/32/ - Psychopolitics

>>2806

Freeing everyone would result in extreme existential terror. Knowledge and freedom might be virtues but not everyone is cut out for them. Most people build their own walls and construct their own cages. We just need to make sure that they have the choice to become free. Knowledge has never been so easily obtained and yet more and more people choose to restrict themselves in their own personal bubble.

In any case it should be done with care.

You want to free everybody?

So what's your definition of freedom?

You shouldn't be looking to free anyone until you yourself are free, you are also fooled into believing that you're free IN ALL THE ASPECTS OF YOUR LIFE.

If Democracy isn't freedom then what is?

If Alex Jones isn't freedom then what is?

If intellectualism isn't freedom then what is?

GOD THE CREATOR!

When you recognised that all of life is one with itself, you'll realise that the material 'physical' realm is only an illusory emanation from another realm.

When the Anarchy comes, make sure that the truth of the creator be imposed unto the world's disillusioned peoples, as did the saints and prophets of old, for only through understanding of God can one come to the conclusion that the individual must act AS god in order to live in truth.

>>2808

>this much sophistry

ayo hol up. There will never be anarchy because heirarchies form naturally.

>>2872

Why would you want people to be deluded and alienated? Why should people get to cheat their way above and abuse by being monumental liars? Is someone's self-control not greater than the control of things they can have no innate or lasting power over, plus incompatible? I mean to prize control, particularly the type one has over their circumstance (which can be a result of fortune as much as achievement) is to make those circumstances the prize that one will bend over to secure, which is the same as giving up self-control; which is the more indomitable type.

Anyway, freedom isn't a 'meme' that comes out of a tv box. it is a tangible sensation as well as a state of being; the negation of being a slave or prisoner or renter.

>>2881

edgy "EVERY1a SHEEP" nonsense

PROTIP: You 'people' act more like cattle than any group of persons you describe. The same cookie cutter dialogue, the same desperate attempts to convince everyone who isn't listening of their own slavehood.

It's pathetic. It's nothing more than baseline proselytizing for the particular religion or ideology you fancy, and it's old shit. 'Sheeple' is almost as old as the internet by this point.

kys

>>2881

>If you want to free yourself (and others, for that matter) then you should worry less about freedom and more about power, you cannot free anyone if you don't have the power to do it, having power implies that you have people under your control and as long as someone has an obligation to serve you, they aren't "free".

Well, you've tried to establish a contradiction quickly but those premises are wrong. There's no power to be had and there's no way to free people other than by showing them one's own example. With society looking like such a travesty, requiring daily doses of deceit and self-deception in order to make each day bearable, and choc-full of corrupted archetypes for people to model themselves on, if it doesn't all lead to a system of pharaceutical and digital tranquilisers, more and more of its constituients may be coming to the realisation that they want to get out. The matter of 'freeing' them then becomes a matter of providing information to those who feel that 'something isn't right' with life, and by trying to be the change that infuses people to do similarly.

Agree with the rest of what you said, except the presumption of what the OP meant by 'freedom'.

>>2942

so not only are you not a 'sheeple', you're so not 'sheeple' that anyone who holds the sentiment is comparitively a sheep to you, and you treat them to a shot of the same venom they're trying to expel.

its ok, let it all out.

You cannot.

The difference is not between races. Everything involving name calling is scapegoating.

The difference is between people who can use reason and can plan and accomplish their goals and collectively organize, and the disorganized masses.

An organized ruling minority and a disorganized mass. The ruling elite fear when people act together in groups. They need to keep people fragmented and distracted on things of no importance.

I want you to know that you cannot free the slaves. They are slaves for a reason.

You need to find others who want to exchange knowledge and need to protect yourself from shilling and dilution and distraction.

Very difficult. Then you need to seize power and rule over the herd. They will believe anything that is told to them through repetition and are unable to use reason.

You cannot free the slave, you can only aspire to power and to become the new slave master.

>>2874

>Why would you want people to be deluded and alienated?

Because the general population is retarded. Delusion and alienation regardless of the method is control. The cattle must be controlled for humankind to move forward.

>>3065

>cattle must be controlled

>for humankind to go forward

Nice doublespeak. Next you'll be saying a cow is only a cow when it's within a fenced area, otherwise it's a wild chicken, and those are actually ducks due to being outside of the coop, so it's the work of the taskmaster to put all creatures under his yoke and restore to each their true essence.

By restricting them into similar enough groups to ensue they can comprehend and interpret each other with common understanding and conclusions/assumptions. Divide and regroup where appropriate. After that, issues should be dealt with one by one, never have elections for groups that support a number of things compete with eachother. Minimization of dispute and alienation is the goal of these. The smaller the scale the more easily corruption can be dealt with, but it also compromises security proportionally.

However this system we have now exists because the very people who support it willingly are in fact corrupt and part of it, not slaves OP. You're thinking of "freeing" the wrong people, they know full well what they're doing. They simply don't care if their actions harm or implement harsh restrictions on others future plight. They don't care about others freedom, they maintain their own exactly as they're comfortable with. It is for this reason that imposing restrictions on them and their transactions/movements is necessary to ensue non thoroughly afflicted adversaries are guaranteed a similar degree of freedom as well.

A non abusable compromise needs to be found to prevent things such as colonialism or worse, interbreeding.

>>3069

To give an example and expand on that a bit, what this post basically boils down to is "The people of Fooland should not be granted enough freedom that they can trample all over Barlandy or vice versa." However, it should be noted that cooperation between these entities in certain ways could also lead to internal disputes due to creation of a new ethnicity that doesn't fit in either and therefore sees no reason to upkeep or respect the originals resulting to corruption and chaos again. So the nonexistent at the time entity "Foobarlandia" should also be taken into account (and therefore impose more restrictions on the other two that would otherwise seem to serve no purpose as they protect no one visible at the time.)

>>3066

>Next you'll be saying a cow is only a cow when it's within a fenced area,

Outside of the fence it is most probably a dead cow.

In the case that we are talking about humans, those that manage to survive outside of the fence and understand that most humans want the fence to exist can now live with the owners of the farm and help in keeping the farm running along. The fence itself is: safety for those that live within it, a trial for those that want to get out and a marker for those that are already out.

>>3070

What is so wrong with regulating those that do not want to live in either nation? As long as they care about maintaining others freedom there is absolutely no problem. In the case that they don't restrictions should apply.

>>3066

You cant turn a cow into a wolf. No amount of education will turn a grazing creature from its life path.

If you want to eradicate cattle mentality you have to eradicate the cattle. Stop them from breeding via eugenics.

>>3071

>What is so wrong with regulating those that do not want to live in either nation?

I thought the point here was freedom. The point is to eradicate any chances of that happening by taking precautions beforehand to prevent it.

>As long as they care about maintaining others freedom there is absolutely no problem. In the case that they don't restrictions should apply.

Agreed. But you have no way of knowing. And people are selfish. Therefore force will be necessary to impose said restrictions.

It's a bit of a paradoxical vicious cycle. Let me also remind you that each new written law is another loophole that allows for the offender to get away with continuing or innocents being falsely convicted due to it being taken out of context or not having considered certain situations. It gets messy pretty fast.

I must say, it's still safer than any alternatives I can think of though, I'm just arguing for the sake of it.

>>2825

Men may require society's, they do not necessarily require nations

states exist like any other man made thing, because there is a demand. it is just that a certain group of people have capitalized on this demand to centralize society to their benefit.

what are these demands? there are two that stand out

>Wille Zum Leben: Want

the will to live and survive. a sense of security. The first rulers and bandit raiders turned kings were able to more economically pillage the innocent by creating a centralized food distribution system in the form of the agricultural revolution that required tithes and tributes to grow and soldiers to defend. This was more economical then periodic raids on villages and after 3 generations any occupied people will consider their condition as business as usual. This same trend continued with the industrial revolution which pushed the diasporia working in the domestic economy system into the more easily controlled cities to find work in factories.

i don't mention either the agricultural or industrial revolution to imply that we should regress to hunter gathers, but merely to demonstrate the effect technology has on mass psychology, and for all intents and purposes these methods DO satisfy the demands of abundant food supply and other consumer goods. It is the way they are organised that can be changed to give power to the individual rather then the individual being a mere utility to the state.

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>>3122

cont...

>The fear of absolute death: the anxiety of meaninglessness

what sets man apart from animals?

the ability to willfully start fires? a sense of history where ideas are passed on to our progeny along with simple genes? these are the results of something fundemental and that fundemental understanding is death. Man with his evolved psyche and linguistic system can describe not only the act of death, but the implications and understand the finality of it. If all things die then what is the point of living?

Nihilistic dread as a result of eating from the fruit of knowledge and leaving the animals behind in the garden is both the cause of mankind's suffering and its greatness. We cannot come to terms with the fact that we are both capable of infinite mental growth but constrained by a finite physical body. in the end the only option left to us is to transcend death through the greatness of our actions, causing the spirit of our will to impregnate the hearts of those still living. Jesus of Nazarath, Thomas Jefferson and Socrates are very much as alive today as they were when their bodies walked the Earth. No sane person wants to be meaningless and destined to die, so they repress this knowledge either through hedonism or pious zealotry.

The State has capitalized on this inherent anxiety of the human soul. It offers men purpose either through a national identity, a military hierarchy or some other arbitrary goal. This isn't inherently bad, as the inverse of a purposed existence looks like the nightmarish mouse utopia experiments by John Calhoun. It is when this artificial sense of purpose is used as a carrot on a stick to incentivize industrialized slaughter on a massive scale, or keep a mass population in a docile servitude without regard to the natural rights of man that this becomes a problem.

Man can find purpose outside the state. What man needs is a frontier, be it space or on Earth, a frontier that will provide a sense of progression is what is needed. Man is like water, if it sits still like the Fukiyamists would have us do, it will go stagnant, fester and eat itself.

>>2806

you know people would just find a new cage to crawl into

Is the question really how to free them or how to encourage them to free themselves?

Personally, I want to be free, but only as free as I'd think I could handle. I wouldn't want to be totally "free", whatever that means.

Consider a child, a child should have an intervening eye set on them so they don't stray into death, toward some horrible premature fate. Perhaps there's an eye like this for each one of us, why would one want to be free or to escape its vigilant care.

So, freeing people, I don't worry so much for other people, to each their own means of navigating reality. I would presume of those you're eager to free from "mind cages" are comfortable, or else they'd escape the mind cage into the next one, and so on and so forth.

For our minds need boundaries, else it would have no definition, no form, ergo no direction.

>>3123

Mouse Utopia experiment has stark parallels to modern society, although I wonder what those conducting the study took out of it, how the information gathered was used, or monetized.