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 No.2660 [Open Thread]

Found something interesting, I think it’s a good example of memetic warfare in the wild. The current mainstream economic narrative is that a collapsing China is causing negative contagion to the U.S markets.

I found these posts on reddit that all show a comparison between clean air over a western allies country and smog over China. The same image has been posted in the past with very similar titles, see below -

Submitted 4 years ago:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/ntjbz/took_off_from_australia_landed_in_china/

Submitted 3 years ago:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/15ptce/took_off_in_england_landed_in_china/

Submitted 2 months ago:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/3v55qv/departing_australia_arriving_in_china/

Submitted 3 hours ago:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/44rx7t/took_off_from_australia_landed_in_china/

And this is the most interesting one, it’s got the same title but a different image. The image is a comic, the final speech bubble says: “And that 4chan is where the devil makes potty”. Aside from none of it being funny or making sense, you end up reaching this last speech bubble and none of it really making much sense other than, perhaps, to connect this negative feeling (“4chan”, “devil”, “potty”) with the idea of the concept of China.

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 No.3704

>>2660

Memetics is just a juvenile term for Magick, symbols control everyone.

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 No.2193 [Open Thread]

Imagine that you live in a nation where the elite have no real allegiance to the people. So they import a new people and then manipulate them to subvert the original population.

How would you fight this? Are there good historical examples showing a native population that fought back and won?

>I'll probably expand or re-frame my question because I'm not sure I phrased that correctly but good enough for now. Pic unrelated

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 No.2620

>>2615

> Most people are approval seeking slaves, that would sooner tear apart anyone that tries to help them, than their masters.

Prove it

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 No.2632

>>2615

Are there any books you can recommend specifically about Northern Irish Politics/History? (Or just pan-Irish if that's all you have.) It's been an interest of mine, but I just haven't found the right "in" yet.

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 No.2633

>>2193

>So they import a new people and then manipulate them to subvert the original population

That only works when the new population comes from your population stock

Besides the irish example I would name the south-west united states: that land was all spain's and then mexico's, and the population there was heavily hispanic. Before the US-mexico was you had manifest destiny which was basically a scheme to get as many anglo/north-european to the area as possible in order to out-breed the hispanics (mostly southern europeans and native mexicans) out of the area, which is why the native population of the area which was technically mexico didn't rebel when under US rule, because they were mostly non-hispanics

If western-european leaders wanted to do this they would be much better off letting russians in. The average russian would sell his soul to the labor party, the greens, the socialist and any other party that gives them a EU passport.

The muslims they are letting in don't care about these liberal parties, in fact the favorite party for sweden muslims' is SD, a party most white swedes consider "extreme right" and "anti immigrant"

If anything the current immigration crisis in europe shows you what happens to a political class that lives so isolated they lose any connection with reality. A good parallel is the soviet leadership which lived such sheltered lives that they didn't see the looming economic problems and stagnation that ended up destroying the USSR. You had people like gorbachev who were so fucking oblivious to everything going on that when the berlin wall protests happened he gave no orders because he couldn't believe what was happening, so a bunch of unarmed germans were able to break the wall using hammers while soviet soldier just stood there watching

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 No.2642

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>>2620

>be britcuck

>see my country flooded with foreigners

>see foreigners given preference over our needy

>see eye-watering taxes and rent

>see limp-wristed metrosexuals belittle and mock the masses daily on tv and in the news

>get chastised by fellow plebs for pointing out how cucked we are

>number of cities in flames = 0

>number of smug metrosexuals lynched = 0

Civilization is feminizing. It used to take a Warlord to get Men to follow. Now most 'Men' just love to follow orders, and can be set against each other like women. They can't even control actual women!

Meanwhile, the rest of Nature fight for autonomy and survival 24/7. Animals will fight to the death in the blink of an eye to defend their territory.

Just try and explain that to the average Wagecuck coward.

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 No.3702

>>2620

tasteful quip tbh

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 No.7 [Open Thread]

From the /pol/ thread:

The problem is that we will always be reacting, and never forming the base reality. For any of this to work, we'd need to completely IGNORE the mainstream. Provide an alternate version of events whilst not screaming, "LOOK GUYS THIS IS AN ALTERNATE VERSION OF EVENTS".

Setting forth the notion that something is alternate only enforces the notion that what it's alternate from is legitimate.
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 No.2496

>>30

the "not a serious place" idea they are floating reminds me of the zeitgeist around video games. the message is it's for babies but speaking in pure financial terms, it's (i believe) a more lucrative business than film.

makes sense to trivialize valuable spheres so as to ward off idiot competitors

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 No.2497

>>167

this is the purpose of well executed self-deprecation humor. or really any charming reductionist humor. it has the lovely effect of not only addressing the concern the listener is probably dealing with consciously or subconsciously, not only disarming the concern, but in fact (when executed with an appropriate level of finesse) working in the favor of the speaker because we (as the unguarded listener) have enjoyed this display of self awareness and bow tying.

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 No.2498

>>180

i think we are over-estimating the Puppet Master's ability to wholesale create and under-estimating the Pupper Master's ability to improv with severe cleverness and with essentially limitless resources.

it would be easier to mold an already organic chanese to become what you want than to create a language tolken style

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 No.2709

>>180

>>183

Crazy thought, mostly for shits and giggles: what if the AI takeover already happened, and it acts through the veneer of a human "puppet master"? Most people only know of the redshields, etc through certain shadily aggregated information and second-hand research. And maybe the AI then produced highly complicated disinfo in the form of dissenting content and pushed it out to divert all potential threats into futile planning.

After all, if an AI had been created and were logical, limitless in resources, and quick with game theory, it would be the reasonable conclusion to game the system in an undetectable way.

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 No.3701

The word alternate is always going to play out as a secondary role, subject to what is presumed as the primary narrative. Which, seems to be "the mainstream", which is a powerful enough term as is. People are slaves to NLP tactics, so it's best to keep what you're pointing out in mind.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on."

I don't care for Churchill but this is a good quote.

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 No.2769 [Open Thread]

What does it mean!?

Can someone torture out an exact meaning of this quote? Is he talking about the PR industry or propaganda itself? The executive branch "makes sure the laws are obeyed" is one definition I've found, and in America it's composed of the president, departments and agencies*. If PR is the executive branch of invisible government, does that mean the PR heads are presidents of an invisible government?

*according to http://www.usconsulate.org.hk/pas/kids/executive.htm

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 No.2771

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>>2770

But the quote uses exact terms so it wouldn't seem to need a reinterpretation. He could have wrote 'propaganda is the protector of the invisible government'.

It might be how you say or not far off but I wonder if there's a specific meaning based on the choice of the words executive branch and propaganda.

The literal reading of it (to me) yields "Propaganda itself or the organised craft of propaganda, is the equivalent of the executive branch, but for the invisible government".

Then based on how someone defines the executive branch you get something like: A) 'Propaganda is authorised and responsible for the running of something (ie being the executive branch)...' or B) 'Propaganda is organised like the executive branch...' or C) 'Propaganda is the highest post...' of the invisible government.

There can't be many variations of this to see exactly what he's saying, if he is exactly saying something.

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 No.2798

>>2771

what I find more interesting is does this question imply that there are two other branches of this invisible government? What could they be?

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 No.2799

>>2798

yeah if the executive is meant for carrying out the laws, then theres the judicial branch who creates the laws, and lastly theres the judicial branch who evalates those laws, then who are these last two?

Maybe the answer depends on what the 'law' is that propaganda enforces, unless it's a superficial quote.

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 No.2800

>>2799

>judicial which creates the laws

should be legislative.

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 No.3697

>>2769

Propaganda, through the television, is the perhaps the primary means of control, it's created a radical change in behaviors and is weaning society off its instincts.

It decides the symbols in which people dream, embedding itself deep in the unconscious of the average person. Creating composite personalities and engineering new social dynamics.

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 No.1843 [Open Thread]

http://anolen.com/2014/11/16/the-banality-of-mind-control/

"What if all those MK ULTRA files that Helms burned were about shuffling the boards of media companies; or working with the Department of Education; or buying recording studios; or employing advertizing consultants? What if MK ULTRA was about the CIA turning itself into the best-organized political lobby ever?

Zimbardo and Andersen’s paper was first published in Cultic Studies Journal, 1984, Volume 1, Number 2. Philip Zimbardo himself was one of the National Academy of Science’s personal sources for their biography of Carl Hovland (Zimbardo was a student of Hovland’s before taking a professorship at Stanford in 1968); Zimbardo was also president of the American Psycological Association, an organization which gets a lot of (bad) play in the MK ULTRA saga. (The APA is currently involved in an ongoing CIA-torture scandal.)

On Resisting Social Influence is an abridged version of a report Zimbardo and Andersen did for the Office of Naval Research, a US military/private industry collaborative organization . (The Office of Naval Research funded Zimbardo’s famous– and creepy– ‘Prison Experiment‘ in 1971, shortly after he got his first professorship. It seems Zimbardo was well connected with the military from day one.)

I’m not saying Philip Zimbardo is necessarily a CIA asset himself, but he learned and worked in their milieu, so I think it would be prudent to carefully consider Zimbardo’s observations on ‘mind control':

Formidable quests to gain control over the human mind have often employed exotic technology. Exquisite torture devices, electroshock therapy, mind altering drugs, hypnosis, and sensory deprivation have all been used to get targeted persons to do the bidding of various agents and agencies of control. Indeed, these methods carry enough wallop to distort and sometimes destroy the mind’s normal functioning. But they are not adequate for the task of reliably directing behavior through specific scenarios as designated by would-be manipulators.

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 No.2792

>>2791

hi shill

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 No.2801

>>2792

A perfect example of who he was talking about.

Where's your proof he's a shill other than that you think his views are unpopular?

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 No.2803

>>2801

I see the same talking point: "your neighbour is a soulless and unfeeling automaton" come up a lot on this site, and it's the stuff the CIA agent Timothy Leary used to come out with; calling people short-haired robots and calling for a short vs long hair civil war.

In this hyper-segregated time where white people are put at odds with each other through countless sub-cultures and ideologies, I think any further call to that suggests the craftsmanship of a shill and agent provocateur, following a textbook divide and conquer strategy that they have so well achieved already.

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 No.2805

>>1843

>>1854

Very interesting. Too bad the site seems to have been wiped out of content.

>vulnerability to manipulation is inversely proportional to the belief that one can be manipulated

That's true. There are a lot of people out there who underestimate their capacity of being manipulated. Pretty much everyone...

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 No.3696

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>>2791

This is a great take on the subject.

In movies, mind-control was touched on more-so in the past, consider science-fiction. The concept became alluded to the robotiziation of a person, a exaggerated parody of subservience.

The reality of mind control is it's much more gentle, it's like getting swept into an ocean consisting of popular opinion.

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 No.235 [Open Thread]

Would trying to hasten the global economic collapse be beneficial for us?

We know that within the current paradigm and societal structure, it is incredibly easy for the elite to manipulate the masses towards their goals.

This must surely become more difficult in times of chaos. Too many variables to consider, and too many problems to deal with.

On the other hand, collapse might be part of their goal, and might even be deliberately orchestrated in order to bring in the next stage of their plan.

Whatever the case - they are certainly preparing for a collapse (militarization of police, etc), and with a global economy that relies on infinite growth, using finite resources, we must logically eventually reach stagnation and collapse.

It should have happened in the 2008 financial crisis, but they bought more time with the bank bailouts.

So should we hasten it? Perhaps the sooner the better?
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 No.2313

>>2312

Ok first you need to stop posting those pol-tier memes here, that goes double for leftypol and their unfunny tryhard marxists memes

Second, this:

>the elite always "play all sides" in order to ensure whatever outcome occurs is beneficial to them.

Not really, there are plenty of elites that fall from grace, you just don't hear about them because once they become too poor to be considered elites they vanish into obscurity. There are plenty of elite families that were around a century ago of which you wont hear about now.

Third: there isn't a plan, the difference is that the elites have due to their position and resources, far better access to inside information and connections in key places which allows them to maneuver during a situation like this.

There isn't a better example than the soviet elite despite lacking the wealth of the western elites they were still able to foresee the rapid changes in the USSR and benefit from them by acquiring state-owned companies at a fraction of the price before anyone else could notice the discrepancies.

There isn't "A PLAN", the elites are just improvising most of the time, they just have a far greater ability to do so than the common man, but even them some elites don't make it

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 No.2315

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>>2313

>Ok first you need to stop posting those pol-tier memes here

I'll post whatever memes I want to newfriend. I'm sure we're all adult enough here not to get upset about them.

>There isn't a better example than the soviet elite

You again misunderstand, and reveal your own ignorance.

I'm not talking about the elites of specific countries like Russia, or even about the 0.01% richest people in the world.

I am talking about the globalist and occultist banking elite who consist of only a dozen or so well connected families and number in only the thousands.

>Not really, there are plenty of elites that fall from grace, you just don't hear about them because once they become too poor to be considered elites they vanish into obscurity.

The true elite don't even have need for money, because every dollar printed globally is an IOU to them, because they control almost every government globally, and because either directly or indirectly own most of the land and physical assets on the planet.

>There isn't "A PLAN", the elites are just improvising most of the time

How can you believe this when the evidence to the contrary is everywhere.

Why is leftism and globalism being pushed everywhere? From the top down by elite controlled societies and groups like the CFR, Bilderberg group, UN, EU, etc.

Why is internet censorship being pushed? Why are freedoms being eroded? Why is literally everything that could happen which will result in the elite further entrenching their position happening?

Do you seriously think this is all just some coincidence?

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 No.2452

You guys don't get it. EU was created with one goal: declaring economic war on US. Financial crisis was done on purpose of weakening EU to such a degree that it will split up and Euro currency will cease to exist not being a viable competition for US anymore. US printed all the money they needed for bailouts and so much more for military research and by comparison EU (Germany really) forced all the countries to tighten their fiscal politics causing to this day over 25% youth unemployment in spain, greece, south italy ... not to mention how really fucked these countries' budgets are.

And right now "immigrantion" problem into the Germany, you think that these "immigrants" acually did it all by themselves? There were proofs that George Soros is behind it. ISIS was created by US and Israel. Middle east revolutions/wars are couple of years old already.

US doesn't want any competition and Soros, I'm sure he leveraged every cent he had for euro collapse, will make tens of billions on it.

Chinese markets in 2015? US again. I bet they were pumping them for years with all the money they printed and when the time came they just started to sell.

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 No.2817

>>497

>implying that actually works.

>what is logic in electronics

All this will accomplish is to trigger a fault on a control panel somewhere and make manual crossing activation impossible.

The lights won't repeatedly go to cross because the button was never released to reset the cycle.

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 No.3695

It's certainly not up to us to hasten it, but it seems to do so would be in the interest of the ruling class, with their luxury underground bunkers and what not.

I'm coming around to think those in power just want a reset, and the economy crashing would be in their favor as much of the population would likely starve throughout a war.

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 No.2485 [Open Thread]

Common themes of:

Socialism (poor, uneducated), Christianity (meek, sick, lost, helpless), Political Correctness/mass immigration ("minorities"), University campus SJW (poor kids with little power that are easy to confuse/brainwash), Feminism (weaker sex), Black Lives Matter (uneducated/poor), Rules for Radicals book (attached), etc

Are all movements that gather and unite masses of poor, uneducated, often stupid "Have Nots" and set them to work against existing power structures / healthy, strong, rich, intelligent segments of society.

Another interesting common thread to these is that almost all are originated from a Jewish source. Whether it be Saul (st Paul re-writing what Jesus meant for his own ends), or Saul the author of "Rules for Radicals", or George Soros funding/organizing: black lives matter and mass immigration to EU, etc

And none of these movements are active in Israel.

Wanting your ideas and constructive criticism.

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 No.2828

>>2493

https://dissidentright.com/2015/12/09/victimization-as-power/

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 No.2831

>>2828

That...is a high quality website. Who runs it? Anyone of note?

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 No.2832

This is the main jewish modus operandi but they have others such as divide and conquering the strong.

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 No.2833

It's just basic crowd psychology. Hitler used it too. Every politician does. If you can strip x group of individuals down to y degenerated traits in the eyes of the crowd you can convince the idiots to do anything for you. Why do you think Trump has built his entire campaign rallying against the 'establishment'? It's not even a delineated term: if you asked a hundred average voters what qualifies as 'establishment' you'd get a hundred answers. Hell, just by me typing that you'll likely see a hundred different answers in this thread as people from both the right and the left get asshurt at me.

Read Gustave le Bon.

And avoid the crowd.

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 No.3694

>>2485

Collectivism is always going to exist, and it'll forever stir in the lower class who will naturally have antagonistic views toward the upper.

Perhaps jews utilize this as a means to power, democracy pulls a lot of weight.

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 No.3693 [Open Thread]

How as 9/11 perpetrated? Does anyone on /32/ know about Judy Wood's theories?

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 No.2041 [Open Thread]

World Banks Dominate while pretend enemies "war"

He looks up in admiration at a portrait of Big Brother, Winston feels he has at least ended his "stubborn, self-willed exile" from the love of Big Brother

So do you believe the official narratives? That Russia is at some perpetual war with USA and that shifting alliances are real and that the wars are real?

Why do you think police get militarized and there is so much research into controlling peoples minds but so little curing common diseases?

Well of course those ppm of toxins that destroy your body are for your safety. Nevermind that these toxins could be removed to 0ppb in your food and water but are not.

It isn't even about profit. Why would it be? Who creates the money and prints the debt? Anyway. Here is some news about Oceania.

US military officials are loudly bragging about their latest initiative to reassure Europe, a program that was called, unlikely enough, the European Reeassurance Initiative (ERI), and which to this point has involved moving a lot of sand around, and building some roads in rural parts of several Baltic states.

ERI is nominally the latest in a long line of programs the Obama Administration has announced to “combat Russian aggression,” and which are meant to build up nations along the Russian frontier to support massive US military deployments to spite Russia.

The plans are often ill-conceived, as the US idea to deploy huge amounts of tanks into several of these countries ran into problems because the tanks are stored in swampy areas where the mud makes it virtually impossible to drive a tank, and NATO has taken to having to “ship” those tanks back and forth to their various anti-Russia photo ops.

In this regard, ERI is trying to be the solution for the military-created problem, hauling thousands of tonnes of sand into those swampy areas to build “tank trails” that they can drive the tanks through, along with roads to support the infrastructure for the NATO operations in the area.

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 No.2357

>>2346

That's an interesting read. They don't say they're living in a post-war era (although it may well be), but they're looking at the possibility of permanent peace.

As far as I can tell they reach the conclusion that society is based on war, that the threat of war provides the society with a base level of impetus and that the military performs vital social functions that would need to be replaced in a world without war, or before such a world could come into being.

It's quite funny, it calls the army a welfare institution for men unsuitable for a legitimate job in commerce or production and points out the historical use of the military in press ganging or drafting when unemployment is very high. I guess the world is making headway to a world without war if societies no longer need to draft their young men in times of high unemployment.

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 No.3131

>>2346

Report from Iron Mountain is real. It is a government doc. They retroactively tried to discredit it. Denying origin of document is called counter intelligence (spreading disinformation).

The lower classes are not supposed to know what their betters think of them (that they are human cattle). The ruling elite all read Platos Republic in grade school.

You do not understand how the system works and how ancient it is.

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 No.3132

Constant war with some vague far off enemy is one of the pillars of 1984

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 No.3148

>>2346

>As far as I know it's a hoax

I bet you think the protocols are fake too.

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 No.3692

>>3132

It's very important to keep men occupied somehow, it's about appropriating the war instinct, this is what video-games tend to do.

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 No.3461 [Open Thread]

https://academic.oup.com/mnras/article-lookup/doi/10.1093/mnras/stx517

TL;DR

http://inhabitat.com/scientists-capture-first-ever-image-of-dark-matter-web-that-connects-galaxies/

But wait, didn't some one already have a theory that predicted something quite similar without stooping to make up some imaginary form of matter to cover an abyss in logic?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birkeland_current

Obviously there are some gaping logical flaws in astronomy, mostly related to the assumption of the 'principle of uniformitarianism'.

I think at a certain point you have to admit that 'academic' science exists solely to suppress all innovation that can't be completely controlled by the present dominant forces of the economy.

Anyone else have any interesting examples?

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 No.3691

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>3461

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 No.3354 [Open Thread]

So it seems at this stage that all groups are vulnerable to retreating to their little ponds seeking only what truth suits them. Our media and information networks seem now designed to favour this. Fake news is not something only the left or right contend with. Disinformation shows astonishing prevalence in the current setting a news headline dropped may contain no truth whatsoever and may still yield reaction from whatever groups may be targeted. All groups are vulnerable /pol/'s memetics though advanced at propagation are rather limited in terms of truth detection however since they particularly 8ch's particular subset of it have some goal in mind this seems less able to disrupt them unless they are managed in such a way as to yield the desired results such as in the recent doxxings 8pol was involved in versus the right stuff. Their findings invariably brought them some vindication but in the process set back their goals somewhat too potentially. That said my concern is a question to all of those who remain here. How does one parse out disinformation to acquire the truth no matter how troublesome to any narrative set including /pol/'s. How does one see what is true and what must be rejected as simply a convenient lie given that we exist in a post modernist nightmarescape of subjectivity and relativism.

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 No.3387

>>3356

>We'll also get raided with more porn because of the new embeds. That's more psychological warfare right on this site.

Good point

>The effort it seems is to eliminate the center and induce a state of polarity in everyone.

The Hegelian dialectic is so effective it staggers the imagination. Even if people know it happening they still tolerate it.

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 No.3390

>>3387

>The Hegelian dialectic is so effective it staggers the imagination. Even if people know it happening they still tolerate it.

Well if I may, what is the Hegelian Dialectic?

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 No.3392

>>3390

For the sake of conciseness: Thesis + Antithesis = Synthesis

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 No.3398

>>3392

I really wish you weren't preaching conciseness over actual understanding right now

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 No.3690

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>>3357

2+2=3, the state's endgame is to create an unreality by forcing falsities as politically correct doctrine, their lies and their lies alone will be accept as truth.

Creating polarity is a means to this, it'll come to converge with artificial crises imparted by the state.

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 No.1749 [Open Thread]

Absolute guide to understanding politics

This guide will set you up so that you can by yourself learn more about politics.

Theology>Philosophy>Politics

This is the basic triarchial process. Any dogma or anti-dogma becomes rationalized philosophy, which then is applied into culture and then politics. Politics are applied philosophy. Philosophy is rationalized theology. Not all theology is converted into philosophy, just as not all philosophy is converted into politics. But they sure are each other's foundations.

Now there are some demarcations you can follow. There are two basic clasifications which, confusingly enough, run parallel. One clasification is horizontallity (theology, philosophy, politics) and the other classification is vertical (metaphysics, antimetaphysis and ametaphysics).

First, it all starts with theology. Theology is how man interprets its being and self and its relation with what is outside himself. There are two basic metaphysic "schools": traditional trascendentalism, and gnosticism.

Traditional trascendentalism is zoroastrianism, traditional catholicism/orthodoxy, and shi'a muslims. They believe that as there is a creation, there must be a creator god. You are saved by a combination of faith and good deeds.

The other theological school is gnosticism, which has the widest array of theological and spiritual beliefs. Hinduism, Egyptian/Baal/babilonic sun worship, Wahabi islam, New Age, Judaism, Freemasonry, Illuminism, Neopaganism and a myriad of different modern cults/sects.

The key difference between both is that gnosticism believes salvation does not come from god, but from mankind itself. In gnosticism the supreme being (person) is antagonized by the demiurge (god) which must both fight each other. God wants to submit Man, and Man must fight God to obtain their freedom, to uncover what they knew as GNOSIS, the ultimate form of knowledge which could make Man no longer need God, because they would be a sort of god themselves with the help of supreme knowledge.

But not everything is theological and suprarrational, and while the ancient religions and the mysticism in new age stuff assumes Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.3312

>>3311

sounds like its Marxism by another name. Someone better get on this commie bastad before he opens a maelstrom of simulacrum and reality that no one can snap out of.

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 No.3313

>>3305

when I said "philosophy, as such" I meant philosophy in the sense it is usually taken in the west. see Descartes for a prime example (he basically starts off by denying everything but his own individual mind). that link you posted is silly - "it is no longer possible to define metaphysics that way.." metaphysics cannot change. just reading the beginning section, this is quite absurd...

this article should clear things up if you care to read it:

http://www.studiesincomparativereligion.com/public/articles/Oriental_Metaphysics-by_Rene_Guenon.aspx

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 No.3315

>>3307

>>3311

>>3312

You guys are being hostile for no real reason. Simply put, metaphysics is the the laws above physical laws. In secular terms, it would be the "root law" from which all other "instantiated laws" flow/derive, in non-secular terms, it would be the divine substratum of existence.

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 No.3321

>>3315

I guess but there's been about a half-dozen contradicting descriptions of it so far.

One guy thinks it includes ideals like 'family' and 'nation', another says its about the first principles of the universe, while another says it goes beyond existence in its questioning. Now you say it's the actual laws that preceeded the universe, the divine basis for the universe; laws above physical laws, which make it seem more important than observable physics, and a kind of religion.

>>3313

>this article should clear things up if you care to read it.

>"...it should be made clear in what sense the word “metaphysics” is used, all the more so since I have frequently had occasion to state that everyone does not understand it in the same way. I think the best course to take with words that can give rise to ambiguity is to reduce them, as far as possible, to their primary and etymological meaning. Now, according to its composition, this word “metaphysics” means literally “beyond physics,” taking the word “physics” in the accepted meaning it always had for the ancients, that is as the “science of nature” in its widest sense. Physics is the study of all which appertains to the domain of nature; metaphysics, on the other hand, is the study of what lies beyond nature. How then can some claim that metaphysical knowledge is natural knowledge, either in respect of its object, or with regard to the faculties by which it is obtained? There we have a complete misconception, a contradiction in terms..."

Make of that what you will.

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 No.3688

>>3315

Agreed, metaphysics is often not defined properly, Aristotle intended it as ‘the science of things transcending what is physical or natural.’ from what I understand.

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 No.369 [Open Thread]

This has to be one of the most intelligent boards on 8chan right now. I'm very glad I've found this board.

Anyway, what does /32/ feel about Master Suppression techniques?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_suppression_techniques
Are there any missing from this list? Any clear cut examples to show? How do we reverse the effects?

Picture unrelated, nothing in my folders are related.
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 No.373

>>371
Thank you, I didn't know this. I came here by browsing >>>/boards/ I believe you made a thread advertising it.
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 No.375

Trying to fool your own microexpression and reading other people's thoughts with it. Kind of like Walden two.
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 No.458

>>372
Did you ever find the original 9 techniques?
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 No.3203

File: d34848e108ebb3c⋯.pdf (143.38 KB,forms-of-domination.pdf)

yes i found a pdf on combating MSTs

there's a pic somewhere floating around explaining how "check your privilege" is all MSTs rolled into one

here's how to combat it

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 No.3687

>>369

I haven't heard this term before, but supposedly insulting your opponent tends to be very effective for the broad audience, as it's an appeal to mammalian qualities.

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 No.3683 [Open Thread]

Are dreams a nonsensical phenomenon, random neurons firing to create random surrealist imagery?

If so, how does one explain precognitive dreaming? Supposedly this is a thing, and aside from my own experience, I've heard many other accounts.

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 No.3682 [Open Thread]

What is it, and what does it really mean? Does everybody get one?

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