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 No.235

Would trying to hasten the global economic collapse be beneficial for us?

We know that within the current paradigm and societal structure, it is incredibly easy for the elite to manipulate the masses towards their goals.

This must surely become more difficult in times of chaos. Too many variables to consider, and too many problems to deal with.

On the other hand, collapse might be part of their goal, and might even be deliberately orchestrated in order to bring in the next stage of their plan.

Whatever the case - they are certainly preparing for a collapse (militarization of police, etc), and with a global economy that relies on infinite growth, using finite resources, we must logically eventually reach stagnation and collapse.

It should have happened in the 2008 financial crisis, but they bought more time with the bank bailouts.

So should we hasten it? Perhaps the sooner the better?
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 No.236

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>>235
There are non-violent, and even legal ways an individual can help hasten the collapse.

Using state welfare, growing your own food, or even subversive methods like gluing traffic light pedestrian crossing buttons in, so that they're stopping traffic constantly and generally slowing down economic activity in your city.
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 No.238

Hastening the global collapse would be beneficial to anyone who wishes to cause drastic change in the current system. What determines in what way the system will be reconstructed is who is most well-prepared for this collapse. If we are to assume that the global elite is in control of the majority of economic processes around the world, then it would be reasonable to presume that they are very well prepared. The frightening matter becomes: if they are already the global elite, how could remodelling the system be beneficial to them? How much better could the situation for them become, and how much worse for us?

On his work on guerrilla warfare, Guevara stated that revolution is impossible while there is still the illusion of democratic process. If we can extend that line of reason, there will be no true economic change until the masses realize that our current system is rigged. Fortunately for the elites, their media monopoly means that they can hide that fact almost indefinitely if so the desire; which means that by the time there is an "awakening" of the people to their economic condition, it will be by the will of the elites, and this sudden realization will be playing right into what they want.

In sum, yes, I believe that we should hasten the global economic collapse, as even though we will be unprepared, the elite will also have it's plans foiled or severely hindered.

(I will add that I am not a communist)
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 No.289

If we plan to hasten collapse, we also need to be well organized and ready to step in with our own solution.
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 No.497

>>236
>subversive methods like gluing traffic light pedestrian crossing buttons in, so that they're stopping traffic constantly and generally slowing down economic activity in your city.

Please, more of these.
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 No.513

>>497
That is just general vandalism which is easy to do, but I will admit that one was a smart and low risk high reward option.

As a kid I used to make huge snowmen in the middle of low speed roads that would effectively make the road snowed down.
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 No.705

>>235
Here's some speculation for you, something that >>238 touches on:

A globalised economy, and it's inevitable collapse, is a prelude to a globalised governing rule.

Governments, by necessity, regulate national economies to prevent market failures (e.g.: sale of heroin).

Yet, in a globalised economy born out of economic ideals of freer trade from the nineteenth century, governments are essentially allowing multinationals to capitalise on global markets, and kill "uncompetitive" (read: small) firms that would otherwise have had a chance. See: most consumer goods are manufactured on an assembly line, in a sweatshop, from what is essentially slave labour and cheap materials, to be sent all over the world for great profit. Nike brand shoes, for example.

There would then be a need to regulate this mass injustice (or let it fly under the radar as you see in developing countries) as it grasps the world going slowly and steadily into an economic collapse, as the wealthy snatch up everymen's assets for pennies on the dollar, and as the common man is reduced to your Chinese sweat shop worker. How do you regulate corporations that operate on a global scale? You install a government that operates on a global scale.

The framework is already in place: the EU is a test drive, you have armed forces such as NATO, you have central banking and the IMF, you have every conceivable component of a global government ready to merge on some international law. All that is required is a context -- economic collapse and the rise of global corporations exploiting your common man.

Of course, the two evils are simply different heads of the same beast. This is a set play going for a long time now. You can try to escape this economic system but it's just another rung on the descent to hell.

Check fucking mate, the only winning move is not to play by the rules.
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 No.771

>>235
>Would trying to hasten the global economic collapse be beneficial for us?

Nope. Here's how you apply an entropy filter: Set the constraints in play, shake shit up, watch what falls out be exactly what you wanted. "Never let a good disaster go to waste", is the battle cry of all modern politicians. We are born into this system, but can change the matrix from within.

>We know that within the current paradigm and societal structure, it is incredibly easy for the elite to manipulate the masses towards their goals.

It's also incredibly easy to literally hack the planet. There is no data that is secure from a determined script kiddie with < $20K for zero-day exploits.

>This must surely become more difficult in times of chaos. Too many variables to consider, and too many problems to deal with.

Embrace chaos. Live there. Learn to adapt. We are small and agile, they are big and slow.

>On the other hand, collapse might be part of their goal, and might even be deliberately orchestrated in order to bring in the next stage of their plan.

Now you're cooking with gas.

>Whatever the case - they are certainly preparing for a collapse (militarization of police, etc), and with a global economy that relies on infinite growth, using finite resources, we must logically eventually reach stagnation and collapse.

Nah, disruptive systems, economies, and technologies often time foil the plans.

>It should have happened in the 2008 financial crisis, but they bought more time with the bank bailouts.

Multiple moderate collapses (recessions) are more easily controlled than a grand crash.

The hacker shall inherit the earth. Off the grid, hackerspaces, makerspaces, distributed production, 3D printers, self education, etc. While you were snoozing we've built our replacement systems right under your nose.

The powers that be LOVE to be able to cut off your power, water, food, tech (hence mandates for cellphone and car remote kill switches, CPUs are next). Distributed anything combats this; From manufacturing, farming, energy generation, etc. That's why off-the-grid communities are harassed so.

No matter how bad the circumstance the industrious and self sufficient will rule their roosts.

> if they are already the global elite, how could remodelling the system be beneficial to them? How much better could the situation for them become, and how much worse for us?

Imagine a depopulated planet where entire nations are allowed to return to nature, and a new elite class manages their pollution-free Eden on Earth with a very small class of technicians and scientists, the labor class having been nearly completely replaced by robots.

Now you know why "Climate Change" and "Overpopulation" are so loudly shouted into "reality", while actual scientists have no consensus if you actually read their reports on this. They need an excuse to do the unthinkable, and they're already starting to do it.

We replace the labor class, and then once the middle and upper class are dependent upon the robotic systems they will be firmly in the grips of the powerful whom control the new efficient methods of production... Why keep the middle class if they do nothing but makeup the service industry for other middle class folks? They too can be mostly replaced by robots, and their numbers reduced.

P.S. "Abort it if it's male" despite achieving feminisms' "final solution" of reducing the male population to 10% also works to curb population growth, and thus also "global warming".

It can get even worse than this, but that's a subjective assessment and some Cyberneticians don't share the categorization of "bad" in that extreme.
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 No.869

>>235
You have to give up on the notion that you can "save" all of society. Yourself, your family, maybe a few close friends; this is who you want to help, nobody else.

Make yourself useful and knowledgeable. Don't waste your time joining any subversive anarchist groups, because if they're not completely useless, they'll be infiltrated and you'll be put on a list. Do this right and you might just make it into the service class (doctors, engineers, plumbers, etc) that will continue to live in safe havens while the rest of the world tears itself apart.

Once you're in, you can start with the social engineering.
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 No.873

>>869
This is an important message, one that is often overlooked. We can't save all of society, we can only try to save ourselves. The masses allow themselves to be manipulated, even though they have access to the same information as we do. If one of us manages to reach a position of power, we are likely to be corrupted ourselves.

As long as you are being freed by someone else, you are still a subject.
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 No.2306

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Bumping.

I want to see more input in this thread.

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 No.2309

>>235

>On the other hand, collapse might be part of their goal

It never is, collapse its always the result of delaying economic corrections from taking place due to the political costs of doing so

The situation in europe is just the last straw of a million of problems inherent to the EU economy being ignoring for the sake of PR, from subsidies to lazy farmers who can't compete with imports to high taxes necessary to maintain a number of sectors and jobs that should be left to rot and die.

To even think this could be actually orchestrated and not the consequences said actions its the lowest form of conspiracy pandering

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 No.2312

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>>2309

Perhaps you misunderstand.

It is fairly commonly understood that the elite always "play all sides" in order to ensure whatever outcome occurs is beneficial to them.

This is why you see them funding both far left wing political groups, and far right wing groups.

It isn't a stretch of the imagination to foresee them having a plan in place to come out on top during a global economic collapse.

I mean, they have already been caught funding a large portion of the mainstream conspiracy movement like Alex Jones and Kokesh.

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 No.2313

>>2312

Ok first you need to stop posting those pol-tier memes here, that goes double for leftypol and their unfunny tryhard marxists memes

Second, this:

>the elite always "play all sides" in order to ensure whatever outcome occurs is beneficial to them.

Not really, there are plenty of elites that fall from grace, you just don't hear about them because once they become too poor to be considered elites they vanish into obscurity. There are plenty of elite families that were around a century ago of which you wont hear about now.

Third: there isn't a plan, the difference is that the elites have due to their position and resources, far better access to inside information and connections in key places which allows them to maneuver during a situation like this.

There isn't a better example than the soviet elite despite lacking the wealth of the western elites they were still able to foresee the rapid changes in the USSR and benefit from them by acquiring state-owned companies at a fraction of the price before anyone else could notice the discrepancies.

There isn't "A PLAN", the elites are just improvising most of the time, they just have a far greater ability to do so than the common man, but even them some elites don't make it

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 No.2315

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>>2313

>Ok first you need to stop posting those pol-tier memes here

I'll post whatever memes I want to newfriend. I'm sure we're all adult enough here not to get upset about them.

>There isn't a better example than the soviet elite

You again misunderstand, and reveal your own ignorance.

I'm not talking about the elites of specific countries like Russia, or even about the 0.01% richest people in the world.

I am talking about the globalist and occultist banking elite who consist of only a dozen or so well connected families and number in only the thousands.

>Not really, there are plenty of elites that fall from grace, you just don't hear about them because once they become too poor to be considered elites they vanish into obscurity.

The true elite don't even have need for money, because every dollar printed globally is an IOU to them, because they control almost every government globally, and because either directly or indirectly own most of the land and physical assets on the planet.

>There isn't "A PLAN", the elites are just improvising most of the time

How can you believe this when the evidence to the contrary is everywhere.

Why is leftism and globalism being pushed everywhere? From the top down by elite controlled societies and groups like the CFR, Bilderberg group, UN, EU, etc.

Why is internet censorship being pushed? Why are freedoms being eroded? Why is literally everything that could happen which will result in the elite further entrenching their position happening?

Do you seriously think this is all just some coincidence?

They plan constantly. They meet constantly. They revise and decide on how to best push their agenda. They co-opt movements (like the hippy movement in the 60's) and redirect them to suit their own goals.

I'm sorry but your comment honestly makes you sound like a naive child. There is evidence for all of this freely available - Read a book.

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 No.2452

You guys don't get it. EU was created with one goal: declaring economic war on US. Financial crisis was done on purpose of weakening EU to such a degree that it will split up and Euro currency will cease to exist not being a viable competition for US anymore. US printed all the money they needed for bailouts and so much more for military research and by comparison EU (Germany really) forced all the countries to tighten their fiscal politics causing to this day over 25% youth unemployment in spain, greece, south italy ... not to mention how really fucked these countries' budgets are.

And right now "immigrantion" problem into the Germany, you think that these "immigrants" acually did it all by themselves? There were proofs that George Soros is behind it. ISIS was created by US and Israel. Middle east revolutions/wars are couple of years old already.

US doesn't want any competition and Soros, I'm sure he leveraged every cent he had for euro collapse, will make tens of billions on it.

Chinese markets in 2015? US again. I bet they were pumping them for years with all the money they printed and when the time came they just started to sell.

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 No.2817

>>497

>implying that actually works.

>what is logic in electronics

All this will accomplish is to trigger a fault on a control panel somewhere and make manual crossing activation impossible.

The lights won't repeatedly go to cross because the button was never released to reset the cycle.

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 No.3695

It's certainly not up to us to hasten it, but it seems to do so would be in the interest of the ruling class, with their luxury underground bunkers and what not.

I'm coming around to think those in power just want a reset, and the economy crashing would be in their favor as much of the population would likely starve throughout a war.

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