet. So I'll be leaving this here.

If you live in the USA. Domestic Spying is becoming 100% legal, there's a re-vote, but it's an up hill battle and this just slipped through the system.

Reading materials:
http://thehill.com/policy/technology/226752-gop-rep-attempted-late-bid-to-kill-spy-bill

https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/4681


Your objectives:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2014/roll271.xml

/pol/ thread:

http://8chan.co/pol/res/532001.html#532001
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 No.172 [Open thread]

I think we need to conduct some sort of strike against our enemies. For those of you familiar with the Doolittle raid following pearl harbor you know that the physical effects were minimal. However the psychological effects were profound. I recommend that we try something similar, a small scale attack against a visible target. Just enough to demonstrate to the enemy that we are not defeated, and to inspire hope in the larger community. Of course whatever we do we cannot reveal the true source of the attack.

I'm thinking we could either spam the Twitter feed of a censorship advocate, or we could try a less conventional approach. We could attempt to put into play some of our psychopolitical techniques and try to convince a large group to carry out an attack for us on a larger target. FCC maybe?

So what do you guys think? Good idea? Bad idea? Good idea but bad targets?
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 No.203

>>202
This isn't a priority, but down the road after we've softened them up a bit, can we some how convince them that it *might* not be a bad thing to oppose white-genocide?

Obviously this is not a topic that should be brought up right away, but down the road could this be a possibility? If not, it's fine.

The main example I've used (which actually worked on my sociology professor) is to say "Well, what if a bunch of whites moved into the Amazon and took over an Indian's village?" Obviously, SJW's don't like the thought of whites ethnically/culturally cleansing/displacing other races, so it might open their eyes to how it's not good the other way around either.
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 No.204

>>203
Meh, this is what I'm saying about establishing guidelines to remain within a certain scope. This board was made with the idea of securing free speech and anonymity on the internet, nothing else.
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 No.205

>>204
Got it. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
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 No.288

>>195

How about we stage a false flag, get someone to pose as a tranny, someone to pose as a feminist, and we have a flame war publically on tumblr and promote it widely using shell accounts and linking the feud to feminist and tranny groups with argument baiting comments.
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 No.505

Your targets should be PR firms like Burston-Marsteller who make their money from altering public perception and discourse
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 No.221 [Open thread]

https://8chan.co/pol/res/77892.html

here is a post on /pol/ right now that I think would be of particular interest to us given our specific focus on this board.

This anon is attempting to put together a pamphlet for irl distribution and I personally think it is an excellent idea. If anyone has any ideas to help him out please share. If the pamphlet can be formulated in such a way that the average person will read it then it could do wonders to further our agenda
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 No.230

>>228
I think your point about his topics being to broad for simple pamphlets is spot on. In some of his posts he did seem to suggest doing pamphlets in addition to larger publications.

I think instead of doing pamphlets he should do 1 page fliers that hint and tease at certain ideas while posing them in the enemies own style. These fliers should focus more on imagery and symbolism, while giving references to more in depth material or proxy sites. He could also reference to the larger materials he is planning on writing. As for those materials I also like your idea of publishing them in a series of steadily more "radical" ideas so as not to be rejected immediately.

Has anyone here actually conveyed any of these ideas to this anon?
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 No.233

>>230
Feel free to, but honestly he might figure it out on his own too.

I think really we should focus on exactly what we're trying to say, so we don't get too wrapped up in the business of other boards.
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 No.300

doesnt work for me

(the link)
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 No.303

>>300
The thread already 404d.
It was an anon proposing that they write a pamphlet or similar media for distribution for "redpilling" people.
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 No.3333

I'm taking this one for safekeeping.

I should've got >>3303 too. It should've been put here. It's just not fair.

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