/32/ - Psychopolitics

>>2587

can we just wait another week or so for next?

splitting up boards as small as this one is a death sentence.

>>>/logic/ and it's child boards:

>>>/logicpol/

Fallacies are banned.

>>/litpat/

>>/film/

>>3748

God I'm an idiot

>>>/litpat/

>>>/film/

subliminal messages != hidden symbols.

One is actual psychology, the other is a recipe for insanity.

>>1860

This is a common practice in advertising, like visual sexual innuendos. Perhaps the mammalian brain doesn't pick up on it, but I'm sure the R-complex does.

>>1860

It's just primitive instincts.

>>1861

I completely agree. You have to understand that marketing people think about these types of seemingly extortionary tactics on a daily basis. The notion that "sex sells" goes beyond the concept of putting some big tits in a beer commercial. There are many ways that sexual logic affects many of the decisions we make.

>>3202

Well, targeting the alt-right, with them being so focused on the JQ to the point of downplaying secret societies such as the Masons, Skull & Bones, etc serves as a diversion of attention away from these groups and focuses all the conspiracies around the Jews. That's not to say that there are no Jewish conspiracies, but rather that if the secret societies wanted to divert attention away from them, that pulling strings to get the alt-right to grow would be a good way to do it, since none of the figureheads of the movement tend to put any commentary on these groups. There was a twitter thread by some aussie that said the exact same thing but I can't find it, if anyone else could post it here it might explain it a bit more than I could so long as it hasn't been deleted.

>>3738

Consider perhaps a focus on 'Masonic Questions' is no more valuable than Jewish ones. If you want to talk about small elite groups like Skull and Bones or even the Jesuits I think that is more the right track. I don't deny Masonic or Jewish conspiracies, but the problem is ~99% of Masons and Jews are just normal folks, and the moment you start targeting them as an entire group you isolate yourself, by betraying a perceived prejudice.

I would agree though that the the alt right does seem to have a an unnatural hardon for the JQ. That fact makes it easy to identify as some kind of op.

>>3739

Perhaps, either way the term "alt-right" being separate from /pol/ and being so openly sponsored by Clinton shows how good it is for those in power. Nothing in politics is unplanned, and using the alt-right to sour the JQ and abandon the MQ serves some purpose in the future. This could be to make sure that the presence of the alt-right will either serve to bring about some new era of politics where those who are already in power keep their bloodline powerful by appearing "based and edgy" when the time is right, or some other negative purpose. Using "qui bono" and "following the money" methods seems to be the most effective ways of determining whether this is a psyop (which is probably is) and who is behind it. Doesn't Spencer have a lot of contact with Dugin, and Spencer to rich families? Apollonian Germ, whatever you may think of him, goes into great detail in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldQGwGxq6b8) on the matter. Furthermore, I've had many people tell me withing certain WN groups to not look into Spencer, saying that "On good authority I can say that he is no CIA Nigger".

It honestly seems like a demonization tactic, fed from journalists' close ties to Democratic Party and vice versa, that blew up in their face and backfired. The notion of an alt-right also benefits the Republican Party because it allows them to distance themselves from fringe, radical groups very easily with very little thought involved. Now that there is a far right (with a sexy and easily memorizable name like alt right) they can push their moderate agendas pretty easily and say they don't agree with their policies. Which is idiotic because the Republican Party is basically just the white people's party and they know it, they're just too smart to admit it outright.

Addendum: I no longer require material on the specific maths involved as I have since located some. Input on my first two concerns remains desired.

>>3725

There is no doubt t in my mind that psychopolitics is something being analyzed and utilized by govt. agencies. The flaw with the govt. systems is the agencies that are deployed in this field are constantly using it to try and subvert and corrupt the general populace in accordance with their underhanded philosophies and agendas. I myself have felt desire to move in to the govt. intelligence sector, but I can not in good faith believe that they hold anyone's interests close besides their own. Places like these are the only existing spaces where free thought can be exchanged without strict agendas being forced on users and without totalitarian restriction of idea being implemented. To understand how much the government is against the individual, yoy need not look further than the general Miranda Rights: anything you say can and will be used against you.

>>3725

How's about being of use for your self and your immediate community instead of aiding the very machine that has put all these labels and stress-related concerns upon you. It seems counter-intuitive. A second look at what you mean with career vs. being of use may be useful. Normies/non-autists that are high in social skills seem to thrive on relying on HFA and other introvert people for their own benefit. Be careful anon.

>>3686

Bechtel - builds tunnels: https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/BechtelFileSO78.pdf

Phil Shneider was doing independent research on futuristic technology popping out of an underground base, and he was approached by the military and told that the technology belonged to aliens, and to help the military by keeping this secret. They gaslit him - seems pretty obvious that there's secret tech being researched down there.

Also: redundant systems for disasters. An underground DC to administrate in case of disaster above ground.

>>2622

>With that, this arises the natural gaps in the power structure, where the will of the people can emerge.

What gaps? You mean like little pub hall meetings and stuff?

>While many would agree here that autonomy is a moral virtue and right (the right to be left alone), many would also say they feel comfort in 'big brother' etc. so this concept of 'free them' is what believe just another illusion in the apparatus. We are already free. They are free. There is no 'free them' to tale action on.

What? Everything is subjective? 'Some people want autonomy and some don't' -- what point are you making? The majority of people never really consider what's true and what's not, and consequently they are led off cliffs in great herds by people who pretend to espouse the truth; which is their truth. Is that freedom?

>Don't get bogged down in discussions about who is voting for whom or the personal celebrity gossips about politicians.

>This could be and is someones idea of freedom, what right do you have to impede on that? What if that person or persons is blissfully happy, no matter how ignorant you deem them to be?

Freedom has become a mere buzz word then. I am interested in human happiness, and believe it attainable through one course. You might consider it possible to be blissfully happy through heroin, orgasm and ignorance, but that is at odds with the underlying reality that the debased person tries to escape from. Blissful happiness does not come to those lost in pet delusions and smoke and mirrors, distracted with gadgets and masturbatory or gory fantasies -- with the yoke of thought policing to ensure the state of conformity that makes that stuff possible. That is a state of fear and fear at life, dreaming the alienated world to be evil. It is also a denial of peoples higher natures.

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>>2627

>What gaps? You mean like little pub hall meetings and stuff?

'Stuff'? In the most primitive of terms then yes, revolutions can start anywhere these gaps arise,pubs, internet image boards, etc. The will of the people is again a subjective term that takes into account a great amount of assumptions, more often than not it's been my experience that the 'people' can have their will manipulated, and that manipulation can actually in some rare instances be great, when the people forging the will of the people is grounded in altruism, morality and trust. Taking into consideration and having the respect for man to live out his natural life trajectory, and be left alone to make it his will, with the least amount of outside influence forced upon him, consciously or subconsciously, as possible.

>Is that freedom?

Freedom is relative to an individuals definition of freedom. Freedom is more or less a state of mind.

>peoples higher natures.

Thanks I needed a laugh. Higher nature to build parking lots? Consume mindless drivel, buy tickle me elmos, neglect nature and children? Find comfort in sharing opinions via plastic and metal to people who you will never meet via the internet? Higher nature, another relative term, is in the eye of the beholder. I might think a great classical composer appeals to a humans ability to engage in this abstract 'higher nature' you speak of. And yet I might also think that this higher nature is only possessed by a person who can manipulate those around them to do their bidding, without their knowledge but full consent. Maybe a classical composer is just manipulating the mind on a higher nature' who knows.

We get the world we deserve. Can there be a higher nature without a lower nature? Does most of nature gravitate towards the higher part or the lower part? Abstract and irrelevant. Not even the truth matters to most, I could agree, however the truth must matter to those that have power and can be counted on to manipulate the masses into believing self governance on the individual, state and federal level is oPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>1382

>The people swaying your governments, currencies, academia and general afflictions already control money printing in all the major and secondary world powers. They have no need of "earning" money or getting more money.

It fucking derailed right there

There are no world cabals, which doesn't mean some people and groups don't have incredible levels of control and influence, but again its not an all-encompassing cabal

The reason why some countries get to print money without triggering hyperinflation and others don't is that some countries pay their debts on time and thus can make more debt (bonds) because they are AAA ranked meaning its certain those bonds will be paid

The countries that can't print money like that are usually countries with a history of debt defaults and corrupt fucks who steal money from foreign loans to build themselves a mansion in some tax heaven, so they can't make more debt in the form of bonds because they have defaulted in so many times before that said bonds are rated as 'junk' because its very likely they will default again

A country without money or the means to obtain money can't print money, and if they do they are just liquefying their existing funds

These are nice thoughts, but chances are one could never be more persuasive as the television and the reality it builds around it.

Seems that we are subject to the mass-perception panopticon which trains the 1984 style politically correct police.

Personally I don't think one can guarantee a loyal family, let alone community, in this cultural climate without being near totalitarian.

>>2454

this is the most fucked incomprehensive flowchart i have ever seen

>>3122

cont...

>The fear of absolute death: the anxiety of meaninglessness

what sets man apart from animals?

the ability to willfully start fires? a sense of history where ideas are passed on to our progeny along with simple genes? these are the results of something fundemental and that fundemental understanding is death. Man with his evolved psyche and linguistic system can describe not only the act of death, but the implications and understand the finality of it. If all things die then what is the point of living?

Nihilistic dread as a result of eating from the fruit of knowledge and leaving the animals behind in the garden is both the cause of mankind's suffering and its greatness. We cannot come to terms with the fact that we are both capable of infinite mental growth but constrained by a finite physical body. in the end the only option left to us is to transcend death through the greatness of our actions, causing the spirit of our will to impregnate the hearts of those still living. Jesus of Nazarath, Thomas Jefferson and Socrates are very much as alive today as they were when their bodies walked the Earth. No sane person wants to be meaningless and destined to die, so they repress this knowledge either through hedonism or pious zealotry.

The State has capitalized on this inherent anxiety of the human soul. It offers men purpose either through a national identity, a military hierarchy or some other arbitrary goal. This isn't inherently bad, as the inverse of a purposed existence looks like the nightmarish mouse utopia experiments by John Calhoun. It is when this artificial sense of purpose is used as a carrot on a stick to incentivize industrialized slaughter on a massive scale, or keep a mass population in a docile servitude without regard to the natural rights of man that this becomes a problem.

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>>2806

you know people would just find a new cage to crawl into

Is the question really how to free them or how to encourage them to free themselves?

Personally, I want to be free, but only as free as I'd think I could handle. I wouldn't want to be totally "free", whatever that means.

Consider a child, a child should have an intervening eye set on them so they don't stray into death, toward some horrible premature fate. Perhaps there's an eye like this for each one of us, why would one want to be free or to escape its vigilant care.

So, freeing people, I don't worry so much for other people, to each their own means of navigating reality. I would presume of those you're eager to free from "mind cages" are comfortable, or else they'd escape the mind cage into the next one, and so on and so forth.

For our minds need boundaries, else it would have no definition, no form, ergo no direction.

>>3123

Mouse Utopia experiment has stark parallels to modern society, although I wonder what those conducting the study took out of it, how the information gathered was used, or monetized.

First of all bump to a great thread. Quality has been going down all over the chans these days.

After the latest /pol fiasco, I had a thought and remembered this >>299 post, in this very same thread.

Do you remember pic related at the very beginning of gg. This was posted by the mod team that was later confirmed to be SJWs.

Is this a way (((they))) are using to control acts that would otherwise become a problem to the PTB?

Is it possible that this very same method, that we see being played out on fullpol constantly is at the same time being played out at srs tier sites? In the same time dividing us and them while fueling discord even within the groups themselves.

>>2540

I find the guy narrating the post to be even cringier than the tumblristas themselves.

>>334

>>341

I noticed this in theatre, whether middle/high/secondary school theatre, college theatre, or theatre in the adult world. People are feeling like they are free when they take upon themselves camp behavior, whether as out-and-loud homosexuality or at the minimum adopting some of the camp into their otherwise ordinary heterosexuality to gain a sense of belonging and freedom.

It's the ruling class implementing doctrines via media that polices the average citizen's conduct. Political correctness, sensitivity training, these are methodologies intended to domesticate the population.

It's certainly related to all your proposals, but it is *very* sexual, as perhaps everything ultimately is... So, SJW dogma is rooted in feminism, females control the means of reproduction, and men's instinct to reproduce is often stronger than logical fixations. Like puppies, they'll nod in the affirmative to whatever slogans their women regurgitate if it means they'll have access to sex.

SJW preach hedonism, materialism, void of spirituality as their enemy "patriarchy" is merely a code-word for tradition. The scapegoating of "privilege", from their lexicon, is the ultimate admission of being materialistic, as no longer are people viewed as a genetic continuum but as a tabula rasa product who are randomly born into a random privileged, or "under-privileged" household. Some good NLP there, come to think of it: Have's, Have-Not's.

How about telling us what "Operation Gladio" is, what the video consists of, and why we should discuss it?

And if you're in a good mood, you could also capitalize the first letter of the sentence and use a period at the end.

"Originally aired on BBC2 in 1992, 'Operation Gladio' reveals 'Gladio', the secret state-sponsored terror network operating in Europe.

This BBC series is about a far-right secret army, operated by the CIA and MI6 through NATO, which killed hundreds of innocent Europeans and attempted to blame the deaths on Baader Meinhof, Red Brigades and other left wing groups. Known as 'stay-behinds' these armies were given access to military equipment which was supposed to be used for sabotage after a Soviet invasion. Instead it was used in massacres across mainland Europe as part of a CIA Strategy of Tension. Gladio killing sprees in Belgium and Italy were carried out for the purpose of frightening the national political classes into adopting U.S. policies.

Director Allan Frankovich"

>>2021

Didn't operation Gladio have much to do with the Vatican?

>>2660

Memetics is just a juvenile term for Magick, symbols control everyone.

>>2615

> Most people are approval seeking slaves, that would sooner tear apart anyone that tries to help them, than their masters.

Prove it

>>2615

Are there any books you can recommend specifically about Northern Irish Politics/History? (Or just pan-Irish if that's all you have.) It's been an interest of mine, but I just haven't found the right "in" yet.

>>2193

>So they import a new people and then manipulate them to subvert the original population

That only works when the new population comes from your population stock

Besides the irish example I would name the south-west united states: that land was all spain's and then mexico's, and the population there was heavily hispanic. Before the US-mexico was you had manifest destiny which was basically a scheme to get as many anglo/north-european to the area as possible in order to out-breed the hispanics (mostly southern europeans and native mexicans) out of the area, which is why the native population of the area which was technically mexico didn't rebel when under US rule, because they were mostly non-hispanics

If western-european leaders wanted to do this they would be much better off letting russians in. The average russian would sell his soul to the labor party, the greens, the socialist and any other party that gives them a EU passport.

The muslims they are letting in don't care about these liberal parties, in fact the favorite party for sweden muslims' is SD, a party most white swedes consider "extreme right" and "anti immigrant"

If anything the current immigration crisis in europe shows you what happens to a political class that lives so isolated they lose any connection with reality. A good parallel is the soviet leadership which lived such sheltered lives that they didn't see the looming economic problems and stagnation that ended up destroying the USSR. You had people like gorbachev who were so fucking oblivious to everything going on that when the berlin wall protests happened he gave no orders because he couldn't believe what was happening, so a bunch of unarmed germans were able to break the wall using hammers while soviet soldier just stood there watching

>>2620

tasteful quip tbh

>>30

the "not a serious place" idea they are floating reminds me of the zeitgeist around video games. the message is it's for babies but speaking in pure financial terms, it's (i believe) a more lucrative business than film.

makes sense to trivialize valuable spheres so as to ward off idiot competitors

>>167

this is the purpose of well executed self-deprecation humor. or really any charming reductionist humor. it has the lovely effect of not only addressing the concern the listener is probably dealing with consciously or subconsciously, not only disarming the concern, but in fact (when executed with an appropriate level of finesse) working in the favor of the speaker because we (as the unguarded listener) have enjoyed this display of self awareness and bow tying.

>>180

i think we are over-estimating the Puppet Master's ability to wholesale create and under-estimating the Pupper Master's ability to improv with severe cleverness and with essentially limitless resources.

it would be easier to mold an already organic chanese to become what you want than to create a language tolken style

>>180

>>183

Crazy thought, mostly for shits and giggles: what if the AI takeover already happened, and it acts through the veneer of a human "puppet master"? Most people only know of the redshields, etc through certain shadily aggregated information and second-hand research. And maybe the AI then produced highly complicated disinfo in the form of dissenting content and pushed it out to divert all potential threats into futile planning.

After all, if an AI had been created and were logical, limitless in resources, and quick with game theory, it would be the reasonable conclusion to game the system in an undetectable way.

The word alternate is always going to play out as a secondary role, subject to what is presumed as the primary narrative. Which, seems to be "the mainstream", which is a powerful enough term as is. People are slaves to NLP tactics, so it's best to keep what you're pointing out in mind.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on."

I don't care for Churchill but this is a good quote.

>>2771

what I find more interesting is does this question imply that there are two other branches of this invisible government? What could they be?

>>2798

yeah if the executive is meant for carrying out the laws, then theres the judicial branch who creates the laws, and lastly theres the judicial branch who evalates those laws, then who are these last two?

Maybe the answer depends on what the 'law' is that propaganda enforces, unless it's a superficial quote.

>>2799

>judicial which creates the laws

should be legislative.

>>2769

Propaganda, through the television, is the perhaps the primary means of control, it's created a radical change in behaviors and is weaning society off its instincts.

It decides the symbols in which people dream, embedding itself deep in the unconscious of the average person. Creating composite personalities and engineering new social dynamics.