/sunflower/ - Sunflower

Is it enough to draw the sigil in your mind to successfully activate them?

I would just close my eyes and imagine my astral hand drawing the sigil with the index finger onto the darkness of my vision and when it's done I just activate it with my will and imagine it starting to burn in a blue fire and then after it's enough charged I simply let it dissapear. It's comfy because you can do it while meditating/in trance and then just keep on meditating and there is no need to actually deal with drawing it somewhere physically and destroying it afterwards.

Will it work like this if I wanna to try out the remote viewing and the telepathy one? If not, would it then be enough just to trace the sigil with my physical hand in the air while imagining the rest?

>>113

>imagine my astral hand drawing the sigil with the index finger onto the darkness of my vision and when it's done I just activate it with my will and imagine it starting to burn in a blue fire and then after it's enough charged I simply let it dissapear.

>trace the sigil with my physical hand in the air while imagining the rest

Either of these works. When your mind has linked to the spell once you shouldn't need to do the full activation again. It's enough to maintain the image of the sigil in your active consciousness until your mind "finds" the location of the spell. You should feel when this happens as the spell network carries some energy. It was explained in another post but I may as well repeat it: the sigil refers you to the creator of the spell or anyone who has learned it to copy their energy. It's like a distributed network online. It will balance naturally and the more people use the spells the more powerful they will become. Most of the spells were created by a spirit guide loosely associated with the succbus collective, some were created in cooperation with a coven of japanese vampire spirits.

I'm saying this so that there is no confusion on what they are or where they're from. Whatever magic you use you'll be in contact with an egregore of some kind, it's unavoidable. This way no one will feel they were cheated or tricked later.

The spells just do what they they do, no matter their origin.

>>121

Yeah it's nice to see you too here. It isn't that big of a surprise that we both ended up here since there is nowhere else to go and all other boards are dead. Seems like it's either here or nowhere. But this board is pretty comfy and has some cool things going on that one can try so it's fine.

On topic, we all know how to create the usual throwaway sigils that you use once and then forget about them. Make a sentence, remove double letters, draw it in astylized shape, charge it etc etc. But I want to create different kind of sigils, more like spells actually that can be reused infintely and always grant the same specific effect when used. A sigil that I can activate in my mind or trace it in the air whenever I need to and it's done, quick and easy. Basically just like those in this thread, except they are used not only once but whenever and as often as needed and they belong personally to me so that only I may use them to begin with. For example, to protect an area or whatever. In what kind of manner are they made? I've also tought about creating my own spells like the spellcards in Touhou and even "stands" like in Jojo part 3. It's all based on your energy, will and astral abilities anyway but I don't know what's exactly possible.

>>125

I get it. But generally it is much easier imo to perform a spell and manipulate reality if you create something "tangible" and "real" for your mind to get a grip on, something to operate from. Especially for beginners it's very helpful. Make a motion with your hand, draw a sigil, say a mantra, breath, all that can be used to give the signal to activate a spell to make it easier. A sigil is just a convenient form that's why I had the idea.

I made a couple of sigils in the past, I was skeptical at first but actually all my intentions worked, sooner or later. I'm planning to make another batch soon and I wanted to ask if there is more to it than I currently know and if there is a "correct" way to make them. I'll write down my own creation process below:

>draw a sigil on a piece of paper

>sit in front of it, then meditate repeating my intention and imagining thing I wish for to infuse the sigil

>I often introduce element where I heavily focus on sigil and get my mind "reset" by something else for split second (getting scared, or having orgasm). I don't know if that's really necessary but I believe it works somehow

>destroy the piece of paper or hide it in place I never check

>forget about the intentions and the fact I create that sigil in the first place

I'm curious what you think about the process and if you have your own special way of creating sigils.

>>173

I've personally never understood the part about manually charging a sigil. That method seems artificial and not like it would produce any strong results. The sigil is meant to contain within its form the things you want to achieve. If you do feel the intent deep inside you will manifest it already in the process of creation so no extra charging is needed. I see you left out the actual creation process so I can't really give an opinion on it.

I think you're focusing on the wrong thing so I'll just embed a generic instruction for sigil creation and you can see for yourself. This is basically how I do it, but I should point out that this method works best for hexes in my experience. The activation would then be to roll up the paper and burn it.

Another way for more normal sigils (non malevolent) would be to draw them on the ground and then erase them.

Reusable sigil like the ones above in the thread are referential, they don't in themselves contain any power but merely refer to an entity, spell or universal function. Those require "activation" for each use in the form of your own intent being expressed at the sigil, similar to a phone call.

>>173

My process is as follows:

>write intent carefully considering every word

>remove repeated letters and vowels and spend a few minutes making a cool looking sigil with what remains

>destroy everything but the final form drawn in half a sheet

>gaze into it until I drop into trance and it starts glowing and/or wobbling

>enjoy this for a while

>burn it

Works better if I forget the sigil before activation, but with practice I am at the point where it matters very little. I have my own theories of why this works, but it’s an all-encompassing theory of magic that will shit on other people’s beliefs. Sigils are a terribly misunderstood subject, even by those who make them work successfully. But everyone thinks they got everything figured out, so.

>>125

I like this way of putting it.

Compared to creating a normal sigil for personal use, how would you create a “shareable” sigil? Can you write the process?

>>197

It's a lot simpler than it seems. For the telepathy 2 way spell I created the spell and shared it with a few people including the entities who helped me make it. It was a cooperation between japanese vampires and kitsunes, I then made my own version of what they contributed, which is the spell now linked to the sigil.

I picked the tyr rune because it's an arrow and focused on representing the meaning of the spell using a combination of tyr runes.

The other spells were made by a spiritual guide who then just built on this and based their sigils on the tyr rune. I didn't create those, I merely received the images and drew them.

>>198

Yeah but how do you create the sigil to begin with? For example, I can’t do a visualization or a ritual and turn it into a sigil without it manifesting in the process, not that I know of. What is the method, specifically? How do your turn a working into a sigil?

>>198

>kitsunes

Got any sigil to get in contact with them or summon one or are they also as secretive as the japanese vampires? Also is there a "fox god" aby any chance, like one major kitsune deity?

>>202

>kitsune sigil

It almost reads like “big woman”.

Magic for neutralizing evil by grounding it. Scroll/spell and staff versions available, or make your own. I'll place copies of the ones I made by this post.

>>271

Could you describe the process you followed to create this please?

I’d assume there is some sort of intellectual decision process because you deliberately used astrological and elemental symbolism, but did you do any channeling as well? How did you imbue the sigil with power?

>>274

I didn't channel any help, since I don't personally know any entities that could help with this, or would be willing to.

The design of the actual graphical sigil was done in a procedural manner, taking the intended final effect, and breaking it down into the internal forces involved, and how they need to be steered to achieve this.

You'll notice the Sun and Moon symbols form a roughly 90 degree angle with Saturn, or, an astrological square, an opposition. Below Saturn is the philosophical earth, and, together, they signify material existence. the triangle from which the Sun and Moon hang is the internal principle of water, or receptive emotion, and it is squared, forming a greater internal being, though not reaching down to the soul. Within the square sits a symbol which is simply my surface sigil, and signifies the outer properties of stability and eternity, of the Saturnine archetype. It serves to base the sigil off of my sphere of influence, and means I don't need an entire group of people charging it, since it is directly linked to my own conception of its effect.

The Sun and Moon also cross over the tip of the Water triangle, forming a hidden, or invisible Earth, through their electric sexual energies, which is the Astral body. The Astral Body therefore substitutes the physical one as the seat of the mind.

If I'd used channeling, the same would have likely been condensed into a much more compact form.

The sigil was imbued with power by creating a dedicated thoughtform, programmed to influence the user's internal energies in the way described, and a mental copy is formed by staring at it for a short while. The activation word, "parte", roughly means to "separate", and is included both to focus the user's intent toward this goal, as well as to leave the sigil inactive unless you specifically intend to use it.

Since the sigil isn't exactly charged like a normal one, it requires sustained use to solidify the thoughtform in the user's mind, but this method is very versatile when you need to work by yourself. The centre symbol can be switched out for a smaller sigil of an egregore to turn it into a traditionally charged one.

With the weekend here, I'm also dropping the Skeletor avatar, fun as it was.

This thread is missing some basic information… Namely, how do you use a sigil? How long do non-summoning sigils last? Is it possible to combine sigils? Basic info like this really should have been in the OP.

>>531

These sigils are not standardized and their usage varies, so users will simply have to learn how to adapt. See below:

>>6

Sigil from Bastet.

>>7

Referential sigils pointing to spell networks.

>>8

Referential sigils pointing to both spells and artifacts.

>>118

Sigil for the egregore of a type of magic.

>>202

Sigil for a specific group of yokai.

>>222

Sigil containing a spell.

>>421

Sigil containing a spell.

>>521

Representative sigil for this egregore of the board.

>>539

Ok let me clarify the first question as apparently I was not clear enough. Is simply writing out a sigil enough to activate once created by someone else or do I have to do something else with it?

>>542

Summoning sigils can be drawn and may work based on the entity having an awareness of when someone draws their sigil.

Contact sigils are usually meant to be used as a mental focus point to express a message at, such as a request for contact or to be used as a direction to send telepathic messages directly to the group.

The spells' usages also vary based on if they're contained in the sigil or if they're referential. Referential sigils require you to meditate on the image, preferably by learning it and visualizing it or staring at it until your mind "finds" the spell network. Sigils containing the spell will be learned by memorizing the sigil and letting your intent play out through it by using it as a mental focus for intent.

Leaving specific manuals for every single sigil type would be contradictory. Who would have use for them? If you can't intuitively see how the sigil is to be used, your skill level is too low to use the spell or talk to the target entity either way.

If you post your own sigils for beginners you're free to include instructions for them.

>>580

>The first sigil

This seems to correctly explain the location of the space created as "reality" by past "enlightened" beings. Its placement means it can only exist as long as the (limited, fossilized) form it was derived from remains. Recreating this is what religions of the past want to achieve, only to repeat the cycle of creation, limited existence and destruction.

>Second image

It seems correct enough. Using the mass force of many beings with no regard for their individual stance on issues beyond the physical, bodily and technical, a space has been forced into existence. Bringing any implications of direction, based on a personal human view (humanism) into the egregore will be treated as hostility and rejected.

This function is the reason many different deities can attend sessions with ease. The method for rejecting the human viewpoint is not important to them, as long as the minds of the participants contain a space freed from it, with which they can interact. If principles had been allowed here, it may be written as "end result over all, the path irrelevant." Ideology here being treated as the means or the specific "path" to reach a certain goal. Putting this in a political frame, many people do seem to have the same goals when asked, but they fight over what method to use. For this reason, a different version of "diversity" is applied here, a complete diversity of personal paths where no ideology can exist as those are based on a streamlining of the methods used by different people and as such not fully truthful. As an example, someone may call themselves a liberal, and then others will understand them as wanting to do things a certain way, but there will still be conflicts on what the meaning of "liberal" is, as everyone come from their own personal background as individuals.

To solve this, the only ideology allowed is "me", from everyone's existing view of what that is. It means that the ideology is your own personality and cannot be applied for anyone else. As such, talking about it is irrelevant outsite of blogging. (Which is fully allowed, as long as it's called "blogging" and not claims to be "ideology"!)

>>1053

Remilia also made a wand version of it, if anyone prefers that, but it requires a visit to the study corner in the meeting room. It looks the same as the sigil in shape, but white.

>>1053

What do you think is the cause of the incel phenomenon ?

The way I see things, it has less to do with cultural trends and more with a loss of incentives. Progress and certain policies have led to a situation where women no longer need men the way they used to. The best description of this modern situation that I've heard is comparing it to how hunter gatherers lived.

There would be one or a few top males who got all the women. The rest of the men didn't reproduce, but still worked for the good of the tribe and it was ok because they were all kind of related. You're not a genetic dead end as a hunter gatherer incel if your male cousin is reproducing with your sister. This same sort of pattern is repeating in the modern world, even without alimony, divorce and child support payments, taxes still go to fund women and their children. It's interesting to note that in both of these situations, despite not having explicit power, women are the ones benefiting the most.

>>1053

Sugoi. How do you even come up with this stuff?

>>1055

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM

>>1055

>What do you think is the cause of the incel phenomenon ?

Personally? Agree with this being a stone age situation re-appearing, and I think it's good. The whole INCEL problem is really caused by entitlement and false expectations created by the nuclear family ideal and modern morality. For some reason, all over the world, humans are no longer applying the genetically most suitable method of procreation in which the best males have many women. With few exceptions they instead enforce an ideal of one man, one woman. This is nothing but relational socialism. I believe freemasons are behind it, they want to even everything out and can't think beyond the individual. They'd come up with something as retarded as this. It goes against human nature, yet they call it "humanism", goes to show they have no clue what the fuck they're doing.

/pol/acks, "christians" and others are constantly bitching about women being whores and about how they want to lock them up. Never do they consider the possibility that their ideals of the one man, one woman, is the real problem.

We need to remove this flawed thinking and return to the kind of society which serves our race instead of false socialist entitlement. That is, in my opinion, what the second sexual revolution is about. Abolishing the marriage ideal and creating a sustainable funding model for the raising of the new generations. The "father pays" norm has to go, obviously. Children are already treated as public property through mandatory schooling by the state, so why is it the biological father's task to pay for them? That is illogical and unfair. It's state schizophrenia, you either own the children and support them, or you don't get involved. You don't claim to control their upbringing while someone else pays for it. Imagine if you bought a car, but the government demands to use it between 7 am and 4 pm every day, but you still have to pay full price for it. That would be communism. Yet no one questions it when it comes to their own children?

>>1059

The incel movement is the opposition to female sexual immorality, nothing more complicated than that. I don't know the source of female sexual immorality so I don't know what that stands in opposition to, but it does stand in opposition to men.

>>1056

>How do you even come up with this stuff?

Personal practice and autistic discussions over 2,5 years on this thing called "discord."

>>1057

>The only viable genetic phenotype that doesn't actually seek out sexual reproduction are geniuses, those who obsess over particular subjects or such genetic freaks as to have more intelligence than anyone should, and those people aren't born often.

The current model already means those with low income won't reproduce, that is a fact. In Japan as many as up to 50 or 60% of males won't reproduce for this reason, they can't afford it. Egypt, India and other countries which are very strict about marriage are the same. No high paying job, no woman. Then all you have left is to join an islamist terror group and demand to be given a woman. See where this is going? When socialism isn't working, demand more socialism!

During the past few 100s years, 14% of the european males were executed for committing violent crimes and those didn't reproduce either to the same degree. It was an effective way of removing the most violent tendencies. With the abolishing of the death penality, these anti social genes are preserved and this likely plays part in creating INCEL terrorists. They just have violent genes which should have been removed from the gene pool, but weren't as a result of equality and democracy.

>She didn't make a wand

I saw a wand, so that's what I formed it into as I picked it up and placed it in the study for storage.

>>1060

>female sexual immorality

Doesn't exist. That's what you see from within an entitled view. INCELs oppose nature, they see women as they are and think it's wrong. That's a totally futile effort if they try to change it and build a society based on such thinking. It will collapse because it's unnatural, and they'll always blame women for it, not their own flawed expectations and deluded understanding of the world. That is what the INCEL problem is about.

>>1061

>The current model already means those with low income won't reproduce

Another problem with the formation you're presenting is the thought that men and women should have children. Some people shouldn't reproduce, some environments shouldn't have more people, sometimes letting populations decline is the correct move and not endlessly having more children to fill in gaps that don't exist.

>>1062

Incels exist for a reason and it's not because they're purely evil. Look at the bigger picture instead of believing that the end stage of a problem is in actuality the entirety of the problem. Sexual immorality exists within the level of deception and lies, in not upholding verbal contracts or committing to own's one beliefs and statements. Both men and women are capable of this.

>>1063

>Another problem with the formation you're presenting is the thought that men and women should have children.

You're misinterpreting what I wrote. I replied to the criticism of the male harem model in which many men won't reproduce, by pointing out that they already aren't reproducing. Not a lot needs to change there, it's the ideals, expectations making people unhappy and the economic models which needs to be adapted.

>>1066

>Passionate and intelligent leaders work to dissolve destructive and negative thinking in the people they lead

Those leaders are what the Sunflower Project will create, as they are nowhere to be found in the world today.

>>1064

>Sexual immorality

Sex morals is an oxymoron. There is nothing moral about sex, and trying for there to be is unnatural.

>>1064

I get what >>1062 is saying. Women are just like that, they are what you label "indecent" by nature. And the way society worked throughout history was simply the natural way it had to work taking into account how women and men are by nature. This recent new way is simply struggling to go against that, and will cause friction and problems until balance is restored.

>>1068

You can take sex and view it from any angle you want, from an academic perspective or a tantric, to an economical perspective, what have you. Purely talking from the perspective of a relationship between one man and a woman, or multiple men and multiple women, the act of lying or deception is what I define sexuality immorality to be. Not putting benis in bagina in the wrong way or fashion although even the formation that >>1050 presents does work under the thinking that some insertion methods are wrong.

>>1069

If I'm capable of upholding my own beliefs then I expect women to be capable of this as well. Upholding and standing with traditions blindly is part of the problem.

I'm not sure I would completely agree that it's a good situation. Right now females are selecting mates mostly based on perceived ability to perform, not actual performance. There is room for false signaling because no one is truly being tested.

In my own thinking on this the only solution I can come up with is for things to become more chaotic again, for there to be struggle in life. The extreme of chaos is death, but the extreme of order is cancer. We have become cancerous as a society. I feel like my solution is a type of cop out though, rather than find a way to move forward again, you're just regressing to a point where things worked. Even if we regress and things get more chaotic and uncertain, we're bound to be back here again once selection pressures work their magic, faced with the same problem.

So I'm very interested in your matriarchy solution as a means of getting through the doldrums of advanced society.

>>1071

>matriarchy solution

>you're just regressing to a point where things worked. Even if we regress and things get more chaotic and uncertain, we're bound to be back here again

The matriarchy solution will be final because the way the sexes work is different. Patriarchy cannot be sustained if matriarchy emerges within, as proven by the emergence of feminism with its in-denial pushing of toxic masculinity/INCEL.

Matriarchy on the other hand can function as the silent hand maintaining restrictions, by fully emulating a complete patriarchy under its control. Any female unhappy with this inner patriarchy will then be given the choice of moving out and taking full responsibility for herself with no social resistance of the kind existing today. Given how people are, it's even likely that a matriarchal society in actuality will be an even stronger patriarchy than today for this reason.

The opposite of feminism would be masculinism and we would see the creation of a toxic femininity instead. Because of the natural differences between the sexes, it's unlikely that this kind of movement would turn into a female INCEL movement. They would simply not face resistance of the kind men do and the energy would disperse without the pressure cooker effect of today.

>>1072

I think I understand and can see how that would work. Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding this.

The matriarchs, women, do what they do best and select/entice the best men to lead this inner patriarchy. Those men have their position and their power because of women. Because they don't have power of their own they can't use leverage to rebel against nature in order to benefit themselves. This sounds quite similar to the bene gesserit in dune.

>>1073

That's fundamentally what his solution is in my eyes. The problem is that the best men, those who don't listen others and instead remake the world into their vision, are going to be running on the energies of amok. The original incel movement uses the worst bottom percent of men who feel they have nothing to lose, and only things to gain, as the outlet for these feelings of injustice.

>>1072

What you describe is the traditional Mediterranean and Middle Eastern society. Men run the state outwardly, while women run the private life and the communitary backbone of the state, education and welfare. Men decide and push outwards while women implement and organize. Of course there is room for outliers in both sexes, but there shouldn’t a delusion like there is in our current world that the male and female principles can somehow be ignored.

That’s natural Sun and Moon balance.

What we are seeing in our world is a weak male principle (man children) that is afraid of being displaced in its solar role and is exerting excessive control over the female principle, which itself is overreaching to compensate that weakness. Men are simply not men anymore. They are angry and scared children. For some reason, the male aspect of society has contracted. All the perceived evils of women and femaleness are simply a compensation of this imbalance.

Shit. You know what this is? Schizophrenia. This is societal schizophrenia.

>>1075

>Men's feelings of injustice are real, even if you don't like it.

Obviously the feelings are real, I'm talking about how to remove them. Feeling wronged is a legit feeling even when there is no material reason to feel so. Entitlement, false expectations and a delusional worldview can make anyone feel wronged. The feelings existing doesn't make the situations they react to real, it's caused by their flawed perception of reality. They'll be happy once they realize how reality really is.

The real issue here is deeper then even that.

Two layers of not being natural. The sec9nd prevent thing from ever being natural inside this plane.

The first is instinctual. The real dynamics between the two biological genders isn't properly reflected in it's encapsulating society. This is what these spells are aiming to fix.A part of a bigger fix.

However the real real issue is this second layer. The unnatural state of being human itself.

You see, gender dynamics make it so that there is an inherent level of difference in perceived value between the 2 genders favoring women. If the societal dynamics get in line with instinctual dynamics dictated by biology in principle there wouldnt be any issue at first glance.

However there is a fundamental issue or friction at the soul level for many individuals.Humanity is a state where the souls values and bioligical reality are simply mismatched for most people. Those who have attained a certain sense if inherent "logic","willpower","justice" simply will not accept being seemingly arbitrarily placed in second place for no reason(incels as in described here don't have much esoteric knowledge remember that) incels are not really a collection of bottom tier men. Its more of a collection of ultra bottom tier men for who reality is hell and bottom tier or any tier higher men who have the ability to hold on their actual self to a degree and have some degree of wanting to project their soul level values unto the mechanism of sex. The issue being that souls are not mostly human in nature. A truly human soul would be malleable and submissive. Would innately have no issue with injustice or unfairness and would have no concept of these things. Altering who gets to reincarnate for what reason might solve the issue if we look at humanity as a single independent problem to fox but that would probably defeat the purpose of the human existence.If all you value is a perfect human society then you shouldn't expect much immediate external gain to be able to be extracted from humanity. This can't work on an individual soul level either unless you made the whole universe filled with souls designed for being human primarily at all levels so that should one fall down there is somehow a spot wherein they can place themselves and operate with zero friction.Telling a demon to accept something using logic belonging to a different type of being won't work.

Making magic more accessible should help perhaps a bit. People,being aware of their own nature, could perhaps form enclaves.Basically not ignoring spiritual dna but making a society that works on both levels. This would be more simple if people were more similar race wise in the first place(like having only 1 race in the planet) Now you have to create a frictionless system on 3 different major axis.(race,gender,polarity)

>>1061

>Personal practice and autistic discussions over 2,5 years on this thing called "discord."

Can I get invites to your discord frequently visited servers?

>>1087

Relevant servers are all private so an invite won't be posted on here, but if you give me your tag here or on the skype group

https://join.skype.com/jqQEfmiEhsPO

I'll talk to you and maybe I can get you an invite.

>>1105

Thanks for sharing.

>>3434

Nice, no joke only an hour ago or so when I opened my browser I for some reason found the "Succubus General" section of the wordpress blog brought up in the open tab. I even noted at the time that it must have been the succubus that has been with me lately trying to show me something.

>>4279

>a pretty strong reaction

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