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edac4e  No.760[Last 50 Posts]

Ask your on-topic questions in this thread! Try to keep it here and don't start threads just to ask questions.

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95eae1  No.769

>>760

How can I shoot fireballs?

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edac4e  No.770

>>769

You have to be level 2. 6 if you're a vampire.

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3f0ccb  No.774

Is there any good way "learn" how to visualize imagery if you otherwise seemingly cannot? I have a friend who says he can't visualize imagery, but he's trying to learn to draw, so obviously it's a big problem for him.

It's hard to relate when image visualization is something I've done myself for so long, so I don't feel like any of the advice I could give him is helpful.

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edac4e  No.775

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>>774

>he's trying to learn to draw

Tell him to practice drawing still lifes and live models a lot, over time he'll be able to combine previously learned shapes and build his own images and learn some kind of visualization. You have to grind, there's no miracle solution.

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d46046  No.778

How does it do? And what does it are?

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940f52  No.782

>>778

It does what it must and it is what it will become.

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edac4e  No.785

>>782

It needs to get its shit together, if it spams the board it will be banned.

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a63de1  No.786

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Hey, I was invited and told I should post this here.

Yesterday I found 4 ambiguous symbols (Like letters of an obscure language) inscribed in concrete by fire that I hadn’t seen before. The person I was with called it demonic, even though she isn’t religious. I felt a foreboding presence, although not very threatening. I lean Christian (semi Gnostic, sin is merely “missing the mark,” everyone is God, believing Christ represents an archetype to strive towards and that the entire Bible is allegorical for psychology and spirituality, yadda yadda) and jokingly gestured the cross, like in Orthodoxy, before walking on. While sleeping, I felt the presence of something with a child’s body (except it was like a shadow) with childlike innocence, bearing the capacity of evil from a place of immaturity. It didn’t seem capable of exacting much harm and was quiet and reserved. The location of the inscription became a cave that had been disturbed by people ERPing as satanists, who had drawn a pentagram by the entrance and carried in an altar. The child came from the side of entities that they tried to worship, but the child had little interest in them despite being disturbed by them (the cave was probably its dwelling place). Another spiritual presence, the soul of a senile (probably dead) intellectual who liked Swedenborg appeared to warn me of its intentions, seeming like he was familiar with it. The child began trying to merge with me through my right shoulder, and the old man, trying to stop the demon in his senility, also began merging with my right shoulder. At this point I was paralyzed with insane amounts of vibration, colored blue and white, slowly spreading from my right shoulder. Somehow calmly, I suddenly received the thought to call on God to ask for help with loving them. I began feeling love for them, which stopped them from merging with me. Both of them were touched by love and became grateful that I stopped them. I remember the senile man thanking me through a powerpoint akin to what academics make, but his senility was apparent (the final slide listed the year as 2016.5 while he tried to use the current date). I got out of bed effortlessly (at 3am). 18 hours later, I felt as lucid as I did then and hadn’t eaten or drank anything for the entire day, despite doing physical work, because I felt fully energized for the entire day. Some point afterwards, the child revealed it was female.

How can I interpret all of this?

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edac4e  No.788

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>>786

Welcome.

I found a lot of symbolism in what you wrote and many similarities to my own experiences, things gained through spiritual practice and the general lore of this place right here. Your post is like a hodgepodge of the core of the things discussed on this board. Some of it is of a private nature (such as dreams and meditations) not suited for imageboards but there's enough here in the open for someone to see it if looking.

It felt like a sign of some sort and gave me a feeling you belong here. If it's not too much, may I suggest you skim some of the threads on here:

>>2

>>3

>>97

>>38

>>187

It may be easier than the (by now) close to futile task of trying to write a TL:DR. It's something you have to feel yourself to understand.

It's a movement, a path to change.

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faeaa9  No.789

>>788

Thank you very much for your warm response and introducing me. I agree with you that it feels like a sign. Your post immediately gave me a strange feeling that was somewhat euphoric, akin to >>295.

In addition, Eastern media has kind of forced its way into my life in the past 3 years as a source of understanding truth (through the people I’ve met and various experiences). In particular, Touhou has been repeatedly appearing in my life throughout this year even though I know next to nothing about it.

I’ve actually read/mostly skimmed nearly all of the posts on this board before you responded and am not sure what the next step is. I was going to go into talking about how I meditate often, reach pure awareness of being, have some success manifesting things solely through imagination, etc, but that feels unimportant. Like you said, it feels like there’s a higher purpose to me being guided here that can perhaps become more clear by expressing willingness to understand it.

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edac4e  No.790

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>>789

What we do here is very "practice" focused, so a natural next step would be to perform a visualization attempting to visit the meeting room and asking for an interaction with Yuuka, our guide and mascot.

>Your post immediately gave me a strange feeling that was somewhat euphoric

The egregore itself was built for practice purposes originally unrelated to imageboards. Many different deities took part in the sessions which lead up to the point before its public introduction, most notably ancient greek deities and mythical creatures along with, to a lesser degree the egyptian pantheon.Throughout all of this however, Yuuka and varies other witches from the world of Touhou, "the eastern way", took part in leading the sessions from the astral, making up for the things we as humans could not know.

Strong energy has been imbued in the egregore during the process which brought it to the top of the "tower of Babel", the metaphysical location where all peoples of the world can cooperate over cultural and language barriers.

If you are able to sync with this purpose, you will feel it.

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824088  No.803

I think I am lost.

Thinking that something big might happen or I'm just imagining things.

It could be political, the virus, or "why this site exist until now" but it could be that all were connected but the problem is the nature of the events (malevolent or benevolent).

My question: What's a good way to cast away doubt? Or doubting is better I guess?

>>774

Voluntary nystagmus.

Lucid dream. >>698

There's also that enhanced vision part before and after sleeping.

I used to play a lot of mobile chess and at one point I started to imagine the board to play against myself. I was able to go up to 15 moves (or less) until I lost track. I guess it takes a lot of focus, there's people who could play chess that way through mail or voice, even blindfolded. Similarly, there are people who could hear music by just reading music sheet.

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344e98  No.807

>>790

I did as you said and followed the instructions in the other threads to try and visit your egregore. I’m not sure if I actually did or if I just imagined the whole thing, but I apologize for making an ass out of myself if I actually did end up there! I have so little experience with this that I feel like I’m still there even though I tried to leave after bidding farewell. Should I talk about the experience now or wait until the end of the week to post about it on the other thread?

>>803

Not who you responded to, but thanks for the visualization advice!

To your question, I know exactly what you’re talking about and know other people who’ve had false expectations too. I’m lay in comparison to other posters here, but in case you’d still appreciate my insight, I’ll share it.

If it’s false, the pattern seems to be that you want to delude yourself to make up for something that isn’t there. That doesn’t mean it won’t ever happen, if you’re trying to manifest something it just means that your work isn’t finished. If it’s true, the expectation persists in spite of doubt. Eventually it becomes a knowing that it’s true, and you don’t even have any capacity to doubt.

Specifically in your case, it sounds like you’re curious whether your experiences were meant to happen. I thoroughly believe they are, and you’ll likely have more experiences that bring their significance to light. I often find myself only understanding these things in relation to other experiences to find that they’re hammering a certain theme/motif.

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edac4e  No.811

>>807

Sharing on weekends is only for the organized sessions, to avoid effecting other anons' perception.

Just using the temple/meeting room is anytime. Share it if you want feedback.

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8a565d  No.815

>>811

Thanks. I’ve posted it at >>812. Can also provide a tl;dr if preferred

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824088  No.817

>>807

I appreciate the insight.

Now I have a clear vision that what I have to do is prepare for the forecasts of each scenarios which can be done. I'm waiting for the first swing of the pendulum, whether that "OP" delivers or not.

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6fba46  No.835

Hello, I've developed over the years a skill witch i don't see many people talk about in occult subjects. if i concentrate i can raise a heat, it feels realy good it's better than normal heat, but it affects the physical body, i've tested in thermometers and have shown to some close people, i can do it to the hole body or individual parts. If I do it on the hands i can cure people, not anything like miracle, just take away some pain, make them go into a deep relaxing sleep, and if I do it in the hole body, I somehow boost my charisma, people are really more open to me, and sometimes get very needy, like i can cure them. This charisma part I've used very little because it get me realy sore and dread.

I usually just lurk on boards but recently something happened that shaked me, I was visiting a mother's friend and her husband wes in bed with terminal cancer waiting for death, i used my thing and he passed away as I left the their house, this happened, nov 2019.

If you know anything or seem anything related to this please answaer, what is this, I've a lot of other questions in the same topic.

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b2b572  No.836

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>>835

Read:

>The Energy Cure - Unraveling the Mystery of Hands-On Healing

>>384

>pdf related

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c9973a  No.841

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Decided to ask here instead of starting a dedicated thread, as I don't think it would be appropriate to, but what do you guys think of Gnosticism? It obviously isn't a monolithic belief system and the early communities had a wide variety of beliefs, but what do you guys think of it in general? Do certain beliefs from it have merit or not? Is the physical realm a "prison", or if not that negative then perhaps simply inferior to higher realms? I read in another thread here that physical reality is like a crack in a sidewalk or something of the sort. I've also heard statements about how this physical plane is just a sort of cocoon where we develop and grow into higher dimensional beings like larvae into butterflies (Grant Morrison holds to this view). What about the archons? And so on and so forth.

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b2b572  No.842

>>841

Things aren't one thing or another. Whenever you encounter two contrary views on the same topic, try to find a view that reconciles them.

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edac4e  No.843

>>841

>what do you guys think of Gnosticism?

My opinion? A hinduism rip-off made by someone too afraid to officially go hindu in a christian country. Something that perverts christianity and supports cowardice. Like if you wanna be a hindu just say so and convert. Taqiyya is only for cowards in islam, real religious followers will stand by their faith until death.

I don't like it.

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bdaec6  No.844

>>841

It's too wide of a range of topics, and I have little interest in exploring all of them. But from what I've read and interacted with it's dogmatic and isn't that good of a system of thought to work with. Does it provide anything other than the possible assurance that this reality is fake and unimportant? The same assurance can be thought of as a trap, and the simple belief in this type of thinking would be all that's needed to fall into it. It looks like a very dangerous way of thinking.

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b2b572  No.845

>>843

By the time Gnosticism appeared, Hinduism was barely a thing in India. Besides, they are nothing alike. Such a display of ignorance.

If at least you’d have said Buddhism, your post might be salvageable, but cmon kid.

>>841

Learn about Platonism in some depth (don’t just Google it). It might offer you a different perspective to understand Gnosticism. In the end, whether reality is a prison or a school is a matter of perspective.

You can separate all religions into two camps: those that are older, organic and heterogeneous, and the ones that were created as control systems for the populace, and are either complete fabrications or distorsions of the former kind. Study as many as you can and you will eventually see the big picture.

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edac4e  No.846

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>>845

>By the time Gnosticism appeared, Hinduism was barely a thing in India.

>Such a display of ignorance.

>Hinduism has been called the oldest religion in the world,[note 2] and some practitioners and scholars refer to it as Sanātana Dharma, "the eternal tradition", or the "eternal way", beyond human history.[4][5] Scholars regard Hinduism as a fusion[note 3] or synthesis[6][note 4] of various Indian cultures and traditions,[7][note 5] with diverse roots[8][note 6] and no founder.[9] This "Hindu synthesis" started to develop between 500 BCE and 300 CE,[10] after the end of the Vedic period (1500 to 500 BCE),[10][11] and flourished in the medieval period, with the decline of Buddhism in India.[12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism

>Gnosticism (from Ancient Greek: γνωστικός gnōstikós, Koine Greek: [ɡˠnos.tiˈkos], "having knowledge") is a collection of ancient religious ideas and systems which originated in the first century AD among early Christian and Jewish sects.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism

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c9973a  No.848

>>843

I think there's more nuance to it than that. It seems more like the emergence of Gnosticism coincided with early Christianity as an Hellenistic religion with origins in Platonic philosophy that later used Jewish and Christian imagery to win converts as Christianity became more popular. Many surviving Gnostic texts hardly even mention Jesus, if they do at all. Christianity hadn't spread far and wide when the Gnostic Christians came into the picture. Manichaeism especially had at one point been a major competitor to Christianity. Gnosticism was just much more "exclusive", so to speak. They saw themselves as the ones possessing the true secret doctrine for those that were capable of grasping it.

>>845

He's right, Hinduism is definitely older. He's probably talking about how every soul comes from a single absolute principle in Hinduism called Brahman, and Gnosticism is similar in that all souls come from the Pleroma, and the goal in both is to return to it. As far as I know, the similarities more or less end there, aside from beliefs common to most religions (e.g. divinities and demons).

>>844

If nothing else, I at least find it interesting as lore. I think they have some beliefs which have merit, like the three types of humans (explains NPCs pretty well) and such. Whether they're right about all that other stuff is another matter.

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b2b572  No.849

>>846

Hinduism: started to develop between -500 and 300. Flourished IN THE MEDIEVAL PERIOD.

Gnosticism: originated between 1 and 100.

I can’t simplify it further for you. If you are unable to understand even these two simple lines of text, there’s no hope for you.

At least stop spouting childish nonsense like >>843 please. It’s insulting.

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b2b572  No.851

>>849

To further explain my point: Gnosticism is a label that was applied to proto-Christianism once it was hijacked by the Church in order to turn it into a control mechanism for the masses (same thing happened in the creation of Islam, and yes, Hinduism, which are artificial and neutered religions).

They share commonalities because the truth is one and it could be that they share a common root. However, what we know as Gnosticism has its roots in prehistory, while Hinduism was a construct for social control. In a way, you got it backwards.

>>846

>copies and pastes from wikipedia

>retarded chinese cartoons

If you don't know how to read or write you shouldn't be here.

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edac4e  No.852

>>849

I knew you wouldn't be able to accept that you were wrong, because your type will always try to discard information that doesn't confirm your ingorant view. Let's read that again shall we?

>Hinduism has been called the oldest religion in the world,[note 2] and some practitioners and scholars refer to it as Sanātana Dharma, "the eternal tradition", or the "eternal way", beyond human history.[4][5] Scholars regard Hinduism as a fusion[note 3] or synthesis[6][note 4] of various Indian cultures and traditions,[7][note 5] with diverse roots[8][note 6] and no founder.[9] This "Hindu synthesis" started to develop between 500 BCE and 300 CE,[10] after the end of the Vedic period (1500 to 500 BCE),[10][11] and flourished in the medieval period, with the decline of Buddhism in India.[12]

That part here

>Scholars regard Hinduism as a fusion or synthesis of various Indian cultures and traditions, with diverse roots and no founder. This "Hindu synthesis" started to develop between 500 BCE and 300 CE

The ideas already existed before 500 BC, and started forming into Hinduism by that time. Christianity was founded by Jesus around the year 0, which is 500 years later.

>Gnosticism is a collection of ancient religious ideas and systems which originated in the first century AD among early Christian and Jewish sects.

The first century is in the years 0-100. By this time hinduism in the form we know it, had already been forming for 500 years, while christianity as a whole consisted of persecuted underground cults and was less than 100 years old. The ideas of hinduism were still older than this, older than 500 years before gnosticism was even beginning to form. We are not talking of some well known folk religion either as christianity existed in hiding at the time. The "ancientness" of gnosticism refers to this period, which is centuries newer than the modern form of indian religion known as hinduism, which already existed before this.

It's likely that the ideas which resulted in the gnostic view of christianity was influenced by these really ancient beliefs brought in from India. It doesn't take much to see this influence by looking at the ideas presented.

For this reason, gnosticism is a perversion of christianity and a rip off of hinduism.

But go on, prove the cancerous nature of gnosticism by misunderstanding this again, I expect nothing less.

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edac4e  No.853

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>>851

>If you don't know how to read or write you shouldn't be here.

When your statement can be disproven with publicly available and non-contoversial information there is no need to go deeper. I didn't see you attempt to disprove the actual information I posted, all you did was to twist the meaning a bit. This shows you have nothing to back up your view.

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f694c9  No.854

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>>841

I like to study a lot and learn about as much as possible, then cut away all the unnecessary fat and only keep the pure meat of that system. Then combine all the puzzle pieces into one big picture. What I find most of the time is that the pure meat is more or less the same for all good spiritual systems/religions and by learning one system I understand another system better. They have all the same core leading to the same one truth but sadly it is always burried under a lot of unimportant shit and silly dogmas. Gnosticism is for me one of the "superior occultism" schools and in Gnosticism it is especially easy to see the pure core.

>Is the physical realm a "prison", or if not that negative then perhaps simply inferior to higher realms?

Just open your eyes and decide for yourself. I mean for me it's clear, you just look at the physical realm and it sucks. It already sucks by default and sucks a million times harder if you compare it to the higher and purer realms. But you make your own oppinion after properly studying Gnosticism and a lot of other ways and compare them, extract all the pure meat and complete the big picture for yourself.

You asked for oppinions and that's what this is, just my oppinion.

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f694c9  No.855

>>854

Ah, I forgot to add something.

Is the material realm a prison or school? It is both! It's the shithole of the universe incubator that created you and let's you grow until you are strong enough to survive on your own. But at that point it would probably be better just to free yourself from it and leave to higher planes of existance.

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bdaec6  No.856

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>>852

>The first century is in the years 0-100

Technically between 1-100.

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24864c  No.861

Hi, I'm pretty sure I just ended up with a magic phone but I have no fucking clue what to do with it, I fucked up the ritual so it doesn't have the number, but I know it's for me because the name was for a dead lady who used to live where I used to live. What do?

That or anyone wanna buy a mysterious Samsung a20? $200 plus whatever shipping is to your place.

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b19c4d  No.862

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Can anyone tell me more about the concept of "higher self" and why it wouldn't be bullshit? I never liked the idea of it, the context around it when the term is used often seems like bullshit and doesn't match with what I know so far but that may just be because it's used by people that have no idea what they're talking about and thus use it inappropriately.

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f694c9  No.863

>>862

It's your true self as opposed to the fake matrix persona you think you are now. It's not you from the future but much more advanced or anything like that. I think a good example is that you are the character in a videogame and the higher self is the actual player. In a sense, both are you but only the higher self is real.

You need to unite with it or become it, but you can do that now without having to go through hundrets of reincarnations or some bullshit like that. I think the higher self is just your spirit, speaking in gnostic terms while your mundane matrix persona is only a combination of body and soul. It's your innermost core, your truest self and your highest wisdom. It exists in the past, present and future and at all times but for the higher self there is actually no past or future, only the present or the Now. All past and future lifes are but parallel lifes from the perspective of the higher self. All running at the same time and all can be accessed by the higher self as often as it wants and whenever it wants. Of course every life is it's own character that is bound to it's individual lifetime, that would be a normal unenlightened human. I guess your higher self is the higher self of every single other human too. And technically it is indeed true that we are all one, only when we are stuck in the character role do we think we are individuals. Shift your perspective from character to the higher self and you will become it. I think this is what Gnosis and Enlightenment and Immortality is all about. Then you can manifest in any life of any person at any time in existence that you want, or just stay away from incarnation at all.

I'm just speculating from what I've learned but I think this stuff is not so far off from truth.

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edac4e  No.864

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>>862

Personally I could never understand what it was for when used by new agers and yoga hippies, but that was probably because they didn't know what the fuck they were talking about. A general description will probably do until you feel a need to resort to the word from a lack of better terms to describe something self experienced.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_self

I don't know your background but my reason for not understanding it was because of coming from a christian tradition with some interest in buddhism and taoism. All of these have in common that they focus on the individual and a relation to something external or internal which doesn't in any way change your worldview. Christians start believing in Jesus/Mary/God, buddhistists start working on enlightenment which is rather passive and personal and taoists start trying to understand the universe. They all maintain the idea of "self" in a conventional manner, in the form of the soul, the mind and the body. Christians save the soul, buddhists the mind and taoists want to become physically immortal. I know this is making it simple but that's how I see it.

If you adhere to any of these, a "higher self" isn't needed.

When/if you get the point when these religious views are no longer enough, that's when you may find a need for the "higher self" concept. Freud and Jung based their psychology on jewish kabbalah, and the concept can be used there. It can also be used if you study hinduism. Unless you picked those up, I'd settle for just reading the wiki article and forgetting about it.

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f694c9  No.865

>>862

>>863

Also, this is where it get's a little bit confusing, I assume it is possible to preserve your individual character when uniting with your higher self. Your entire being get's turned into the higher self, body and soul all become part of the spirit, become the spirit. Well body maybe not always but the soul at least. I suppose this is what Jesus and Guatama did for example. Only like this I can explain immortals meeting and hanging out together and groups of them existing.

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b19c4d  No.866

>>864

>>863

>>865

This all makes it clearer but I still can't really agree with it. I can accept it to the extent that the higher self contains all past lives memories and personalities, like a storage that can be unlocked and make you be your 'real' self again, but that's where it ends. The idea that it is essentially omnicient and an immortal or deity already is something that I cannot accept. For example I see people often say things like "Just get in contact with your higher self if you want XYZ", if anything was that easily given why would I go through any effort at all.

>I guess your higher self is the higher self of every single other human too

This goes too much towards "the all" used in hermeticism that I can't quite get behind as I refuse to become one with all.

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f694c9  No.867

>>866

>but I still can't really agree with it.

>I refuse to become one with all.

That's good. It's good to think critically for yourself, make your own judgements and say NO to what you feel is bullshit. This is much better than just blindly eating up dogma and going on faith alone.

>The idea that it is essentially omnicient and an immortal or deity already is something that I cannot accept.

I personally don't think of it as an actual deity even if I say stuff like "It's the player and you are the character" You are the being and it is a force that brings forth the being. It may manifest for you in a personified way as a deity but only because you create it in your own mind that way. In reality it is just eternal, unbreakable force. Pure will and awareness. Not an actual immortal being in itself. And yet there is massive wisdom and intelligence inherent in that force. This force is what guides you and if you unite with it makes you an actual individual immortal.

>This goes too much towards "the all" used in hermeticism that I can't quite get behind as I refuse to become one with all.

I don't really know what "the all" is and how to become one with it. You'll still be an individual point of consciousness but unlimited by time, space and matter. You won't cease to exist or be dissolved into some higher being or whatever.

>higher self contains all past lives memories and personalities, like a storage that can be unlocked

I don't think this even matters. Maybe you want memories of other lifes just for curiosity and fun or to learn something from them but just getting other memories and personalities won't make you your "real self". You're still a character but with more memories now.

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c5d5cf  No.868

>>866

>>866

The idea is that a higher self is a self existing being that you are a part of. Becoming immortal is akin to individualising and becoming a higher self in your own right. Think aout mutliple incarnate people dieng and joining into the same higher dimensional being. Like how people are shards of deities. those deities are the higher self.

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c5d5cf  No.869

>>868

Basically a higher self is a sort Brahman that pertains to the individual rather than the cosmos. It breathes out parts of itself which incarnate and inhabit various worlds and systems and then breaths it in again and collects all it learned. When I was first introduced to the idea of a higher self it was seen as an evil act that the only way to escape from is to individualize. Apparently religions are complicit in this movement to prevent incarnates from becoming their own self existing self.

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20153c  No.870

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>>861

Disregard this, the Demiurge agents took it with a fake ID that matched the shipping label. Guess it wasn't a mystery phone for me.

I think it both showed up and was taken because of Chaos Magick, I both wanted an escape from this world, and was too afraid to take it and leave. What can I do differently next time?

Captcha related, ugly women are cancer.

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20153c  No.871

>>870

Me again, better question, how do I control raw uncontrolled chaos magick?

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824088  No.872

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>>871

I don't know exactly but I suggest binding it into a sigil. Use visualization or automatic handwriting.

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a08e49  No.875

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Hello everyone. Eventually, I landed here out of nowhere and this seems to be a place where some of the "vampires" chill. If I am guessing right, these are the vampires that got the spell from "blood anon". If that's the case, I would like to know a few things.

1. If anyone can energy scan me or something, please do so and tell me what is wrong/right like blood anon did. I want to clarify a specific thing that was bothering me.

2. How do I effectively progress? So far, the only physical skill I have developed is very weak telekinesis. Aside from that, my situation manifestation has been enhanced drastically and I sometimes have prophetic dreams. Some more abilities that are so useless or weak that it's not even worth mentioning. If I were to judge that, it's almost no progress compared to what I expected down the road.

3. How are you doing?

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bdaec6  No.876

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>>875

>If anyone can energy scan me or something

It looks like a simple case of you having found mental stability within the 0D particle. The karma of your environment both mentally and physically should clear away since you yourself are standing on an unmovable mountain.

>How do I effectively progress

Your current position isn't permanent but is still very stable, I'd say do nothing but what you're currently doing. Now isn't the time for movement but for hunkering down. Perhaps start looking inward if you're really impatient.

>How are you doing?

Pic related.

Not Blood-anon desu.

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f694c9  No.879

>>875

>3. How are you doing?

Not much different than you. Together with another anon I've come to the conclusion that this vampirism thing is more or less bullshit and consequently lost my faith in blood anon and all his stuff. Also lost interest in magic and the occult in general. Right now I'm really thinking if I should dive in again or just forget about it altogether. It all seems so meaningless to me.

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6ad5ed  No.880

>>879

>It all seems so meaningless to me

My conclusion is that everything is meaningless until it is given a purpose or meaning. Life is meaningless and finding the meaning behind it is a waste of time.

Follow your own dreams and try making them reality.

I guess the biggest enemy is our self. If I set my mind upon something, I'll succeed. But the real trick is getting up and doing something. That's why overcoming

this depressive state is a must do. Hard, but necessary. Yet I fail almost daily at doing so. It's tough.

And whether blood anon and his spell is fake or real, it remains as a symbol that triggered shit the ordinary person wouldn't experience in a lifetime.

Vampirism and all that sounds absurd when I face my own humanity, but this whole thing started with a thread I stumbled upon by accident.

Was it truly just an accident? Who knows? Who cares? I just take that chance and try to do my "best".

>>876

>Your current position isn't permanent but is still very stable, I'd say do nothing but what you're currently doing. Now isn't the time for movement but for hunkering down. Perhaps start looking inward if you're really impatient.

Makes sense. I'll continue to follow my duties until I am free from he chains of expectations. Shouldn't take so long and it's comfortable.

But I am very disappointed by my progress. Honestly, it all boils down to me being too lazy. But I have the hope of finding that one thing that

will catapult me into the right direction.

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edac4e  No.881

>>880

Why not try this

>>97

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bdaec6  No.882

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>>880

Lowering your expectations is all well and good, and I believe in this case lowering them will help gain a better grasp of your own situation, but the real goal is for actual progress to be made. Slow progress is still progress. Gaining a rudimentary understanding of where you stand in relation to your goals will give you a better foothold for future growth and movement. You're not paralyzed by uncertainty, and my initial suggestion would be what I would do in your situation. I trust Yuuka enough to guide you properly in case you want to leave your area of comfort.

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b19c4d  No.886

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Why are so many occultists & general spiritual people focused on achieving ego-death? From my understanding this isn't merely a dissolution of personality, but the destruction of the very self. Why does anyone want to achieve such a thing? Maybe I'm just getting this wrong or oversimplifying it and not researching enough.

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277ed2  No.887

>>886

You're basically right, but you're not seeing the big picture. Ego death isn't about "destroying your very self", though, it is just that: death of the "ego", which is a false sense of self you have created. The anatta doctrine deals with this. It's not that there is no "self" at all, it's that there is no "self" based on the five aggregates. This is a false idea of yourself you have created, termed "ego". It's the version of you with cravings and desires, and with misconceptions about the way the world works that you cling to despite your limited perception. In order to gain better understanding and to truly ascend, you need this version of you to "die". From there, you can build from scratch and create a better identity without those presuppositions about the world and that doesn't cling to its own prejudices because it has a need to be "right" all the time. Only when enter this process will you begin to understand reality the way it is rather than how you see it, and this is a very long journey for most that undertake it.

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f694c9  No.888

>>887

Good answer. It's only the detachment from the things that you think you are when you are unenlightened but in actuality which aren't you at all.

>>886

However it comes to my understanding that there some especially vile newagers who will take this ego-death to the extreme and actually expect from you to dissolve your very self. They either preach this on purpose or have no idea what they are talking about. It's good that you are cautious and question this. Hopefully now you know better.

>Why are so many occultists & general spiritual people focused on achieving ego-death?

True spiritual people and real occultists are rare even in those "scenes". Enlightened people are very rare. If you have really any potential and wisdom you will generally find that after genuine studies of the matter you surpass "most" of them faster than you'd like and then you are more or less left alone and on your own. This is why you shouldn't be too concerned about most other occultists and spiritual buffoons and their cults/groups.

>>880

>I just take that chance and try to do my "best".

Good words to live by.

>That's why overcoming this depressive state is a must do.

Also true. I admit I'm a deep slump right now and I realize I need to get out and once again return to the magical field. It's always on my mind anyway. To be honest deep down I can't really stop l a r p i n g as a vampire anyway no matter how I try. It has become a inseperable part of me. It has become me. Recently I saw a herd of sheep on a field where there are usually never sheep, and I've been there regularly for the last couple of years. But recently for the first time there were sheep grazing, and they were really noisy. A noisy, stupid-ass herd of sheep herded by a couple of shepherds. Every of those sheeps mindlessly following the herd, yelling for no reason, just eating and making noise. At this moment I realized something. They were mundanes, and I was the intelligent/advanced observer. I could be them or I could be something greater. The herd of sheep seemed like a sign especially for me to see and wake me up from my depression. And no way in hell could anyone choose to become a stupid noisy sheep again. It is impossible to return to that state, I'd rather literally kill myself. So regardless whether blood anons stuff is real or not, I cannot deny the fact that I am not the same person anymore that I was two years ago. I realize that I have come far and changed a lot even if it doesn't seem like this at times. The depression probably came from the last remains of my old self, from the fear to go further and the longing to return to old comfort zones. It is the pain of myself dying. But now the time has come for the last remains of my old self to die and to finally be reborn as another immortal. The age of the vampire god is coming upon me, even if I won't get physically immortal. It's how much of a vampire you are deep inside that counts. Before I fell off the path I had several times the impression that I am basically one "second away from nirvana", or that the end of my old self is drawing near. I had the feeling that my death was approaching and I would either become insane, enlightened or die. I believe this was too much for me and I was too scared to take the final leap so I backed out again and fell into this deep slump.

By the way, do you notice anything of the likes that you have stopped aging or even became younger again? Last year some guys asked me how old I am and I said 29, and they said "Shit bro, you look like 20" then I asked some other people and everyone told that i look really young. Then when I got into the slump I really let myself go, started drinking massive amounts of coffee and fapping again and started to look sickly and old, that's when I tought that the vampire stuff is probably bullshit. But recently I started to take care of myself again and did some basic energy work, cut my hair, shaved and did some fitness and I look like a teen again, at the age of almost 30. Today I looked in the mirror and it almost scared me how young I look. Did you have experiences like that too? I don't want to say the look of youth is because of blood anons spell…but then again maybe it is?

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bdaec6  No.889

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>>886

Outside of myself being naturally drawn towards the techniques of self-destruction, it's effective and a solid method of gaining spiritual attainments. The thing you call yourself is in itself created by you, the ability to destroy and recreate it should be sought out for if one wants to know who he or she is. Here's a video by a guy who talks too much, most likely very useless unless you either have as much intellect as him or have a general insight into what he's talking about without having read any of the material through experience.

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b19c4d  No.890

>>887

>>888

>Good answer. It's only the detachment from the things that you think you are when you are unenlightened but in actuality which aren't you at all.

>However it comes to my understanding that there some especially vile newagers who will take this ego-death to the extreme and actually expect from you to dissolve your very self. They either preach this on purpose or have no idea what they are talking about. It's good that you are cautious and question this. Hopefully now you know better.

It is my understanding that everything that can be seperated or changed from yourself, isn't part of the self. So your body, personality, memories, feelings. Basically everything you lose with reincarnation and perhaps some more (or less in certain cases) until only consciousness (or sentience) exists. That is the aspect that I always had the impression of that they're trying to kill, the consciousness and the very self that is essentially you and always remains. Which is why I thought that they were insane.

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f694c9  No.891

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>>890

It is the very same understanding that I currently have.

However…

Even the parts that are not your true self…don't kill them. Detachment from them and realizing that they are not you is enough. They still might be important tools for a coherent, good existance. Probably not so much the physical body but at least the soul which is the astral body and holds a lot of stuff that makes up the current you. Nobody knows what kind of existance the truest and purest you is, it may be not as awesome as you think. This is why I believe upon attaining immortality (enlightenment, Gnosis), you should transform your soul into your true self so that it becomes an eternal part of the real you and you can keep on existing properly as long as you wish. This vampire thing we are talking about is supposed to transform even your physical body but I'm still not too sure about that. My point is that detachment and realization is good but also don't forget that even things that are not you might be important and needed. You can keep whatever you like about your "ego" and your false self, just be aware about it.

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b19c4d  No.892

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>>891

>Even the parts that are not your true self…don't kill them. Detachment from them and realizing that they are not you is enough.

Thanks I'll keep it in mind.

>you should transform your soul into your true self so that it becomes an eternal part of the real you and you can keep on existing properly as long as you wish.

This has already been realized in a past incarnation. All that is left is to return to it. That said while that part is immortal or permanent in the soul, it's still not true immortality as for this life I still fall within reincarnation. So both objectives in that regard for are to return to that and also move outside of reincarnation.

>This vampire thing we are talking about is supposed to transform even your physical body but I'm still not too sure about that.

Good luck with that. Not too interested in physical immortality myself. Why are you?

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bdaec6  No.893

>>891

>Even the parts that are not your true self…don't kill them

Your past lives and the history and record of your cultivation should remain with you after you've moved on, without that you'd only be left with ignorance rather than knowledge. Death is a false god.

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edac4e  No.895

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>>892

>This has already been realized in a past incarnation. All that is left is to return to it. That said while that part is immortal or permanent in the soul, it's still not true immortality as for this life I still fall within reincarnation

Some of us realized our current life and a number of the past ones were performing in projection from an immortal body achieved in the past, somewhat like the monks said to do this:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-31125338

This example is said to be one of those who went into meditation and then reincarnated elsewhere, meant to return and wake up sometime later when their detour is finished.

This does not seem like the actual situation here tho as the body was preserved in it's exact state in an inaccessable place with too little energy to return there as a real undead at once. Of course we do not know if there is any standard procedure for this or what terminology is to be used. There's been that one pic posted on /x/ saying Jesus is a lich because that is the correct term for someone who died and came back in body, but the fictional description of the same thing recently calls this a vampire. Now he only needed 3 days to come back, according to legend but there is nothing saying this is the normal way of doing it, or that he even did it in only that amount of time. He could have abused the timelines to reincarnate in prehistory to then come back just in time and missed it by three days.

It's all a matter of perspective.

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1195d6  No.897

>>888

>By the way, do you notice anything of the likes that you have stopped aging or even became younger again? Last year some guys asked me how old I am and I said 29, and they said "Shit bro, you look like 20" then I asked some other people and everyone told that i look really young. Then when I got into the slump I really let myself go, started drinking massive amounts of coffee and fapping again and started to look sickly and old, that's when I tought that the vampire stuff is probably bullshit. But recently I started to take care of myself again and did some basic energy work, cut my hair, shaved and did some fitness and I look like a teen again, at the age of almost 30. Today I looked in the mirror and it almost scared me how young I look. Did you have experiences like that too? I don't want to say the look of youth is because of blood anons spell…but then again maybe it is?

Yes I noticed that. A friends remark about how I didn't change over the years at all. But I am still "young" so that doesn't count for me right now.

At the start of this year, I fell into a similar destructive state and looked like shit. This reoccurs every now and then and is followed by a very happy and virtues mood

for some time where I am completely confident with myself. It's a weird trip but nothing too bad.

Aside from that, there's a very clear indication that I developed a disease resistance. Maybe it's from the spell, maybe it's from my meditation and practice,

but whenever I feel a sickness coming up, I sit down and wish it away. Worked like a charm for a year now. Before all that, I got sick pretty often.

Meditation should really be a necessity in schools.

>>892

(not the one you asked, but I'll chime in)

>Not too interested in physical immortality myself. Why are you?

I currently don't have the skill to see what's truly behind death. I can only act from my physical form and my mind. Until I am not able to

breach that barrier, I wish to stay how I am in this moment for the time needed to accomplish that breach without necessarily dying because of my body rotting away.

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f694c9  No.899

>>892

>Not too interested in physical immortality myself. Why are you?

Back then my unenlightened self tought it would be pretty cool if it worked out, at least one hundret times better than my boring ass empty mundane existance which only lead into a dead end. At the same time I didn't really believe it was real anyway and I just challenged it for fun to see what would happen. Also this >>897

At this point I believe it was a higher wisdom that called me to partake in it in order to advance my own evolution. I am still undecided about whether physical immortality is a good thing or a shitty thing. I cannot see the full consequence of it and cannot judge it, but I'd choose physical immortality over death and complete dissolution any day if you know what I mean.

>>897

>I developed a disease resistance.

>whenever I feel a sickness coming up, I sit down and wish it away.

Seems also true for me. I still feel it coming but like you said I just wish it away and do some energy work with the energy healing my entire being and it goes away the next day. At the same time however I seem to have become more sensitive to "sins". By sins I mean things that damage your body and/or your soul. I don't believe those things do me more harm now, I merely am much more aware and sensitive of them so naturally I suffer more from them than regular mundanes who are ignorant and don't feel the detrimental effects of sins at all until it's too late. Because of that it may appear that a mundane can stomach sins better than than me but that's not true. It's just like a mundane is being hit with a crowbar and he doesn't feel pain so it's kinda alright for him, the damage to his body is still done regardless. But when I get hit with the crowbar I can actually feel the pain so because of that pain I am aware of the damage coused to my body.

The sins that are most obvious to me are alcohol, fap and exposure to sunlight. Even one glass of wine or one beer, I just feel how it weakens me and how it's bad for me. Same with fap, even with techniques like egyptian orgasm or taoist "injaculation" orgasm it still feels like it drains and damages me. The only way seems to just not fap at all and be completely celibate. It's almost like I can feel the stuff that's going on in much greater detail than before, therefore easily noticing damage and how it weakens me. Another example would be a mundane who is deaf and doesn't hear a very loud noise, but I have enhanced hearing and the same loud noise can hurt me.

Sunlight is energizing and healthy only for a short time once in a while, and it becomes annyoing and uncomfortable, almost painful way to fast. I can feel how unhealthy the sunrays really are on the skin, but really on my entire being. And yes sun is defintely unhealthy in large quantities and over long periods of time, accelerating the aging of the skin/body and eventually even causing cancer and weird spots on the skin. A lot of mundanes don't feel it at all, until once again it's too late. But I feel it, just like with other "sins" the effects for me seem magnified and I know that I am not the only one when it comes to the sun because I have read in some book that vampires generally avoid the sun because they, being much more advanced and aware than regular humans, can feel the damaging effects very clearly. I also get states of depression and anxiety when it's sunny weather and, what a relieve it is when it get's cloudy again. When the weather get's bad and the sun isn't out I am immediately healed and in good moods again.

Since we seem to be on a similar level right now it wouldn't surprise me if you had experienced something like that too. Let me know what you think.

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9f3ce5  No.915

>>899

I can understand what you mean with some things having a more damaging effect on yourself. The sun especially is something I enjoy in tiny amounts because of the reasons you mentioned. I only go out for walks in the park on dawn and dusk because I get too exhausted with full exposure for a little bit of time.

Fapping is a very weird problem at the moment. I really enjoyed it when I was a kid and teenager, and that's not too long ago, but now that drive for it is extremely rare and when I fap the pleasure is almost completely gone and I feel

like having a little flu for some time afterwards.

I cannot drink wine because I get a cold feeling afterwards, but beer, although I drink very rarely, isn't a problem.

The biggest problems all come from myself and that's really the hardest challenge so far. It's like a choice I have to make when I wake up: Be productive or enjoy life. If I don't balance those I get into trouble. That's probably something every person has to face, but this really hit me hard the last two months.

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f694c9  No.916

>>915

>Be productive or enjoy life.

If you are so inclined please explain what you see as "productive" and what you see as "enjoying life" at your own leisure.

I need help with understanding something about energy. From an enlightened perspective time and space aren't actually real and you can supposedly absorb energy from a person just by looking at them from a distance. Also you can supposedly absorb their energy just by thinking about them and imagining them. It is even said that you can absorb energy from the past because the past doesn't exist, it exists only as an illusion from the limited human perspective. Now mixing this all together, wouldn't this allow to absorb energy from a person that you see only in video? And not even a live transmission video but a video on youtube for example that is 10 years old. Watching a video about a young, energetic person giving off a lot of energy. You would be able to feel that energy and absorb it, even if in present time the person is already older and doesn't give off so much fresh energy anymore. Or watching a video of a nature landscape, would you get nature energy from video?

Depending on how this is answered or if at all, I might have a follow up question. But I'd like to clarify this first.

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3f0ccb  No.917

Does anyone have advice for how to properly learn how to meditate? It's clearly a necessary skill for any kind of magic, but I haven't been able to figure it out in the slightest.

I've read all kinds of stuff about theory and practice, but I'm pretty much stonewalled out of all of it because the first step is usually something like "find your center" or "clear your mind" or "meditate to enter a trance state". The typical advice I see for learning to meditate often mentions things like "observing your thoughts", but I don't know what that's supposed to entail.

Trying to just sit still and "think of nothing" has always been fruitless, and trying to do it lying down just results in me falling asleep for a very brief moment, more like a quick lapse of consciousness than an actual sleep, but it never makes me feel refreshed, energized or clear-headed or anything like that.

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b19c4d  No.918

File: b88582318bb0b42⋯.jpg (54.83 KB, 871x1024, 871:1024, 5805dbe06139d4ecb0e62f045e….jpg)

>>917

>"observing your thoughts", but I don't know what that's supposed to entail.

Forgive me if I have this wrong because it's been a long time since I had this myself, but the typical person has a lot of thoughts going through their head all the time without control, right? This simply means to not participate in those thoughts, just let them run their course while you become more aware of what is actually going on inside yourself. Becoming an observer of yourself.

>Trying to just sit still and "think of nothing" has always been fruitless

It's not easy to be succesful at that completely at the start. When I started out I focused my attention on my breathing, specifically when breathing out. Try to sit somewhere for a while with your eyes closed and focusing on your breathing, specifically the sound of breathing out. When you manage to focus completely on it then when you feel you're done you'll notice how quiet your thoughts are. When I started out I never followed a guide or anything so just speaking from my own experience here.

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f694c9  No.919

File: 64c8c252b1d4754⋯.gif (6.47 MB, 500x281, 500:281, harshrealityoflife.gif)

>>917

>first step is usually something like "find your center" or "clear your mind" or "meditate to enter a trance state".

>Trying to just sit still and "think of nothing" has always been fruitless

No no no no, you should just calm down in one min or so and then work on a specific goal that you have set yourself. Forget about just thinking of nothing or entering trance unless it's your specific goal. I meditate while walking in the forest and get some of my biggest insights that way. Some of it involves intense conversation with myself (at least I think t's myself, who knows wheter I'm actually having telepathic discussions with someone else).

The point is that if you made your meditation goal to be focussing on your third eye, then just go and do that as good as you can. If your goal is to visualize something, then visualize as good as you can. If your goal is observing your thoughts and creating an empty mind, then focus on that. If your goal is to relax and enter a trance state for whatever reason, then do that. relax, breath easily and do nothing. With some experience trance can be entered very fast or even immediately, and can also be entered when you focus on some things that require a very narrow focus of attention. I notice that I enter in trance when playing a certain type of videogames.

Just pick your goal, position yourself comfortably and go on about doing your goal. vereything else will follow. Don't pollute your mind with finding your center or achieving some trance state first. Don't expect any results and don't expect anything to happen, focus only on the meditation that you have chosen. Usually you will find your center and the trance state automatically. Don't even need to sit or lie down. Just try walking somewhere with eyes crossed, that's a type of meditation which can lead to your mind being empty. But watch out that you don't trip or sth like that. Or imagine energy coming from nature or from space and you visualize it forming into balls and orbiting around you. Everything can be a meditation, it's the work on your goal that matters.

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bdaec6  No.921

>>916

>Now mixing this all together, wouldn't this allow to absorb energy from a person that you see only in video

I think this is less a question and more an asking for confirmation. From my understanding of how energy works, you're less likely to be absorbing the energy from the person during the time of making the video, but recreating it using your own impression of what his energy really is. I'm not rejecting the idea that time isn't as salient as people think, I have doubts over whether the energy is truly being taken, or if this idea has any relevance in terms of benefit or detriment. Most likely you'll be taking ki from mundanes, and I see no benefit in that. Ki-level energy doesn't belong to a single person, it's part of a much larger process. Mundanes who live off of ki are a small part to a much larger structure and rather than believing that ki is owned by anyone it's more accurate to say that the ki owns the average person. Since ki is external to a single person trying to cultivate and amass it will only weigh you down in the long term.

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f694c9  No.922

>>921

>I think this is less a question and more an asking for confirmation.

Both. I'm trying to understand how energy works. Now hear me out, the reason why I'm even posting this is because I believe that I get nourished by foreign energy when I watch japanese idol girl videos. I am mindfull on what makes me feel certain things and how energy affects me (I'm very sensitive now) and I noticed that it's almost the same as when eating energy from real life girl. I used to watch a lot of Japanese movies and game shows and when I ran out of stuff and got bored I decided to check out some (old) idol videos. And it hit me almost immediately with that pure exhilirating girl energy. Where does it come from? From the people, from the video? Or do I indeed create it myself. I want to know what exactly is going on.

Btw I almost never farm energy from people so you can rest easily, but in the very rare occasions that I do I only farm girl because it's tasty and boy has an almost repulsive feel to it. Maybe it's because my own male energy is better compatible and balances out well with female energy. Those idol videos are almost the same. If you say that it's bullshit and I'm merely deluding myself and in reality I don't get any energy from videos at all, then alright. That would solve my issue and I could live with that.

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bdaec6  No.923

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>>922

Speaking from my own experience, interacting with others or with different environments allows for the creation of new ideas or life, ideas which a single person might not be able to come up with, so this

>Maybe it's because my own male energy is better compatible and balances out well with female energy

Would make sense to me. Besides this, I think it's obvious that the energy you see when watching old videos comes from the girls themselves. I have no way of knowing as of right now whether it's created energy from you, an interaction of your mind with the visuals (and energetic visuals) on the screen, or if it's literally energy given to you, or if that really matters at all. It's probably both.

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7563f0  No.924

File: 4b34702db81ab57⋯.jpg (159.09 KB, 850x536, 425:268, flag.jpg)

New to this board but I came here because I am one of the few people who believe in Gensokyo.

I lurked a bit and I have a question.

Out of everyone, why do you follow Yuuka?

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bdaec6  No.926

File: 935b8c58df026d3⋯.jpg (190.4 KB, 1280x1600, 4:5, da0edb29006a0e631896000ad4….jpg)

>>924

She has the greatest understanding of the symbolism involved and she's the strongest one available. /sunflower/ isn't about strictly following her, but she does guide and lead the userbase towards directions that would be best for development, according to her. It might be best to ask Yuuka yourself if you want to know about the symbolism and what she represents as the mascot. She's not the strongest, or the kindest, almost all of the "ests" she's not. But that doesn't really matter in this situation.

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5248f4  No.927

File: 284947897c8b48a⋯.jpg (414.62 KB, 1200x675, 16:9, 75256395_p0_master1200.jpg)

>>926

She is very intelligent in this subject yes, but the reason I asked is because some things struck me as odd.

First of all she is very close if not the strongest of all youkai so I would consider everyone on this board very lucky if she actually guides everyone on this board.

I actually look up to Remilia more myself but it would be nice to talk to Yuuka as I have a lot of questions and I do like her.

Also I think that this 'Gensokyo' that Yuuka is sending people to is one that she created herself as she is very experienced in dreams and fantasy. Only true psychics can actual visit the real Gensokyo. Only a very select few people has done the deed. Do you think that I am correct about this?

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bdaec6  No.928

>>927

The structure of gensokyo itself is more complex than anything Yuuka can make in my opinion. There's also a general procedure that might have to be followed in order to enter gensokyo, following that will make it easier to enter it.

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5248f4  No.929

>>928

She doesn't need to make an exact replica though, maybe it's a dream Gensokyo or a practice to get some of the best psychics here ready for the real Gensokyo

I can't even say that she couldn't make her own Gensokyo with 100% certainty though since I am quite knowledgeable with how Yuuka is.

I'll try my best to contact Yuuka, but if you can maybe you can ask Yuuka yourself, and hopefully she'll be truthful

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bdaec6  No.930

>>929

Yuuka being capable of creating illusions is something that has been brought up before, it was believed to be the same as what you're saying. It's another method of bringing a desired result, the actual method used doesn't matter here.

"Separating the body from the experience is something illusionary and basic." Is what she replied to me with. Yuuka herself technically has two bodies, that's something I noticed when examining her, so none of this surprises me. Just hanging around the Temple is enough to bring Yuuka out if she wants to interact, the first time I interacted with her was along this line. I forgot that Yuuka was the one guiding the posters here, and I noticed a green haired lady in a checkered vest sitting within the gazebo. She taught me about spell cards after showing me a card of what I look like to her and asking me to make one for her. I left after she taught me the general method of spell card creation, and only after leaving did I realize it was Yuuka.

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5248f4  No.931

>>930

Yuuka does indeed have two bodies, surprisingly you were the first to mention it.

Now I'm very interested in actually doing this. I'm more of an individualist so joining groups is a hard thing to do for me, but this might be worth it.

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f694c9  No.934

File: b3389124fa6d61f⋯.jpg (172.87 KB, 1280x1742, 640:871, mirror.jpg)

When you look inside you can see the truth about everything, it is revealing and guiding.

But most important is that when you look into the mirror you can see your true self inside.

Vampires are supposed to have no reflection because they are already whole and complete, one with their spirit/higher self. Meanwhile humans are still fractured and can see their other half in the mirror. I think it would be more accurate to say that vampires either have no mirror anymore or are the mirror themselves now but I guess that's just minutia.

Most mundanes never find the mirror. Those rare wizards and seekers who find it look inside and see everything revealed until they encounter their true self and become enlightened.

Is the mirror a viable metaphor for the higher self or the spirit? I've seen mirror or sometimes "looking glass" being used in some occult literature and spiritual inspired media and couldn't at first properly understand it but if I'm right it would put things in a new light.

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bdaec6  No.942

>>934

My view of it is that vampires literally lack the capacity for self-reflection. The reasoning for this has been discussed before, it's related to the 5k spike and the refusal to move beyond a certain way of thinking, but the most prominent one in my opinion is that vampires do feel the weight of sin more easily than mundanes. Looking at yourself and inspecting yourself will only bring self-doubt, and that could've led to destructive, and ultimately negatively affecting, behavior for the vampire. There's been a lot of tools made to correct this behavior. If you've interacted with the matriarch before and disagreed with her on something it should still be somewhat apparent. Other vampires who really don't care will still have this kind of thinking.

> I think it would be more accurate to say that vampires either have no mirror anymore or are the mirror themselves

People with asperger's live within their own image of the universe. And the idea of vampires being the true autists is cute. I'm pretty sure that's true.

>Is the mirror a viable metaphor for the higher self or the spirit

There's a literal mirror within the mind of every human, Li Hongzhi talked about this in Zhuan Falun.

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277ed2  No.946

>>942

How do y'all know if you're a vampire or not, and why do you contrast vampires with mundanes as a whole as opposed to, say, ordinary "psychics"?

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bdaec6  No.947

File: 8f75ccdf771a351⋯.gif (727.17 KB, 254x401, 254:401, 8f75ccdf771a35191d9f55600d….gif)

>>946

The major differentiation is the creation of the 0D particle. Ordinary psychics don't have this, and their method of cultivation and progression is different due to this fact. The simple differences for the vampire is one, the access to the matriarch's egregore, and two, the removal from the wheel of reincarnation and the forcing of the vampire to use his or her own thinking to solve problems rather than relying on outside forces. It isn't psychic vampirism.

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b2b572  No.950

>>946

It’s a failed ERP. I’m one of the “originals”. It doesn’t do shit.

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bdaec6  No.951

File: 69d028d284adc40⋯.jpg (631.37 KB, 1050x1280, 105:128, b7bc143614daadf6ac817ae12a….jpg)

>>950

Fundamentally the only real and tangible difference is a slight change of mindset. If you feel it or not, that's entirely up to your sensitivity. There's no longer any obligation to concern yourself over it. Perhaps consider it the natural scenery of /sunflower/ if you like.

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f694c9  No.952

>>942

>My view of it is that vampires literally lack the capacity for self-reflection

That's a view I haven't considered before. Definetly something to think about.

> If you've interacted with the matriarch before

I haven't had the pleasure yet but I can't quite get into telepathy in general.

>>947

>the access to the matriarch's egregore,

Wait a minute, what if after I create the zero particle and become immortal I won't get accepted into the cabal by the matriarch and won't get added to the ergregore?

Will I be alright?

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b2b572  No.954

>>888

If you get swallowed by the nonsense of Blood anon's "spell" (it's not even a real spell) you will get swallowed by despair. It happened to me too.

I look young nowadays because I use the sun and fapping for energywork. There are no rules about how to approach your ascent, and your body as well as your mind will be shed at the end of your life as it always has. This has been the plan since before you were born, planned outside of spacetime, and you wouldn't have been born if it were even possible for you to become physically immortal. The very concept is nonsense once you understand life and death.

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d99baf  No.960

Is there something more to the silver tray than just linking together ? I get the feeling it causes some kind of "desensitization", but I'm not sure that's the right way to put it.

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edac4e  No.961

File: 204f21c0545db61⋯.jpg (4.13 MB, 2480x2480, 1:1, lolibooru_211551_eyebrows_….jpg)

>>960

>I get the feeling it causes some kind of "desensitization"

If you're really sensitive maybe, but it's not intended. This is a safe version of a much stronger artifact which caused some rather unpleasant or scary side effects when first tested for group sessions. It wasn't a good idea to spread that since it would most likely cause negative rumours and reactions.

What's left here is the "epic romance" aspect, a faint feeling of the cultural sentiment of the late 1800s. Maybe it can feel that way to some people.

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b2b572  No.963

>>951

I don’t concern myself with it in the least. I just wouldn’t like this board to become obsessed with it like meguca was to the point that all new users and conversation disappeared.

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b2b572  No.964

>>960

Well consider what linking with others entails. You are going to get your energy changed by the process the same way it happens when you spend a lot of time in a room with other people.

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bdaec6  No.965

>>963

Consider writing a post about the dangers of the "spell" and tell others about it's negative effects, if it has any effects at all. Point out Blood-anon's methods and where he's at fault as an occultist if the spell doesn't interest you. Constructive posts should invite discussion. Not on a topic that interests you in this case.

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f694c9  No.968

>>954

I'd make similar posts to this one when I'm in a slump.

>as it always has.

>This has been the plan since before you were born

Seems like you got scared and are trying to run back to your old crumbling comfort zones.

When you encounter despair then realize that's a perfectly normal thing to encounter on your path to immortality. It has nothing to do with blood anons spell. Didn't even the buddha face the most horrible demons when he sat down under the boddhi tree to attain enlightenment? You have to push through it and even if you fall to the ground, eventually get up again and go even further than before. Also in the end immortality is in your very own hands (even if it's not physical), regardless of whether you got some spell or not. It's how far you are willing to go to make it happen. Who cares about plans for you from outside of space and time, you make your own plans right now that transcend space and time. You have the fire inside of you that has the power to transform you and break free from maya and the cycle of reincarnation.

Work harder, pal.

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b2b572  No.969

File: 76a24cfd9e5504c⋯.jpg (13.47 KB, 474x266, 237:133, iu.jpg)

Sigh. Here we are talking about this nonsense again. This will be my last post on this subject here.

>>965

I think you misunderstood me. There is no spell.

There are no negative effects because it's not a real spell. The only negative effects I can think of is the fact that people tend to obsess over it and it hijacks all conversation. I realize I'm guilty of this myself, so that's why I won't respond to any more posts about it.

>>968

Again, I think I didn't explain myself properly or you didn't understand me in any case. I am already immortal. I am free of the cycle of reincarnation. I was before I found the first thread. I came here because I wanted to. Even blood anon pointed out (he is a very good seer) that my energy was the most similar to "actual vampires". Perhaps some of you are as well, but your mind wouldn't necessarily know unless you connected and merged with your immortal aspect.

>as it always has.

>This has been the plan since before you were born

I was talking to a mortal here. If I was talking about myself I would've said "this has been my plan all along". In your case, you could say it was god's plan or something.

When I'm done here I will leave my body, I will "die" in the eye of mundanes. I will also leave my mind behind, because I don't need it and I don't need its simplistic system of memory storage. In other words I will "die" a second death in the eye of neophytes and initiates.

Here blood anon was misleading in explaining *why* the spell was needed; memories do accompany you from one life to another, but not in the form of brain memories, which are mostly useless for real growth. Sometimes you can be blocked from accessing that information and your mortal self might stumble around until this block is removed, but once it is, you know it had to be so.

But I am indeed immortal, and I can do whatever the fuck I want, either within or without space and time (if one could even talk about "doing" outside spacetime lol). I could remain incarnate for a million years or croak tomorrow, possess your dog and fuck you in the ass. Everything is possible.

What a beautiful post. Anyway, as I said, enough about this bullshit spell. This thread is for questions and answers. I will refrain from posting about this topic unless it's for answering a question that should be answered. I wish you well, mortals.

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f694c9  No.974

File: d6e279b67873f74⋯.gif (470.63 KB, 245x130, 49:26, gandolf.gif)

>>969

>possess your dog and fuck you in the ass. Everything is possible.

You seem to have a somewhat inflated ego, bigger than I'd consider healthy so I'm not interested. However, if you could possess a cute girl…moreover, a japanese idol which I consider the creme de la creme from mundane women that would probably convince me.

Also, I don't have a dog.

If you feel like it, tell us your story. How and when you got immortal, and what your technique was. It will be helpfull for fellow seekers who also reach out for immortality. Consider this as a question so that it may fit into this thread.

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b2b572  No.975

File: 67032f85088cbc5⋯.jpg (275.3 KB, 1200x900, 4:3, iu.jpg)

>>974

>how and when you got immortal, and what your technique was

OK. But keep in mind you will not understand it, and will swear you actually have. So you will misunderstand it. But since you asked, I'll oblige also as an exercise for myself.

I have not determined "when", or even if it was on Earth or at any time in history that could be referenced from this time period.

My technique began as pursuing magic for material gain. Now, by magic I don't mean getting other non-physical beings to do things for me. Rather, reaching outside of spacetime and influencing energy there. By doing this there is a buildup of a sort of "supra-temporal" ego, or rather than a buildup, there is a link established with an eternal substance that necessarily has to exist forever, being outside spacetime. This makes no sense from a time and word-bound perspective, but think of it as creating an individuated piece of God and a connection to God outside of time from within time. Then aligning with it and reinforcing the connection. It does not matter if it is done through mere meditation or reality manipulation, as long as there is a sort of "moral" coherence with it. This is what Crowley referred to as "true will". At least that's what I understood he meant when reading him, since that would match my experience.

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b2b572  No.976

>>975

This technique is the same one use when incarnate to re-establish the connection between my immortal and my temporal parts. Incarnation has its quirks, much like parachuting into enemy territory, you need a plan to establish contact with HQ afterwards, but it needs to be flexible.

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b2b572  No.979

>>975

>creating an individuated piece of God and a connection to God outside of time from within time. Then aligning with it and reinforcing the connection

This might be the infamous "creating a 0D particle" but I never understood what that is all about, so I don't know.

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f694c9  No.980

>>975

>But keep in mind you will not understand it, and will swear you actually have. So you will misunderstand it.

The hell is your problem?

>Rather, reaching outside of spacetime and influencing energy there. By doing this there is a buildup of a sort of "supra-temporal" ego, or rather than a buildup, there is a link established with an eternal substance that necessarily has to exist forever, being outside spacetime. This makes no sense from a time and word-bound perspective, but think of it as creating an individuated piece of God and a connection to God outside of time from within time. Then aligning with it and reinforcing the connection.

Sounds exactly like the way to become immortal as I have learned it till now from various sources. I think I understand it, at least a little bit, but I will not swear that I understand it because I may be deluded. Even the true resonates with what I have learned so far.

At this moment I believe you are genuine, even if not actually immortal at least you know your stuff.

By the way, I have read a story about someone who more or less achieved immortality in the way you describe spontaneous and when he was not ready and mature enough yet. He didn't understand what happened and as far as I know other immortals didn't also. He is now being mentored by some immortal but still struggles with some things as far as I know. So I totally get that a lot of things about this topic are not to be understood, and I think it's ok not to understand everything.

>>976

>Incarnation has its quirks, much like parachuting into enemy territory, you need a plan to establish contact with HQ afterwards, but it needs to be flexible.

I have learned that some immortals may actually get lost that way and forget themselves again.

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f694c9  No.981

>>980

>Even the true resonates with what I have learned so far.

True will. I forgot to write will.

But now to the real question. Will you possess a girl now or what?

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bdaec6  No.983

File: 1f6af337ae8e5ff⋯.png (132.74 KB, 347x329, 347:329, abyss_praise.png)

>>979

It's pretty close. The 0D particle can be classified as the sovereign and unmovable state of mind, or really a single thought or aspect of a mind removed from all desire. My suggestion is to think of this thing on the level of a concept and work with it from there. Perhaps you'll gain a stronger view of it, even if it might at first glance look made up.

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c9973a  No.985

Alright, here's a question to the user base here for fun: what's the first success you had that you knew for certain was a result of your magic? It may or may not also have been what convinced you once and for all. Just interested in people's stories.

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edac4e  No.986

>>985

Being able to pick winning lottery tickets from street stands using a methodology I found at age 10 or so.

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b2b572  No.987

>>985

I don't remember my first because despite every magic book and teacher telling me to keep a diary, I never did.

But I do remember doing remote viewing successfully was "it" for me.

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b2b572  No.988

>>986

>using a methodology I found at age 10 or so

Do share!

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edac4e  No.992

File: 33af9372466a2c7⋯.jpg (61.01 KB, 640x425, 128:85, Tombola.jpg)

File: 10c50c38a8fe38b⋯.jpg (1009.09 KB, 2463x2463, 1:1, tombola2.JPG)

>>988

First off, it has to be the classic small street stand. If you watch anime you've probably seen the cage one. Where I grew up we had the other one, which contains rolled up lottery tickets. It has to be one of these, because all the tickets are in there, so you are always just one pick away from the winning ticket.

If you encounter the more "modern" version often set up at carnivals or amusement parks with the prizes on the wall behind, don't try. They keep a small amount of lottery strips in buckets and there is no guarantee you'd win even if you bought all of them because those lotteries don't have a finite number of tickets.

What you do is this:

Walk up to the stand and look at the prizes. You have to like at least one of them but be ok with any. Buy one ticket. Open it. If you didn't win, buy one more. You may feel like buying one at a time is awkward for social reasons if you're an adult but kids don't have this problem which is why I found this easier as a kid. Look at the tickets and get a "feel" for them. Buy one at a time, open it. If you didn't win after buying 5, move on. It's possible other people already picked the winning tickets in this stand or it's just not meant for you. Winning at stands could be "predetermined" for other people and you shouldn't try to mess this up. If you do this at all the stands at the fair or whatever location you at at, you will come home with a decent prize.

It's very intuitive so this is as much as I can say.

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b19c4d  No.1004

File: 96abb9cd381f99a⋯.jpg (128.21 KB, 600x424, 75:53, 61192610_p0_master1200.jpg)

>>985

The general acceptance of occult came at a young age thanks to the talent of seeing earthbound spirits. The actual acceptance of magic came after reading up on theory for a while and then pulling off something that had a probability somewhere around 0.01% to happen (the chance of what happened can actually be calculated). Something like it with the same chance happened again very recently actually. When you manage to successfully get incredible odds somewhat consistently then it becomes impossible to ignore.

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a66351  No.1021

File: 529924937f8a35a⋯.png (120.51 KB, 540x645, 36:43, 529924937f8a35a8c62ea00c61….png)

>>975

>I have not determined when

Technically there is no 'when', since the true self is a-temporal. Every single life that you have ever had and ever will have, at any point in relative and objective time, go towards the same collective true self, simultaneously.

>>976

>establish contact with HQ

This is why advanced occultists manifest psychic abilities from a young age, and generally life seems stacked up to kick them into delving into the occult, and re-connecting with that immortal self. It's all one big magic spell, conceived and cast outside of time and space, to ensure you'll actually awaken.

It can fail, though, and when this happens people "fall", often inadvertently causing long chains of fallen lives before they re-establish coherence.

>>985

For me it was telepathy and mind reading. Everything else, including physical shit, could be discounted as placebo, group hysteria, etc, by some stuck-up hypermaterialist "skeptic". Once you confirm very specific details about someone's life, mind state, physical circumstances, conscious and subconscious thoughts, etc, with 100% accuracy, that's beyond what even the fedoras can deny.

Though, if it's about personal certainty, I was making energy shields to keep random spirits away since age 6, so I've never really doubted magic to begin with.

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b19c4d  No.1022

File: a1cc970f2a9c7fd⋯.gif (1.71 MB, 500x600, 5:6, pfXYIdg.gif)

>>1021

>Technically there is no 'when', since the true self is a-temporal. Every single life that you have ever had and ever will have, at any point in relative and objective time, go towards the same collective true self, simultaneously.

This seems to be thrown around a lot but so far I disagree with it. Time doesn't work the same way on the astral as it does down here, even so, the idea that every life plays out simultaneously seems incorrect to me. Care to inform why you think this is true?

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b788e8  No.1023

File: 9d89ab896be9c98⋯.jpg (46.99 KB, 580x315, 116:63, life.jpg)

>>1022

>Time doesn't work the same way on the astral as it does down here

Astral is not the ultimate end point. There is still a state beyond the astral. This is why I like to put it like this:

Physical - Body

Astral - Soul

??? - Spirit, True Self (this is the actual eternal state beyond time and space)

I feel sad seeing so many spiritual people and occultists get hung up on the astral and think that's it. When you reach the astral state you will not be free of time and not understand how time is truely an illusion. Only when you reach the Spirit state will it all unfold before your eyes.

>the idea that every life plays out simultaneously seems incorrect to me.

From the state of the Spirit all lifes are like songs in your music folder. from the first one to the last one, they are all there simultanously. The physical perspective, the mundane one, is one song only which resembles your life. It starts with your birth and ends with your death. Pic related.

The astral perspective is one song after another with reincarnations inbetween. Once one song/life ends the next starts playing. They go in order and even tho past songs and future songs can be accessed and seen one is till trapped in their current life.

The spirit perspectice is that every single song is there and you are not bound to a single one and also not bound to go through them in order. Your most past life, the very first song, and your last/most future life and everything in between are all there at the same time and you can choose to play any of them. None is first and none is last. Just open your music folder and you'll see what I mean. Also pic related. Now you see that all lifes are there simultaneosly, every single moment in every single life is there right now just like every single second in every single song. There is no past and no future.

I came up with this example myself and I hope this helps to understand. Your true self is the one outside, looking at all the lifes which are like songs and can access any of them at any time as often as it wants. Your false self is your mundane persona trapped in one single life, only seeing one song at a time and being bound to going through it from beginning to end.

You can look at it as a giant music album. Every song in the album is one life of your many false selves which they are bound to. Only the true self can navigate through them freely from outside the matrix/album.

It's probably confusing but that's the best example I was able to procure to illustrate the idea that there is only the NOW and everything, every moment and every life is there at the same time as easy as possible. I think it's even much better than my previous MMORPG example "your true self is the player and all the false selves are the game characters"

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b2b572  No.1024

>>1021

>I was making energy shields to keep random spirits away since age 6

I was doing things like that since I was young too, and having astral projections every night and every nap. I used to press my eyes against the pillow and wait for "the pretty lights" to come and fell asleep that way.

I would have a shower and put on cologne to go to bed and tell my mom "I wanted to be presentable to my dream friends" and things like that.

But still, I was a fucking materialist fedora until my Saturn return.

>>1022

As the other anon said, it's not the astral I'm talking about. IIRC Robert Bruce's books go in detail about the astral and higher selves and what's beyond it. David Icke's too, but I found those very boring.

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a66351  No.1026

>>1024

>having astral projections

Never did that as a child, but I would become keenly aware of every spirit around me when I tried to go to sleep. I'd fall asleep as soon as I could, since keeping a bunch of entities away isn't the most fun way to spend an evening.

>fedora until my Saturn return

Brother. Seems like us Saturnians make up the vast majority of incarnated adepts right now. I've seen a few Martian types, but the occult scene is largely dominated by us at the moment.

I think being a fedora atheist early in life serves as another "call back to HQ" measure, since we're more or less bound to violently reject childhood teachings and doctrine around the age of puberty. I was raised a weird mix of militant atheist with pseudo-platonic elements.

>>1022

I think you're looking at this from the wrong perspective. What I meant by that statement is not that lives play out simultaneously, time is certainly linear and well-defined in our plane of existence, but that when it comes to your true self, it is made up of every life, irrespective of time.

As >>1023 put it, the Astral is actually fairly low in the existential hierarchy, but even at that stage you can access people and places in the future or past, since the temporal and physical aspects are weakened and simplified, they follow fewer rules than ours. And as >>969 said, preserving past life memories into your next incarnation is basically useless, as you can access and live those memories out directly once you reach a decent level of development. In addition, all the important stuff- mind management, energy work, etc. are all second nature to you anyway unless you've fallen and lost touch with your true self over a number of incarnations. At that stage, any past life memories would be long gone from wherever you stored them, anyway.

I can count at least 3 distinct anons, beside me, who have a decent level of understanding in this thread. That's fairly rare to see.

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c9973a  No.1029

Since the last few posts are about the astral realm, I'll ask some questions regarding that as someone somewhat new to this in practice (I know quite a bit of theory but haven't gotten started yet). I've read about how you could summon entities astrally and see them on this plane using scrying or clairvoyance. Since that's the case, could you not also astral project and evoke or visit entities in the astral realm? Wouldn't that be more straightforward than doing evocations here? As someone who isn't able to get much physical equipment at the time (I imagine that's the case for many these days), this seems like a good solution. It seems you could even create astral temples as a substitute for physical ones.

And while we're at it, can anyone summarize some good ways to astral project? I know Robert Bruce has good books on it, but I'm asking about an explanation that could fit in one or two posts. That would be very helpful.

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edac4e  No.1031

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>>1029

>It seems you could even create astral temples as a substitute for physical ones.

It's what this board is based on. See:

>>3

>>97

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b2b572  No.1033

>>1029

>sit in a comfortable position that lets you make your whole body limp

>don't move an inch. Let iches come and go. Swallow as you must, but don't focus on it. Let your body do the way it does while you sleep

>do this: https://youtu.be/y8cLhlSuW4w?t=171

>close your eyes and scan your whole body very slowly, imagining it melt, toe by toe, inch by inch. Take your time

>imagine your brain melts, and comes out of your ears

>let your tongue flatten, and your eyeballs sink in your eye sockets

>if you take your time doing this and don't move, you should slowly lose track of your body

>imagine a first person view of the room as if you were standing in the middle of it

>replicate in your imagination your vision, hearing, proprioception and sense of touch (your feet on the ground)

>make it vivid, and hold it

>at the same time, count down from 100 to 0, vividly imagining each number on top of your imagined first person view before moving on

There are much quicker and simpler ways of doing it, but you need to work them out for yourself before they can be of use to you.

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b2b572  No.1034

File: 2f278ba2c4018e2⋯.jpg (552.82 KB, 1008x5227, 1008:5227, 7_hundred_steps_technique.jpg)

>>1029

This is another way. But be careful where you imagine yourself moving towards.

A hole in the ground, a stairway to heaven, a tunel into a mountain, a staircase into the ocean… It does matter where you walk towards symbolically. Have a clear objective before starting.

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c9973a  No.1035

>>1031

Ah, yes, that had slipped my mind. Also, I realize I didn't use the right term, I should have said "altar" instead of "temple" to be more precise; IIRC I've read about some practitioners having astral altars to gods and patron spirits. I imagine that is totally feasible as well, I was just wondering if that could be a substitute for physical altars, or if you should ideally have both.

>>1033

>>1034

Great, thanks for the tips! I'll definitely try it out.

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b2b572  No.1036

Yes, imaginary altars work. >>1035

You will need a space such as a natural setting or a temple that you have solidified in your mind and can journey into (either vía astral projection or vivid first person visualization).

Then find a spot that is adequate to the deity you want to worship matching it’s correspondences, and build a statue to it. Say out loud or hear vividly in your imagination an incantation to consecrate the statue to this deity so it may inhabit it. Then you can start making offerings to it. Treat it as a physical altar. Be regular and keep it in good condition. But be grandiose both with its construction and your offerings. You don’t have physical limitations there. It should cause a reaction of awe in you.

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b2b572  No.1037

>>1036

But for this you should have experience astral projecting/journeying first, and possibly do some physical devotional work first. There are certain feelings and small things that cannot be explained that you must “get” through experience.

Don’t be discouraged if nothing seems to work. Fake it till you make it and adjust whatever you do to your experiences until you get something that works for you. Simply following instructions won’t work.

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b19c4d  No.1038

Anybody willing to tell me more about astral parasites? For reference: had/have issues with emotions and thoughts that are opposite to what I want, this results in me trying to fight it off in my own head a lot and it wastes plenty of energy and worsens my mental state. Now I changed course and just let it happen without fighting back to not give it any energy and starve it out. Am I dealing with a parasite here?

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edac4e  No.1039

>>1038

The concept of "thought karma" may be relevant here. Search for it in Zhuan Falun, the PDF attached to this post:

>>12

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b19c4d  No.1040

>>1039

Thanks the thought karma part of it was interesting, that stuff is insidious. However I am unsure that it applies here. The things I get go against my very core and personally it's very obvious that it doesn't come from me. But even if I did give in to it the only person that would be harmed is me, that's why I am unsure if it's applicable here.

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edac4e  No.1041

>>1040

You may feel that way right now, but it may turn out later that you were a completely different person in a past life and that what you know of yourself today is only a small part. I'm speaking of personal experience here. What seemed like demonic possession manifesting violent and depraved ideas in my mind was just a past me from a completely different situation. After slowly being able to unite with this hidden side of myself I see everything differently, including contemporary values of right and wrong.

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b2b572  No.1042

>>1040

Relevant:

https://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=32780#p32780

However, do you know how to discern the things you don't want to admit to yourself?

In any case, try not to judge too soon. After all, if these things are coming to you, you can learn something from them. Don't reject, don't accept (in short, don't react). Just observe and learn.

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b19c4d  No.1043

>>1042

That short story was interesting and it feels a lot like my own current situation.

>However, do you know how to discern the things you don't want to admit to yourself?

I think so yes, but in this case it's more like being told to kill myself every time I see anything associated with death, to use as an example. It's absurd because I am not depressed nor have any reason to go through with that or think it in the first place.

>Don't reject, don't accept (in short, don't react). Just observe and learn.

Just as in the story, keeping my mind silent is the best approach, and if not that then just don't react as you say, but in the end it doesn't actually solve what is happening, it just treats the symptoms of something.

>>1041

That's interesting and I appreciate the insight and will keep it in mind but it doesn't apply here I'm pretty sure.

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e6ec82  No.1103

I’m currently reading Jodorowsky’s book on tarot, and he designates certain cards, like the world, as potentially carrying the meaning of “manifestation.” What does “manifestation” mean in this sense?

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1ef88a  No.1183

Is anyone else getting badly written telepathic broadcasts? Someone has been sending them out over an area with words forming visually, often blurred, with one second per word and no repeat which means most of the messge is lost before I even react.

Happened one time some months ago with someone sending out a question if anyone had seen a certain woman described through more of an emotional situational message placed in the beginning of the message. Now someone sent out something which seemed directed at the meguca /fringe/ group with general imageboard speak and it felt like the sender tried to sound all important and powerful but the needy style of the message (what I was able to pick up, made no sense) ruined it.

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b2b572  No.1184

>>1183

Two nights ago in a dream my father gave me a written article which talked about the sexuality of a certain type of people that was related to something Laura Eisenhower had written about her adventures in Mars.

It was really cool. I think it's the first time I've been able to read so clearly in a dream. By the end of it I was fully lucid trying to read more and more, but I was also excited about coming back to waking reality and looking online if something like the things referred to existed (they don't).

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b788e8  No.1185

>>1183

>Now someone sent out something which seemed directed at the meguca /fringe/ group with general imageboard speak and it felt like the sender tried to sound all important and powerful but the needy style of the message

Maybe it's just a bro from back then trying out telepathy and checking if he can get in contact again with his fellow wizards

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b2b572  No.1186

File: 18f857fa5d17fd3⋯.jpeg (23.42 KB, 500x474, 250:237, external_content_duckduck….jpeg)

>>1185

>tried to sound all important and powerful

Checks out.

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b2b572  No.1189

>>1177

>>1178

Where are those pictures from?

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b788e8  No.1190

File: 4516dfa9f2e6ba0⋯.png (1.12 MB, 692x720, 173:180, a.png)

File: 8eacbdaaf95cacf⋯.jpg (151.05 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, b.jpg)

>>1186

There were some anons who came off as if they have a rather large ego and inflated view of themselves and/or were overconfident in their abilities. Also some seemed borderline schizo. Now some time has passed and the possibility exists that those states grew even bigger.

However, this is not meant as an offense against them. Those bastards were the closest to a family I ever had, or at least a group where I even remotely belonged in. I consider all of them my bros and love all of them in a pure, totally non-homo way.

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f24e64  No.1192

>>1189

Xam'd: Lost Memories

Extremely esoteric and obscure anime series that takes several re-watches and a good grasp of alchemical symbollism to understand. It's a treat.

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8ed6aa  No.1193

>>1192

Thank you! Image searches took me to another one called Kokkoku. It’s sci-fi in the vein of Gantz as I’ve seen so far. Nothing extraordinary but enjoyable.

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0641cf  No.1205

File: cbb608dfc54cde8⋯.jpg (53.4 KB, 570x568, 285:284, designed_in_california.jpg)

Hey, gaylords. How do I magic me a full head of hair and a girlfriend?

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bdaec6  No.1206

File: 01d911a873553ce⋯.png (332.52 KB, 823x720, 823:720, 1482542279017.png)

>>1205

Suicide is a valid but often overlooked method.

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f24e64  No.1210

>>1205

(You) don't have to, an eventual incarnation of (You)rself will have those things. The question is whether you'll be any more happy/well-developed under those circumstances.

In this life, you could set your goal to be getting a beautiful, shining, smooth flowing mane, and a smoking hot gamer girlfriend, or developing yourself spiritually as much as possible. Either result is possible, no matter your current circumstances (you could achieve either as a Haitian scurvy nigger), but which one you want to pursue is entirely up to you.

I've posted the methods I've used for my material and spiritual development in the "Magic 101" thread. If you're an absolute beginner, start at >>384 and go from there.

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b2b572  No.1211

>>1205

>get hair implants

>go to gym

>get a pickup coach

>do the work

Magic will help you get the money, opportunities and motivation required. Good luck.

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0641cf  No.1220

>>1211

That's gay.

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edac4e  No.1221

>>1205

>a girlfriend?

see

>>1050

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0641cf  No.1225

>>1221

I think that's a psy-op to make me kill myself. I want to magic a girlfriend.

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bdaec6  No.1226

File: b05d66532c5d033⋯.jpg (43.13 KB, 828x720, 23:20, ced05e04c21be90f13c8084d33….jpg)

>>1225

Don't worry, it's not a psy-op. It's the first advice you've been given here >>1206. Are you willing to provide more information about yourself in order to get more detailed and relevant advice for the best actions to take for the acquisition of a girlfriend?

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0641cf  No.1227

>>1226

I am retarded and don't know any women. Also, I might hate women. They are annoying and don't know anything about video games.

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b2b572  No.1228

>>1227

Then you need to do shadow work and fix your mommy issues.

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edac4e  No.1229

>>1227

>I might hate women. They are annoying and don't know anything about video games.

A cat is cheaper and won't yell "rape" if you pet it, get a cat instead. They also don't mind sitting on your lap while you play video games.

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0641cf  No.1233

>>1228

No, I think women need to change.

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b19c4d  No.1234

File: 7f1f191fbe86023⋯.gif (7.73 MB, 943x683, 943:683, retarded.gif)

>>1233

Since you accept none of the solutions given here, consider that you're just gay but don't want to accept it. Hating women is pretty gay.

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0641cf  No.1235

>>1234

I don't hate boobs.

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edac4e  No.1236

File: 4910dd2ec59d0c7⋯.jpg (178.6 KB, 508x800, 127:200, Remilia_Scarlet_full_15969….jpg)

>>1235

Pleb.

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eb51c4  No.1238

>>1233

Based, we need more people to critique how the genders act.

Though I hate both genders, I will support anyone on changing women if we have similar views on how to change them

>>1234

Cringe, you just want things to stay at their hellish state, I surprised that there would be such a simple minded person such as you here.

Maybe you should go back to fapping on onlyfans.

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0641cf  No.1239

>>1236

post bloomers

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b19c4d  No.1240

>>1238

I didn't even talk to you and you act like this. Did I hit a nerve?

>Cringe, you just want things to stay at their hellish state

I never said anything about gender relations or the state of society. The rest is just you projecting.

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bdaec6  No.1242

>>1227

Don't get hung up on being retarded. Rather than looking for magical solutions to your problem I'd suggest looking for a more mundane self-help sort of blog instead. I like this guy the most but you get the idea. The short and sweet of it is, work out, eat properly, set up plans/daily goals/long term goals, and most importantly establish meaningful and long-lasting relations with others (ideally family). The last one is the hardest. Finding a girlfriend after alll that shouldn't be difficult, unless your standards are impossibly high. In the end of all that you might think women are gay and aren't worth your time.

https://aeolipera.wordpress.com/

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b2b572  No.1253

>>1242

To this I'd like to add that having a girlfriend is not only about having sex and cuddling (if you feel that's what you're lacking the most, mommy issues).

Having a girlfriend is having someone become part of your family, your clan. Sharing each other's family traditions and growing from the experience.

Having a girlfriend means your mom gets a girlfriend, your dad gets a girlfriend, you get a second mom, a second dad, and so on.

If you don't value that kind of familial life or don't even have the ability to create it, don't look for a girlfriend. Call a hooker.

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0641cf  No.1256

>>1253

That sounds like all of the worst things ever.

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edac4e  No.1261

File: e1e8abb89cb3508⋯.png (148.6 KB, 250x362, 125:181, Yami_all_happy.png)

>>1256

That's because you don't think like a woman. Love to her is a result of seeing the opportunity to rise socially and economically through giving herself to a man. Now before any supposed woman on the board starts yelling in trying to maintain the idea of "true love" men believe in; this is something women have explained to me. I'm not basing this on some imagebaord speculation.

I've had this confirmed over and over. Once you start demanding things from possible girlfriends such as them having built up some capital of their own, paying off their debts, fixing their spending habits to match their income level etc, they're no longer "available." That's because you've seen through them. They eat too much, buy too much crap, have too low income to sustain themselves, and they want you to fix all this in exchange for touching their tits. There is, like anon here

>>1253

suggested, a cheaper and simpler way to achieve this. If you on the other hand want a huge mess to handle, get a GF or a wife.

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0641cf  No.1262

>>1261

So how do we use magic to change women?

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edac4e  No.1264

>>1262

Lurk more.

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0641cf  No.1265

>>1264

no. spoonfeed me

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bdaec6  No.1266

File: 2e2121933ef9f1d⋯.mp4 (4.41 MB, 562x360, 281:180, Skeletor_Bans_all_furries.mp4)

>>1262

>>1265

You'll probably find it easier to look for celibacy if women disgust you, if you don't want to deal with anything that you consider reprehensible or selfish. Asking others for guidance is acceptable only under the conditions that you're willing to improve, otherwise do lurk moar.

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0641cf  No.1267

>>1266

What good is magic if you can't use it to change women?

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0641cf  No.1268

Or to watch women changing?

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edac4e  No.1269

>>1267

You can use it to change yourself. If you are a woman, you can change one of them. Change comes from within.

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0641cf  No.1272

>>1269

I want to change them though. They're the ones who are wrong/

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edac4e  No.1277

>>1272

Some things should just be given up. Why correct them? They're too far gone. Let them crash and burn, the next generation will see it happen and they'll make sure to not repeat it.

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0641cf  No.1279

>>1277

Because I want to be able to get along with and respect women, so that life isn't miserable

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edac4e  No.1284

File: ecb403f5ae53ff0⋯.png (47.19 KB, 317x614, 317:614, Springbok.png)

>>1279

I'd say futile aspirations like that are what's making your life miserable. There will be new women, those who are growing up currently. Focus on leading them right. Forget about the ruined ones, you can't undo their choices.

It's time to end this "discussion" now, the Q&A thread isn't for shit like this.

>>>/fit/ may be a better place to go whine in, they think more like you and can give you advice that you're more likely to accept, I think.

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eb51c4  No.1290

>>1240

Yes you did hit a nerve, I wouldn't have responded if you hadn't.

You are saying that people should just tolerate what women do, that is atleast what you imply.

I disagree with that sentiment.

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b19c4d  No.1291

>>1290

Wrong. I said that hating women is pretty gay. If you hate women then you don't want anything to do with them and all you're left with is men, which is gay. Anything else you take from that is your own view. There are absolutely things that women need to change on and you don't have to tolerate it, I agree with that, but hating them as a whole is a waste of energy. This is the last I have to say on it because this is not the place for these kinds of discussions as the user above stated.

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eb51c4  No.1292

>>1291

That's quite a bad assumption, first of what if that person hated both genders by that logic that person would be asexual.

What if that person was a girl? If they were they wouldn't be gay.

You don't know for sure that hating women as a whole is a waste, you should look into more before you come to such conclusions.

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d08cd9  No.1294

File: 118f3f86d86b56e⋯.jpg (70.6 KB, 500x461, 500:461, 118f3f86d86b56ea0081a0205c….jpg)

The hell's this gay shit about?

>>1269

You can use magic to influence an entire gender and you know it.

This doesn't excuse >>1227, your mentality is retarded. Yes, the current living generations of women are borderline nauseating as a whole. That doesn't mean you should mope about because of it. Who cares about women as a whole? The only groups you should rationally care for is your race, your nation, and your church.

What women are like as a whole shouldn't matter to you, just get the one in a million who's tolerable. You can absolutely do this through magic, even with very little skill, but unless you're an actual occult master, no amount of magic will gloss over a shitty lifestyle, physique, and lack of self worth. Improve your life, improve your mentality, and you'll find that quality people will start to gravitate around you, even without magic.

As >>1284 put it, this current generation of women is basically impossible to improve at this point. They won't change their approach to life until their late 40s and early 50s, by which point it'll be far too late.

There's many advanced occultists working to change and improve many areas of society and culture, which will be increasingly visible over the coming decades. That includes women by necessity, and the next generations will be FAR more sane than the shit we're dealing with now.

I've not bothered making any operation on women specifically, but I'll throw that on the list just for you.

Sage for fake and gay shit.

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eb51c4  No.1303

>>1294

Another retard, I can't believe i'm even doing this but you should care about these groups, your race, your nation, your church, and your gender.

What you are is a liar trying to shift the conversation away from women.

You are just defeatist scum thinking that women can not be changed, they can and will, for a better world.

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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1ef88a  No.1304

>>1303

All your 4 posts in this thread so far are mundane and negative/toxic. Take a break and come back with a better attitude.

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c9973a  No.1309

>>1238

>though I hate both genders

Sounds like you just hate people in general. Don't get me wrong, I get what you mean: women are depraved and men are fools for allowing them to be, but a mindset that's focused upon the things you hate will only end up harming you. Be MGTOW if you want, but don't let what you despise make you lose sight of what matters. Improve yourself and your surroundings first and foremost, instead of trying to change the whole world right away. SIMPs and thots will get what's coming to them.

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b2b572  No.1310

>>1192

This was really something. Thank you again.

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a8aabf  No.1414

File: 271e1c4d6b663dc⋯.jpg (31.69 KB, 600x378, 100:63, vanunu_6.jpg)

>>1310

Always a pleasure, anon. May your path be clear ahead.

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0641cf  No.1428

So are we fixing women?

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1e6bff  No.1430

File: 460692071954cfb⋯.jpg (104.37 KB, 842x623, 842:623, 460692071954cfb0b1774d7697….jpg)

>>1428

Already happening, friend. If you wanna help, cast your own spell on your local reality subset, it might speed up the process a little.

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7b0334  No.1433

>>1428

Stop it. It has been discussed enough here. This thread is not meant for extended discussions on one topic, nor is this board meant for discussing that at length. Asking once is fine but don't keep bringing up the same topic in the Q&A.

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0641cf  No.1496

>>1433

Why do women get so upset about this topic?

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bdaec6  No.1499

>>1496

Women don't want to improve.

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da4d78  No.1539

Alright let's suppose my astral place is set up so far.

Can I fill it with some astral wildlife? It would be cool to have friendly mermaids in the water or some faries in the forest for example. It would be more fun if you were to encounter some elemental or spirit while exploring the place and it wouldn't be so empty. Should I somehow call them or create them myself? The astral wildlife must be safe and friendly towards all visitors and me of course. Having an army of undead lolis living in your astral pocket would be amazing, they would play around but when an intruder or hostile being appears they would act as guardian dogs and mercilessly tear the intruder apart and eat them.

Of course after I share the place with a person or being and invite them they are perfectly safe and can enter as often and for as long as they like. I probably need to figure out some auto-invite for certain groups like vampires, touhous and other friendly beings who can work with me or simply wish to visit the place and hang out. The only beings I don't want there are hostile beings and obnoxious new-ager astral travelers.

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edac4e  No.1542

File: fc5264ce3714868⋯.jpg (231.74 KB, 920x713, 40:31, _ngs_lvor_Nils_Blomm_r_185….jpg)

>>1539

>Can I fill it with some astral wildlife?

All of this is possible, check this example

https://pastebin.com/4b4TBGJJ

A little warning based on what some people do: don't fall into the trap of creating servitors to populate your world, or using them as armed forces. It will leech your mental and physical resources and if attacked it will hit you directly, leaving you possibly exhausted and it can effect your well being irl.

The "right" way to do it is to make your world so stable in its foundation that beings want to stay there. Then create a pact and install a plaque with its terms in a public location, allowing for demons to self employ as your contractors.

The description in the pastebin is for the beginning stages. If you visit the world laid out there you will find the trading post to look more like a mall, guarded by black mall cops. In its foundation it's just an economic zone open to visitors. But random dreamwalkers couldn't comprehend it any other way so it turned into a regular mall. It's really just a large marketplace guarded by hell beasts.

If you have the right mentality you will be able to move beyond the outermost public area and visit the tourist resort by the beach or the pub and inn by the forest. The trees behind the building are specfically tailored to attracts nymphs, you can meet them in the pub. If you want beings like that, you have to create an environment for them.

If you're daring enough you can also go into the misty fields on the road to hell and meet the killer fairies. Pic related.

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edac4e  No.1543

>>1539

>an army of undead lolis

Why not check this

>>1298

There are zombies.

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921bdb  No.1545

>>1542

The pastebin says "Then you find a spot in the universe that only you have access to. A place that's obscure but feels comfy in some way."

Can you explain how to do that? The only way I know of would be using Sorcerer Tal's sigil.

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edac4e  No.1549

>>1545

>a spot in the universe that only you have access to. A place that's obscure but feels comfy in some way

Ok. It may be that the setting here isn't as supportive and deep as where this was spread. You're to use visualization and meditation to find this spot emotionally and in any form you, yourself like. Start just thinking up situations and places and determine where you would be completely safe and be the ruler of this place. It's your world, you make the decisions yourself, so anything is possible.

To me it's just a place "far off to the left side, high up in the sky but still not untouched by the waters below."

>Sorcerer Tal's sigil

Make an original creation, otherwise it won't be your own. If you use the methods from Sunflower, you have to lay the foundation completely from this side first. Did you visit the world mentioned? If you've seen it you should be able to understand what it means.

If you do go there, look for a large square with a sigil in the middle in stone. This is a portal for visiting linked worlds within the succubus pact. You can jump within the network this way, at least for those who allow visitors.

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edac4e  No.1550

File: 07541d29f5febfe⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 4.63 KB, 394x388, 197:194, succubus_world_non_aggress….png)

>>1549

Use this to find the network. If you can't get it right because your ability isn't good enough you can mediate on it before bed and visit in your sleep.

The pact can be added to worlds owned by someone with a succubus nature.

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da4d78  No.1552

>>1542

>>1543

Thanks for the replies. Wouldn't even think of population my astral place with servitors. I think I'll wait a little bit and see if some spirits pop up by themselves. Meanwhile I need to work on my astral travel, lucid dreaming and telepathy anyway. I created my place with the carbon rod that I have drilled into the ground until it became diamond and also supported it with my own sigil that I came up with at the same time. Now you have to visualize/dream flying into space and a certain direction before you come upon a certain closed door, then use my sigil to open the door which leads you to my place. But because the place is now bound to my sigil and opened by it I hesitate to share it here because I don't want to share my sigil.

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edac4e  No.1553

>>1552

Can confirm from my end that it's solid. If you want beings to go there you have to open it up though. They won't be able to pass it either now with the door locked, unless they're really curious and inventive like some autistic gnomes or something who like to solve puzzles.

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da4d78  No.1554

File: 2ba8b3fa5436965⋯.jpg (18.82 KB, 474x474, 1:1, NANI.jpg)

>>1553

>Can confirm from my end that it's solid.

How? Did you already go there even tho there is a door and the direction you should fly to is a secret? I only created the door and used the sigil to make the place more solid and create somewhat of a proper "ritual" to enter the place but I tought it would also grant some protection.

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edac4e  No.1555

File: 1d0a66a372df283⋯.jpg (539.81 KB, 2881x4096, 2881:4096, D0FFJDOU8AAfui5.jpg)

>>1554

It may not be so easy for everyone, but it's not a problem for me, I just looked behind you in the direction of the idea you described. What you say and think leave traces. I didn't go past the door because it was locked by I saw some bearded demon outside working on trying to open it like it was a challenge made for him. I just don't think a strategy based on just locking people out is a good idea, they'll find loopholes in your thinking and get in anyway, so better to decide from the start what your terms of entry are.

Don't worry, there are probably at most 10 people around here who would be able to find a place from the person merely posting about its existence, and most of them aren't interested enough to check it out.

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da4d78  No.1557

>>1555

> I didn't go past the door because it was locked by I saw some bearded demon outside working on trying to open it like it was a challenge made for him.

Lmao. Just for the record I don't know of any bearded demon so seeing someone like that trying to come into my place is a little bit weird.

But yeah I shall open it so that beings may come there. I'll try to set it up without any sigil that you have to use. You'll be able to just open the door and walk in. But I still need some sort of door otherwise I have trouble to set-up my own astral pocket. It's like in a elder scrolls game entering a hulding by using a door which teleports you into a different location.

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edac4e  No.1559

>>1557

If you look in this pastebin there are a number of weapons you can get copies of and install as sentry guns at your place if you want. Or just leave them in a garrison for mercenaries to borrow.

https://pastebin.com/mUnWWj64

It's located in the Collective world but if you're nice they'll let you in.

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edac4e  No.1560

File: 2c9ae945120a6d7⋯.png (4.43 KB, 600x450, 4:3, Alissa.png)

>>1559

And of course Alissa has a lot of stuff too.

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da4d78  No.1562

>>1560

Speaking of Alissa…

As suggested by Sorcerer Tal (yeah I checked him out too) for lucid dreaming I tried to get made lucid by a friendly being while dreaming. Naturally the first spirit to ask was of course our trusted Alissa. So before sleep I drew her sigil in my mind and asked her to wake me up in my dream so that I become lucid and can talk to her and visit my own astral place.

I didn't become lucid. In fact I don't even remember if I had a dream at all.

Not sure if the problem lies with me or she is just not the right friend to ask for this stuff.

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6da8e1  No.1564

>>1562

Lucidity isn't an external state, it originates and ends in the Inner Being. Asking an external being to help is moot. If anything outside of yourself could make you lucid, you'd have been lucid all your life. Whoever this 'Alissa' is, the most they could do, and looks like they, did, was bring your subconsciousness in an occult setting.

Perhaps your consciousness is so weak even that didn't push you over the event horizon. Practice, friend, and stake away in the dying light.

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da4d78  No.1572

>>1564

So Sorcerer Tal is full of shit too then. What a shame.

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df2c98  No.1574

>>1572

He's not, you were probably in no state to be "woken up".

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da4d78  No.1575

>>1574

I just tried what Tal recommended as he said it. He didn't mention any state I have to be in or stuff like that. Well tell me how to get in that "state" then.

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df2c98  No.1577

>>1575

To get lucid in a dream you need to not be too tired, a deep dreamless sleep is the opposite of what you want, thats why people recommend going back to sleep right after waking up to do it, you need the brain to be able to wake up in some areas while other areas stay asleep.

I recommend doing reality checks, drinking camomile tea a couple of hours before sleep and going back to sleep right after waking up.

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da4d78  No.1578

>>1577

>I recommend doing reality checks

I started doing the sigil thing (inscribe your sigil into the wrist of your astral form with energy and then keep checking if it's there. if you see it, you are dreaming and become lucid) Tal recommended and before I'd also do some counting on fingers and looking at the clock.

>To get lucid in a dream you need to not be too tired

I admit most of the time I go fucked up to bed, and often I only have dreams in the morning when I fall asleep again after waking up. Once I had 3 different dreams in a short time period after I woke up in the morning and went back to sleep again. In that case I of course perfectly understand that no being would be able to get me lucid. I will now try to better myself and my sleep.

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cacd53  No.1582

Alright, I've got something to ask about this stuff. From what I've seen on this board so far there seems to be a lot of emphasis on your mind and imagination as ways of interacting with the astral. One thing I've been wanting to learn is channeling. From what I know so far, when you channel spirits and stuff you're supposed to "hear" their voices in your head or something like that. My problem when it comes to this is that I've always had super-active inner dialogue in my head, conversations back and forth in both language and in "hunches", etc. At this point, if I heard something else speak in my mind, I don't think I'd even be able to tell it wasn't me. I can't really "identify" voices, they just speak. How do you figure this out?

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edac4e  No.1583

File: b81fd52106300cf⋯.jpg (598.67 KB, 1100x743, 1100:743, lolibooru_45937_black_legw….jpg)

>>1582

Using visualizations is a way to get past the

>if I can't see it I don't believe it

thinking, as it means you can always see something if you want to. Someone who has already interacted with something can then give instructions for how to properly visualize it.

You can also easily summon any kind of being by simply creating an image as a request and someone who looks close enough will come to you. The widespread usage of anime characters on this board is for this reason, seeing them repeatadly makes it easier to visualize basic features.

This is for creating an interface in your mind for the external entity to sync with.

>I've always had super-active inner dialogue in my head, conversations back and forth in both language and in "hunches", etc. At this point, if I heard something else speak in my mind, I don't think I'd even be able to tell it wasn't me

The meeting room in the temple is made for these things. Yuuka will always be available there if your intent is friendly, all you need to do is create an image of her in your mind, ask the image something and wait her reply. She can connect you with another entity by calling them to the meeting room.

If you were to do this, you would have to practice visualizations until you can see both her and the other entity of your choice as silent images in your mind.

Channeling is different from telepathy in that you're letting them form sentences word for word, rather than sending you a telepathic compound message. That is what normally happens, they send you a package and your mind unpacks it and you understand the meaning in your own words. For channeling you need to be able to leave a large part of your mind empty since active speech takes more of your attention. But if you do it right it won't take more than 5 min to learn it decently, it didn't take longer for me, although I had used regular telepathy for a long time before that.

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bdaec6  No.1584

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>>1582

Whatever inclination you've had in making this post, in writing this post and then clicking the "New Reply" button, is probably you. Any voices, leanings, or impulses that aren't this might not be you. Any impulse might or might not be from you. If you like something you're not likely to question it, if you don't you're likely to dismiss it, so take some sort of systematic thinking, either logical or based off of a more emotional framework, to decide.

Don't think, and if any thoughts start coming up, those aren't yours. Unless you want them to be.

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512e04  No.1585

New to /sunflower/

I'm kind of going through a period of depression, lack of drive. I'm realizing there's a lot of hate in the world and it is disturbing to me. What I can do to get my energy level up/shield myself against harmful emotions/other?

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bdaec6  No.1586

>>1585

>I'm realizing there's a lot of hate in the world and it is disturbing to me

Forgive it and focus on yourself.

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cde658  No.1587

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>>1583

>the usage of characters makes it easier to visualize

We need to implement spirit iconoclasm tbh.

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bdaec6  No.1588

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>>1587

Look towards the top right corner of the screen and you should see text that reads [Options]. Scroll down a bit and there's a checkmark that, when checked, hides any images.

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cacd53  No.1589

>>1583

>>1584

I see, thanks for the tips. One other thing I've seen is that when something that isn't you "speaks" in your mind you'd just "know". Is that accurate? I don't know what the experience is like. If that's how it is could you describe it? What's the difference?

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bdaec6  No.1591

>>1589

>What's the difference?

Expectation and whether or not the logic used behind the thought/speech follows your own internal logic. I've had times when I'd argue against a devil's advocate (not literally, I mean I'm arguing a case for something with something I don't see but I still hear), and I don't have internal monologues in this way. Familiarity with yourself is required.

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edac4e  No.1593

>>1587

If you don't want to use methods that work, just don't take part here.

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d8bbf5  No.1696

Does anyone here have some experience with entities that closely resemble angels?

My results with magick so far have been great, but I like the idea of having a friendly spirit

by my side for assistance. I thought about creating a servitor for that purpose, but that's not what I truly want.

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edac4e  No.1700

>>1696

Why not go for an actual angel? They've been rather misrepresented in contemporary media so you can probably find one you like among them no matter your preference.

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56da25  No.1729

>>1700

Well, where do I start searching for then? Should I just use the temple and ask?

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4307a4  No.1730

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edac4e  No.1731

File: 893466c7201fc0a⋯.jpg (53.38 KB, 474x657, 158:219, angels.jpg)

>>1729

Try that. The angels I've met have all approached me, after I said I had never seen an angel and I don't believe in what I haven't seen myself. Some of them eventually got provoked by this and decided to show up. It's happened a few times since. I don't actually know how to summon them apart from those who gave me a sigil for them.

>>1730

If you find one on CH tho I can have a look there.

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4307a4  No.1732

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4307a4  No.1733

>>1731

just realised you are not the same anon, what a blunder.

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edac4e  No.1736

>>1732

If anon wants any of these he should post which one in the thread for this:

>>1298

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56da25  No.1742

>>1736

I will consider that, thank you.

>>1731

That's interesting because last year, exactly on my birthday and while I was meditating, I had a vivid vision about some angelic

looking being who walked me around a pretty city and introduced itself as a guide of myself.

I eventually decided to discard it as something self induced. It might have been something real because of the sudden nature, but I am a bit vary of visions and telepathy.

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edac4e  No.1745

>>1742

Sit down and recall the feeling of the scene which appeared to you and how you felt about this angelic being, then project warm emotions at your mental image of them. If there's someone there this should be enough to attract them.

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afee34  No.1749

>>1745

I tried and honestly, I still think it was a "dream", or me astral projecting into a real time generated environment. It really felt and feels like that.

I'm not sure if I have ever truly experienced communication with another entity. That's because of my poor senses at the moment.

There has been a group of spirits I telepathically interacted with for a while and it seemed real, at least there where accurate predictions about the future. But telepathy is very weird and I don't trust it blindly.

I'll probably go with the offer >>1736, but don't know which one to choose because of several reasons.

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532340  No.1761

Years ago, I meditated frequently and noticed that the 6th chakra (middle of the forehead) started to tingle a little bit, barely noticeable. As I meditated more, this tingling sensation became stronger and also stopped ever fading away. Weeks later, I had the same happening for my right palm and 7th chakra (top of the head), and eventually I had a permanently tingling/itching sensation (cold, stream-like, magnetic/electric/etheric) in these locations: 6th chakra, 7th chakra, spots around my head, both palms. There was also a what feels like a connection between the 6th and 7th chakra.

I was able to amplify these sensations to an overwhelming extent, mere thinking or meditation was also sufficient. Meanwhile, not thinking about it, not meditating, not practising anything esoteric, and ignoring does nothing to diminish it. Bringing palms or fingers to these spots, I can feel them connecting, getting stronger.

My question is, I don't know what exactly I am dealing with here. If you're wondering, though it didn't kickstart anything, it amplified things like astral projections, psi balls, circulating the microcosmi orbit, I was able to do them before. I even felt it all over my body briefly. When I sleep deprive myself, it automatically goes into overdrive mode (very strong sensation, visions, almost instant sleep paralysis/projection).

Does anyone know what it is? Why does it persist when I am not even focusing? What's actually going on and what do I do with it? It doesn't disturb me but it is highly frustrating having no clear knowledge. I have my guesses but I feel alone at this point after consulting esotericists, reading books and websites, practising various techniques (that didn't influence this situation).

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edac4e  No.1762

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>>1761

What kind of meditation? You're mentioning chakras so this implies you're doing some form of yoga?

Even if not mentioned in the same way, yoga also opens the energy streams of the body, called meridians in qi gong, and can also go as far as a complete opening and transformation, taoist style.

You seem to have gotten far enough for it to start happening, but the slowless of it is annoying you. I'd recommend trying to make a breakthrough, you may have built up some energy and set this in motion and now it's gotten stuck halfway.

The very much popularized sun salute sequence can open up your body if done with the right mindset. My solution would be to maintain your same meditative state, while doing the sequence 3 times. Then do this every morning before breakfast. It still takes time but I've found this to be very effective and give constantly new progress as a base practice. There are different versions but the positions are mostly similar, here's an example.

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532340  No.1764

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>>1762

>What kind of meditation?

I did cross-eyed meditation where you overlap two symbols into one, also known as training the two halves of the brain to communicate/synchronize with each other. People might know this technique from stereoscopy or "Magic Eye Images" (visual illusion of a three-dimensional scene within the human brain from an external two-dimensional image). One example in the attached picture. Just now, I found some references on cross-eyed meditation and 3rd eye opening: http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=635

A "breakthrough" is exactly what I've been seeking since it does feel like something is supposed to happen yet it lays dormant. I even stopped meditating and avoided all esotericism for a long period with no effect.

I can try this. I wanted to restart this type of Yoga anyways and have started stretching.

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d99baf  No.1765

>>1764

That's a strange way of doing that. The best way to train your brain hemispheres to talk to each other is learning to play an instrument, specifically a violin.

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532340  No.1766

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edac4e  No.1767

>>1764

>"Magic Eye Images"

I had a book with these as a kid, from the time when 3D graphics was vanguard technology.

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a57b47  No.1780

Hello guys I'm new here! Sorry for making such a self-centered questions, but I'm super confused. I found this board randomly, I saw the spirituality tag and I wanted to check it out cuz since I think 10yrs ago I have strange voice and journey like experiences. I don't want to expose my self to much just yet cuz I'm indeed scared of this world. But since going to yoga class, taroth expert, self proclaimed akashic master and even exorcist from Vatican never helped me I want to ask here. Cuz the world they see is not the world that I see. Is actually completely different. In both bad and good way, for sure their magic is significatly more powerful here in the real world but they have limitation, they can't see many dimensions and they borrow power instade of creating it. Well back to the topic I'm not quite sure my self of what I see and experience, people's that have esoteric experience call me a dimensional guardian. In my opinion I'm just a human. But I had many strange experience it all started one day in a friend house. I had a lucid dream of woman asking me of waking up all of my friends before an hour. I was there thinking it was just a dream and no particular reason to wake theme up. But suddenly a window that was cemented to the wall just brake open waking everyone up before the time limit. No not a normal window, there was no way of opening that. So we where all scared hearing strange noise and things like that. Then I suddenly fainted but I was conscious of it and I saw black mountains upside down dripping blood. I was scared and couldn't regain consciousness till an entity just appeared splitting in Alf the vision and making me regain consciousness. In that moment I had so many voice in my head and my left hand was burning. A friend near me asked what was on my hand so I looked at it and there was a bright red symbol of a triangle with 3 dot and a spiral underneath it. When I saw it an entity talked to me and said "you are lucky that on your hand is my art" and after that everything was becoming clear I heard many help request of spirits that wanted to guide me freeing theme. I just listened to their voices, they wanted me just to walk through the whole house anyway. And after that no more weird noises, no more fear, it was all gone. That's when I had the contact with my first entity. But I never heard of the entity that gave me the symbol again. After that I often saw a tower floating in the sky with just one window that was pitch black. And by looking at it I felt the urge to cry from nostalgia and heard a female voice singing. I never reached that tower and after a week it disappeared. So If someone know something about this can he or she please at least tell me if it's real or just mind trick? Ty for your attention. I'll be willing to share more experience in the future if needed

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edac4e  No.1782

>>1780

>people's that have esoteric experience call me a dimensional guardian

>I saw black mountains upside down dripping blood

>a bright red symbol of a triangle with 3 dot and a spiral underneath it

>a tower floating in the sky with just one window that was pitch black. And by looking at it I felt the urge to cry from nostalgia and heard a female voice singing.

You've given a lot of interesting details here. All of these are similar to what some other people involved here have experienced or seen in connection to others, specifically the things I quoted are similar. The black mountains and the feeling of nostalgia stand out as something I recognize. There was also what seems like a sigil for the entity contacting you. Could you maybe make a drawing of it?

One thing to keep in mind is that your mental images often appear fantastic when in actuality referencing past events, as in previous lives. But your current mindset prevents you from understanding the situations so they appear that way. Our current world isn't well suited for interpreting these things properly because the past was spiritual in a natural way people with the modern mind cannot grasp.

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a57b47  No.1785

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>>1782

Brother ty for your time. Here is the "symbol" don't the shape. The real one was "perfect" and every circle was the same size.

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cde658  No.1787

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>>1780

For your vision of the tower, look into the concept of a black mirror, as used in magic. It is often just a piece of glass painted black on the reverse end, but the symbolism is very important. Otherwise, compare your Tower with the pic posted in >>1177 and >>1178. This is a universal, and recurring concept. Compare the Tower with the letter 'I'.

If you're a dimensional guardian, your presence here is encouraging. We've moved our timeline outside of the main attractor field for our dimension, which puts us outside the direct influence of a lot of entities, as well as fate. Naturally you're human, but you're probably the emanation of some ascended being trying to influence things here. To get an idea of who your self might be, as well as your purpose here, you should study your natal chart.

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bdaec6  No.1797

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edac4e  No.1806

>>1785

I will attempt to contact them and will get back with results later.

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cde658  No.1808

File: d09c9cbd1c0850b⋯.jpg (227.27 KB, 736x1274, 368:637, tIwer.jpg)

>>1797

Not even kidding, you can learn high magic by playing Morrowind. Kirkbride encoded perhaps the most complete contemporary metaphysical systems into the lore of a fucking video game.

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