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0b24c4 No.698

Can I cuddle with my waifu if I learn to lucid dream?

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71b6db No.724

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Yes. Anything.

>write down your dreams starting now

>write in keywords only, short and precise

>write anything you can remember, if you remember very old dreams

>after waking up, write what happened in the recent dream immediately

Just woke up?

>write/type what you remember

>or record yourself with your phone - write it down later

One trick to not forgetting is to not open your eyes immediately,

Try to remember the dream in bite-sized keywords.

Open only one eye, find your note or phone

Record, write, or type the keywords down.

>read the dreams, old or recent ones

>go back to sleep but try not to sleep

>eyes closed but focused and awake.

>no body movement, no scratching

Be comfortable enough, don't put pillows over your chest.

After a while

>pic related. dark -> light

>hear weird noises similar to a marketplace ambient noise

>feel flushing or floating/rocking

>but suddenly it's total darkness again

>you can feel your body, and hear your surroundings too

You are now in sleep paralysis. Don't panic.

If you've ever been in one, you either proceed to wake up or continue.

>continue?

>imagine a candle, a flame, a vintage bulb, or lamp.

>light source must come from you.

>congratulations, you did it. a place where you have total control than would dream/reality.

Try to wake up the same way you do when in sleep paralysis if you accidentally got in that state (happens sometimes).

Most of the time, you'd just run out of juice and wake up from the lucid dream without having to force your way out.

You can experience any sensation imaginable, conjure beings or objects and make them do your bidding.

Everything is up to you.

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5bc378 No.725

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What are the spiritual reasons for wanting the ability to lucid dream? AP is logical but lucid dreaming is just playing in your imagination like you can while awake but more vivid.

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b394af No.728

>>725

>lucid dream

>AP

>just playing in your imagination

>like you can while awake

The four are literally the same thing.

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5bc378 No.729

>>728

If you want to be anal about it then yes technically they are the same thing. What I was getting at is that lucid dreaming is mostly you interacting with just yourself in your own little place on the astral, while AP you also interact with other entities and things that aren't created by yourself. While every one of these things take place on the astral it's all with different purposes but with this in mind I can't see a gain from lucid dreaming.

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2ce972 No.731

>>729

Introspection. But no one actually uses it for that.

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d92263 No.935

>>725

I'm kinda interested in this for this reason.

A few years ago I had a series of realistic dreams following an event best described as a light in the center of my head, or at least in my perception as being behind my eyes.

Afterward came 5 nights of dreams so real I had subtle physicaly sensation of the conditions and textures i was in and the surfaces i touched.

The first night, I came conscious in the dream in a Colosseum or a senate room, what ever it was it was lit only by braziers around the center floor and the back walls.

I was on the center floor and before me lay a giant of a man, red as if caked with blood dried to his armor and skin, he rose to his feel with his arms, a spear and a shield, afterward i kneeled and addressed him as "pater".

Then the first night's dream ended.

Then the second night, I became consious i was dreaming by sensing, I couldn't "see" so much as I could tell i was in a dark cave-like place deep beneath the ground too dark to see as there were no sources of light nor heat.

Just the cold stone beneath my feet, the infinite darkness surrounding me, and the throne set into the wall of stone before me.

The figure in the throne was a man, massive broadly-built and muscled to having the frame of a bear he had black hair and a beard both well kept.

All of a sudden i felt a massive force of weight fall upon my shoulders forcing me to kneel, he then addressed me as what i heard as "analog" and the dream ended.

The third night was no different in being weird, this time i awoke in what i could only understand as between the earth and the moon, while a pale female figure stood upon the moon and spoke to me.

She was uneasy, not afraid, but something was off, or shouldn't be.

I couldn't make much out other that "I could die" as i could barely hear her, then the dream ended.

the 4th night is where it all went nuts, i awoke in a grass field, maybe it had a tree or a few of them, i was with the pale female figure who was still off.

Then a bug started flying around, it was annoying at first, but then i noticed every time it buzzed past me it was larger and larger.

Eventually it was the size of a man and was grabbing for her, i hit it and my hand broke and skin tore.

It stopped only for a moment so i hit it again, the pain only got worse but i noticed my hand was starting to warp as blood bone skin and sinue morphed into long hard claws and bony and spiked joints.

After i bashed open the first bug and tore out it's guts another came, so i attacked it to.

As i kept attacking i kept chaming, at first i became more lupine like a werewolf but then i would grow tentacles that would grow rough hook-like barbs and eyes that i could see through, hair i could feel the wind and the weight of the bug blood and guts stuck to it.

eventually i grew wings, extra arms as more and more bugs and monsters i didn't even look at fully before rending apart in a whirlwind of rage and blood.

eventually i couldn't keep up and instead grabbed the pale maiden in my most human-looking arms and fled, my tentacles maiming any fliers that came to close in pursuit as others warped into wings so i could take flight.

It didn't help for long as i was eventually forced to land by their numbers and i made a stand with her held closely to my chest.

I slaughtered them as so as my eyes caught them, any of them, all along my tentacles were simple eyes, my wolfish face had them all the way from the tip of the snout to the tips of the curled horns that ran down my back between my wings and the mane of tentacles that had grown and were extended to protect the pale maiden while my arms tore at anything in reach.

After what seemed like hours, they finally stopped coming, i stood drenched like a wet dog in blood and guts in a pile of giblets up to my knees.

As i put her slowly and carefully i noticed that in all the frenzy of the battle not only was she unharmed, she wasn't even touched by the single smallest drop of blood.

Tired and exasperated i dropped to my knees as a warm summer rain began to fall washing my form off, she kissed my forehead and i woke up in an instant, still feeling the warmth of her lips on my skin.

the 5th night comes as a conversation in actual clouds among stellar nurseries and stars with figures both luminous and undefinable.

I remember nothing of what was said, only that it put me as ease.

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a8da6b No.1992

>>698

Get a body pillow if you want to do that.

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6ffd5f No.3738

Frenly reminder to be nice to your dream beings. The notion that dream people are unsensing automatons that you can feel free to sexually exploit and whatever is false. Dream responsibly.

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a638bd No.3739

>>3738

It's best to consume your dream beings, that way you grow stronger.

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367dc6 No.3740

What even are dreams?

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84f425 No.3790

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>>3740

It's your awareness leaving your regular reality which you are imprisoned in by default and partaking in other realities, playing out other characters and so on. Every dream is real on the astral (the physical is astral too, matter isn't real. It only appears like that because your mind is trapped here). In some dreams your mind travels to other worlds and timelines which already exist, in other dreams your mind creates entire worlds and characters by itself which may last only as long as the dream lasts, but that doesn't mean they are less real or valid than any other world. All is mind, everything is real…or nothing is real, depends on how you see it.

This reality is just another dream too. Your mind never goes to sleep, it's always awake and aware. Having dreams is just bringing back memories that were made, while having no dreams means memories were not made or lost while your mind was out and about in other realities. Not being able to retain memories or staying conscious seems like oblivion or nothingness or being asleep, but it's just not having memories. A untrained soul and body will mostly fail at making memories, especially the lack of a proper astral body. Because making memories is not what the mind does, it's what the soul or astral body does. This is why you make memories when you are awake just fine (well more or less, depends on how much of a "brain-afk" npc you are) because your soul is awake and functioning, but in the night it shuts down and when your mind wanders about, you need an astral body to make the memories outside. (there is no actual outside though). If you dream that means you have a sufficent enough astral double which creates memories and brings them back into your soul when you wake up, that's why you remember dreams. This is why it is important to take care of your health and live a spiritual livestyle at least to some minimal degree, in order to have enough energy to power up and project a proper astral form. When you visualize while you are awake, your mind can travel about and you still make perfect memories because your soul is awake and active. This is why when visualizing during the day being awake, you don't need an extra astral body since your soul is not shut down.

As far as I'm concerned, your mind is your truest self, it's your true eternal true intelligent awareness but it lacks character and all the instruments that you need to "live" as a proper consciouss individual such as making memories and probably even senses. Your soul is what does all those things, what is it is basically multiple layers of energy that make up your being. When your mind is the Spirit, your soul is the Wisdom that allows you to properly exist. In this regard it is important that the mind always has some sort of energy body, or else you won't be a concious individual being experiencing life. The quest for immortality and enlightenment is to create such an eternal, immortal soul or energy body in on way or another. In order for the energy body or soul to survive even the big collapse of the universe when everything dissapears again including all the timelines, astral worlds and so on, the mind must make the soul as itself is so that it can survive even in the void, or literal nothingness. I believe that everything created in the universe, even in the astral and all the dimensions are created of matter energy, and so is your soul and body(the physical body is just the outtermost layer of the soul) and the matter energy gets finer and finer and more refined the higher the dimensions go up, but your mind is made of something different….maybe antimatter, dark matter, void, "nothingness"…whatever. In order to be truely immortal and free your soul or energy body must thus bome the same stuff as the mind, transformed into antimatter or whatever. This is what it really means to leave "the matrix" and become immortal. The Gnostics call the mind the "Spirit" or the "Holy Ghost", and it is the most important thing there is. It is the real you and only it can liberate you. Find it, unearth it, train it, let it take control of your soul and transform it. Everything is a dream experienced by the mind, it is up to you to unite your soul and mind and dream eternally.

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866b9f No.3800

>>3790

So why does the soul need to 'shut down' every night?

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84f425 No.3804

>>3800

Why do you go to sleep? You are tired and need to recharge and rest. If you(your soul) had infinite energy maybe you wouldn't need to shut down and sleep, but you don't.

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483068 No.3882

>You can experience any sensation imaginable, conjure beings or objects and make them do your bidding.

>Everything is up to you.

I don't want that anymore. I'd much prefer having experiences where I don't have all the control. Control over me and the power of choice, but not control over the world and its inhabitants.

I think I'll try to channel this intent as I go back to sleep.

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