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 No.655 [Open Thread]

Thinking in broad, historical terms:

How did MTV change the way that media is consumed? Did it change the standards of popular culture?

Did MTV define modern youth?

Did the internet amplify these changes?

Is virtual reality going to be another media breakthrough that changes our cultural relationship with media consumption?
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 No.661

>>657
Interesting position. Found this

The series Nummer 28, which aired on Dutch television in 1991, originated the concept of putting strangers together in the same environment for an extended period of time and recording the drama that ensued. Nummer 28 also pioneered many of the stylistic conventions that have since become standard in reality television shows, including a heavy use of soundtrack music and the interspersing of events on screen with after-the-fact "confessionals" recorded by cast members, that serve as narration. One year later, the same concept was used by MTV in its new series The Real World. Nummer 28 creator Erik Latour has long claimed that The Real World was directly inspired by his show;[15] however, the producers of The Real World have stated that their direct inspiration was An American Family.[16]

According to television commentator Charlie Brooker, this type of reality television was enabled by the advent of computer-based non-linear editing systems for video (such as produced by Avid Technology) in 1989. These systems made it easy to quickly edit hours of video footage into a usable form, something that had been very difficult to do before (film, which was easy to edit, was too expensive to shoot enough hours of footage with on a regular basis).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_television
actually a very interesting Wikipedia article
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 No.1348

So this was ghost bumped for some reason?
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 No.1349

>>1348
I needed to rearrange some things and this thread got accidentally bumped to the top. Remember: on this board all threads are considered active until they 404.

Feel free to ignore it, anyway.
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 No.1367

>>655
Look at the subliminal messages in most pop songs played in clubs. I don't think it is politically motivated but it is interesting to see how it promotes impulsive and disinhibitive desires.
>drink more
>fuck more
>spend more
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 No.1370

While most networks, both news and entertainment, have tried to create an appearance of neutrality, MTV has always openly supported the progressive agenda: liberation of drugs, normalization of homosexuality, etc. Seems clear to me that this openness is related to the age group it targets (late teens, young adults), but the question is: do they openly support these topics only because they want to attract viewers, or are they actually trying to further the agenda, but the naïvete and receptiveness of the TA makes it unnecessary to hide their intentions (as with most networks)?

As for the former military man at the head of the company, well... the way I see it there are three kinds of veterans: the ones that realize what their role was (and justly dislike the military and the government in general), the ones that don't realize it (and hold a negative, neutral or sometimes positive view of the system), and the ones who realize it but embrace it. These last ones held high ranks and maintain their loyalty to the true cause. I simply don't fully trust former military men at the head of anything except for anti-government militias, especially when it somes to communications.
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 No.1297 [Open Thread]

Some posts in this thread

>>>/liberty/983

got me thinking about the deliberate and covert creation of subcultures or belief systems for control. I think there is more to this topic. What are your opinions?

(Apologies if this is not a good thread idea.)

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 No.1301

>>1298
Here's an archive of the thread.
https://archive.today/tKUbq

Basically OP asked if anyone is a follower of Eris. Someone asked what Eris is and got some different answers, one said it was a cult, one said it was discordianism, one said that everyone is a pope in this religion, one said it was diluted occultism and nihilism. A few people pointed out that it seems paradoxical to follow a religion with no rules. Then they started talking about the origins of this religion and that's when the thread got really interesting.
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 No.1302

No doubt subcultures can be used to the advantage of certain groups, but I would wager that their creation is mostly organic (i.e. spontaneous).

Although if I was creating a group with the intent of gathering individuals to be manipulated, it seems like the best course of action is to start as a vague and "casual" (as in, apolitical, non-ideological) group, attracting the largest possible pool of candidates for extremification. Then, I would slowly insert my ideology, simultaneously converting the members and testing them for the required psychological vulnerabilities that are convenient to my goals (e.g. need for belonging, desire to change the world, submission to leading figures). After that it would be a matter of tweaking with the traditional cult tactics of brainwashing at whatever concentration it suited me.
Now that I think about it, this approach would best suit those who do not have the necessary resources to directly start a cult, say individuals with no governmental or commercial support; and those who don't get direct access to the followers, such as recruiting through the internet.

I don't think that discordianism is one of those cases. It's been around for too long without anything happening to it. There are more efficient ways to create nihilists and chaos worshipers in the general population than something that sounds like a cult. At the end of the day, it's nothing more than harmless fun.
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 No.1305

There are other midcentury subcultures perhaps more appropriate for analysis in this thread. One that springs to mind are the hippies.

Though Discordianism's supposed link to yippies does mean that it is perhaps a candidate for inclusion under the header of a controlled subculture.
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 No.1316

One that immedately sprang to mind as an inclusive subculture born out of a response of commercialization and free from co-opted control are juggalos. The subculture came into existence in the mtv era of the 90s as grunge came into the forefront of white subculture representing lower/middleclass values. ICP sought to create a musical style and subculture that could truly never become accepted in the mainstream. Acts of violence and occult imagery are grotesquely discussed in their music, and clown paint is used to destroy any serious visual aesthetic. They are the only musically based subculture I can think of which singlehandedly fuels the sale of an obscure soda and whose movement has been described as a gang by the FBI. Complete respect for ICP for exploring new musical inclusive spaces that have remained free of commercialization and cooption by other cultural groups
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 No.1324

I have heard that The Beatles and a lot of the acts popular at the same time were created by the Tavistock Institute. It is hard to get much info on Tavistock though. Jim Morisson's dad was a naval intel officer or somesuch.
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 No.1113 [Open Thread]

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 No.1269

Very interesting article.

We often fail at comprehending cultural events because we analyze them from a logical perspective, especially those related to religion. On the case of suicide bombings, we make the opposite mistake, we assume they happen because the individuals live in a culture that is naturally propense to make use of such tactics. The truth is quite simpler, in order to make a smart bomb you just use the formula: bomb+smarts=smart bomb. It is a purely logical decision, even though there is a cultural and psychological aspect to the process and to the conflict itself.

Another quite logical aspect are the technological constraints under which these groups operate. Over the past century, human beings have been slowly replaced by machines in nearly every area including, of course, the military. Thus, it is not only understandable but evident that groups with restricted access to technology and logistics structures in general would use human beings to solve problems that modern military forces use technology to solve. In the far regions of the middle east (which is where these particular groups operate), plows are pulled with horses, bricks are made by hand and money is transferred physically from one individual to another. In such an environment, what choice do they have for making precision-guided munitions other than strap a guide to the munition?

Naturally, there is the matter of the psychological impact of suicide missions in general, which is probably more relevant to the board than the other part of the discussion; but this is only a secondary effect, one that was discovered after suicide bombings were already in place. It served to strengthen their resolve in the use of such tactics, not to sell them the idea.
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 No.1207 [Open Thread]

Psychopolitical concepts ITT. Any thoughts on the matter? Is Gamergate more important than we realize?

http://8ch.net/gamergatehq/res/9240.html
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 No.1215

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>>1213
Certainly data collection/analytics/predictive tech is a concern. There is also the increasing use of games in the classroom replacing teacher-based lessons. What does this mean for how students are taught?
>pic related

Engaging in simulations changes the way we conceive of ourselves and the world. For children, I would assume even more so. This is quite interesting, as is original material about the concept of the magic circle:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Circle_%28virtual_worlds%29#The_Magic_Circle_applied_to_digital_media

So much money and research is going towards influencing attitudes through the use of new media (video games) that I worry about who gets to control the medium. If you look over the thread in the OP there are lots of high powered groups involved.

We are currently undergoing a shift in meaning... Consider the trajectory of media over the last 100 years. The simulacra are becoming increasingly pervasive.

Going back to the magic circle idea, games create a set of arbitrary needs and rules that become centerstage for the player. They give the player a false sense of agency and action. They are very, very powerful.
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 No.1216

If you or anyone you know have ever been addicted to an MMO, imagine if the structure which makes them so alluring was used in early childhood education to instil values or pattern behaviour. We all like to consider ourselves immune from such control but on a population level, with millions of dollars of research in place, there is the chance for measurable influence. Considering that some people have the power and money to enact such changes, what is to stop them from doing this sort of thing under the guise of progressiveness and positive technological adaptation? Could it be happening right now, anons? Just some food for thought.
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 No.1217

>>1215
One of the authors of the book that used the magic circle to describe new media actually runs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Play
and a model school which uses games for learning.
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 No.1219

>>1216

But I always think I am a bad person in a MMO and just lying to everybody else...
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 No.1242

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>>1215
I see this as the next evolution of consent-manufacturing technology. In the past it was via the mass media, now it is via social media and bubbling and related techniques, in the future it will be via specialized games that interactively lead you to conclusions while convincing you that your own agency lead you there.
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 No.424 [Open Thread]

AKA how to use the psychology behind religion (or any non-normie method) to build a harem full of devote acolytes?
Help me out here
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 No.1102

>>1101
I heard the 3 generations line from some Russian propaganda expert.

Jones was a Jesuit, probably the masters of mind control today. At the fourth vow if they are ordered to martyr themselves for the black pope they probably will. I heard that fiasco was used to drive Americans back to the mother church, make them think twice about joining fringe cults which is interdasting considering the thread topic.
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 No.1103

>>1102
He wasn't a jesuit, he wasn't even a catholic. His church had the whole "standing, dancing and singing" business, he began as a student pastor at a methodist church and he aligned with pentecostal groups.

If the People's Temple was a greater conspiracy than just a megalomaniac's fulfillment of absolute control over others (which I believe it wasn't), it would have been either an experiment or a message/threat from one part of the deep state to another.
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 No.1154

Make it fun. Cults are made up of fools and are led by even bigger fools.
But people in a cult will not care about that as long as their bellies are full and its fun to be in it.
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 No.1174

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>>434
>there is probably more in the MEGA folder
Which documents, to be specific? I'm not sure which are relevant to this topic and which are not.
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 No.1177

>>1174
Sorry, I don't know, that's why I said "probably"
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 No.985 [Open Thread]

I recently watched this documentary, and two aspects of it came to my attention as things that this board might like to discuss.

The first thing I got from this was a repugnance towards the whole marketing/advertising industry. Primarily for targeting small children and using the parent's natural instincts of wanting what is best for them in order to fool them into buying not only unnecessary but often harmful things.
Using appeals to emotion and techniques of psychological manipulation in order to condition toddlers to consume seems abhorrent to me. As I ground this over, I realized that advertising in general doesn't seem ethical: instead of making available the technical data about the product that would allow the consumer to pick according to price range and quality, advertising uses persuasion tactics to appeal to the involuntary part of the mind and override reason and logic. Is advertising in general immoral?

A second topic I only noticed a few hours later was the fact that the documentary managed to elicit an emotional response from me. I felt attachment to the children on the screen and anger towards those that did them harm. This stems from the nearly-universal instincts we have towards our young, but something about this work in particular seemed quite effective in exploiting that. How do filmmakers maximize this effect?

Personally, I found the part where the children talk about what they want to be when they grow up very touching. Perhaps I associate it with a sense of purity that serves to contrast even more strongly with the apparent corruption/degradation of marketing. I wonder if any of you will get similar responses.
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 No.986

Yes, advertising is pretty immoral. Maybe that is an inherent quality to it, or maybe it is just its current state. I'll have to watch the video you posted.
Have you seen Adam Curtis's "Century of the Self"? You might be interested.
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 No.987

>>986
Yes, I've seen it.
Interestingly, I did not get such a strong reaction from it. Perhaps because of the fractured nature, or the educational instead of expository tone.

All aspiring psycho-politicians must remember that we are not beings of pure reason, and that just because we are aware of the manipulation doesn't mean that we are immune from it. Sometimes we must stop looking at the object we are studying as impersonal observers and realize how we are personally affected by it. This can give us greater insight than if we pretended not to be humans.
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 No.995

This partially links to the thread on the hyper sexualization of children:
http://8ch.net/32/res/666.html

One anon talked about how adults are being infantilized and children "adultified". This was assumed to be a strategy for easier political control, but not everything needs to be explained by the Big Bad State. Sometimes it's just a matter of money and greed; not about making servants, but consumers.
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 No.1158

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 No.1159

>>1158
Thank you
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 No.1038 [Open Thread]

Why is ISIL so successful in convincing girls to abandon their families in developed countries and marry men they have never known?

Most cults usually demand that the recruit physically meets with them so that every aspect of their conditioning may be explored. ISIL is capable of convincing these girls to take extreme actions relying almost exclusively on online interaction.

Perhaps it is a consequence of the "progressive" culture in those countries, which leaves the young people craving for a sense of structure and belonging. Or maybe the act of leaving one's family and country to join a terrorist group is the ultimate act of rebellion.

One consistent factor in these stories is that, despite being described as "British" or "Austrian", these girls seem to mostly come from immigrant families, especially from regions with a Muslim background. This escape could then be interpreted not as running away from something, but as a search for one's true identity. The fact that adolescence is a time of self-discovery seems to support this idea.

I would like to hear your thoughts on the subject.
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 No.1050

>>1041
My point is, you're looking for a general pattern when there isn't one. The numbers are too small.

Some people find their partner on dating sites, some bump into them while out shopping, some meet at dinner parties, some are seduced online and run off to Iraq. If, for example, there was a massive upsurge in the percentage of marriages that started at a particular market, this would be indicative of a general trend revolving around that market. But a tiny smattering is simply to be expected from random individual whims and impulses, just as any bizarre meeting scenario you could think of probably happens a few times a year. You're trying to find a picture in background noise.
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 No.1055

>>1050
Fair enough.

I suppose we can't all be so lucky as to find the love of our lives online and go joint that person in an insane fundamentalist crusade against civilization.
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 No.1094

>>1038
I don't even really buy the meme that girls are leaving western countries for ISIS. I think they are basically fake news. I don't have any proof for you but it's pretty damn hard to prove something *didn't* happen

We had a few girls leave for ISIS from the Denver area, which has a long history of sketchy stories involving Muslims (Colorado has a lot of agency presence and also Army PSYOP)
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 No.1097

It's simple - most of them are young. They're in their teens or early twenties. Anyone who has actually interacted with teenage girls will be aware of the fact that they are astoundingly easy to emotionally manipulate.
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 No.1114

>>1094
They're from Western countries but they are almost all Muslim. The propaganda isn't that ISIS is recruiting Westerners, it is globalist propaganda that the Muslim communities in the West are loyal.
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 No.265 [Open Thread]

Just found this board by chance and a while ago I wrote a blog entry about my theory of why women have their inferiority complex.

I will copy&paste it here and would like to get some feedback, additional thoughts and eventually starting an insightful discussion about the topic.
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 No.794

>>267
>Maybe Freud’s penis envy theory was indeed right. Not in a literal, but a metaphorical sense.
Are you aware of the current drive backed wholeheartedly by radical feminists to achieve the medical science of female sperm and thus rid themselves of need for the male sex completely?

They literally want females to be able to produce viable sperm for fertilization. I can't say I agree with much of what Freud wrote, but this is one example where feminists really do envy male genitalia. Feminist separatists do not just have penis envy (and often utilize strap-on dongs), they're also jealous of a Man's balls.

Personally, I try not to get too caught up in feminism and the divisive gender war (except to co-opt it as a tool for my own PSIOPs). It is a divide and conquer strategy if I ever saw one.

Essentially, Feminisms is the devaluation and shame of the mother role with the aim of getting more women to adopt productive male roles and to cow men in fear of being harmful to women. The appeals made to women can not be this honest though. Instead they use phrases like, "have your own money" (as if wives didn't rule the roost and spending regardless of their employment), or "I don't need a man to make me happy" whilst merely replacing husbands with the state as their surrogate protective fathers/husbands (instead of "a man" they need many men). The envy of desirable male-dominated positions (e.g., politician or CEO) is never balanced with the duty to fill the less desirable male positions (janitor or conscripted soldier).

Male Obligations are seen as Privileges, even though they are sacrifices. Feminists want the rewards without the effort (despite what the useful-idiot adherents say).

The effect of feminism is twice the workers in the work force; The economy adjusts to two income homes so women can't afford not to work, then you get twice the work for the same pay per home. Thus, Communists and Capitalists alike love Feminism.

You're correct in thinking Feminism is just suborning women to other more radical women through placing excessive value on traditional male roles and devaluing and shaming those who fill traditional female roles. I doubt women naturally feel inferior as in the Victorian era women were considered to the more virtuous and fairer sex; Instead I see evidence that women arePost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.848

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 No.1037

>>265
>why women have their inferiority complex

You appear to be making an unfounded assumption there m8. Let's see why that might be:

>you've been lurking on chans

>these sites are typically populated by those shunned from mainstream social circles
>a large number of these will be lonely males
>these males hey will tell each other (and themselves) what they need to hear to save their egos

I realize this sort of groupthink might fly on boards like /r9k/, but /32/ is supposed to have an emphasis on critical thinking.
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 No.1044

I agree with >>1037
Not only you made a grand claim that doesn't have any clear hard evidence, but you are also making a big generalization.
Any argument could stand on the question "why is there a big feminist movement?" if the said argument were to be put in nice words and outline a clear picture of what and why it's happening.
The picture is never clear, there is no always black and white and things aren't as easily explainable as you might think.
Feminists have wide range of personalities, and not all women react the same under same factors. Sure, there are stereotypes for a reason, but there is a bell curve around the stereotype too.
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 No.1087

>>266
Men also have a factual tendency to take more risky behaviors, which sometimes pay off, and people like hearing about or praising risky stuff and big gambits, I think.


Generally I'd say both sexes have plenty of people with 'inferiority complexes'. Fundamentally this is because, in their youth, they are treated as inferiors, so naturally they grow up into this mindset. Then these people, for example men especially, will go do something like strive to make a bunch of money, because then they feel they will finally be 'superior', only then able to find comfort/happiness.
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 No.56 [Open Thread]

I like this board. This is a good board.
I'll be contributing to keep it alive!
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 No.548

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 No.561

>>530
I'm okay with it if we get enough posts to sustain the board. If you find this board or are referred to it, you might have something to contribute. Some general /b/ shitter coming around isn't the kind of person we want here.
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 No.1083

>>545
You can remove the 'fucker = blimper' one.

It'll do it automatically with fuck.
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 No.1104

>>545
>libtard is liberal
TOP KEK
This board is going down the shitter already.
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 No.1131

You're right. This is a great board. Thumbs up, board.
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 No.716 [Open Thread]

I think most people here agree that individuals should be able to make decisions about their own lives, such as how to spend their money, where to live, what policies to agree with, and so on. Forming your own opinions is fundamental to the notion of identity,and therefore to a mentally stable individual and functional member of society.

In order to make decisions of whatever kind, individuals need information. An opinion based on facts and that takes into account many different (relevant) factors is an informed opinion. People who don't have informed opinions make decisions that are irrational, and often have negative effects. Thus, an informed individual is both a good member of society and a good human being (assuming that the information they have is truthful and that the "rational" decision is to be a good person). By induction, it is safe to assume that an uninformed individual is neither good for society nor good for themselves.

We have arrived at the central statement of this post: individuals should have access to factual information, that is, truthful information that allows them to understand the realities of a situation. From that, I can claim that it is wrong (because it is bad for both society and the individual) to deny that person access to such information, by censoring the facts and/or spreading lies. This is one point I guess (and I might be wrong) that you will agree with me on: the powers in effect -e.g. governments, corporations- should not lie to the people.

I would like to know if you agree with what I have said so far. If you don't, why not? If you do, what other actions can be considered immoral in regards to control of information? Is mass distraction immoral? What about appeals to emotion, subliminal messages, mass hypnosis, manipulation of the masses by means of cult psychology?
Basically, what is a group in power justified in doing in regards to information?
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 No.1010

>>716
> I think most people here agree that individuals should be able to make decisions about their own lives, such as how to spend their money, where to live, what policies to agree with, and so on.

I have to disagree with this, it is not true.
If you, or the group you belong too can ensure those rights, then yes.
If you cannot in some way defend those "rights"/privileges then no, you do not have them.

Also, after writing this I see that you said they "should be able" which is a different story.
There I am somewhat in agreement, however this almost libertardian might obfuscate the natural laws that I believe should never be hidden or forgotten.
At some level evolution needs, and will happen no matter if we try to prevent it.
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 No.1011

>>1010
needs to, and will, happen *
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 No.1048

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Curt Doolittle has some interesting ideas about the relation between the people and the government. His argument basically boils down to this: since people want a moral/ethical society instead of one that merely protects their right to property, and therefore the more people in a society can trust other members of the society to act ethically/morally the less state suppression is needed to keep a society stable.

http://www.propertarianism.com
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 No.1051

>>735
>When a large corporation is said to hold a monopoly, the government steps in

I'd definitely contend this; the government will permit or even foster monopolies when it so desires. But I see your general point, and you're not entirely wrong; schooling should aim to introduce the individual to a range of ideas, and take a neutral perspective on those ideas. Though obviously there's a difference between the unbiased teaching of a topic and actively pushing it to maintain an equilibrium.
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 No.1052

>>1010
"Might makes right" must only necessarily work at the highest level. Below that, it's down to the opinion of the powers that be to shape society. Meaning on an individual level, it could be so abstract as to effectively not apply at all in day-to-day life.
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 No.1001 [Open Thread]

From http://8ch.net/news+/res/9457.html

http://pss.sagepub.com/content/early/2015/01/14/0956797614562862

"Memory researchers long have speculated that certain tactics may lead people to recall crimes that never occurred, and thus could potentially lead to false confessions. This is the first study to provide evidence suggesting that full episodic false memories of committing crime can be generated in a controlled experimental setting. With suggestive memory-retrieval techniques, participants were induced to generate criminal and noncriminal emotional false memories, and we compared these false memories with true memories of emotional events. After three interviews, 70% of participants were classified as having false memories of committing a crime (theft, assault, or assault with a weapon) that led to police contact in early adolescence and volunteered a detailed false account. These reported false memories of crime were similar to false memories of noncriminal events and to true memory accounts, having the same kinds of complex descriptive and multisensory components. It appears that in the context of a highly suggestive interview, people can quite readily generate rich false memories of committing crime."

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 No.1007

It has been known for over twenty years that false memories can be implanted into welcoming subjects. The Satanic Ritual Abuse scare of the late 1980's and early 1990's is a prime example. Psychologists can convince themselves that the patient has "repressed memories" and in an effort to bring them to light, provide the patient with points of reference from which they can recall events. The problem is that if these events never took place, the points of reference (a time period, a location, a feeling) can be used to construct rather than recall, to the point where the psychologist and the patient end up in a positive-feedback loop, one's certainty pushing the other forward.

What is new about this study is that instead of psychiatric sessions where the subject expected to remember things forgotten, these interviews lacked the clinical aspect. This is important because it shows that individuals don't need a situation where they expect to be introduced to new information about themselves in order to accept such false data, all it takes is pushing the right buttons.
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 No.1020

>>1007
The false memory syndrome foundation which sprung up as a reaction to molestation accusations in the 90's is a very shady organization- I recommend you look into their leadership and administration. While false memories may be a possibility, that organization has in part worked to silence victims of actual abuse.
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 No.851 [Open Thread]

http://www.radiolab.org/story/trust-engineers/

a recent investigation of social engineering at facebook by npr show radio lab

none of the techniques or experiments are going to be super new to people here. but it is an look into facebooks particular operations and an accessible starting point to introduce others to the subject.
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 No.956

First thing I notice is how the casual sound effects and language make me less interested in what they have to say.

The information given here is nothing new. It is clearly stated (and has been for quite some time) in the terms and conditions that everything you do while logged in is subject to analysis. I doubt more than a handful of people did more than get pissy when they heard about that. They didn't quit facebook, they didn't e-mail the company, they certainly didn't change their online habits. They were outraged and then got back to sharing their pictures.

The problem isn't with the fact that facebook treats its users as guinea pigs (well, that is a problem, but not the main one), the problem is: what will the data be used for? Selling shoes? making people communicate in a nicer way? Elect presidents?

And the scary thing, the really scary thing that people know but choose not to think about is that the US government and its allies can do that same sort of research and experimentation with most of the open web. If facebook is that large, imagine data from everyone that uses facebook + everyone that uses google + everyone that uses apple products + ...
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 No.1004

Listened to this last week. I like Radiolab on the whole, but this felt a lot like a /hailcorporate/ Facebook plug.

Sounded like the justification of privacy loss.
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 No.1008

>>1004
>Sounded like the justification of privacy loss.

Exactly. While they admitted discomfort with the idea of being used for such experiments and with having their data scrutinized in this manner, they couldn't help but try to justify it, like a nurse explaining the need for a foul-tasting medicine. Only in this case, the medicine is for an imaginary illness.
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 No.1012

Radiolab has been slacking. They need to mix it up.

I'd recommend Invisibilia, an off shoot podcast, for some cool discussions.
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 No.983 [Open Thread]

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 No.984

Please post a description of the link, as well as the reason why it is relevant to the board.
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 No.990

>>984
the link directs people to an area whereby they can discover if security services have been spying on them

relevance is because it will help humiliate the state
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 No.260 [Open Thread]

Those people interested in discussing these topics for the purpose of coercing and manipulating other people for their own gain, or for perhaps the sheer thrill of it, join us in >>>/vd/

And tell your friends.

We'd love to have you.

Feel free to use this thread to discuss Five Eyes, and their methods of infiltrating most strata of online media. I believe their manifesto/manual was linked a few months ago.
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 No.271

>>261
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2014/02/24/art-deception-training-new-generation-online-covert-operations/

This is one of them, I'm not sure what happened to the one that I saw specifically because it seemed to be chock full of assertions that their goal was to cause something to happen in the real world through infiltrating online groups and causing disturbances there.

http://rt.com/news/five-eyes-online-manipulation-deception-564/
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 No.287

>>271

What the heck could they possibly want? A revolt?

I guess I could see that, they trigger conflict, and harvest the lives of all those who dared to be rebellious and think against their agenda.
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 No.926

It's scary to think how easily human beings can be programmed, especially when they are part of a larger group. Despite our irrationalities, out behavior is terribly predictable and because of that, easily modified.

The idea of training "cyber magicians" is interesting because these trainees themselves may not realize that they are being trained. Last year's XOXO convention comes to mind, as well as Common Core. What are individuals taught in this sort of event? What are the children learning? among other things, to use emotion and deception to change the focus. Naturally, these individuals are not the ones with any real power, but instead useful idiots.

The acquisition of intelligence, the interpretation of data and the delegation of tasks falls upon especially trained individuals and, of course, computers. All levels of deception can be coordinated by a small group of operatives with very specific and complementary tasks.

There are two kinds of people necessary to run this sort of operation: those who understand humans and those who understand systems of information. This means that if you ever find a group of individuals who are involved in disinformation, manipulation and deception, there will be people at the top who have studied the mentioned subjects (anthropology, economics, sociology, psychology, history, political science and biology); cybernetics also comes to mind, despite not being mentioned on the presentation. The only way to truly resist these attacks is by learning about those same topics.
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 No.931

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mind control doc attachment
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 No.932

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5 eyes better watch out
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 No.924 [Open Thread]

Any discussion about terrorism must first deal with the problem of defining terrorism. Much like child pornography, most people know what it is, but have a hard time determining where it starts and where it ends. The ideological nature of terrorist actions means that one man’s terrorist is another’s “paramilitary forces”, and a vicious attack can become a demonstration of justified anger if reported by different channels. One central aspect in which most seem to agree, is that what differs terrorists from common criminals is the use of a political justification for their actions, instead of immediate personal gain (after all, if personal gain was the goal there would be no suicide bombers). A terrorist action can never be seen from a neutral perspective: it is always distorted by the political lens of the broadcaster and of the receiver.

This last condition had proven to be a problem for terrorists, as for the most part media has been a passive medium: the audience must go after the sources of information and look for data themselves. TV broadcasts, newspapers, radio shows: all of these are legitimate and recognized sources of information with access to extensive apparatus that allows them to investigate, edit and transmit reports of events. But more important than the technology is the legitimacy, the idea that they are the rightful informers and the bearers of the truth. This remained the accepted system of news transmission for a long time, but the status quo was challenged with the Digital Revolution.

The ability of creating one’s own website greatly increased individual’s power when it came to making their message public. Despite the lack of professional development, these early websites significantly lessened the difference in reach between the common man (or the terrorist) and the established media outlets. A website can be accessed anywhere in the world, at any time, and provide the viewer with information that they were previously deprived off. And all of this for free.

The second level of advancement was the infiltration of media sharing platforms by terrorist networks. Sites like youtube allow the militants to share both ideological and training material with no risk or cost for themselves, while reaching huge audiences (which are bound to include individuals vulnerable to their message). As the credibility of mainstream media decreases, alternative sources for news become more and more attractive, and many times the iPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.925

But the most worrying trend has been the use of social media to spread the militant’s messages. These platforms not only allow the sharing of material, but open a direct line of dialogue between the broadcaster and their audience. Reception to material can be easily assessed, allowing for messages to be adapted for greater effectiveness. Questions and criticism can be answered publicly, again bringing the militant and the target audience closer together. The variety of media that can be shared makes it possible for persons with many preferences and resources to be contacted. Finally, the live updates of events often mean that the first reports about an attack come from the terrorist’s perspective.

All of these channels of communication have increased the effectiveness of terrorism by orders of magnitude, with marginal increases in expense and risk. Propaganda, recruiting and training can happen without ever being contact between the recruit and trainers, making lone-wolf attacks ever more likely. Even when terrorists do choose to operate in cells, the connection between cells is dwindling, except for the ideological motivation. The electronic Jihad has proven to be a very profitable initiative.

Naturally, none of this is being ignored by the governments who deal with terrorist threats. Measures are being taken to prevent that terrorist propaganda and training can be distributed online, and the location and monitoring of individuals that exhibit interest in these matters is standard practice. This leads us back to the initial problem: defining terrorism. For every ISIL wannabe that is under scrutiny because he liked some nasheed there are several more “potential domestic terrorists” who present such worrying behaviors as defending their rights to bear arms and demanding freedom of speech in colleges. The arms race is now between those who want to make themselves heard and known without being located, and those who want to suppress their message and find them, while fighting under the flag of freedom.

In conclusion, the evolution and massive expansion of social media, as well as its integration with our daily lives, is perhaps one of the best things to happen to terrorists in the last decades. It is also quite convenient for those that preach for more surveillance and control over information transmission. Those who suffer, as it is usually the case, are the uninvolved civilians who are attacked, targeted, lied to, monitored and siPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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