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The Sunflower Project aims to create an environment for esoteric study and development by gathering skillful persons, with no regard for ideologies or opinions.
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673ce2  No.2[Last 50 Posts]

Talk about your practice and related topics in a relaxed manner!

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673ce2  No.17

We're up. Let's get this going.

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673ce2  No.23

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Now feels like a good period to go on a retreat and plan ahead. Old obstacles have passed and new possibilities are opening.

This also leaves an opening for anyone interested in joining the Sunflower Project. What is this, what do we do and what are our goals? If you have any questions, don't hold back!

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8d25ce  No.24

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>>23

Could you elaborate more about adopting a catgirl? What's the use and what is expected from me in return? Also since Gensokyo was mentioned on this board too, can I combine both and adopt Chen?

Vampire here, my goals are attaining telepathy and astral travel and then preferebly go on to live on the astral permanently, leaving the physical behind. The future in mundane society holds absolutely nothing good for me, I am done here. I am looking forward into the direction of the astral realms and astral beings and removing myself from the physical ever more. And being a fan of Touhou of course Gensokyo strikes me as very alluring. Touhous are the last videogames I still have and still play, because the are very uplifting and inspiring to me. Even before it came to my understanding that it is based of an actual astral place I always felt like when you play the games, you get connected to a higher spirit, it always feels more magical than most, if not all, other videogames. Also I'm birthing/creating my own astral body and ingeneering my own astral island, I'll post it when it's done so maybe someone can visit it. The only problem is that I can't properly astral travel yet so I can't even go there for real myself, except in imagination.

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673ce2  No.25

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>>24

Catgirls in general are underlings of Bast/Bastet, the egyptian deity. The sigil posted was from her to begin with, but the cat who provided it forgot to mention that. The touhous are to be viewed as archetypes, meaning there may be more than one of them. Chen being a very strong character is likely to be a freelancer catgirl and cannot be adopted. As catgirls count as yokais they are welcome in Gensokyo and in this case may serve as a link to the world for you, as well as a companion when exploring, should you need one. But mostly they are in some way descendants of Bastet and carry her magical knowledge. They're simply cats who can speak like a human, walk like a human and perform magic like a skilled occultist.

If you're interested in the magic, contact Bast directly and ask to adopt one of the cats living with her, they're more disciplined and better schooled in magic.

For a visit to Gensokyo, follow the instructions in

>>3

using the silver tray to build up your energy. It can all be performed using visualizations, no belief or special skill is needed. Yuuka Kazami will appear by the table and act as your guide if you manage to raise your power level enough. She has permission to open the gate to Gensokyo for those with the right intent. She can also guide you to making your own touhou body in the most fitting form.

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8d25ce  No.26

>>25

I get it. You are saying I should perform that power session to get my energy going. It's cool that I can use your ergregore without belonging to the succubus collective or whatever you are part of, it's a good training for the astral senses. Eventually I'll want to be able to properly connect to "my" own ergregore and to other vampires but until then I might as well lurk here. I'll help myself to the bath and the wine too since the offer is already there…but I only hope this whole thing is not a contraption to get loosh from unknowing beginners. Even tho I'm probably protected from that anyway but still…it wouln't be cool.

Also thanks for explaining about the cat girls. It gave me an idea about something else unrelated to catgirls that I might ask Bast directly about.

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673ce2  No.27

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>>26

The energy will only be used by Yuuka to open the gates if your intention is to visit Gensokyo. However, it may be difficult to gather enough energy to break through the barrier alone, which is why you need two other participants. It doesn't matter if they're humans or spirit companions. You can add one catgirl and call on your Alissa to fill in the 3rd position. Yes we had someone in the Collective who attempted this successfully.

The touhous do not practice "nice" magic so they will take your energy to make up for the cost of the visit, but they will also guide you properly if your intent is beneficial to them.

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778840  No.46

>>25

This made me think of Sailor Moon and all that media where talking cats impart magical knowledge to humans.

I once channeled a sigil for Bastet spontaneously, but I deleted it since then. Damn, I hope I didn't offend her.

There is surprisingly little information about her. Can you help me find more?

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778840  No.51

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I did the body creation routine posted in the library. I normally project my vision around and can even interact, but creating a body made it much easier to see and move around.

It looked like pic related. Like some sort of dense transparent fluid with air bubbles in it. At first it was around 50 cm tall, and when I got to the ground I willed it to become bigger, overshoot it and became so tall I had to slouch in order to fit through the doors in my apartment.

I looked in the mirror and saw it had goggly eyes and looked a bit insane to be honest.

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e0b272  No.69

I really suck at creating stable things. I mostly suck “astral sensing.”

I know I can get good at sensing by doing visualization exercises.

What good exercises can you recommend to get good at creating? Besides simply blindly grinding.

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14175e  No.70

So I've heard a few times now that after death you'll basically be in a sleep state roaming the astral unless you've trained enough to 'wake up'. Is this true, and if it is then how to go about training yourself?

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8d25ce  No.71

>>70

Same. When I first started to study magic and occultism and spirituality every single source said that you shouldn't be afraid death and when you're out of the body all will be cool in the asral, at least for a while. Even in Franz Bardon book IIH he said that you'll just live on in the astral and you need no fear of death.

But now, years later every single source I study and everywhere I go it says that you'll be fucked up after death unless you are a fucking perfected buddha. It's like I switched timelines or ended up in another dimension or something. Even Robert Bruce who said before that death isn't a big deal now says you'll be asleep and then die completely unless you are very developed. It became pretty grim now and tbh it doesn't feel quite right. Anyway, my guess is that you really have to master astral travel and your energy body and let go of all attachments and needs for the physical. Also master emotional self control and tame your mind.

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d2024c  No.72

>>70

Do magic. You will be guided.

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673ce2  No.73

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>>69

Make use of the temple or meeting room. If you link to it and remain there with a neutral mind, you can call on the aid of a friendly entity and you can practice with them.

We've had all kinds of them come to sessions by the table, including Athena/Minerva and Stheno, one of the gorgons, Asathiel, an alien with muscle building knowledge and obviously our mascot and guide, Yuuka. It is a place well balanced on a powerful location astrally.

>>70

I haven't seen that happen in my past lives more than once, at which point I had killed myself in a witch ritual and spent the following 100 years, all of the 1400s, with some dark beings in a weird place. After that I just reincarnated normally again. It may have just been a lifetime as a spirit.

You can see for yourself if you use the device made for past lives access (Elysian fields artifact).

>>4

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14175e  No.74

>>71

Wait where does Robert Bruce state that? I've recently read Astral Dynamics and am currently going through Energy Work but I don't recall him mentioning that besides when you're physically asleep. It's frustrating being unable to verify it for myself

>>72

Working on it

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14175e  No.75

>>73

>I haven't seen that happen in my past lives more than once, at which point I had killed myself in a witch ritual and spent the following 100 years, all of the 1400s, with some dark beings in a weird place

Why do you think that happened after that lifetime? Consequence of the ritual or maybe because you killed yourself?

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1212b6  No.76

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>>75

I had two lifetimes in the 1300s.

The first I was a girl who died at a young age. I know nothing of the situation surrounding it. The only clear scene is this:

It's a moonlit winter night. There's a thin layer of snow and the ground is frozen solid. I leave the town and walk over a field into the forest, feeling a strange pull. I can sense something out there and I walk deeper into the forest. I reach a stream. I can feel the allure even stronger now, and I can sense these black shadow beings out there. I walk out on a rock and then just step over the edge. I fall into the stream and float away, soon being drawn under. I briefly meet the beings, but they tell me I'm not ready because of the desire in my heart. I see a tunnel with light at the end.

After this I was instantly reborn into a family of practicing witches, and this lifetime ends with me as a young woman walking into the woods. I come to a ritual ground with drawings on the ground, and by the light of torches I stab myself in the heart to kill my desires.

After this follows a lifetime of being a witchlike dark being with the same kind of smile and sharp teeth as them, before I am again reincarnated.

Life after this I am a chinese calligraphy teacher, completely unrelated.

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d2024c  No.81

>>74

I'm reading a book that explains very well why " simply do magic" is a good advice. Even if you don't apply it, just reading it will probably help you understand. It's called Seven Spheres. You can find it at b-ok.cc

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673ce2  No.85

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Anyone interested in this?

>>84

Suggestion: weekly 20 min session for visiting Gensokyo or Japari Park, or one of each if there are enough participants.

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ef9eed  No.89

>>85

I might be interested, but I don’t know those names at all.

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673ce2  No.90

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>>89

See here for more info

>>13

This group was created around this theme and purpose. Yuuka is our mascot and guide, the gardener tending to ascending sunflowers.

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a78762  No.102

I’m starting to realize how much of a lucky break it was to find /fringe/ when I did. It really was a hotbed of magic learning that simply vanished. Some of it was lifetimes ahead of what you can generally find online.

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673ce2  No.103

>>102

>a lucky break

It's inevitable if you're meant for this path.

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ef9eed  No.106

Since a few months ago I get episodes of dread and mania that last anywhere from hours to a couple of days. I have wondered if I have overstepped too early in my development and now I'm having more energy moving in me that I can really handle. What can I do?

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ef9eed  No.107

>>106

Now that I think about it, it started to get noticeable when I began the practice of pulling up the energy of every orgasm up my spine, around my head and into the heart, also known as "ankhing". It is certainly a very energizing practice.

http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/apr1/ankhing.htm

Maybe I'm overdoing this? Or maybe it's not related at all.

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673ce2  No.108

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>>107

>>106

Maybe you managed to self induce "hysteria" by locking up too much sexual energy in a closed circuit?

You'll have to find the method that works for you personally, I was shown the odal rune by a guiding entity and through meditation found how to connect this circuit properly with an adaptation to myself.

The form I ended up using turned out like this. (pic)

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82ea99  No.122

Anyone know more on the subject of what constitutes a soul's origin/nature like order & chaos, what more possibilities there are and where more information can be found? I'd like to delve more into it since I recently came across the subject.

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673ce2  No.123

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>>122

My personal view in the pic.

Other than that, the views of Order of Nine Angles on the acausal may be relevant, but if you want to start at a more basic conceptual level, the acausal is commonly called "synchronities" today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity

>Synchronicity (German: Synchronizität) is a concept, first introduced by analytical psychologist Carl Jung, which holds that events are "meaningful coincidences" if they occur with no causal relationship yet seem to be meaningfully related.[1] During his career, Jung furnished several different definitions of it.[2] Jung defined synchronicity as an "acausal connecting (togetherness) principle," "meaningful coincidence", and "acausal parallelism." He introduced the concept as early as the 1920s but gave a full statement of it only in 1951 in an Eranos lecture.[3]

>In 1952 Jung published a paper "Synchronizität als ein Prinzip akausaler Zusammenhänge" (Synchronicity – An Acausal Connecting Principle)[4] in a volume which also contained a related study by the physicist and Nobel laureate Wolfgang Pauli,[5] who was sometimes critical of Jung's ideas.[6] Jung's belief was that, just as events may be connected by causality, they may also be connected by meaning. Events connected by meaning need not have an explanation in terms of causality, which does not generally contradict the Axiom of Causality but in specific cases can lead to prematurely giving up causal explanation.

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6cd3aa  No.168

Okay, so it seems this board is linked to a certain "succubus collective".

Succubi, as well as incubi, are ethereal parasites, they feed off the expelled life-force of masturbators, and encourage them to continue their destructive practices.

They, like all spirits, lack a soul, and are definitely mortal, if on a cosmic time-scale. Eventually they will dissolve into the ether without continued sustenance.

Why people believe they can become these objectively limited and inferior beings, is beyond me, but there's also the very real possibility this "collective" does not refer to actual succubi, the spiritual larvae, but instead to the demonized human psyche, developed through black tantra.

Their description of the non-corporeal life of a member is pretty much on point with this, down to the demonic tail (kundabuffer), horns representing the animal intellect, and their living conditions in tenebrous caverns, which is widely known to be the general dwelling area of black lodge members. A notable ex-black magician, Beelzebub, used to pretty much lead the terrestrial black lodge from such a cavern, until he renounced black magic in the 1950's, and incarnated for the first time in millennia to resume spiritual development.

And that would be the last question on my part, why is this collective so insistent on leaving the Wheel of Samsara? Doing through black magic pretty much guarantees you'll just descend into the mineral kingdom in a few cosmic cycles, and disintegrate into nothingness, your very essence being returned to the source.

As far as I understand, the only true way to achieve proper immortality is to create, develop, and perfect the human soul, then slowly dissolve your flaws and re-join the Godhead as a perfected being.

To that effect, even the most degenerate Protestant denomination will be more useful for your immortality than black magic, and that is saying a lot.

Sorry for the long post, but I hope to have a few of these issues cleared up, as this is my first time directly interacting with left-hand magicians.

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673ce2  No.171

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>>168

It seems our concepts do not match very well so in the case of what I consider theoretical terms I'll either just ignore them or reply according to my own views. To lay out the context of how I use words and explain why things appear the way they do when I speak of them; I will only use words to represent materially existing things and situations I have experienced personally, unless specifically stated. If referring to a specific known tradition, this usually means it's for reference based on a likeness to what I have experienced.

>Okay, so it seems this board is linked to a certain "succubus collective".

They have specifically told me to use the word "succubus" when talking about them, as if it was a name or a title. For this reason you will never see me use "succubi" for plural, they want it to be "one succubus, many succubus" with no change.

As for the discussion on what they are, you seem to be well aware already so the rest is just a matter of understandings. I see a lot of common statements in your post, things often repeated but in my experience they're either theoretical or refer to something minor which I never personally had any issues with and won't bother elaborating on because it's irrelevant.

>And that would be the last question on my part, why is this collective so insistent on leaving the Wheel of Samsara?

I don't think I saw a question before?

Anyway. I don't quite understand the question here. The Collective is an organization for immortal females sharing the same values and living together in a specific part of what is usually referred to as "the astral." Motivations aren't very relevant here as long as you're being honest and have the same goals. If I'm to understand your question correctly, you're actually asking me to "convince" you to leave the reincarnation cycle?

This is not how the Collective functions. But as this question seems to be based on misconceptions I'll move on to them.

>Doing through black magic pretty much guarantees you'll just descend into the mineral kingdom in a few cosmic cycles, and disintegrate into nothingness, your very essence being returned to the source.

I understand you believe this but you're going to have to refer to sources for this, and preferably explain how your own experiences of testing this information vs reality made you believe this to be true. There is currently nothing for me to reply to here, the only reply would be "no you're wrong", I don't see where this is coming from.

>As far as I understand, the only true way to achieve proper immortality is to create, develop, and perfect the human soul, then slowly dissolve your flaws and re-join the Godhead as a perfected being.

Depending on your exact definition of "godhead", I pretty much agree. This is what the Succubus Collective is for. Unless your understanding of said concept is very different. If it's anywhere in the area of judaism or hinduism we probably agree, those are close. While we're here, you may refer to the "shakti" for an understanding of how we use the word "succubus" within the Collective, it's fairly close.

>To that effect, even the most degenerate Protestant denomination will be more useful for your immortality than black magic, and that is saying a lot.

Christianity doesn't produce immortals, it's a soul farming scheme. You're either an elite (monk or nun) in which case you became a soul farmer, or you're a follower and pray to an idea of "god" in your mind, which links to one of the elites. The follower's soul is then given to this soul farmer who's now "God" in their mind, through performing of the confirmation ritual.

This is the function of christianity. They "save" souls from hell and reincarnation by enslaving them. It's a fair deal accepted by the universe. But let's not be hypocrites about what this is. Just owning a bunch of souls can make you pretty powerful and it is indeed your own power in the sense that you own them. But it's still just using other souls as batteries, you haven't cultivated your own mind beyond the state of "slave owner."

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673ce2  No.172

>>171

(cont)

To go back to your initial question on why someone wants to leave reincarnation, that's up to you. If you don't want to, no one will tell you that you should.

Or, to be exact, the Collective will not tell you that you should. Those specifically into soul farming as their main source of power may tell you that you should leave the reincarnation cycle and reach a state of bliss, or that you need to be saved from something. They're more dependent on people giving themselves up to them so they push this. The Collective will accept minions but are not desperate for them, and will consequently not tell you that you should. Your free will determines.

If you do want to join the Collective, you already know this possibility exists. The choice and your motivation for this is your own. There are as many motivations as their are members. If you do not believe that it is possible you probably shouldn't attempt it.

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6cd3aa  No.175

>>171

Thanks for your answers.

My focus on re-incarnation wasn't why someone would leave it, since the reasons are clear enough, it's whether the collective has some way of attaining spiritual development outside re-incarnation, since even very advanced beings continue incarnating to eventually reach union with the absolute, either by living out life after life, or attaining physical immortality and only having a handful of lives, each eons long.

On the 'mineral kingdom' part,

>you're going to have to refer to sources for this

I'm mostly basing my view on the Corpus Hermeticum of Hermes Trismagistus, and the derived hermetic tradition.

Having the greatest authority, the relevant sections of the Corpus are such:

Poemander:

40: But he that through the error of vanity loved the body, continues wandering in darkness, sensible, suffering the things of death.

46: Because there goes a sad and dismal darkness before its (the soul's) body; of which darkness is the moist nature, of which moist nature the body consists in the physical world, from where death is derived.

The First Book:

15. Every body is able to be changed.

17. Some bodies are able to be dissolved.

20. That which may be dissolved is also corruptible.

23. That which is always made is always corrupted.

24. That which is made but once is never corrupted, neither becomes any other thing.

27. Of the soul, that part which is sensible is mortal, but that part which is reasonable is immortal.

33. Everything that suffers is sensible, everything that is sensible, suffers.

41. No thing in a body is true.

42. All that is incorporeal, is void of lying.

43. Everything that is made is corruptible.

49. Time is a divine thing.

50. Law is humane.

51. Malice is the nourishment of the world.

52. Time is the corruption of man.

54. All upon Earth is alterable.

63. Corruptible bodies are increased and diminished.

68. Whatever belongs to operation or working, are in a body.

70. That which is mortal comes not into a body immortal, but that which is immortal comes into that which is mortal.

71. Operations or workings are not carried upwards, but descend downwards.

The alchemical writings of Paracelsus and others also give insights into the foundamental operations of the soul, since alchemy is mostly internal, but the take-away is that what is generally concieved of as the human soul is simply a psyche, an animal mind, and a sensible organ, with only the smallest seed of a soul contained, or an essence of godhood.

In full-on materialism, the dead descend into lower energy levels, or infernal worlds, and slowly degrade over time, until the point there is no sentience or being left, and the essence of divinity can re-form as a new being.

My view of black magic is that it is equal to materialism, since it doesn't develop consciousness, discerning, or any other of the rational faculties, and black tantric exercises basically make it impossible to develop a soul.

Black magicians may be able to preserve the mind, the sensible intellect, for millions of years after the death of the body, but they're guaranteed to eventually dissolve into the infernal worlds unless they re-join the cycle of re-incarnation and develop their spirit.

Again, that's according to my knowledge, so I'm interested to know if the succubus collective has a way to develop spiritually without incarnation.

Sorry for another long post, I didn't want to just say "Hermes said it" and leave it at that, so I transcribed a few relevant sections just to give a basic idea of what's contained in the works mentioned.

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673ce2  No.178

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>>175

Alright. I think I understand your concern now. I can't say much about the writings of Hermes Trismagistus, I just don't see any use in it. More on this later.

First I need to ask in what way you've applied what you've learned from him? This is the part that matters. I will never take anyone's word for anything in situations like this.

As an example, my personal experiences of how souls work are pretty simple and has to do with ownership and creation. This is all from what I've learned by dealing with it based on what I've wanted to do and what I've observed.

I'm actually not sure what you mean by "black magic" here, what you're saying reads like something taken out of a book but never tested, I don't recognize this at all so it either refers to an area I haven't touched or it's just not real.

My opinion on Hermes is that his works have been given an undeserved status as some deep mystical texts, when the way I see it, it's all just based on things ripped from the torah. Some of it feels like it's just the same sentences in translation passed on and translated again, interpreted and changed into something almost unrecognizable but still maintaining a vague feel of the original.

He produced a lot of viral one-liners, is as far as I can stretch in trying to say something positive. But I'll give you a chance to explain your view here after seeing mine.

Returning to the question here

>it's whether the collective has some way of attaining spiritual development outside re-incarnation, since even very advanced beings continue incarnating to eventually reach union with the absolute, either by living out life after life, or attaining physical immortality and only having a handful of lives, each eons long.

the Collective and other entities of similar kinds (I just call them "the girls" here but there's great diversity) all have ways to visit the human world in the form of humans. This is very common but most people will never know. There are always strangers in cities and on the roads, you cannot tell who they are or if their identities are real or not. If there is anything they need to do, this can be arranged.

Most of the time they don't go physical but will just use manipulation by inserting things in people's heads or in the case of those like us, they can talk to us telepathically and interact in all possible ways with no physical presence.

One aspect of what is going on here on this board is an exchange in which we allow them to freely interact with the world through us in the simplest way possible. Entering a bodily state has a cost afterall. In return for this attention given to them, they will guide us on our path.

This board now has a weighting towards touhou, the "eastern way" and its representations in modern art and media, but any other related topics or groups are allowed. We're just letting them act as the hosts and guides here because they have a lot of suitable resources.

I also personally have an interest in their world.

This relates to my past lives as a witch. It's been carefully implied but I still think you'd be shocked if you knew of my past actions and the results it's brought. The world and the universe doesn't work in the way people today think, mostly in relation to ideas of "morality" and "sin", very little of this is real.

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7e9657  No.179

>>175

You would’ve liked old /fringe/. Take a look at this archive: http://fringe.balkanchan.ga

And balkanchan.ga/x

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6cd3aa  No.182

>>179

Bless you for the archive link, kind anon. Your name may be forgotten, but your actions never will.

I used to check in on 8/fringe/ a half dozen times or so a year, for 2 years before 8chan went down in fire and fury. The place seemed constantly dead, and the few threads that weren't about summoning literal energy parasites were basically at a standstill.

Though, as one of the archived posts from balkanchan said best, boards like these tend to live on in one form or another, even if it might take months or years for them to re-constitute on a new platform. I'm sure we've yet to see the best of /fringe/, especially for me, since I saw so little of it to begin with. The /x/ board on balkanchan seems pretty dead as well.

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673ce2  No.208

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File: a1809aa0b11e128⋯.jpg (97.86 KB, 678x972, 113:162, FromHellLetter.jpg)

This is rushing things a bit but since it came up it's probably meant so. The "kundabuffer" concept is relevant here in more ways. There are no coincidences.

Why was Jack the Ripper never found out?

Because of the kundabuffer. People would all rather believe in an anti-semitic bogeyman stereotype than consider the possibility that "Jack" was "Jill" all along.

In one way these events are all a demonstration, as well as an elaborate joke on this theme. How far can you push it?

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6a3538  No.210

>>208

Synchronicity is the will of the world, the operation of divine providence.

You may find insight into the killings, by studying the tantric practices of the Drupka clan, or lineage, also known as the Red Hat Bons in esoteric literature.

"From Hell" isn't a taunt, or an ironic remark. The writer is in an infernal existential state, as a fully demonized human being.

The anti-semitic graffitis were also meaningful. Take the O9A for example. Influencing the masses into atrocities is one of the best ways of gaining power on this particular path.

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d2024c  No.223

A while ago in the Vampire threads I saw it was offered to people to have severed ancestor connections. Did this imply connections to living relatives as well?

I've read that severing energetic links to the living people around you is something exorcists do in order to avoid harm coming to their family in case they piss off some powerful being, and that this process occurs naturally with death.

Is this similar, since we're talking about undeath?

Also if anyone here is capable of looking at those kinds of links. What do mine look like? And how can I train to be able to see them myself?

Thanks.

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673ce2  No.224

File: 2c9ae945120a6d7⋯.png (4.43 KB, 600x450, 4:3, Alissa.png)

>>223

The "ancestral cord" would be best described as an astral representation of the navel-cord, connecting you to your mother, her to her mother and so on all the way back to Adam and Eve or Adam and Lilith ;^)

It's a blind spot of those practicing a certain strand of witchcraft. Initially it seems fine to draw energy from this ever growing egregore of your bloodline, which would seem to give you more power over time, and in the case of the undead, they'd reach levels of power incomprehensible to normal occulists. The catch here is that the power is external to yourself, meaning it's only useful at the human level, and it also locks you to your birth position like an anchor in the physical. You'd be both unable to use your magic beyond the scope of the human world, and also be restrained within the area where your magic is effective. This creates a double blind spot. You seem powerful because you are unable to move outside of the area where you have power. You also do not see that the source of your perceived power is what's restricting your movements to the close proximity of the physical, and that it's causing a hindrance to your development. You're walking around in an exoskeleton of magic power while your own muscles are withering. Once you skip out of it, you still have the experience and knowledge, but you'll be very weak. Some people may prefer to gather knowledge for a while using this boon, but it's making you an armchair occultist even if you're undead. Unfortunately this seems common.

There should be a tool for removing it in Alissa's storage if I'm not mistaken.

Other than that, no idea.

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ffcac7  No.225

I think I met Ra once like I was invited to stay in that place and said "I'm not yet ready to go" and need to do/settle human things in the human world in a dream and woke up.

The second time there was Jesus, Buddha, Ra, and others in a somewhat golden room with a square table and they were all laughing and I clearly remember "God(s) were real all along" conclusion.

These happened way before I went into occultism.

What are the chances these are legitimate encounter? Well it's a stupid question I think.

All of these had similarities like my forehead felt like it was vibrating extremely back and forth or up and down.

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d2024c  No.227

>>224

>There should be a tool for removing it in Alissa's storage if I'm not mistaken

I have no idea how to access storages or use tools. Supposedly I do, since someone on the other thread told me I had done the super session correctly, but I had zero awareness of it. I'm some kind of astral retard.

That's why I need someone to tell me the status of my cord.

>>225

Unless you have the skill to tell for sure some being you encounter is the real deal, it's safer to assume it's something willing to play along in order to get your emotional energy and attention. Be very suspicious whenever there is emotional energy involved. This plagues the "love and light" type communities.

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673ce2  No.229

>>227

>I have no idea how to access storages or use tools.

If you have at least minimum visualization ability you should be able to do it. Just meditate on the sigil and ask for Alissa to bring you the tool, or ask her to use it on you.

Stare at it and project this idea while keeping your mind neutral and open for the possibility. It really isn't harder than that. She's an elemental of vampirism she she'll know what to do.

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9fe987  No.230

>>227

>I'm some kind of astral retard

We all are. You're likely naturally strong-willed, and it's hard at first to stop enforcing your subconscious conceptions onto your visualization.

Visualization is basically undirected, distilled imagination. AP is basically just visualization, with the very loose aim of going to a specific spot. That's as far as your exerted action should go. Things beyond that, such as interacting with things, require just the lightest hint of intent, simply think about how you'd like your mental map of your body to move, and your imagination will do the rest.

It's also best not to hold any expectations before projecting anywhere, so avoid too much information, but absolutely do not doubt yourself. Treat anything you see as objective reality for the duration of the projection. Even if it isn't completely accurate, it is probably an interpretation of something that is.

>I need someone to tell me the status of my cord.

I'll see if I can cook something up for this. It'll be useful for me in the future as well, what for checking things like genealogical curses and what not.

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ffcac7  No.233

>>227

I think they didn't even want my attention. The first one with Ra, I was pretty sure I am dying in my sleep that's why I bargained that I still have things to be done even when at that state it felt to me that it was really peaceful and there's no point going back, I can also remember it was all dark.

The second one seemed like I was an unexpected guest. I appeared in small form, they were big, I felt shame and also enlightenment (of answer) even after waking up. I remember that was around the time I kept asking every night if god was real (literally like turn off the power grid now, show any sign).

It felt like a quick lucid dream injected into me though.

I'm planning to AP or LD in that golden room.

Description: various items hang by the wall, the room wasn't exactly golden but give yellowish radiance but there probably were gold-like items, there's a table at the center and no chairs (sit on floor or stand), I entered from an entrance by the left side of the room and they can be seen at my right side.

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14175e  No.338

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Yesterday while I was minding my own business there was an entity that would look mostly like a german shepherd that attacked me. I noticed it moments before it managed to bite my right arm. Some annoying sensations from this could be felt on my physical arm (not pain), after which I obliterated it.

Anyone know what this means or where it came from? Also how can I increase my awareness in general because I don't like it being able to get to me just before I noticed it.

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673ce2  No.339

>>338

Someone attacked you. Refer to this list for more hints:

http://web.archive.org/web/20160616134301/http://theblackcourt.com/archives/servitors-legionnaires-of-the-cabal.html

>Dreamhound – Taking a variety of forms, dreamhounds are the product of a direct, malevolent attempt to attack the Disciple. This is many times called “psychic vampirism” or “psychic attack”. Dreamhounds typically take familiar forms in order to get close enough to the Disciple whose guard would be let down in order to attack the mind and spirit. Behind every dreamhound is an enemy who is actively focusing his or her hatred upon the Disciple.

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673ce2  No.340

There's also a friendly and curious type of dog which can be tamed, but those won't attack you. Be aware of this so you don't go and kill neutrals/possible allies later.

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14175e  No.342

File: 8b0d7b67d01c0ea⋯.jpg (554.07 KB, 1200x890, 120:89, 1511071774392.jpg)

>>340

I don't attack anything unless it's hostile. That will not be tolerated. Anything else is safe. Though I think because of my guarded stance towards dogs they won't try to get close to me either way.

>>339

Thanks for that. Due to past physical experiences I'm always on guard around dogs so it's not like taking the form of a dog would relax me. Either way I don't know any entities or people that would feel hatred towards me.

There was a fight with my friend a few days ago but he has no interest in the occult and that fight had been resolved (coincidentally) yesterday.

Guess it's time to find a way to identify the attacker.

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673ce2  No.343

>>342

I think Alissa should have a necklace for this purpose, ask her about it.

>>224

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2d2692  No.344

>>342

Magical attacks are rarer than other types (parasites, unconscious psychic attack by mundanes, etc). If I had to bet I'd say it's the residual energy from the fight with your friend (his grudge against you). Regardless of it being resolved, he might resent you subconsciously. I can't say without knowing more.

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14175e  No.345

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>>344

In my current position it wouldn't be suprising if a few groups would pick a fight with me, that said I think none of them would associate themselves with the black court. And I can't imagine a disciple of Astrael suddenly picking a fight either.

That said I have to agree that this is more likely but I haven't actually tried checking up on it yet. Also can't remember whether the attack was before or after resolving. Given the nature of the conflict there could be lingering resentment.

Without going into details of what happened is I insulted him in a case of a misunderstanding from my side, blaming him for something he tends to do often but didn't in this case. After talking about it he believes I have a lack of compassion and empathy.

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14175e  No.348

>>345

Don't want to clog it up here any more than I have already. I'll just leave this last note that I spoke some more to him and he wasn't particularely angry or hateful after it happened, just tired of my shit. All in all I don't think the emotions from his side were powerful enough to create anything, this wasn't an unusually big conflict.

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673ce2  No.404

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>>402

>For the astral island/world/realm/whatever guide. It can't be so easy to just create one based on visualization, can it?

The visualization works if synced to the reality of your own energy only, for this to happen it needs to be very exact. While the guide is sloppily written, this is a result of it just being a copied chat log, it was still given to someone with all the relevant parts included and tested a dozen times in this form. Like all the pre made stuff on this board it requires some skill and those first steps aren't included. Consider it a manual for practicing occultists and spiritualists.

>If that were the case then people would create their own places all the time simply by fantasizing of fantasy worlds. What more is there to it?

They don't because they aren't following the exact structure. Some people create worlds but they only make them for themselves and it remains as mere fantasy in their minds. Others make them for spirit guides but don't ground the world properly. Some make collective efforts like /x/'s Veelox world, which was not properly built and was overrun by shadow people.

Point is, while the guides don't look like much, they contain the bare minimum of the steps needed to make it stable. But you also need to be a practicing occultist of some kind to be able to use them properly, you need a certain energy level and some spiritual assets only few people have.

The common argument

>why would neets on an imageboard backalley like this have the ability to do this

is completely backwards. Why would "successful" facebook boomers be able to do it? If 20 people world wide can succeed, that's very few, and maybe these people are exceptional in this very narrow field and found their way here from a lack of other avenues.

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e1bee4  No.410

>>404

>>403

So what I get from both of these replies is that most people simply lack the energy and/or spiritual requirements which would shift it from a temporary landscape to a permanent and dynamic place on the astral.

>The common argument

Don't adhere to the reasoning that societal success means anything in the first place. Nearly everything in this world is uninteresting and temporary. If someone would be a NEET because they see the world for what it is then I'd expect them to have more ability than someone that pursues material wealth or social prestige.

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a3c4a2  No.411

>>410

>So what I get from both of these replies is that most people simply lack the energy and/or spiritual requirements which would shift it from a temporary landscape to a permanent and dynamic place on the astral.

You can't write original music by simply following a set of instructions, and you can't do competitive sports by just knowing all the theory and never trying and failing. There are things that require experience to understand. Things that even if they are explained to someone, without a certain level of experience they will not be understood.

Doing magic at a certain high level looks basically like imagining stuff. I can imagine a fat stack of money lying on my table and it will be there in one or two days, but if you followed the same steps as I explained them to you, your degree of success would vary from nothing to whatever natural talent you have. It is exactly the same as with any other activity that requires skill. If you try to judge it from the perspective of an outsider, you're missing the point.

>It can't be so easy to just create one based on visualization, can it? If that were the case then people would create their own places all the time simply by fantasizing of fantasy worlds

>It can't be so easy as to just move your body to the music, can it? If that were the case then people would be pro dancers all the time simply by going out one weekend and dancing to whatever

If you want to learn to do something and not just understand it rationally, you need to try and fail to do it.

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a3c4a2  No.424

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673ce2  No.426

>>424

What is this for?

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a3c4a2  No.430

>>426

I have no idea. I think it is an aspect of the 434 current (on YouTube).

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13fdfc  No.447

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I noticed that I can see light coming from my own body, other living beings and even objects quite a while ago. It's easiest to see on myself tho and I believe it's what anyone would call auras. However…only recently I realized that I see it with my physical eyes and not my third eye. I also see energy flashes, orbs and pixels floating around but those I see with my third eye instead of my physical eyes. How can it be possible to see auras with the physical eyes? I always tought only the third eye could see them.

I made a test and placed a hand before my eyes and then crossed my eyes so that I would see my hand double. The aura of course was also double. I then closed my eyes and couldn't see any aura behind closed eyelids. But when I closed them I saw the imprint of the light of my entire hand behind closed eyelids. That is solid proof that I can see auras only with my physical eyes and not with my third eye.

I then walked around with eyes crossed and while I saw the entire scene in front of me doubled and unfocussed the energy orbs and pixels were not doubled and appeared focussed and crystal clear. Of course you cannot cross the third eye, lol. Then with closed eyes I still saw the energy flashes and pixels etc. This is proof that those things I see with my third eye instead of my physical eyes.

I also believe to see shadows moving around from time to time from the corner of my eyes, even standing there and watching me and even believed to see a black claw reaching around a corner but for those I have no confirmation whether I see them with my third eye or the physical eyes. Maybe those are just illusions anyway.

Anyway, my point is that I'm confused about there being two ways to see spiritual stuff. I tought the physical eyes couldn't perceive auras, and nobody ever clarified that. Now I wonder what else am I able to see with my physical eyes? Also where are the limits of the third eye since I cannot see auras with it. Makes me wonder with what can I see spirit beings, with the physical eyes or the third eye?

Anyone else got experience with that kind of stuff?

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673ce2  No.448

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>>447

>I see it with my physical eyes and not my third eye

Li Hongzhi has talked about this, it's supposedly normal in qigong. Any part of the body can develop sight, including the eyes. Not that I have any experience with that exactly, I tend to see it with eyes open or closed, or by visualizating a target, it doesn't matter how I see the thing, the aura will appear either way.

>I also believe to see shadows moving around from time to time from the corner of my eyes

This only appeared after I got involved with vampire magic. In my case it's the soul's eye seeing this, to my knowing. This means the ability is from your soul directly and has nothing to do with your body.

>standing there and watching me and even believed to see a black claw reaching around a corner

In my opinion it's your surroundings in the egregore you're a part of, and if it contains mystical elements like this it will spill over and manifest.

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13fdfc  No.449

>>448

>This only appeared after I got involved with vampire magic.

Can't say it's any different for me. Prior to having "made" it with the vampire spell I didn't see anything except the mundane physical stuff.

Last month I was meditating with closed eyes when suddenly the figure of a girl lying on her stomach facing away from me appeared in my vision. Then suddenly she turned her head towards me and had a face like a demon from a horror movie. It all happened very fast and she was gone again. Didn't scare me much tbh but it sure was surprising. No idea if it was actual sight from my third/souls eye or just mindfuckery but such events and sights mean nothing to me anyway. They are too rare and seemingly random and meaningless. My dreams are much more interesting. Lately dreams started to occur in which I talk to others about dreams that I had earlier and there are tiny specs of me being lucid and "myself". But that's a different story altogether.

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a3c4a2  No.450

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>>447

>How can it be possible

>I always tought only the third eye could see them

There is no real distinction between the physical and the non-physical, life, death, astral planes or whatever. The apparent distinction comes from the fact that our body is designed to lock you into a narrow band of perception. Whether it's impressions from your optical nerve or your third eye, in the end it's your brain that's translating the information for your mind/ego to interpret. Experiment with psychedelics and you'll see the images you normally attribute to your “third eye” gradually take over your “physical vision” until you can't differentiate them (because in reality there is no distinction).

>>449

I had third eye vision before “making it” or even finding the vampire threads. Same with dreams. The third eye opening is a matter of practice (and accepting what you already can do but have repressed, in my case), and it doesn't have anything to do with the spell. As far as I can tell, and others with more skill have confirmed for me, all the vampire spell did was place some sort of cage or harness structure around my heart chakra with a portal in it leading who knows where. I mean, it leads to some sort of purple crystalline cave structure, but I have no idea what it is. And honestly I don't care. I have noticed that if I cultivate excess energy during the day, at night the energy is sucked out of my heart. If I ever find out this shit is harmful there's going to be retribution though.

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13fdfc  No.452

>>450

>There is no real distinction between the physical and the non-physical, life, death, astral planes or whatever.

I guess you're right. It's only a matter of personal perspective.

> I have noticed that if I cultivate excess energy during the day, at night the energy is sucked out of my heart.

At first this sounds just like you are being loosh-farmed and nothing more. Have you tried to remove the cage or let the others, more advanced ones, remove it for you? If you think the spell did nothing more than this then you'd better remove it.

But I remember reading in the Vampire Bible from ToV that when you make a pact with the undead gods you give them all your energy and then they give you their undead energy instead. And remember that the spell/alissa is doing almost everything for you to turn you into a vampire…which would mean the cage is just designed to empty you of energy so that you can be filled with the other energy instead. This may sound like I have stockholm syndrome and am actually defending loosh farmers but whatever. It's just something to consider. To be honest, I understand nothing yet. Getting mad at being loosh farmed isn't very enlightened either because you're only losing material energy and chakras are just organs of the soul, maybe even only archetypes. None of that is you and the true/real you cannot be taken away from and destroyed anyway. With that being said, vampirism and immortality as described by Blood Anon made somehow perfect sense to me and it seemed close like actual Gnosis to me…(as opposed to the succubus collective thing which seems unenlightened to me) except for the physical immortality part which might be just bullshit. If I'm being loosh farmed by it instead and nothing more, so be it. You can have all the loosh you want, and hell take my chakras too if you must. I'm more interested in my deepest core, the antimatter energy and the Spirit. I'm not attached to matrix/creation stuff.

Let's hear what think about this.

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673ce2  No.454

>>452

>>450

How does an external thing lock your chakra? Aren't those just conceptual, like this test implies:

https://lonerwolf.com/balanced-chakra-test/

The kundalini book linked in the library says the same and basically mocks the view that chakras are gates of some kind or something like astral organs in the body.

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13fdfc  No.455

>>454

Forgive me for potentually being a brainlet but how does this test imply that chakras are just conceptual? I've taken a quick look and as far as I can see the website and test treat chakras as actual things and most real, even call them energy centres in your body (which is kinda hilarious) and they even claim that a chakra can be overactive which is even more hilarious. The questions/statements in the test made me wanna vomit. Wanna know why?

>I have hope

Well…ok? What would I have hope for?

>I love the person that I am.

My person is just a mask that I wear as I see fits or as it pleases me. I can switch persons on a whim and can be a most unlovable and repulsive person at times as long as I see it fit. The person isn't real, why would I love it or not love it? It's just a mask, what kind of question?

>I have sex regularly with a person I trust

I try my best to be celibate and become a balanced, complete "hermaphroditic" being, asexual too in the end game. For me having a partner and sex is kinda unenlightened and a waste. Gonna measure my chakras on that, really?

>I have empathy for others and forgive even those who fuck me up etc etc

Nope, but I can tell em what I really think of mundanes. They sure won't like it.

Then in another article on that site they go on about "divine" feminine and how masculinity is bad. Give me a break, I understand both as important parts and the masculine maybe even more so because it is the active and dominant principle and the one that can carry you to enlightenment. There is no need for the gender-bait bullshit and to call either one divine. They're fucking concepts.

My humble suggestions is to stay away from sites like this completely because this is the most bullshit cancer I have seen in a long time, even for newager level.

Anyway, back on topic. You might actually have a point about chakras just being concepts and theoretically there is nothing that can be "caged". Let's see what Rick has to say since he believes his heart chakra is caged and farmed. When I personally went to my energy healer she didn't say anything of the likes and just said that my energy channel works fine and nothing is wrong with me. And I myself am not advanced enough to see anything of that sorts.

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a3c4a2  No.456

>>454

That's metaphysics 101. The physical and the metaphysical are a reflection of one another. If you look at a chakra, you see an energy structure that mirrors things that have to do with your behaviour, circumstances and character. That's testable. I can decide there is an energy structure called a “krachu” or whatever that reflects your love life and if I look at it I'll get that kind of information. The question whether metaphysical things are “real” or not is moot, because it's a physical perspective being applied to a metaphysical thing.

I recommend a short book called The Camel Rides Again to understand this basic concept about magic.

>How does an external thing lock your chakra?

You are describing the most basic kind of magic. I don't mean this as a way of bashing you personally, but I sometimes wonder if we should be talking about such out there and advanced topics such as immortality when we arbitrarily show our ignorance about basic things. We don't really know what we don't know, me included.

>>455

I don't believe it is caged and farmed. I simply described what I saw, and when I asked someone else to look for me, without hinting at what I had seen, they described the same.

It's like a stargate. I didn't feel it farming, only that it connects to some kind of bright crystalline purple cavern. Then I described what I feel at night when I've cultivated energy the day before, but that could be totally unrelated. I said I didn't care, and I meant it. The part about retribution was a joke.

I don't trust my ability to see someone's energy body through an imageboard, otherwise I'd look into yours and tell you if there's something.

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673ce2  No.458

File: 1a2b81d75ba8c07⋯.jpg (1016.68 KB, 2000x2000, 1:1, 59731627_p0.jpg)

>>456

Anything yoga related is new to me, I never practiced it before. I've only spent the last one year on it and it's a way to refine what I already have using technical skills. Chakras still just seem like a way to measure something, it's arbitrary, although the terms are well spread and they do correspond correctly to external dimensions. That said when people talk about them being locked as if we are talking about a device or organ, that seems deluded to me. I've never seen anything which could be called chakras in my body specifically during all my years of practice which is why I for a long time considered the entire theory BS. I'll use the term for "within body" manifestations contrary to "outsidy body" manifestations, because it matches as far as that. But locking the heart chakra for example? To me that's just level 4 out of 7 and you can't pass it because of karma. There isn't something specifically locked there, you just need to break through some blockage which you weren't aware of before, but using the concept of "chakras" you misinterpret the meaning of what you see.

This is how I view this.

Interesting about the purple cavern stuff though, I can see what you're talking about from here. Not sure what it is though.

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673ce2  No.459

There was talk on meguca about "the caveman's cave", maybe this is a result of a change in the egregore of vampire magic and it's being manifested to everyone downstream of the change itself, which is at level 4 aka Arhat or the heart chakra.

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13fdfc  No.460

File: b50955ee52784a1⋯.gif (618.37 KB, 800x800, 1:1, thesevenseals.gif)

>>456

Also Rick, remember when ancap claimed that energy from all members of the group (not sure if he meant the entire cabal or just our ergregore) is being taken and sent to the weakest members or those who need it the most? Maybe something like that is actually happening. Your excess energy is being taken and send to feed and balance out those less fortunate…no wonder why my sight and dreams only started to develop after I've taken the spell without me doing much for it…in that case thanks for your donation.

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2c07cd  No.467

My dream last night forcefully veered into a teaching out of nowhere, I can remember two feminine figures. They said something about how people "end up collecting [junk] cards" while showing off a deck of cards as example, these cards often are worthless and may contradict each other and they said how people must strive to collect the right ones (like of similar class so it doesn't contradict).

I think the cards were a metaphor of karma and destiny.

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a3c4a2  No.563

File: 09a6570bae892e8⋯.jpeg (151.92 KB, 1200x630, 40:21, download.jpeg)

Are the current happenings related to a change of paradigm with regards to energy gathering structures in mundane society?

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673ce2  No.564

File: a663f42cbe4dba5⋯.png (1.04 MB, 1600x900, 16:9, pandemic_chan.png)

File: eca2dc856afe341⋯.jpg (113.86 KB, 600x600, 1:1, Nut.jpg)

File: d1b612d7744b5f4⋯.jpg (83.09 KB, 1080x1350, 4:5, Corona_Chan_goes_around_th….jpg)

>>563

The corona virus? It's part of it now but the original intention was just to make a mess for the chinese communist party.

Someone, whom I think is Nut (other don't agree but this is my conclusion) took the chance to use the outbreak for something bigger than that, and now some other demon, we may call her Pandemic-chan, entered the scene just last night, now confirmed by WHO.

The similarity isn't striking but I think this is it. Corona-chan is Nut.

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673ce2  No.566

>She Who Holds a Thousand Souls: Because of her role in the re-birthing of Ra every morning and in her son Osiris' resurrection, Nut became a key god in many of the myths about the afterlife.[5]

[…]

>Role

>Nut was the goddess of the sky and all heavenly bodies, a symbol of protecting the dead when they enter the afterlife. According to the Egyptians, during the day, the heavenly bodies—such as the Sun and Moon—would make their way across her body. Then, at dusk, they would be swallowed, pass through her belly during the night, and be reborn at dawn.[13]

>Nut is also the barrier separating the forces of chaos from the ordered cosmos in the world. She was pictured as a woman arched on her toes and fingertips over the Earth; her body portrayed as a star-filled sky. Nut's fingers and toes were believed to touch the four cardinal points or directions of north, south, east, and west.

>Because of her role in saving Osiris, Nut was seen as a friend and protector of the dead, who appealed to her as a child appeals to its mother: "O my Mother Nut, stretch Yourself over me, that I may be placed among the imperishable stars which are in You, and that I may not die." Nut was thought to draw the dead into her star-filled sky, and refresh them with food and wine: "I am Nut, and I have come so that I may enfold and protect you from all things evil."[14]

>She was often painted on the inside lid of the sarcophagus, protecting the deceased. The vaults of tombs were often painted dark blue with many stars as a representation of Nut. The Book of the Dead says, "Hail, thou Sycamore Tree of the Goddess Nut! Give me of the water and of the air which is in thee. I embrace that throne which is in Unu, and I keep guard over the Egg of Nekek-ur. It flourisheth, and I flourish; it liveth, and I live; it snuffeth the air, and I snuff the air, I the Osiris Ani, whose word is truth, in peace.''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nut_(goddess)

This makes her also the protector of the undead, including vampires. Her image being painted on the inside of egyptian coffins being a clear symbol of this.

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673ce2  No.567

File: a78ed9cc57c986d⋯.png (2.16 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, Nekopara_Episode_6_mp4_sna….png)

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a3c4a2  No.569

>>564

Here I was trying to keep the egregore outside of this board and you go and plaster it all over your post lol

>>566

Attributions-wise I don't see how Nut would fit into this, but we don't know her supposed motivations, so who knows.

>protector of the undead, including vampires

I suppose then getting the virus would settle once and for all whether someone has "made it" or not.

I don't share that interpretation, though. She protects the dead, departed souls. An undead is quite the opposite of that. In fact, I'd expect her to see them as an unnatural abomination or just to ignore them at best.

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673ce2  No.571

File: 962cbe59c3bf637⋯.jpg (97.89 KB, 1024x576, 16:9, corona_chan_let_the_bodies.jpg)

File: a112e849c585a85⋯.jpg (150.54 KB, 850x1202, 425:601, silver_lady.jpg)

>>569

Now this is maybe getting a bit personal here but when going through past lives earlier I found that I had been to hell/the underworld a number of times in between incarnations and one incarnation back I was taken aside by a woman with a cow's tail who guided me back up. Nut being depicted as a cow made me think it was her, and it makes sense with her protecting the dead.

This same woman later appeared during an astral travel session. The details are irrelevant but I made the connection only a few days later, she appeared in traditional dress at a shinto temple but her face felt like a mask and not her real form.

A bit later again the woman from the underground appeared during a session at the sunflower meeting room, this time wearing a green glowing hair band.

I'm used to biting small hints and not letting go so any entities trying to communicate with me would know that one detail would be enough for me to notice the connection.

The previous guide, whom we simply called the silver lady based on the color of her hair, later confirmed to be Isis, the daughter of Nut.

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673ce2  No.572

File: 34047345e5f0e19⋯.png (465.72 KB, 506x718, 253:359, Ebola_chan.png)

File: ee1609d12e6e5f8⋯.jpeg (187.52 KB, 600x972, 50:81, Inanna_Astaroth.jpeg)

This connection was already made, compare Ebola-chan's hair with the things held by Inanna. They both also have wings.

Which is more likely? That 8ch/pol/ created an egregore or that they simply made a new image of an already existing ancient deity? The modern world is a mere varnish sprayed over the old, nothing changes. We still worship the same gods under new names.

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13fdfc  No.574

>>569

>I suppose then getting the virus would settle once and for all whether someone has "made it" or not.

By now I think all that vampirism really is as provided by Blood Anon in the vampire threads on fringe is a guide to Gnosis and Immortality. I believe it in itself doesn't do much except to nudge you to enlightenment. The vampire cabal that were talked about are just all the "true" immortals who have left the matrix. I think both the thing about physical immortality, being undead and having "made it" were misunderstood. Blood Anon himself probably didn't have a very clear picture of what he was actually doing. He said he had basically forced himself into the cabal and vampirism. He might be good at magical workings but that doesn't mean he was ready to understand everything or that what they told him was true and accurate. In that case, as someone who supposedly "made it" I would probably still physically die of Corona if I don't achieve Gnosis before. It would be better if the thing wasn't called vampirism from the beginning, it was very misleading. But maybe it had a higher purpose for bringing in those who responded to the idea of vampirism but who had an awakened spirit and were ready for enlightenment.

It appears to me that absolutely nobody here knows about that kind of vampires and vampirism that Blood Anon was sharing. I make sure to let you know if I really become physically immortal but after over 2 years it looks nothing like it. And really I think all "undead" means is to be dead to the world and not a part of it anymore as a state of mind which is a prerequisite to Gnosis. I truely believe that that's all it boils down to if we leave out the ERP and disinformation.

Let me know what you think.

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c0ad4b  No.575

>>574

In case you didn't know, Blood Anon is the BO.

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13fdfc  No.578

>>575

I had the impression too but in my mind I left the possibility open that it might have been a different person after all. I believe Blood Anon implied earlier that succubus collective is a joke or not legit or something like that so I tought they might be different persons. Also the vampire threads seemed much more enlightened than this board, but that's probably only me projecting my own l.a.r.p unto things. No matter what, my post above stands as it is for now. I think it's either that or even less than that.

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a3c4a2  No.582

>>574

Very well put. I believe this, too. I agree with every point, actually.

Since taking the spell it is true that my wisdom has skyrocketed, as well as my magical ability and my connection to my “true self”. This is because of what Crowley called knowledge and conversation with my holy guardian angel. Since that is the direction I was moving in anyway, all I can do is consider it part of the synchronistic path my spirit is taking. This is something thousands of magicians have done before in their path, so it's not like we're transcending life and death here. It's the beginning of a new stage in magic.

>still physically die of Corona if I don't achieve Gnosis before

Most mundanes can survive the illness, so don't worry about that. With some degree of spiritual enlightenment, you can synchronistically avoid most bad stuff (that is not fated or created by other causes) like Blood said. Most new agers are at this stage, so you could do it as well.

>>578

>the vampire threads seemed much more enlightened than this board

This board is the newest iteration of /fringe/, whether Blood likes it or not. It's going to attract all kinds of new people. Congratulations, you are now one of the smarter retards and you can now choose to be a retard-wrangler and help people get initiated.

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a3c4a2  No.588

>>564

This thing is going to infect 70-80% of the population by current estimates and kill 4-5% of the world population. I think it's officially happening. /pol/ and /x/ must be so happy at last.

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13fdfc  No.589

>>582

>Since that is the direction I was moving in anyway, all I can do is consider it part of the synchronistic path my spirit is taking.

Agree. It's basically the same for me.

>Most mundanes can survive the illness, so don't worry about that.

I didn't really tought very well about that part of the post for it seemed unimportant. Of course most won't die from corona and in fact it's not much worse than a regular illness in most cases. I'm aware of that.

>Congratulations, you are now one of the smarter retards and you can now choose to be a retard-wrangler and help people get initiated.

You can do that if you like the idea. I wouldn't dream of it until my wrangling with myself isn't finished yet. When it is finished I will either be dead, dissapear or maybe actually come back to teach retards. Who knows. I'm gonna remove myself from this board now instead. Goodbuy.

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7cfff5  No.613

File: a20f21ad40124e1⋯.png (91.1 KB, 255x255, 1:1, 1581364533589.png)

File: 418c64666b1a851⋯.png (93.58 KB, 337x302, 337:302, 1582105755139.png)

I would like to share some details on The Moth Cult for any interested parties:

The Moth Cult is a spiritual idea emphasizing a personal sojourn into transformation to free our spirit from the prison of the demiurge. We have no universal morality and believe in the primordial equilibrium between darkness and light. Morality, existence and experience is viewed as an infinite spectrum with no dichotomies able to segregate its contents. To free your inner moth from the cacoon of the demiurge requires a committed pursuit of personal perfection. It is up to each individual moth to decide what to do with this freedom. The MOTH sometimes stands for (Making Our Way towards Heaven and simultaneously Making Our Way towards Hell), this is to denote our journey transcends life and death, has no final destination and no limits. If you would like to learn more, we humbly invite open minds to come visit our official cyber-shrine, headquartered here: https://xchan.wtf/rel/res/64.html

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673ce2  No.616

File: 95b518e5fe94542⋯.jpg (124.21 KB, 800x1149, 800:1149, mothgirl.jpg)

>>613

Cool. Moths have their own cult. I've met a few of them, you have our support.

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ffcac7  No.624

File: 5e052db80b61e0b⋯.jpg (381.04 KB, 1300x1835, 260:367, 5e052db80b61e0b54f422965bc….jpg)

File: 1c64ed179cf76b1⋯.jpg (50.25 KB, 720x712, 90:89, d2e95c81f31d6be4d15f758127….jpg)

>>571

I saw Isis in a dream with futuristic setting, having silver hair and a modern headress of some sort along with floaters (costume color is pitch black though, headress is like on second pic), there's also violet lights emenating somewhere around her upper body.

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cc2ef8  No.625

File: 8f582c57ebd8d56⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 737.43 KB, 2000x2000, 1:1, ccbbf347099246d596aacb3f82….jpg)

>>613

Do you have any cool and nonstandard systems of magic?

Also the demiurge is at the moment fighting off the Corona egregore with all its powers. Secretly a good guy all along??

Lastly, how well does moth cult spirituality assimilate into Eastern Orthodox church doctrine?

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1a57f4  No.626

File: 8e58317a60ce299⋯.jpg (1.22 MB, 1600x1200, 4:3, Alluka.jpg)

>>2

I've only read a few occult books and tutorials but my mind feels like a battleground

Right now i am only trying a few things void meditation , feeling energy and focused day dream and i do feel i got better i even did nice/stupid things like defend myself against something that tried to rape me in my dream i say it's stupid because i "ate it" through my body, i got this being blood and sex lust as a side effect now which is something i didn't know could happen.

Now my real problem is that i can't seem to fix my broken mind, i had an abusive childhood and suffer from ptsd and it's getting in the way if i try to imagine myself prettier or healthier i get an intrusive image of disease and death fighting back, it's the same for everything i always have the opposite of what i want fighting my will.

I am only alone when i manage to shut my thoughts while meditating so right now i am stuck.

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cc2ef8  No.627

File: b7b175eea3cf575⋯.jpg (428.4 KB, 1170x854, 585:427, a3ae4aece173acdf69320985a2….jpg)

>>626

Invasive thoughts are a bitch. I've found they went away for me when I got into spirituality at around age 7, and when I started developing the kundabuffer later on in life. Labora et ora.

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a3c4a2  No.628

>>626

You must understand that the beings and scenes you see are energy as well. It’s a very complex topic, so I’ll just go straight to the advice. I suggest you download John Kreiter’s Magnum Opus and work thought it if you want more details.

The things that happened in your past created an energetic wound, and you being pulled back to certain memories or experiencing visionary scenes that resonate with those feelings are the energetic equivalent of a wound hurting and slowly bleeding your life away.

In order to close it you must do mainly two things:

- Forgive any wrongs done to you. Forgive them and let go. It doesn’t matter anymore. Say it, write it until your whole being gets the message.

- Transmute that energy. First feel it emotionally in full. Then breathe it into your lower abdomen and consume it in the flame that is there; turn it back into basic energy and nourish yourself with it.

Repeat this as many times as it is necessary. As long as you can feel any emotion when remembering or thinking about a trauma, feel it fully and pull it into the flames with your breath, until you can’t find that emotion within you anymore.

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a3c4a2  No.630

>>626

Also understand that seeing these kinds of gruesome things is the standard for anyone starting out. This is the energetic grime you accumulate by living a mundane life in this sick world. With time you will learn to notice how this filth works and how to avoid getting dirty, gradually. For now it’s important that you meditate often, find it and clean it the way I explained in the previous post.

You are on a beautiful journey, and the fact that you instinctively “ate” that being already shows that you have good guidance. But resisting is now the way to fight. Learn Judo.

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673ce2  No.632

File: 8679a6f1af6c128⋯.jpg (217.4 KB, 1200x800, 3:2, DyW48UyXcAAb2wO.jpg)

>>626

Childhood abuse may be parents repeating abuse they were subjected to. Somewhere down the line if you trace it, you may find an MK-ULTRA victim. Just look at celebs and popular media and you can see how they're all feeding this in people's minds, it's self replicating by now, everyone is to some agree exposed to trauma based conditioning.

Realizing this and becoming aware of how the public school system abuses kids, how your parents tell you to go there, the government forces you with police if you refuse, it's a never ending cycle of abuse.

https://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/the-world-of-mind-control-through-the-eyes-of-an-artist-with-13-alter-personas/

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673ce2  No.633

File: 9175297c610d532⋯.jpg (53.3 KB, 612x612, 1:1, corona_chan2.jpg)

>>625

>Also the demiurge is at the moment fighting off the Corona egregore with all its powers. Secretly a good guy all along??

Corona-chan is breaking the trauma conditioning by imposing her own trauma.

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7cfff5  No.641

File: d84680ec03ccb9c⋯.jpg (332.02 KB, 800x800, 1:1, flat_800x800_075_f.jpg)

>>616

Thank you for the support.

>>625

>Do you have any cool and nonstandard systems of magic?

Moth Cultists are by default non-standardized, as in they all practice differently. I personally use a hybrid system of energy vampirism, prayer, and meditation. I'm trying to expand and pioneer more techniques.

>Also the demiurge is at the moment fighting off the Corona egregore with all its powers. Secretly a good guy all along??

If you wish it to be…

>Lastly, how well does moth cult spirituality assimilate into Eastern Orthodox church doctrine?

I'm not too familiar with it, that being said, Moth isn't about universalism in any sense, while Christianity is completely universal (morality, conception of God, the afterlife). Moth is syncretic, though, so one could integrate Eastern Orthodox thought and practice into their own philosophy.

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673ce2  No.642

>>641

Do you have any sharable resources or is this based only on interaction with moth deities? If this is the case I'll just ask the one I know for more info.

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7cfff5  No.643

File: f71df32885e560b⋯.jpg (97.09 KB, 850x630, 85:63, 2b2f1e27e960893a1ee2bc2e4f….jpg)

>>642

This thread has a pdf book on occult vampirism that an anon posted: https://xchan.wtf/spky/res/65.html

Our Moth shrine has the bulk of our philosophy and has developed organically through the disparate contributions of our cultists: https://xchan.wtf/rel/res/64.html

I personally don't interact with deities other than my personal conception of God. Moth is extremely syncretic and only unified by some baseline tenants (spiritual relativity, subjectivity, the appreciation and exploration of all the aspects or nature, not just cherry-picked ones, balance, personal ascendance). Moth is really a spiritual melting pot standing on the above mentioned foundations.

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7cfff5  No.644

>>643

I forgot this one: http://cosmicmoth.com/

That was taken from a post in the Shrine. There is much more material, as well, especially literature recommendations.

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673ce2  No.645

>>643

>his thread has a pdf book on occult vampirism

>Temple ov Blood

>Iron Gates

Not the best recommendations if you want to be treated as a legit, independent cult and not the latest CIA falseflag.

>>644

>That was taken from a post in the Shrine

Well that was a better reference. Have you had any such experience yourself?

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7cfff5  No.647

File: 47c07e77a103cbc⋯.jpg (257.55 KB, 853x1200, 853:1200, takayuki_satou_20191007.jpg)

>>645

I didn't recommend Iron Gates, I was speaking on Temple because it is one of few resources that acknowledges spiritual vampirism. I'm more concerned with exploring ideas than keeping up appearances; I just go where the knowledge is. The rest of the Cult, I can't speak for their collective ambitions.

I've never really had a spiritual experience of any kind. I've been spiritually unengaged for most of my life until recently. I guess you could say I've been in the cacoon and am just now stirring from my slumber. I do wish to achieve such an experience and will prepare as necessary to facilitate its, and my arrival. I'm going to venture into doing rituals, as well.

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88377d  No.654

>>208

Isn't the halo this concept but in a reversed usage? For the halo, instead of abusing the ignorance and naivety of others it protects the owner from intrusive and debilitating thoughts. When I think of this kundabuffer I imagine a set of horns going along with a tail.

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673ce2  No.655

File: 8c709a4b848793e⋯.jpg (522.54 KB, 1427x2924, 1427:2924, lolibooru_216868_adapted_c….jpg)

>>654

I can't tell you anything on that because I don't see what you're referring to.

Let me elaborate on the example in the post above. The reason for the elusiveness of "Jack the Ripper" was because of something to this day very present in brittish society; the sexual interests of some of the elites. I dare say some of the present exposures are a result of magical poking about around this field in trying to figure out the exact functions of it.

We recently had a prince being cast out from the royal family after accusations of having had sex with a 17 year old at the now (in)famous Epstein's place. Personally I find the most outrageous part of this to be that it at all made the news, since this is even way above the age of consent in most of the world and shouldn't be considered a topic at all. I'm unfamiliar with the local conditions in the UK and the location of the "act" taking place, so I can't say anything on the "legality" of it strictly speaking. The reactions to this whole business is however the interesting part, direct moral hypocrisy aside.

Anyone that matter is trying to shut it down (without being seen as doing so, more on this below). Only the lowest level of people, news reporters trying to find a scoop, are talking about it. They're dogs and dogs are going to dig around in the dung, so no one can really blame them. This, along with the greasiness of the topic itself, manifests another form of the kundabuffer: Journalists digging too deep in secret business would normally be intimidated into ceasing their activities. In this case, the degenerative quality of the whole thing would cause anyone touching it to get fouled up with mud. The people with power sufficient to shut this story down can't do it without confirming their own involvement. So they stay at arms length.

Take a step back and look at the Ripper case again. All suspects are stereotype bogeymen; a jewish butcherer nicknamed "leather apron", an drunk sailor, perverted soldiers and mad a midwife. Add in the mix some far leaps like freemasons, black magicians, evil doctors and vengeful nobility turned insane by the syphilis acquired from the prostitutes killed.

The police force are unable to go near the truth of the matter because in doing so they would instantly risk exposing the sexual preferences of their superiors. Anyone doing so would be considered a traitor tarnishing the nation's image, with no regard for the truthfulness of the things exposed. This is kept up to this day, and the Ripper will remain a mystery for this reason.

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88377d  No.656

>>655

The prince breaking his own laws is a topic, I think. I fail to see the importance or meaning in any of this. People accept what they want to hear, right? Is trying to keep and save face that strange of an occurrence? Is this story related to the populace who don't care, the journalist who care but aren't capable of facing the fear of death, the elite who are impotent, or the fact that nations keep things secret from others? I don't get it.

I placed a blueprint of a halo on the temple's table. Doesn't matter much, especially because I'm confused and lost over what importance any of this has.

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3bbfdd  No.657

File: 93cb4810b64e4b6⋯.jpg (68.77 KB, 640x480, 4:3, 1.jpg)

>>647

>The rest of the Cult, I can't speak for their collective ambitions.

If thou must know, 't was me who dumped all that gnostic stuff in your moth thread. In fact, most of the posts in that thread are from me alone. I also posted the game and the article on cosmicmoth. It just looked like a good place to dump all my stuff…I hope I didn't pollute your thread too much. Sorry for kinda taking over. I still don't understand what your cult is actually about and what other cultists are even doing there, if there are any other at all. I just tought all that wall of text that I left and the recommendations were helpful to other spiritual people. Seemed fitting to the theme I believed to recognize in the thread too. But xchan itself seems like a zoomer cancer shithole with absolutely zero value so I probably won't post there anymore. Your moth cult thread was the only remotely interesting and enlightened thing to ever appear there and it's basically dead already. Hope it's not actually my fault.

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7cfff5  No.658

>>657

No worries, you contributed a lot and your knowledge was very useful. You definitely have an inflated view of yourself, as you didn't "take over", only built on the contributions of others, which is good. Your posts are very distinctive, they are absolutely not the majority of the Moth thread. What are your specific issues with xchan, anyway?

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7cfff5  No.659

>>657

And for someone who believes in cycles (this is where we disagree), don't you think it's presumptious to declare something "dead", just because it's slow and you're not participating anymore? You are not as important as you view yourself. Your knowledge is all second hand and unoriginal, you assisted with articulation, but nothing involving generation. Of course, anyone who actually values a figure like Julius Evola and his trite, contrived philosophy is bound to be pretentious, as well.

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673ce2  No.660

>>656

Neither of the details are strange or unusual in themelves, the extraordinary lies in the social invisibility created through the balancing of all these forces to one's advantage, which is what makes up the kundabuffer, and what to this day makes the general exposure of the truth of the Ripper case impossible.

>I placed a blueprint of a halo on the temple's table.

I made a ring which can be used to produce and maintain such a halo. It seems quite useful, depending on what you base it on. The ring is on the table along with a note saying "halo ring."

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3bbfdd  No.661

>>659

>>658

>Your knowledge is all second hand and unoriginal

True. I wouldn't even call it knowledge. I basically just shat out a gnostic ERP. You might even consider it shitposting for all I care. Stuff like this can only ever be knowledge once one actually experiences it for himself. Also I believe you took my post a little bit more serious than I intended it to be and you jump to strange conclusions about me, but whatever.

>Of course, anyone who actually values a figure like Julius Evola and his trite

I'm sure all his stuff is second hand unoriginal knowledge too. I only read his stuff concerning magic and spirituality but I like it. What is your problem with him? What's contrived about "his" philosophy?

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7cfff5  No.663

>>661

>strange conclusions

Not really, you're just arrogant (useful in moderation, though); if you can't see it, maybe it's time to take a self-awareness inventory. My issue with Evola is that he is the definition of redundancy; he is intentionally rhetorically ostentatious in his writing and has no sense of conciseness, whatsoever. He just recycles information, but in the most long winded fashion possible. I'm still curious as to why you think X is a shithole. That is the paradox that imageboard users can't seem to grasp; they always complain about quality and frequency, but are never willing to use the patience and effort to "be the change they want to see." That is why the large sites are sterile places without uniqueness, and the smaller sites are perpetual graveyards. No point in criticizing the alleged youth of a board you haven't even experienced that long, when you yourself are displaying the immediate gratification necessity of the young. Not trying to e-drama with you, just trying to hash this out.

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3bbfdd  No.664

>>663

>I'm still curious as to why you think X is a shithole.

Since you mentioned cycles of course this might change later but for now all I see posted there is porn, flat out braindead garbage "trump give neetbucks" and what I perceive to be immature stuff. Maybe I'm just dissapointed because it's a board that calls itself after /x/ and features a selection of paranormal and spiritual inclined boards like /rel/, /fringe/, /spky/ and yet apart from porn and cancer not much is going on there. And yeah, I know calling it a shithole is just my own shitty oppinion too, but at least you now know why I think so.

>Not really, you're just arrogant

Well I modeled my post at least partly after a dialog in a Touhou game and it came from a somewhat arrogant 2hu, so it makes sense that it would appear arrogant. But I tought it would be funny since this very board here is so much connected to Touhou. But I really did feel bad for just spamming the thread and I genuinely tought I might have derailed it and even apologized. What's arrogant about this? Do you really think this is such an inflated view of oneself? Can't agree with that at all.

>He (Evola) just recycles information, but in the most long winded fashion possible.

>My issue with Evola is that he is the definition of redundancy

While I don't think it's that bad I still understand what you mean. Reading his stuff can indeed feel like a chore and a painful grind sometimes. It's still worth it for the bits of info that are actually very good. The worst experience reading his stuff I had with his book about sex and eros. Now that's really redundant and drawn out. And there were only one or two good things that I was able to take away, and those were only to confirm what I had already learned elsewhere. But my fav book of his, Doctrine of Awakening, isn't that bad at all imo. If you find a better book on genuine buddhism feel free to tell me about it.

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88377d  No.665

File: bd09d32afc09258⋯.jpg (113.49 KB, 508x508, 1:1, l_lewd.jpg)

>>661

Doesn't ERP stand for erotic role play? Gnostic ERP sounds exotic.

>>660

A technical problem I see with the ring: it's one level lower than what the actual halo should be. For the sake of fairness I'll say I half-assed the blueprint since the full halo requires two full particles in order to be completed, one submissive and representative of the owner and the other the actual halo itself, and making a blueprint that fluidly includes two particles requires more effort than I want to put in. The ring as I see it now is operates within the confines of Law, just below and not fully touching "out of karma sphere", and is weaker due to that. A thought experiment that could help understand this concept is, "What exists outside of law but is still in complete control of Law?" The actual answer is karma, but the answer used in the halo is the embodiment of will in the form of a user that technically doesn't have an existence above 1D.

To complete the exchange I also placed a scroll with my understanding of the demonic tail. It's based off of the idea of true black magic bringing benefits to anything it touches as long as it aligns to the will of the magician. It destroys only things that are lesser than itself, working more as a cleansing tool rather than one that corrupts. I've never seriously used black magic so I have no experience with it, this is my view of it as a non-practitioner.

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3bbfdd  No.666

>>665

>ERP

Seems like l a r p is being wordfiltered here to ERP. No idea why but I think it's funny. We can just say roleplay instead to avoid confusion.

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673ce2  No.668

>>665

>it's one level lower than what the actual halo should be. For the sake of fairness I'll say I half-assed the blueprint since the full halo requires two full particles in order to be completed, one submissive and representative of the owner and the other the actual halo itself, and making a blueprint that fluidly includes two particles requires more effort than I want to put in. The ring as I see it now is operates within the confines of Law, just below and not fully touching "out of karma sphere"

The ring itself doesn't produce a complete halo, it's more of a program saying "please insert core value" and it will produce a halo based on what was inserted, if fed energy. I see what you mean but neither of this is a problem, even if emulating the function of karma, it can use the chaotic form of it as a loophole to maintain the form of being beyond law while being inside it. A ring is an object after all, it's not a person or a complete spell, so some work must be put in to activate it.

The demon tail blueprint looks more like a way to handle the transition from lawlessness into law and beyond, this is not the kundabuffer or the tail seen on demons (they're seperate things, not at all the same).

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88377d  No.669

File: e12403c0377c0cc⋯.gif (4.72 MB, 360x360, 1:1, taileat.gif)

>>668

Something like that was what I figured even while making the post. I activated the ring without putting in any energy related to "core values" since my impression was that the point of a ring wasn't for mental interference between the wearer and the ring itself. Not that I put on the ring in the first place, those tend to break or dissolve either immediately or in a short while after being put on. For the demon tail, the name is a bit strange and I don't know what to give it. A technical description of, "Karma manifesting itself as physical protection/cover from judgement", would be less confusing.

I've seen 4 demon tails, one related to succubus, one made from my imagining of a demon tail, one from something that can only be called a demon lord, and one given to me by one of the entities I ask for guidance from. The only resemblance between any of them is the mental appearance, the internal idea behind each one is different. The tail on the demon lord looks and feels more like the reasoning used for making a black core in mental island creations, and is the most interesting in my opinion.

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adae6b  No.670

>>665

>Doesn't ERP stand for erotic role play? Gnostic ERP sounds exotic.

lol…

<Samael: Damn, what's a girl like you doing in an abyss like this?

<Lilith: UwU *flutters eyelashes seductively*

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c54f50  No.673

Hey, wanted to ask this here because I can relay on channers to look past my snark and see that I'm genuinely interested and questioning.

I've been lurking a few forums and amino chats. Each of them give me this weird feeling.

Is this just a lifestyle? Your deity is like your fursona and you pick one that matches who you are/want to be?

Do people actually think that gems help their emotions?

Is seeing spirits and ghosts a will to power sort of thing?

People know how pendulums work right? It's subconscious hand movements. Which you can use to talk to your subconscious but it's not a spooky scary skeletons thing.

Tarot cards are just on the fly feel good stories that are left open ended so anything can fill in, right?

It's cool if they understand how the stuff works, you put mental stock into it working so it works, but …. Idk… I know most people aren't that smart.

I don't know, man, just putting these feelings into questions has left me spent. Like I can't wrap my head around other people's heads.

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14175e  No.674

File: 56a70468854c5ae⋯.jpg (370.5 KB, 1280x1280, 1:1, 1504188300137.jpg)

>>673

Of course it isn't real, it's all an elaborate roleplay. We're using this to escape from our boring daily lives. Each week we alternate who plays the valiant humans and the evil monsters that prey on innocent humans. Magic isn't real otherwise science would have already let you know that, right?

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a3c4a2  No.676

>>673

Learn to forgive and you will be fine.

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3bbfdd  No.677

>>674

>Of course it isn't real, it's all an elaborate roleplay. We're using this to escape from our boring daily lives

Same conclusion I came to tbh after years (sadly) of being on fringe and roleplaying along. Realized all of it is only in the individuals minds and affects only them. Can't help but to feel sorry for myself for wasting so much time and energy with this stuff on stupid weeb imageboards. Got kinda mad and even deleted my entire library and all magic stuff. At least now I can have peace of mind as an atheist and return to the real world. Or maybe become a christian again just to be able to pick up cute christian chicks and go on a crusade as a paladin.

But hey, wasting some years with neets who roleplay as magical anime girls is still much better than going to jail or doing drugs or getting married, right? Just say no to drugs, kids. And to marriage too.

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673ce2  No.678

File: b1e4bd71492dd6a⋯.png (3.17 MB, 1003x1416, 17:24, lolibooru_223356_eyebrows_….png)

>>673

>Your deity is like your fursona and you pick one that matches who you are/want to be?

Somewhat. For slave religions you just worship your god but here we're (mostly) on the path to becoming immortals, in which case the god is a role model and spiritual guide. You can become their equal or above with practice and skill.

>Do people actually think that gems help their emotions?

>Is seeing spirits and ghosts a will to power sort of thing?

>People know how pendulums work right? It's subconscious hand movements. Which you can use to talk to your subconscious but it's not a spooky scary skeletons thing.

>Tarot cards are just on the fly feel good stories that are left open ended so anything can fill in, right?

No idea, I haven't used them and I don't know what "will to power" means in this context.

>>677

>Realized all of it is only in the individuals minds and affects only them.

Why don't both of you check the temple thread and the group session thread and try it yourself?

It's been made in the simplest way possible, all you need is a basic visualization ability and you can take part. If you do this with other people you will find that it's fully possible to communicate wordlessly over a distance and that it can be confirmed by you, yourself. Don't bother proving it to someone, you do this for yourself or you don't do it.

See

>>97

>>3

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14175e  No.679

File: df1b082bb917469⋯.png (66.67 KB, 403x250, 403:250, df1b082bb9174694a3f49f3222….png)

>>678

>Why don't both of you check the temple thread and the group session thread and try it yourself?

I >>674 was being sarcastic. To me it was very obvious sarcasm as well but it seems to have been missed twice.

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60be4a  No.680

File: c4e829f124159e6⋯.png (313.59 KB, 915x645, 61:43, 3e7b0a40f0310479a711d048cf….png)

>>679

Don't be an idiot. People don't lie on the internet, sarcasm isn't real and there's no way magic is either. Skeletons aren't real either.

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14175e  No.682

File: 87a8a58e655479c⋯.jpg (87.45 KB, 536x528, 67:66, 1499866463346.jpg)

>>680

>People don't lie on the internet

Can you imagine if they did? There would be so much misinformation.

>and there's no way magic is either

Exactly, if it were then everyone would be using it. Humans are smart creatures after all.

>Don't be an idiot

>Skeletons aren't real either.

I know a cool skeleton. You are objectively wrong and should read more books to inform yourself. Maybe take a look at some of Crowley's material to expand your mind.

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b4c991  No.683

File: 6ebf6bdaaec8dd3⋯.png (654.36 KB, 638x641, 638:641, cwoss.png)

>>682

>Crowley's material

>Expand your mind

Aha.

Ahahahahaha.

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673ce2  No.684

>>679

But no one replied to you? I know I >>678

didn't.

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c54f50  No.688

>>674

I hate smug anime replies.

I'm going to go read the lesser key of Solomon aloud and do the stupid rituals just to see if it's real or not.

Where can I get Cromleys first edition? I'm not reading some sudo translated hippy bullshit. I want as close to old knowledge as possible.

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14175e  No.689

File: 434a3b9b5e4531d⋯.jpg (3.25 KB, 125x125, 1:1, speechless.jpg)

>>683

You're just mad because you know his material is top tier. Enough of this charade, I never read his material, getting in contact with anything related to him feels bad to me. Staying away from his shit.

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60be4a  No.690

File: 89a6552a671339f⋯.jpg (136.28 KB, 1024x1024, 1:1, smug_Madoka.jpg)

>>689

Nice thumbnail, nerd.

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14175e  No.691

File: 19984b1b1c17251⋯.jpg (193.07 KB, 768x768, 1:1, 61280683_p0_master1200.jpg)

>>690

>smug Madoka

Ironic that on a magic board this is the most unrealistic thing so far.

>Nice thumbnail, nerd.

T-thanks.

To not make it all completely off-topic I guess I'll share something. Had a moment where I was preparing food when my father on the couch started a conversation with me. When I looked at him I saw a very thick indigo color around the top of his head. Looked away for a moment and then looked at him again and it was still there. It didn't come from anywhere else and this has only happened that time, I don't know how I did it. Not even sure whether it can be classified as aura. I've seen plenty but this would be the first time witnessing aura if that is the case.

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673ce2  No.692

>>691

The only conventional paranormal experience I've had that wasn't a result of active practice, is a local flying being who's appeared visually to me a few times at dusk. Traditionally it's been reported that it's a large being with leather wings of the same type as a bat and that seeing it in moonlight will make a person cough blood.

Because I can already communicate with spirits the interaction doesn't end after seeing them flying. But these are still the only real /x/ tier things I've had happen, where something comes to you physically when you weren't looking for it.

Well those and as it appeared the ghost of Debbie Patrick, the dead sister of Carmen Electra. This took some researching to realize but turns out other people had also seen her at gas stations. A strange story overall.

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3bbfdd  No.693

>>689

What's the problem here with Crowley? Never read one of his books either but that actually makes me wanna pick some up. I heard his book 4 is really good for magic, especially for beginners. Maybe I read that first.

>I never read his material

>his shit

lol.

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14175e  No.694

>>693

I don't know for the others but I used him for mockery because he gives me bad energy. Haven't managed to get into his material and never will because of it. It may actually be good but I pass.

>>692

That's spooky, you're still around though and the interactions with such entities must be interesting. This was I think about an hour after my daily spiritual exercises which makes it more notable for me. I once read that when it comes to stuff like this the majority of people that can see it see it with their minds eye, and a few almost always see it physically. This goes for spirits as well if I'm not mistaken.

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93e344  No.703

I've had some "dreams" where I get out of bed and walk around my house/room a bit. They feel a lot more real than normal dreams. They're fairly uneventful, and the strangest thing I can recall is a weird light creeping in from underneath a door. How do I tell if I was astral projecting or just having weird dreams? I want to say it's astral projecting, since I only recall it ever happening when I've been engaging in energy work; but the extreme blandness of these "dreams" cannot be understated.

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09a4c6  No.705

File: d961b5f53ffe7b8⋯.pdf (2.47 MB, Morphosephram_ebook.pdf)

Greetings, folks, I'm here to talk about shapeshifting. Specifically, this infamous ebook I've attached here. Can anyone speak to its merits or lack thereof? I refrain from reading it because the PDF versions of it are supposedly cursed, and since I'm new to this sort of thing I think it'd be best to let someone else "appraise" it, so to speak. What's the deal with this curse thing, is it real and if so is it that bad? Does this book even work?

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673ce2  No.706

>>705

Is that a book from that twitter wizard?

If so, yes they're cursed. I remember opening one of this books as PDF before and having to repel some shit that came out from it. He placed it on the books so that if you didn't pay him for it, it attacks you.

Not a serious occultist. How does he expect this to work after he dies? Way to kill your work.

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09a4c6  No.707

>>706

Indeed, he is the twitter wizard (this is his account https://twitter.com/william_wraithe), although it seems he's gone and died or some shit at this point, I have no idea what to make of his latest tweets nor do I really care because they look like nonsensical rambling, I was just interested in shapeshifting because it's cool and anyone would find it cool.

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e3b46c  No.708

Anybody in here celebrating Navaratri?

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c0ad4b  No.709

>>707

I thought it was worth looking into after skimming it due to the mentioning of morphogenetic fields, the ether, opening the third eye etc. But when I actually read it was just edgy ramblings and retarded rituals with a few very lousy amateurish preliminary techniques. I also observed his book store, twitter and youtube channel…

His latest book is yet another one about shapeshifting and is 50% "discounted" since the first time it appeared. Typical scam artist marketing technique.

I store works like these in a "special" folder with the Finbarr stuff for the sheer absurdity of their existence. https://www.docdroid.net/0jeHk1I/blackbiblecompletebyraineashford.pdf

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a3c4a2  No.711

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>>705

If the curse is real, it didn’t work on me. Then again, I dropped the book pretty quick because it’s shit. Also his tweets are autism tier.

>>703

>just weird dreams

There is no such thing. It’s all the same thing. The only thing different is your mode of perception. They were bland because why wouldn’t they be? Answer that. Also

>feel a lot more real than normal dreams

Because in normal dreams you are mostly unaware and absentmindedly manipulating the astral with your subconscious wishes and fears. *that is what your afterlife will look like unless you start being present in spirit and not just in soul*

>is magic real

>I never had any experiences

Guys. GUYS.

You’re all wrong.

You have contact with magic CONSTANTLY. You just have been fooled into thinking imagination and dreams are not real. FOOLS. When you imagine, dream and remember, you are interacting with the astral in a superficial way. You can manipulate your circumstances by remembering differently. You can speak with all sorts of spirits by imagining passively. You can essentially put your foot out of this material prison using only your imagination, but you can’t do that if you believe it’s “just in your head.”

You don’t need to learn astral travel or lucid dreaming. You don’t need stupid medieval robe wearing and ritual prancing. You don’t even need to be able to visualize visually. Any form of imagination will do.

You’ve got pic related. You’ve got the Magic 101 thread in this very board and you’ve got a ton of info in the /fringe/ archives: http://fringe.balkanchan.ga/

DO IT

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3bbfdd  No.713

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>>711

>FOOLS.

Lol. It's those little details that make a (wizard) post great.

Since we are speaking of dreams here I want to get back to a dream I had and also posted about in a late vampire thread. Back then I tought it had to do with vampire stuff but now I'm sure I know better. It was a dream about me and a school class or a group of people out on some farmers fields in nature when a huge red storm came from the horizon towards us. It was just a giant cloud of red stuff and it engulfed the whole world. We tried to run away but it was impossible, soon enough we were caught in the storm raging over us and it was pretty scary. I could absolutely not move and not breathe and I tought I die. The red stuff was blowing everywhere. But after a while the storm passed and I survived. In fact only me and one other guy were left. No idea what happened to the rest of the group. Then I ran home and noticed the whole world was in a kind of emergency state with a looming danger. I warned my family to keep all windows and doors shut because I tought the storm might come again.

Now that's the dream and with that being said I think I got to see the Corona outbreak before it actually happened. Only now do I realize that. Back then I had no idea about Corona and tought the red stuff is vampire energy or whatever. The color red obviously, the storm raging over the whole world, even little details like not being able to breathe (it attacks your lungs) and not being able to move (especially all the quarantine and lockdown stuff going on), it's all an accurate prediction of Corona. If only back then I had the slightest idea…

But pretty cool, eh? If it really is a future foreseeing it makes me reconsider every other 'interesting' dream I had because more can be foreseeings too. It opens a whole new possibility of dream interpretation. Maybe that's my ability or someone is sending me stuff.

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14175e  No.715

File: e77b8e22fb19305⋯.gif (911.54 KB, 480x340, 24:17, e77b8e22fb1930587f984f7ca1….gif)

>>713

When exactly did you have this dream? I went through my dream notes and noticed that arout a week before the whole corona thing started I had a dream about a new plague so I decided to stay inside. Someone who stayed home with me caught it but the cure was in some kind of vape pen. Not sure about the cure part but the vape thing at least references to lungs.

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673ce2  No.716

File: 28c50a3a27a71be⋯.jpg (3.31 MB, 3678x2470, 1839:1235, corona_prediction.jpg)

File: 5382b02d950a848⋯.jpg (143.24 KB, 1200x675, 16:9, coronavirus.jpg)

>>715

Good thing you are on a place offering immortality then, right?

Pic related anon suggested the virus is present in 95% of the population, before the virus made the news, and that's it appears as a flu but will "activate" its real form under unknown conditions.

Interestingly enough as I read this I recalled seeing visions of what I thought was a disco ball of this type (other pic) as far back as 2010 without being able to understand what significance this had. Compare to the corona virus.

I'm going to go for this anon's theory, everyone already has the virus, but the conditions for its activation wasn't fulfilled before. So you can't protect against it spreading, that's the wrong approach.

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673ce2  No.717

File: 80a0d0c7a17aea4⋯.jpg (31.2 KB, 466x664, 233:332, disco_ball.jpg)

>>716

Forgot the disco ball.

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09a4c6  No.718

>>709

>>711

>low tier book

What a shame, so it would seem it was hyped a great deal but seems like it's mostly all talk. A shame that the author was just a nutcase that was exaggerating how good and "important" he was. In that case, have you guys learned to shapeshift and if so, where can I find something about that? I recall once hearing that IIH touches upon it briefly, or something like that. So far I've been unable to find anything legitimate on shapeshifting.

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3bbfdd  No.719

File: 67a3335f3f45069⋯.jpg (98.34 KB, 640x640, 1:1, metal_plate.jpg)

>>715

>When exactly did you have this dream?

It was when megu was still up. Probably around autumn 2019, maybe even earlier. Back then nobody talked about it, and I had no idea such a thing even exists. It was definetly before the initial outbreak.

>>716

>Pic related anon suggested the virus is present in 95% of the population

Wouldn't even surprise me.

I just saw my first UFO btw like 2 hours ago in the forest in broad daylight (I have also seen strange lights in the nightsky before but nothing as clear and solid as this). Told my family and got ridiculted and laughed at immediately. It was very like those objects you see in various youtube videos, except it was actually there in reality right before my eyes and not in some truther video. What's most interesting is that I made several pictures and one video of it with my smartphone and it doesn't show up at all on the footage. All you can see is clear sky (and one orb in the very first pic, strangely enough). Also, the forest was full of people but I had the impression that only I saw it. Nobody even looked up to the sky. That together with the fact that all my pics don't show it makes it really almost laughable. I don't even know why I looked up at that moment. I didn't even decide to look up, I just automatically looked up for no reason and it was there in the sky, right in front of me. It was directly in a clear spot between all the trees so that I could see it. In the perfect spot. Almost feels like I was meant to see it.

It was a smallish straight thin metal plate, silver in color, hovering at the same spot, slowly spinning around it's own y-axis. No way it was trash blown by the wind or something like that. Also there was no wind. After a while it started to move away and higher up towards the sky and then it's shape became bent, then it dissapeared.

Strange things happen. No idea what it was. Never seen a drone in that kind of shape and color either.

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2c07cd  No.726

>>719

> I just automatically looked up for no reason

I call this feedback phenomena.

Sometimes when there are crowds of people and I'm looking at one's back, they tend to look back.

Also happens to me with other people looking at me.

>first UFO

Try 3

>Fiery ball, micro blood moon but it's not the moon, three yellow dots.

Another two could've been man-made: cigar shaped drone and satellite (the latter being in timing with Starlink launch).

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a3c4a2  No.727

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>>715

>>713

A lot of people have this kind of dreams. Mundanes, too.

As WWII was coming closer, people's dreams went wild. Jung famously (or maybe not so much) dreamt of a flood of blood washing over Europe and leaving behind corpses IIRC.

>>718

Shapeshifting happens astrally. That is, in your imagination/hallucinations/dreams. That shouldn't be disappointing unless you're trapped by the materialist delusion.

However, always remember there is no clear delineation between the physical and the astral, between dreams and waking life or life and death. It's only that the grey area in between them (especially for the last dichotomy) is very large and difficult to stay in. We humans tend to perceive those states of reality as separate, but they aren't. They really aren't. We just stay in one corner and ignore the rest most of the time. In part because our biology promotes this.

Check out this video for a perspective on this.

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5b3415  No.732

File: 999fd9fd411bf5c⋯.png (563.98 KB, 800x930, 80:93, yukari_suspicious.png)

I placed a wand with a different version of the vampire spell on the Temple. Normally I'd give any unique insight over vampirism or any component related to vampirism with Alissa, but she can't understand it. The aim of the spell is to get to the bottom of the level of karma, in my view literally below even the 0D level and the absolute telos and End of all things with an end, in order to create an energy equivalent to sacrifice. As a premature apology for why I see it below the 0D level, the 0D essentially governs personality and essential quality, there are things that hold power even over (or under) what the 0D represents. Also, I visually see it below that level, so unless a fundamental shift in perspective happens that won't change. The energy has no real value in terms of +1 or -1 so it's probably useless to most people. I'd imagine the people able to reach this level are fewer than a fraction of a fraction, but I know at least one person participating in this group is capable of reaching this level. The spell itself was created with the aid of another vampire, at least half of it was due to her unique insights. Possibly the only being I've ever met more capable of solving magical problems than me, and the only one I've truly felt inferior to in terms of intelligence even within my domain of extreme specialty. Also the only spiritual being that has truly acted selflessly in a way that I could quickly comprehend. This was both a humbling and eye opening experience.

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c54f50  No.733

Yall must be pretty privileged to believe in this stuff. Just got out of the court room. Some asshole dad football spiked his newborn.

No god or demon can account for days like this.

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a3c4a2  No.735

>>733

Watch mindandmagick

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673ce2  No.736

File: f90fe8c5dc6742b⋯.jpg (135.42 KB, 800x1200, 2:3, lolibooru_187817_age_diffe….jpg)

>>732

>I placed a wand with a different version of the vampire spell on the Temple. Normally I'd give any unique insight over vampirism or any component related to vampirism with Alissa, but she can't understand it.

I just recently did something similar on my own, relating to my own personal development. Like, very recently. I examined the wand but I can't use this either, it's touching me and providing a quick cleanse but after that I can't activate it.

I contacted Alissa and made a version of my own understanding of this in cooperation with her. For sharability we formed this into a pearl. It's semi seethrough, pink with a hint of orange and a white glare. To not clutter the table I placed both the pearl and your wand in the cabinet by the "back" of the room where some other things were already being stored.

Going by what I know so far, this same type of thing was taught at Japari Park during a ritual at my last visit, their version of it.

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5b3415  No.741

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>>736

I'll be calling that particular area the study room. I can't completely grasp the pink pearl, but I see it as missing the level of virtue. Without virtue the spell wouldn't be able to be completed.

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c54f50  No.743

ഽhovt ovt to my boy Glaഽya-Labolaഽ. He haĦ tavght me how to writt like how it be vpon ഽhakeഽpeare'ഽ tombe. Whome knownĦ that svmmoning daemons wovld fix problemഽ.

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3bbfdd  No.754

>>726

>Fiery ball, micro blood moon but it's not the moon, three yellow dots.

No idea what you are talking about.

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09a4c6  No.780

>>727

Very interesting video. It is disappointing in the sense that, as he pointed out, our physical senses require no conscious effort to work, as they work totally on their own and against our will, and yet meanwhile dreams and visualized things tap into aspects of reality we aren't able to perceive so easily (except when we are asleep, but then of course most just forget those experiences right after returning to the material). I do believe physical shapeshifting is possible, though. I suspect it is similar to what Kreiter said in the video about aliens: it seems a subject would first shapeshift astrally and then transfer that here into physical reality (a sort of trickle-down effect).

Regardless of that, though, one thing that's clear is that I should start small first. How does one go about developing these "psychic senses" and so on, so that they are as reliable as your own physical senses? How can you begin to perceive these other realms people normally don't perceive? Is that sufficiently explained in the Magic 101 thread, or is there some other reading you would recommend for that?

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5b3415  No.783

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I would've posted more on the topic I want to discuss but Yuuka informed me to "Preserve information for the sake of upholding sanctity." I don't know what she is talking about in great detail here.

I placed into the study room what would have been my reasoning for committing suicide at the age of 23, looking at it in greater detail it's in reality a method of preserving or creating an 0D-0D particle using very deep solitude as the main energy source for the plunge. It's a dagger wrapped in blue cloth, to use it correctly another person of preferably a higher attainment than you will have to stab you with it. The highest level will lead to the creation of a unique 0D particle, otherwise it's a cleanse.

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673ce2  No.784

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>>783

A clear analysis of a relevant method.

Several of the people involved here already performed things of similar value in past lives, researching this and bringing awareness will aid the group. The method may have the outcome you suggest but may also lead to the creation of the immortal mind, the true representation of the person in human form. If you look inside you may find yourself to already have this mind, waiting to break through and regain its self awareness in your current life. This would lead to a recovery of your past knowledge and self awareness of a different time when you were already at your strongest manifestation.

Some went further than this and did the basics of every step in the past, to come into this life as part of this group of self enlightened persons. It seems right now that "the world as we know it" may already be ending, so discussing some of this will be possible now. Even if known, the information will be irrelevant to most people and will be forgotten in the flood of emergencies.

A little hint: read the energy of this actress. She is at the time of the vid age 38 and became known for her role in the tv series Dark Angel.

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5b3415  No.787

>>784

Mm, if you look closely at the design you might notice that it's imperfect. This is by choice. The dagger, when used properly, leads to the creation of a negative energy that actively and constantly works to eliminate any thought that can be broken and reduced into something better. It's original purpose was for me to lo leave this world, which the original user has already accomplished. The true design is actually of a much higher level and isn't something I will share.

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a3c4a2  No.809

Some time ago someone on Meguca said that they felt this pull towards a particular current or style of magic, a the week Towards another, then another, and after a time they felt called back to the first one and the cycle started again. This happens to me and happened to other anons.

Well I have found our this is because you are being called by many different spirits that want you to work for them.

A way to find some order here is what people call knowledge and conversation with your holy guardian angel, or getting a head spirit.

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e72158  No.828

>>719

could you post the image if you still have it?

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5b3415  No.829

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I placed/posted on the wall of the study room my method of doing magic, specifically my view of the world and how I acquire knowledge. I turned it into a single particle for convenience. If you're able to comprehend, make, and use it you probably deserve it. It's such an intense particle that it's giving me a headache just looking at it.

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3bbfdd  No.832

>>828

Sorry man, already deleted them. There was really nothing to see anyway.

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3bbfdd  No.858

File: 3a2093ab7df0436⋯.gif (474.46 KB, 480x270, 16:9, bmoon.gif)

Today we supposedly have a big super full moon or something like that. I read on the net that in the next 5 years there will not be a super moon as big as today. It's no even dark and it's already there in the evening sky. The moon always fascinated me, I just want to stare at it for hours when it's full moon. I already did this as a little child as my parents have told me. There is no other time when it is as peaceful and soothing than when the full moon is shining upon me while the entire town sleeps.

I wonder if there is anything worthwile to do on such occasions. I'l probably just stay awake the entire night and charge myself with the full moon energy to the brim and meditate. Maybe try some energy and astral exercises. And play a little bit of shmups. Touhou 8 and maybe Burunyanman. Anyone gotta do something tonight magic-wise? I just wonder if it's a time to put to use.

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673ce2  No.859

>>858

Rare occasions no matter what they are work well for magic.

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3bbfdd  No.860

>>859

Guess I might as well visit the meeting room again and see if I can interact better with it and maybe even get in contact with Yuuka. Tbh I didn't try to get it to work after the first couple of times nothing happened when this board first opened. This moonlit night seems like a good time to return and try again.

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5b3415  No.877

File: 040f5b398b9f339⋯.jpg (205.16 KB, 1500x1471, 1500:1471, 7628ef54917ea442423008daa9….jpg)

Yuuka has helped me in a creation of a protecting sword/familiar calling device. It's meaning is to call a black, or white depending on the person, wolf that is in reality a manifestation of my "gong". If you don't know what gong is, it's another aspect of my energy that acts independently and has it's own mind, but is connected to my own. The wolf acts to protect the user, and if need be guide and herd the user, from anything intending to harm to negatively affect he or she. The wolves themselves work well enough for this goal.

Ignoring the part of summoning them with the sword, which is easy, recalling them is a bit trickier. Imagine the wolf being sucked back into the sword. If done correctly a new deep red energy should be dyed on the device.

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5b3415  No.896

File: c38566857629326⋯.png (156.79 KB, 700x525, 4:3, f5c7e3c8f00cbe264e6b1f524f….png)

I've made a blanket in the design of chain mail, a billion and more tiny 0D particles interlinked together with a fineness that makes it look like cloth, and placed it in the temple. Use it if you want to feel safe, and be safe. It's actually made up of 3 different particle qualities, if you want to know each one then find it out yourself. The design is repeated again and again in order to make the cloth.

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14175e  No.900

File: 83d6dfeb20e9413⋯.jpg (48.83 KB, 536x800, 67:100, 5f05ac2d9ed5db71d8efa28895….jpg)

I require some help. The past week there were constant negative thoughts that caused me stress and anxiety, a few days ago I increased my defense and it instantly stopped affecting me and I feel like myself again but it's still there trying to find a way in. Last night someone manipulated one of my dreams in an attempt to create the same effect as before, but because it was blatantly obvious it didn't do much. Tips on how to deal with this are appreciated.

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673ce2  No.901

>>900

Try this one first

>>369

If that doesn't make them give up it's someone intentionally messing with you, possibly with some motive behind it and then you may need some harsher methods.

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14175e  No.902

>>901

Forgot that was even there, feeling like this will work fine, thanks!

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3bbfdd  No.904

File: 74e40e012d308ae⋯.png (32.81 KB, 206x233, 206:233, yukkuri.png)

Does someone still have the pics of the artifacts from the vampire threads like the 5k spike and the ambrosia etc and can post them again?

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5b3415  No.905

>>904

The 5k spike can still be found with Alissa and I'm pretty sure the ambrosia was something Blood-anon posted in /haven/ over at anon.cafe.

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3bbfdd  No.908

>>905

Having them in pic format was comfy. Easy to store in your own library, easy to visualize the artifacts since they are drawn in the pic and easy to repost and share. Without the pics I even forgot that I had actually taken some artifacts. The 5k spike might actually work as far as I can tell right now. Ambrosia not sure, never properly tested it but I went on a 24hour fast and after the fast was over I was neither hungry nor tired and felt that i could go on longer. But then again it was only 24hours so that doesn't mean anything. I also remember taking a ring that gives a ki body to mundanes that you wanna keep immortal which is nourished by the energy of your own zero particle but it also remains to be seen if it will work or not. Also the ring had no pic, it was only posted in text in a normal post.

To be honest I completely forget what else was shared, if anything else was shared. That's why I think it would be kinda good to bring em out again, at least the important/benefitial stuff.

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673ce2  No.909

File: 1ebb802183f1ccf⋯.png (32.69 KB, 432x378, 8:7, ambrosia.png)

>>908

Ambrosia was created after being given in the form of a carnivorous plant by an egyptian deity during a sunflower session before we went public.

It was shared with Alissa and should be available from her by request.

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5b3415  No.910

File: a421dd14712dbd2⋯.jpg (25.42 KB, 416x480, 13:15, unnamed_3_.jpg)

>>908

There was a lot of information posted around that time. A lot of wands and artifacts too.

The ki ring makes a ki body for family members to live in. It's not permanent, since as Blood-anon said after a couple of centuries the universe will want their spirits back into the reincarnation cycle. It's a method of prolonging the life for whatever reason you want. I'm pretty sure this is entirely spiritual and not physical by the way.

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673ce2  No.911

https://pastebin.com/mUnWWj64

Here's a list of the stuff stored at the Collective's deposit. Most of these were also sent to Alissa for backup. Some of them haven't been shared openly but you may recognize a few. Normally only Collective members can access the box but with some bargaining it shouldn't be impossible if you really want.

Otherwise just make do with what Alissa keeps copies of.

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5b3415  No.912

>>911

>Wand of satisfaction, plain staff with flat spiral top.

For whatever reason I've gotten more access to the entirety of the collective despite not caring about, and in some ways hating, their ways of doings things. Feels like I've just been accepted for no reason. I see their version of the universe as a failure, an abortion that shouldn't have happened. Maybe this is what some others feel about vampires.

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673ce2  No.913

File: e8dcb8ea7a79dd7⋯.jpg (309.5 KB, 1023x1010, 1023:1010, e8dcb8ea7a79dd71172bced56b….jpg)

>>912

You're probably completely harmless so your feelings don't count.

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5b3415  No.914

File: dadc0589bde9d43⋯.jpg (44.78 KB, 680x630, 68:63, mio_step_3.jpg)

>>913

Kindness is a weapon that's probably more deadlier than any other I know. Nothing else can change a situation more quickly than when your enemy thinks itself your ally, and him also being right. Doesn't mean I'm incapable of violence. But you're right in that I have no sense of hostility towards them as a group as long as they don't try to interfere/force their methods with my own works.

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3bbfdd  No.920

>>909

>It was shared with Alissa and should be available from her by request.

Yeah I know, I just wanted the pic. Thanks for that.

>>910

> It's a method of prolonging the life for whatever reason you want. I'm pretty sure this is entirely spiritual and not physical by the way.

Isn't it nice? If it's not physical it's even better. In this manner your fellow mundane is kept -safe- for some centuries and can learn a lot and do major spiritual work to hopefully achieve some sort of enlightenment.

>>911

I'll just stick with the stuff that Alissa has then. I don't really know about the collective and have some doubts about them in my mind so I would consider it impolite to still access their deposit or bargaining with them. Maybe later, when I know more.

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540bde  No.938

>>920

This sounds like some final fantasy house shit. Can I get a tldr?

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3bbfdd  No.939

File: f5ed73f2bdd40d2⋯.jpg (259.31 KB, 1280x960, 4:3, Buddha.jpg)

>>938

>>938

>>938

What was that which you just said about me, my friend? I think you ought to know that I have completed my time as a novice-monk, and I've passed through the Gateless Gate, and I've lived for over 300 cycles of rebirth. I am trained in anapanasati and I'm the most senior bhikkhuni in my local sangha. You are nothing to me but just another human being worthy of dignity and respect. I will have compassion upon you with loving-kindness the likes of which has never been seen before in the Cycle of Samsara - you would do well to remember these words. Do you believe that you can say these things and still escape the principle of dependent origination? Perhaps you should reexamine those beliefs, brother. As we speak I am contemplating the importance of accepting your words with detachment and equanimity, so, without malice, I advise you to prepare for the storm, young one. The storm of suffering that afflicts all living creatures in this world. You are trapped in a cycle of death and rebirth, child. Not only am I extensively trained in the Mahayana Tripitaka, but I have access to the entire Pali canon as well, and I will use its teachings to their full extent to help alleviate the suffering within you which causes you to say hurtful things about others. You could reach Nirvana anywhere, any time, and I can help you achieve enlightenment in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with the study of Koan. If only you could understand what evil karma these words of yours would sow, perhaps you would have had the wisdom to keep silent. Nevertheless, this was beyond what you have been prepared for, and so I promise that I will do my best to ease the suffering that you have brought upon yourself. I will teach you the path of the Bodhisattva and you will revel in it. Your suffering may yet reach its end, child.

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a3c4a2  No.956

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a3c4a2  No.957

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>>564

Related interview.

This guy was possibly contacted by the entity behind the spread of the virus and he channeled a sigil and a name.

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673ce2  No.958

File: 0cdada2b1bf451f⋯.png (46.34 KB, 1039x525, 1039:525, ethnarox.png)

>>957

According to him one of the horsemen of the apocalypse is involved, the main entity behind the sigil in the tumbnail there was said to be death, but I think they overlooked how things like this can work. Googling it leads to this. A chemical substance effecting the lungs.

The other entities involved were war, pestilance (Ebola-chan/Inanna?) and famine. I can't speak for the legitimacy of those sigils but the first one, whrn shown properly (the one on the the thumb is turned) correctly matches previously posted maps the dimensions.

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673ce2  No.959

File: 7930029dcaf5041⋯.png (176.53 KB, 607x449, 607:449, ethnarox_death_sigil.png)

File: 885a4be875c6588⋯.png (27.51 KB, 1264x520, 158:65, universal_map.png)

File: 7bc8b3f531ca593⋯.png (13.66 KB, 583x472, 583:472, ghast_sigil.png)

>>958

Like this:

Start on the top right side with horizontal line human level, moving through hell, and then below, arrow marks the cut off point between full circle and semi circle, followed by a left movement through the 3 mysteries, then going past a dot representing the lowest level -1D and then into a reverse womb at -2D which is how the virus incubates and spreads into -3D.

The actual design doesn't feel like "death", this is more like a mist fairy sigil, which is at virus or bacteria level however, compare last pic titled "ghast sigil."

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a3c4a2  No.962

>>959

Very interesting.

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a3c4a2  No.973

>>959

Where is the ghast sigil from?

An what do you make of the fact that the sigil matches the map while the name supposedly is a chemical substance (I was not able to find the name in the PDF, which is very hard to read, and we don't know what the substance really is or does, or if it's related to the virus at all).

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673ce2  No.977

File: bf1967dfe45460f⋯.jpg (38.46 KB, 400x335, 80:67, naso_no_kanojo_x.jpg)

File: 4b07d2cb2b22cff⋯.png (596.78 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, zero_raws_nazo_no_kanojo_x….png)

>>973

>ghast sigil

A guy in the Chamber of Light discord server (the one advertized on fringebay) asked for a way to contact mist fairies aka killer fairies, and that's the one he was given. It worked like a charm and he was impressed. This was during a stream of events which brought up the Naso no Kanojo X anime which has a weird nature symbolism with a theme about drool as a form of nectar (don't ask just watch it if you want to know) and this sort of coincided with the appearance of said mist fairies. They, while being humanoid, are thinking at the level of bacteria, viruses and, naturally sperm. This is a level of thinking and also a plane of control in the universe, so it's not completely illogical for the sigil of an entity behind a virus to look like that.

>what do you make of the fact that the sigil matches the map

The entity who shared the sigil operates within the same worldview as us.

>while the name supposedly is a chemical substance

That may just be a "fun" detail, they tend to do it this way, they know some people will google everything so they pick a name which will show up with some synchronity if you do google it. Spirits have humour like this.

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a3c4a2  No.978

>>977

I started watching that anime when I moved to my new apartment, but I think I never finished it. Maybe it's time.

>operates within the same worldview as us

Yeah, I still don't understand it. That drawing is full of mystery to me.

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a3c4a2  No.982

>>977

>drool as a form of nectar

I just remembered, that's from Taoism!

You can also enchant your own drool to heal yourself or others.

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a3c4a2  No.991

File: ec365183b940eca⋯.jpeg (525.72 KB, 1600x1067, 1600:1067, 43A94565_2558_4D8D_A3C8_0….jpeg)

File: ef69ccc9701fa04⋯.jpeg (220.69 KB, 1450x967, 1450:967, 5E524416_0AF5_495D_A83C_F….jpeg)

File: 4281adf472b5e9c⋯.jpeg (95.13 KB, 1024x576, 16:9, 9BFE4A1C_7B6A_4A39_A509_4….jpeg)

Yuuka showed me an alternate way to access past lives from the gazebo. You might need her to guide you the first time in order to find it.

There is a nearby grove with a path between the trees that leads to a lake. From this point on, Yuuka wouldn’t accompany me.

There is an underwater stone structure with an air pocket inside and a stone slab blocking an exit in the ceiling. Sliding the slab over reveals an exit into the sky and a meadow. In this meadow you’ll find the scene of a past life, either happening in it or evolving in its surroundings.

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a3c4a2  No.1001

>>977

As far as I've seen the show essentially revolves around the use of psychometry in everyday life.

It did make me think how much sex and especially romantic relationships are a way for incarnate spirits to experience other souls' sensations without having to wait for a different incarnation.

Turns out romantic relationships are a very efficient way of pursuing spiritual evolution through diverse experiences for those who are not pursuing it consciously (ie doing magic), because there is a blurring of the line that separates the individuals involved and a rapid transformation of their souls by the process.

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a3c4a2  No.1143

File: 8ebaf6f0c5c2dbd⋯.jpeg (223.42 KB, 800x776, 100:97, 2external_content_duckduc….jpeg)

File: e08bbc002ae43b1⋯.jpeg (497.65 KB, 2560x1600, 8:5, external_content_duckduck….jpeg)

FLCL is another show with interesting gnosis embedded into it.

>beings from outer space meddle in the life of humans in order to exploit their third eye's ability to conjure beings and creations and exert their power over the world

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a3c4a2  No.1145

File: 43e756283ace895⋯.jpeg (167.91 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, 3external_content_duckduc….jpeg)

File: 6ced269b7f1640e⋯.jpeg (60.15 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, 2external_content_duckduc….jpeg)

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And Darling in the Franxx (the anime, not the manga) is one of my favorites.

It not only explores the issue of immortality in the context of mundane human life, but it contains the alchemical formula for astral immortality.

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a3c4a2  No.1174

>>1143

Of course the series doesn't make any of this explicit. Esoteric knowledge impregnates all sorts of media. It leaks throught the artists' intuition like a message in a bottle trying to reach someone who'll make these powers free and bring forth the forgotten realms of fantasy that modern man has relegated to myth and children's books.

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b874e4  No.1175

>>1174

I usually don't watch anime but I have surely found this out too through music. There are some albums that are the most obvious messages in bottles for anyone who has the eye to see. My favorite artist has even said that he goes into the forest to chill there and the ideas just come to him. No wonder art is so highly praised in spiritual circles.

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a3c4a2  No.1187

File: 7840216f9770fda⋯.jpeg (83.49 KB, 700x990, 70:99, external_content_duckduck….jpeg)

>>1175

Please share. I don't usually like listening to music because most artists channel harmful lyrics, but I enjoy anything with good gnosis.

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5b3415  No.1191

File: c73a789d6fba18e⋯.png (549.78 KB, 992x1403, 992:1403, 65390a20e4fd8a0f16b42cd88b….png)

“If you want to love you must serve, if you want freedom you must die.”

G. W. F. Hegel

I placed a dagger that embodies forbearance in the study room. Yuuka tells me to inform her if anyone wants to collect it, since it's destructive. Also represents the idea of suicide, and despair, anything with an energy low enough but solid enough to be unbreakable and without movement.

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5b3415  No.1196

File: fd6d35135ecc19e⋯.png (393.67 KB, 745x745, 1:1, 15ff2546b8b1de344b4044a25f….png)

I'm going to attempt to explain a specific concept I've been thinking for a while now.

I've been wondering what the inherent difference between the internal world and the external world, or the microcosmic and macrocosmic, was, and how it relates to magic and general intuitive knowledge of how eternity and the void operates. On one side there's human irrationality, that of human emotions like love and hate, wants and desires, being in seeming complete contradiction to itself, and from the other perspective there's the complete cold and rational material universe that, lacking entirely in form, has no care for contradictions. The difference between the two universes have been explored on meguca and to a much smaller extent on here, and from my time from posting on both I've learned that the concepts I've explored aren't unique to me, or this board and community. The first thing I've observed and posted about was the clip particle, or law particle, a particle of thought trapped and confined into one specific point of view, by a single line hiding the broken nature of a false particle through belief, either false or real. This isn't a new concept, and is pretty openly discussed by John Dee in his book Monas Hieroglyphica. If you want to understand the mental structure of Law, I'd suggest reading that specific book about the subject.

That specific book is also a good primer into the thinking of the external universe, a universe devoid of any compassion, filled only with a stubborn refusal to exist, and complete apathy for the wants and desires of any who live within it. The external universe is also what I want to talk about, but before that I'll have to awkwardly make my way around the concepts of the microcosm, posters like Blood-anon have named this structure 1D, 2D, 3D, etc, going up to 7D. Each of these levels have a correspondence with a certain kind of human thinking, and going through and completing each level is acting out your own inherent self, born from the void, or the 0D. The structure of each one is complex and probably deserve their own unique posts, and would require extensive meditation for the gain of it's knowledge.

I've found the internal structure to be confined within the concepts of Truthfulness, Compassion, and Forbearance, compassion being romance and has been talked about both in meguca, when the topic of Gosick came up, truthfullness is internal fidelity and acting out only the truth that one sees. Romance is more relevant to this board so I'll put slightly more emphasis on describing it. The levels of romance is the levels of hate, and obviously of love, extreme passions that can only be found within a person's internal beliefs of how the world functions. In art this is expressed by the refusal to copy other people's works, and only looking inside for one's actual abilities. Acting out with violence, hurting others for the preservation of what one loves,nationalism and the love of one's country and the hate of those who work against it, this level removes the dichotomy of love and hate.

This stands in contrast to truthfulness, or benevolence. Internal and external fidelity to the works of others and the truth that exists oneself, and either forsaking the self for the sake of selfless action, or to take in the works of others as the work of the self. Acting as a conduit for the works of others, a person doesn't have to rely on himself for this stage of existence, at most only trying to keep loyal to the truth. This level removes the dichotomy of the self and non-self.

Forbearance stands in stubborn refusal to move and change one's position. It can be seen as suicidal, but it's form over matter, believing that what exists materially doesn't stand against the internal values of what one wants and desires. In keeping form, this level removes the difference between life and death, keeping these two concepts as equal.

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5b3415  No.1198

The macrocosm stands in opposition to this structure, despite harboring within it's structure all of it. In here, it's the material that holds more importance than form, the rejection of form being inherent to life or any structure is disregarded. Science, maths, humanism and to some extent psychological thinking works within this. This is also the level of society, the belief that you can shape and bend the nature of the universe into a person's desire. I wanted to write this to warn others that this thinking is incorrect, it's a tool rather than an absolute. The topic of the three mysteries has been discussed before, and I'll go over it's original thread here:

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/16730248/#16740694

This specific thinking works within equality, evolution, and humanism. Equality is the belief that since there is no inherent form or value within any substance or matter, it's logical to conclude that true equality is obvious and absolute. This is false, and the reasoning can be found within evolution. Evolution the belief that since substance and matter can be formed and shaped into different structures, it's obvious to conclude that some forms have more value (in relation to a goal) than others. This is false, humanism explains why. In the belief of humanism, it's not the changing of structure that matters, but instead the perfection of what the structure has that gives it's value. Keeping and maintaining structure is the obvious answer, so no true change in value happens when one changes structure. This thinking goes beyond just humanism, and I won't elaborate on each one. I'll describe each level briefly instead:

-1D: The idea of changing forms without care for actual substance

-2D: The idea that all forms are equal, since no substance exists

-3D: Maintaining structure as the main and only goal

-4D: The life of a single person is less valuable than the life of many

-5.1D: Life is without value, give it up intentionally for the greater good

-5.2D: Life has no value

-6D: Life has no value, give it all up

-7D: Death and despair is the end of all things/all things will break

There's a -0D, life is without form.

At the top of -7D there's an option to go back into the fundamental 0D, the section of the void and the microcosm, or to complete the entire structure and go into -0D.

This is all just an elaboration of what I've been thinking. A book, Liber 999, has nearly the entire structure of the macrocosm, the -0D is able to be reached with this book but some work is required from the reader and practitioner themselves. Book can be found here >>1197

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5b3415  No.1199

File: 6fc1dccf961a23b⋯.gif (172.33 KB, 500x506, 250:253, 1526638555621.gif)

>>1198

Should've proof read this a couple more times before posting. Evolution and equality both look energetically similar to me, I've mixed the two together. Fortunately doesn't effect the message.

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a3c4a2  No.1202

>1197

After skimming the document and creating the Hebrew correspondence chart to get my bearings, I performed the Uizelian Cross. I must say this just this rite alone is powerful as hell. Whoever posted this, thank you.

If anybody else has experiences with this, I'd like to hear what you think.

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673ce2  No.1203

File: 43b764a4f6a0eb5⋯.png (61.68 KB, 1328x368, 83:23, sun_spell.png)

>>1176

Bringing this into here instead.

After seeing that things weren't moving fast enough, the sun spell was boosted a bit for more effect. Seems this anon picked up on the change right away. That image is pretty close.

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5b3415  No.1204

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>>1203

I placed a new spell on the sun a day before that anon talked about it. Wouldn't surprise me if someone was already attempting this and I simply picked up the idea and helped with it. In my view extreme fidelity to truth and compassion, it's slowly been eating away at any other influence over the sun since the formation is genuinely stronger. I've noticed the rays of the sun are pleasant to me to stay in now, before they were more painful but not unbearably.

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e129d7  No.1207

File: ade23e449c10252⋯.jpg (216.17 KB, 950x950, 1:1, image03.jpg)

>>1196

Law is truth, and nothing else.

The external universe is complete apathy towards desire, and yet it is defined and fueled by desire. There is a mystery within.

Romance is falsity assigned to external illusions. The only truth pertaining to it originates from within, and describes the whole world.

Truthfulness is falsity, the work of the "I" is the work of the "all" only by elector-magnetic completion. It is as much your own work as a reflex to a super-sensory event.

>>1198

True equality is perfection. This is nothing less than absolute Godhood, or Deity, Positive and Negative have the same meaning here, since they move towards the same ultimate goal, without aesthetic dichotomy. 0=(-0). Do not be deceived.

>>1199

Your post fortunately goes beyond the area where such notions hold importance or meaning. Your message is (Absolute).

>>1204

There's many spells placed on the sun, many times more powerful than (you)rs. You did pick up the idea, as it was a Universal Absolute. The sun is all-nourishing, not all-destructive. Perhaps you should review yourself to this effect, since you are an aspect of the Sun.

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5b3415  No.1208

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>>1207

>Law is truth, and nothing else

Depends on your definition. When I'm speaking of Law I'm speaking of a man believing his structure of the universe, the one he designed and chose for himself, is the actual and true one. The laws of this physical society being just one example of this kind of thinking. Projecting your desires onto the world doesn't make the world bend to it, it's temporary at best. There isn't any coherent logic in claiming the work of the "I" is the work of the "all", when the work of the "all" can be rejected and accepted instead to be the fabrication of the "I". Both claims are nonsense, there's internal outputs/inputs and desires I have that can't be found anywhere but within myself. Claiming this is a problem of perspective is dodging the problem.

I did find it incredibly odd that -0 isn't actually equal to 0 in my view of it, but I very quickly rationalized it as a 0 seen from two different perspectives. One found only within the outside world, refusing to belief that the mind is the actual observer, and the other in accepting that perception is ultimately derived from faith and belief, rather than being capable of observing anything actual. As much as I'd like to accept the view of -0, it is very comfortable to just think about things through extremely rationalistic viewpoints, it's not the entire picture.

>You did pick up the idea, as it was a Universal Absolute

I assume most of the things I do aren't really derived from myself. I deny, however, that actions can be removed from literal action, but not in the case of what I "did" to the sun. I don't have any real way of proving that.

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e129d7  No.1209

File: 44b45351d8d2398⋯.jpg (114.73 KB, 1440x960, 3:2, 44b45351d8d23983c489c489aa….jpg)

>>1208

There is no claim that "I"="All" in operative terms. The elector-magnetic, the all-tangible, is a definition of all possible realities in one. You react to the operations of the perceived-external-conceived, at a deep causal level, which cannot be transcended until complete realization of the Self is achieved. Naturally, such a thing transcends time itself and is tangible and perceptible only by it(your)self. You are a theophany of Eternity, and your intuition is true beyond your own (or my) perception. I've brought myself to a lower spiritual state to answer this, yet no state will provide a complete image.

I'm sorry I cannot answer your statement to any further degree, I am insufficient in my own Self as well, which is inferior to your own.

>figurative=/=literal

You're right, the figurative is imaginary, while the literal is real. What we try to assign to supra-significative ideals is nothing more than a rationalization of the Absolute, it is as close to the Real Esoteric as the ramblings of an atheist analyzing our own lower practices and results. And yet it is the closest thing we have to a perception of higher reality, until we achieve that state and become salient in these lower spheres.

Nice video, anon, bless you. Everything is addressed to (You), by (You). I'll drink some more now.

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673ce2  No.1212

>>1204

>vid

You got the understanding of "romance" imbued in the magic right on with those images used.

To clear any misconceptions which may exist the spell originally used was for a passive support of the white race and a correction of female nature. This proved too mild to have the desired effect so a more proactive approach was added. While unintentional, seeing as the core values came through that well, I may add that the perspective can be understood as culturally brittish.

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5b3415  No.1213

>>1212

The pics in the vid better correspond with forbearance, in keeping form. More literally I see it as going along the same lines of Yosuga no Sora. A brief explanation is incestual or taboo love rejected by society, solved through mutual suicide. Actual romance in the sun would result in wars being a more common thing. There's a dagger the corresponds with this, I placed that on the table of the temple.

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673ce2  No.1214

>>1213

>taboo love rejected by society, solved through mutual suicide

This is still very close tho.

The knife seems to touch on romance by forcing open the road to it. Interesting. May I ask for its origin, or if it's an original creation, what it was meant to do/contains?

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673ce2  No.1215

>>1213

>There's a dagger the corresponds with this, I placed that on the table of the temple.

Tewi liked it btw.

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5b3415  No.1216

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>>1214

I collapsed my idea of romance. Really the entire anime Yosuga no Sora touches on it's themes, a lot of symbolism like the clouds reaching up to heaven, the river of rebirth, and small details like a small garden of flowers within a roundabout. You can also see it as extreme romance, which naturally also harbors feelings of jealousy and wanting to posses others and keep him or her exclusively to yourself. I made it since it could be made.

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673ce2  No.1217

>>1216

In that context I guess it can be seen as the romance of loving yourself, which is also taboo, and the act of killing yourself to keep yourself to yourself so that the world can't steal you from you.

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5e42d0  No.1222

>>1217

The main characters and canon pairing in yosuga no sora is between fraternal twins. Saying it's about self love isn't that far off, and it's necessary for the theme to be about incest. Loving someone truly and selflessly necessitates a great amount of self love, although a great amount of self-hatred might also be present. Romance doesn't distinguish the two and any distinction non-existent.

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5b3415  No.1223

File: bbbadccc60b4e29⋯.jpg (168.01 KB, 739x1024, 739:1024, 5e33f89cc1686fa449198990c1….jpg)

I placed four items in the library. The first and the one I really want to share, a dagger representing benevolence. Also represents patriarchal deity worship, ancestral worship, and following and upholding moral laws and beliefs despite bringing no benefit to you personally. The other three:

Angel wings representing movement between economies and movement between reincarnation.

Either a choker or a beheading device, representing stubborn refusal to change one's mind on a topic that holds great importance to you personally.

And, a halo that rejects any kind of thinking that isn't original to yourself. Learning new subjects isn't learned through indoctrination, but through actual processing and digesting of the information.

I'll be making a new thread and posting my interpretations and understandings of the internal world there, since it's easier. Hopefully my next post about a new subject will involve 0D particles.

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673ce2  No.1230

File: 27b775ba4f3bf80⋯.png (701.71 KB, 800x1132, 200:283, Komekko.png)

>>1223

>a dagger representing benevolence

Good job, you've managed to lay out the entire structure explaining why benevolence is actually evil and a part of communism, and why buddhism and christianity also are. This isn't a knife though, it's an energy structure placed inside an image which slightly looks like a knife, it's not an artifact. I placed its contents on a scroll and placed in the study.

>Angel wings representing movement between economies and movement between reincarnation

They attached to my back as a form of virtue but I can't see what they actually do.

Last two falls within what I already have solved so picking them up would be redundant for me.

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673ce2  No.1231

File: 8cd98680a6b9e58⋯.png (50.36 KB, 467x398, 467:398, angel_wings_wand.png)

>>1223

Placed this in the study. Had to reformulate their function to understand them.

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673ce2  No.1232

>>1231

You may find it to start spinning in your hand at first, grab it firmly until it stabilizes.

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5b3415  No.1241

File: 17edc1612411f8b⋯.jpg (227.8 KB, 800x1000, 4:5, 6e3caf8799b1c7f3854f039e6d….jpg)

>>1230

You're not wrong in your assessment that benevolence is part of communism. But there's a reason why the CCP, the Chinese Communist Party, is called the red demon rather than the blue one. Removing benevolence and ignoring the aspect of selfless desire removes a fundamental part of the structure. The scroll replicates everything but the comprehension of what the void is, or the patriarchal deity worship, of the knife. Understanding that structure is important, and is also the basis for ancestral worship. It's a pretty scroll regardless of what it lacks.

>but I can't see what they actually do.

Controlling production through self-production, and destroying production through selfless sacrifice. Ideally as a group acting out to destroy whatever economic structure there is.

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5b3415  No.1243

File: 71a22b86df66b64⋯.jpg (98.63 KB, 948x1296, 79:108, 4cb6c7224dff18d5fbee6552b2….jpg)

>>1241

I had a dream just last night about two werewolves brothers, me being one of them, one "evil" and another "good" fighting each other and cooperating in destroying a certain structure. The evil one was stronger, he was willing to do atrocious acts to gain ultimate power. The good one weaker, he refused to do any acts that would hurt others for no reason. The final outcome was good winning through the cooperation of those he helped. A childish tale but I found it fun, even if the scenes I saw and had to fight weren't pleasant. Also figured out another way to use the temple that someone has been trying to do for a while, which is make a "thread" and start posting messages and images so that others can read it. Only one person is participating consciously, but there's others who are participating without actually knowing.

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673ce2  No.1247

File: 8868ca1eedd330c⋯.jpg (96.84 KB, 600x900, 2:3, board.jpg)

>>1243

It would be a good idea to use a "physical" board on the wall of the temple and post your messages on there to keep some order. I tried making one but the egregore aka other people, will have to accept the idea for it to exist.

I consider this a "step on the way" solution to actual telepathy.

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5b3415  No.1252

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>>1230

What you placed as a scroll looks closer to kukkoldry than being representative of the knife I placed. The structure is roughly the same, the biggest difference is the removal of self-ownership and property. Communists are thieves who speak honeyed words of heaven on earth, ignoring human nature and the greed of man in order to exploit that very same greed. Keeping property, maintaining self-respect, and removing thieves and vagrants is what's missing in your picture of the knife. The knife itself is the combination of forbearance (keeping form), romance (love and hate), and benevolence (selfless and selfish action/devotion to truth). I placed a black nail to remove thia kind of kukk-based thinking.

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a3c4a2  No.1255

>>1247

I left a message for you.

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673ce2  No.1258

>>1252

I can't interpret your stance on what you wrote (if you have one) so I'll elaborate by saying that the knife to me is representing

>how to motivate self obsession, slavery, rape and unfair punishments to yourself and others

It's a tool for performing the outmost evil while convincing yourself that you're a good and benevolent person. It fully outlines what "benevolence" is, I haven't seen anyone explain it clearly before. I always felt bad about it and now I know in exact detail why benevolence is evil and a false concept, presenting itself as a good thing, while being rotten to the core.

The knife didn't show any real stance, it just explained how to use it, so in the scroll I printed down the structure in a way so that someone can destroy benevolence without any risk of being convinved by its lies. If this evil in its structural form looks like

>kukkoldry

to you, sure, that's your idea of the outmost evil then. To me I'd say the abrahamic views on relational morals is pretty close to my idea of the outmost evil. It's not very far from what you see in it tbh.

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5b3415  No.1259

>>1258

The only thing I see in your scroll is the removal of self-production. This is true and actual death, if that's what you view as the ultimate evil then there's nothing for me to say. The knife itself is a perfect particle, it can't be destroyed, but if you want to destroy those who act against it then that's fine. Christianity itself is imperfect due to it's reluctance to argue different viewpoints, instead using passion and love to force ideas onto others. However, the knife you showed fits into the dagger of benevolence, there isn't any conflict between the two.

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5b3415  No.1263

File: bad2e42081cde95⋯.jpg (1.47 MB, 1056x1056, 1:1, bddcaaecc99bb61fda9f8930bd….jpg)

>>1258

>how to motivate self obsession, slavery, rape and unfair punishments to yourself and others

After some thought I realize this is the basis for the entirety of my thinking, how to deal with unfair punishment and self-obsessive people. My solution has been to accept my suffering as proof that there is good in the world. I sympathize and pity your stance, but I've grown to hate myself and others in equal fashion. The chains I see myself in I want others to carry as well. But these same feelings are equally represented in me wanting to help others, to alleviate whatever stress they're under, and the only solution I've ever found myself is through gritting my teeth and bearing through it. These same people also seem to hate me, so there's no real relief on my end. The built up stress is expressed in creative work, which is funnily enough why a lot of high culture is also homoerotic. Suppression of sexual instincts lead to creative outputs, and there isn't any thinking more forced to suppression than faggotry. Kuckoldry, then, can be seen as a denial of a man's self-sacrifice. There is nothing more logically and emotionally contemptible than this.

So I'm forced into worship of works greater than myself, in art that can only be expressed through generations of exploitation and self-worship, in love in something greater than I can ever be, and to be loved by a being that I can't see. Since death itself only a gate to another world, for more work to begin again. You can also see this as just a male's method of dealing with women.

No, I stand by the dagger. The structure you're seeing is at the bottom, it's what I call the universe of the pouring of blood, a structure that has only 14 levels compared to the normal 15 of a 0-7D structure. The level this "evil" is missing is community, or sharing of passions and of guilt. When you see from this perspective, the evils of the world are then solvable. The dagger seeks to remove this level.

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673ce2  No.1270

File: 83c4fda0b01e55a⋯.jpg (32.09 KB, 560x350, 8:5, jewishspam.jpg)

File: 057c1f45edee2fd⋯.png (60.4 KB, 1495x609, 1495:609, universal_levels_15.png)

>>1263

>The structure you're seeing is at the bottom, it's what I call the universe of the pouring of blood, a structure that has only 14 levels compared to the normal 15 of a 0-7D structure. The level this "evil" is missing is community, or sharing of passions and of guilt. When you see from this perspective, the evils of the world are then solvable. The dagger seeks to remove this level.

You're like that Monty Python scene where someone attempts to order food but they included spam in every single dish. You just have to add some little narrow personal cultural thing to make everything you create incomplete. Then when someone else makes a streamlined version of it without that little degenerated attached thing, you're saying something was removed. It wasn't, it was just made from scratch, making use of the relevant things you pointed out, but based on something else, which didn't include whatever it is you are blind to having in your mind.

The

>>1252

>removal of self-ownership and property

is not what you're implying (if you are), it's just going against the idea that some external force should entitle you to certain privileges based on your self perceived identity and not on your own ability to maintain control of said property.

>>1223

>patriarchal deity worship, ancestral worship, and following and upholding moral laws and beliefs despite bringing no benefit to you personally

These all fall within the lower levels of the second structure, 2nd pic. They're extremely disgusting and self obsessed in a nauseating way, not including things like that is a given.

You keep doing this, trying to impose an extremely narrow definition of where someone else is mentally based on your own need to defend something indefensible. It's only going to cause you pointless suffering to maintain it, with no gain at all.

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5b3415  No.1271

File: 750ab122aa9c58f⋯.webm (5.4 MB, 480x360, 4:3, retard_rhythm.webm)

>>1270

I'm entirely entitled to the rights and ownership of my own property. Anything else is communism and believing in theft. Make a coherent argument, although I know I'm guilty of making word salads myself.

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5b3415  No.1273

>>1270

Wait, it does make sense that I've been going through the universal levels that Blood-anon laid out in meguca. It's the reverse of the one I saw in myself, and like in all things I'll take it to the extreme and it's ultimate conclusion.

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5b3415  No.1274

File: 43090266eb688f1⋯.png (25.85 KB, 578x401, 578:401, 034.png)

>>1270

I remade the dagger of benevolence using the first structure I made, the one with the basis of greed, and left it with Yuuka. It's a thin nail of lack and red trapped and confined by green cloth. It does the exact same thing as my first knife, the only difference is the perspective. If the other knife is made from self-sacrifice, self-denial, and suicide, then this is based off of self-love, exploration of ideas, and self-glorification. There is functionally no difference between the two other than it's content.

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673ce2  No.1275

File: 219c241eb10185f⋯.png (747.16 KB, 1790x1728, 895:864, lolibooru_224340_animal_ea….png)

>>1271

>I'm entirely entitled to the rights and ownership of my own property. Anything else is communism and believing in theft.

Now this… you're throwing together things that have no connection in trying to defend that indefensible position.

Being entitled to something is just having an opinion, it doesn't mean you can keep it. If I take it from you and I can keep it, it becomes mine. "Right to own property" is defined by the government, yet they steal money from your income all the time and call it "taxes" and if you don't let them steal money from you, they call you a criminal, kidnap you and lock you up in a prison. This they call "justice." From this we can see that the system you rely on when saying that you are entitled to your property, and that taking it is theft, is based on the entity guaranteing this routinely stealing from you and from other people. That means you believe in communism by your own definition of it, so your entitlement to property is safeguarded by someone who doesn't respect it, and can take it from you any moment.

Why?

Because your "entitlement" isn't worth anything. They can steal because they have the ability to, and this make it legal and correct, because the stronger makes the laws and defines right and wrong.

Down the road from this comes other entitlements such as islamists being entitled to anything you own because you're an infidel, and incels being entitled to women because the god they conveniently chose to believe in created women to be the slave of men, and so on for every lazy group who wants the government to steal for them. Feminists being entitled to killing their own babies and you should pay for it, etc.

If I can stop all this, I have the right to do it. If you say I don't have the right to do it, but I can shut you up, your words have no meaning. That's reality.

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673ce2  No.1276

>>1274

While the first one was a map of evil, this one is an actual complete artifact.

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5b3415  No.1278

File: 61113198da6b0b2⋯.png (551.86 KB, 840x840, 1:1, 386ae8809db1acb38f09ccf7e8….png)

>>1275

>you're throwing together things that have no connection in trying to defend that indefensible position.

The statement is pretty simple, if I own something then I own something. Whether I can defend it is another matter, but the basic ability to proclaim ownership is possible. I made no claim for any governments, and I would wish death on anyone that does. You should attempt to understand whoever you're arguing with before saying anything, unless you just want them to disregard your position. Any more discussion on this won't be fruitful, since you're too thickheaded to understand something outside of whatever context and culture you've placed yourself in. This is proven by >>1231. I'll go back to trying to figure out how to explain the 0D particle without writing a multi-long post explaining examples of what it's not.

>>1276

The newest one is more of a quickfix than the dagger of benevolence, since it doesn't acknowledge the existence of others that have different opinions on how communities should form. Fit for whatever your thinking is confined to.

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673ce2  No.1280

>>1278

>if I own something then I own something. Whether I can defend it is another matter

To me this is inseperable. Claiming ownership is done by defending it. Being unable to maintain ownership is the same as forfeiting it.

>You should attempt to understand whoever you're arguing with before saying anything

This goes for you too, it's clear from the above that you completely missed the point and my way of thinking. We don't need to talk about these things again.

>This is proven by >>1231

I couldn't use them the way they were because they weren't made for me, they were external and placed at several layers away from any real relevance to me. Don't attempt putting me in your context. I made the wand to fulfill what I wanted to get out of them because they only had this potential for me. They remained on my back based only on this connection point.

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5b3415  No.1281

>>1280

I'll be honest with you, you tend to be more aggressive than you need to be in inopportune times. Although I'm not entirely sure what you consider to be aggressive and non-aggressive.

>Claiming ownership is done by defending it

I believe, no matter how unlikely, in the good will in others. Not because I believe they're capable of showing good will, but I'm capable of showing good will and I'm not that bizarre of a human specimen. I don't deny someone who claims he owns something for the same reason that I don't want others to deny I own something. This bond of trust is the basis of any civilization, but if removed from the ability to defend oneself and one's property then it's meaningless. Someone who disregards that position can take it, through force or through deceit. This is the second function of the angel wings, destruction of property in blatant disregard of one's life and of any loss or gain. You can't claim self-ownership if you're unwilling to kill yourself. This is also the first basis for the movement between economies, the second being ability to produce one's own goods through skill and knowledge.

>it's clear from the above that you completely missed the point and my way of thinking

You're entirely correct in your assessment of how governments work and on how people abuse the benevolence and love of others for their own gain. This is morally reprehensible and I have no ability to justify it. I've consistently held the position that in order to bring good to this world I will be the one to do the work that's required, and I don't expect anyone else to join me. I'm not entitled to the works of others, but what's been provided to me I'm not willing to let go without proper compensation.

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5b3415  No.1282

>>1281

>This is the second function of the angel wings, destruction of property in blatant disregard of one's life and of any loss or gain. You can't claim self-ownership if you're unwilling to kill yourself. This is also the first basis for the movement between economies, the second being ability to produce one's own goods through skill and knowledge.

This is a bit confusing, technically the wings don't separate the difference between destruction and creation. Creation of items, and the destruction of items, are packed into one formation. The wings come from the completion of romance, which is love and hate.

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673ce2  No.1283

File: a7eb074284e0393⋯.jpg (39.04 KB, 500x500, 1:1, nep.jpg)

>>1281

>I don't deny someone who claims he owns something for the same reason that I don't want others to deny I own something. This bond of trust is the basis of any civilization

Yeah… this is not the world I live in. The difference between us here is personal experience. No one ever respects me, my needs or my property. The only things I have are those I've been able to maintain by force or threats. There is no good will from other people, they'd kill me if they could get away with it to take what I have. For this reason, I'll return the favor. What you are talking about, to me is delusion, idealism, it has never existed in my life. There is no possibility for me to believe that this "civilization" has ever existed or will ever exist.

Similarly to what you're saying, I see no living human doing what I need to do, no one else is picking up this task, because they're selfish and destructive and left alone they'd kill themselves and others one way or another. If I'm the last outpost keeping them alive, I consequently own them. This lays out the groundwork of some occult power. If the people I saved through my actions, refuse to follow my lead, my rules, I will lose motivation to defend them and will cast them out. Left alone they will soon die. This will leave only those who see my goals as their own. I really have nothing else to say here.

The new artifact you made is, from my view, right behind the romance dagger I made so there is nothing more for me to learn. This is to say it's your version of the same thing.

>>1282

I don't really understand a thing you're saying, I did examine the wings and see a use for them though, and that's what I made into the wand.

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5e42d0  No.1285

>>1283

I would've already made my exit from life if I didn't hold to these delusions and idealism. None of the things I talk about would be possible without my belief in fantasy and delusion having a real and actual ability to manifest itself in beautiful ways in the real world. All technologies and culture come from the mind, it's not found in nature but forced into being through idealistic belief, later proved and perfected through testing and practical work. I don't know how you can make an argument against the effectiveness of idealism, optimism, and faith, specifically in how effective these things are in keeping morale and hope. It's one of the major reasons why Christianity has found such a powerful foothold on the world.

Altruism is a great ability even from a purely atheistic, materialistic, and evolutionary perspective. But no one wants to be the dumb altruist unless everyone else is. Even then, taking more than what one puts back.

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5e42d0  No.1286

>>1283

>artifact

Your knife is destructive, the one I made using simpler and more childish thinking has a buffer of green cloth, similar to my eyes as the symbolism behind Yuuka's green hair, removes the necessity of violence. The dagger ultimately has everything the dagger of benevolence has, but seen from the perspective of those who benefit from the self-sacrifice. It's not the same as the one you made. The dagger of benevolence is my proof against the evils of this world, that my ideals won't break even if I have nothing to defend it with but my own stubborn worship and prayer. The green dagger is inferior in passion, and is fundamentally weaker in it's refusal to see outside itself.

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673ce2  No.1287

File: 3d19ca2c161be77⋯.jpg (92.24 KB, 680x680, 1:1, massive_bread.jpg)

Give me the world and I'll redistribute it fairly.

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5e42d0  No.1288

>>1287

I only believe in what one owns and protects as one's own, and I believe my life can only be owned by my death, what I can give is my work, and my devotion to my works. I'm not a communist, nor do I believe that fair trade is the correct method of trading. Distributing things fairly isn't my ideal.

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2f5bea  No.1289

>>1288

I think I understand the differences between your thinking here.

>This bond of trust is the basis of any civilization

This is true, but the key here is civilization, which is not universal. The way you see things is how members of a civilization/tribe/group should see each other. The level the other poster sees things at is how one group/tribe/civilization is supposed to look at each other. Or how individuals who do not share a bond or an agreement should see each other.

But where do these bonds or agreements come from ?

They are a way to increase the power of people by joining their destinies together. Anyone getting something by working with you, without taking risk/paying something is exploiting you. The reason exploitation doesn't happen is because of either a shared interest or goal, or because those involved have the ability to cause some harm to people who violate the agreement. This is either directly, or indirectly though something like courts. If you examine this situation carefully though you realize that everything is tied together at the level of force. Everyone below that level is tied to the destiny of those applying force for them. You are not free if you are not the one putting on the pressure. If you act together with other people who think like you as some type of "collective" then that's the real individual actor in the world, not you. At least not until you break away.

You can't treat everyone like the in group. You also can't give people the benefit of being part of an in group without them paying some cost. It's not a sustainable system. People need to incur a cost for things or else over time they become a drain.

I would recommend you read: "Skin in the game" by nassim taleb, for a more through look at this.

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5e42d0  No.1295

>>1289

The only person that can be called free either considers himself dead or owns cities/nations. The latter is still questionable.

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5b3415  No.1296

File: cbfd475e89cb66e⋯.jpg (35.33 KB, 1110x850, 111:85, 5f513c500a0408380.jpg)

>>1295

>>1289

For further elaboration, I don't care if what I'm doing is exploiting myself, and putting myself into the position of a slave for my own goals and aspirations. I don't expect a police state or some father or mother to fix the mistakes I make, or to prevent people from doing evil acts against me or the things I want and own. My viewpoint is very different. My body to begin with isn't something I can consider my own. It does things I don't comprehend, has the blood of beings I don't comprehend, has facilities that I don't comprehend. It fails me when I want to push it too hard. My mind, too, follows principles and laws that I don't comprehend, has a relationship with a world I don't comprehend. My spirit, if you believe in a spirit, is owned by forces I don't know. Proof of this is my inability to commit self-annihilation of the body, mind, to spirit. Self-destruction, self-hate, self-denial, is the only method of self-ownership a person can ever attain. This is also the most effective method of self-discovery, outside of examination of others but even this can only be carried out through self-inspection and knowledge, intuitive and essential knowledge, of how one functions.

You can also view this as the love of discovery and of breaking boundaries in order to attain the methods and knowledge a person wants and requires.

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a3c4a2  No.1297

>>1287

I want a bread like that.

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187cc0  No.1299

>>1296

Your concept of self-ownership is very interesting. Usually, what a person would try to destroy is the "psychological I", the ego. Trying to control the Self and make it subject to your animal will, that very ego, is going about things in a manner contradictory to a lot of the established occult traditions.

Why do you take this approach to personal development?

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5b3415  No.1301

>>1299

The psychological I is built up from the experiences of this present life. It's removed from the actual substance and void that's present in birth, removed from something of potential and vigor and into something vulgar, crude, and actual, a pit of stagnated water unable to find release and flow. I don't want to become a slave to the desires that others place on me, or to the desires that others expect me to have, I've instead found a slow release of religious ecstasy in the pursuit of knowledge and science. The only will I subjected myself to is the will of pursuit and discovery. This same pursuit shows itself in a basic desire of intellectual fidelity, and has it's own representation in carnal desires. You can see carnal appetites as being divine in origin, but corrupted and twisted into shapes and ideas that are removed from it's actual value.

I don't really acknowledge the difference between the ego, the I, and the Self. The ego is a creation of the self, something created through experience and expectation rather than through whatever process that led to the Self into being. In my view it's the void, the multiplication of two negatives forming a positive.

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5b3415  No.1306

File: 45f0fa41be29772⋯.jpg (156.79 KB, 937x586, 937:586, taste.jpg)

>>1050

After some meditation on these words:

>but until humans or that Platonic sky-demiurge can create an eternal hell for them (created from lego blocks and populated by fat autistic kids and run by modern women)

I suddenly saw that the sigil for the INCEL menace created a false particle based off of the female perception of how men should be. Men aren't like this at all, men are much more childish, and the mirror but ultimately similar problem with Remilia's white stick/wand in that it's men's conception of how women should operate, women aren't so childish. After more consideration, I placed in the temple my solution to that false-particle. Looks to me like a picture from the Adam and Eve story.

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5b3415  No.1307

File: 37ef33392378965⋯.png (63.76 KB, 824x428, 206:107, Hegel_opposition_denial.PNG)

In particular the issue was the value of the unegoistic, of the instincts of compassion, self-denial, self-sacrifice, precisely the instincts that Schopenhauer had gilded, deified, and made otherworldly until finally they alone were left for him as the “values in themselves,” on the basis of which he said “no” to life, also to himself. But against precisely these instincts there spoke from within me an ever more fundamental suspicion, an ever deeper-delving skepticism! Precisely here I saw the great danger to humanity, its most sublime lure and temptation— and into what? into nothingness?— precisely here I saw the beginning of the end, the standstill, the backward-glancing tiredness, the will turning against life, the last sickness gently and melancholically announcing itself: I understood the ever more widely spreading morality of compassion— which seized even the philosophers and made them sick— as the most uncanny symptom of our now uncanny European culture, as its detour to a new Buddhism? to a Buddhism for Europeans? to— nihilism?

-Nietzsche, Friedrich. On the Genealogy of Morality

To one poster here, who sees this compassion as hermeticism, this same movement of compassion into self-denial and rejection of one's desire is the malaise I want to remove from myself. Self-denial, and complete self-denial, naturally creates the condition for production and new life, outward in expression rather than inward and crude. The relief of pain, removing oneself from the conditions that actually produce proper and actual outcomes; the movement away from the natural source that brings about life and to the movement that removes the necessity of pain, I don't allow or agree with any of these things, I don't allow them to infect my mind.

>Good job, you've managed to lay out the entire structure explaining why benevolence is actually evil and a part of communism, and why buddhism and christianity also are

Both buddhism and christianity belong within the school of buddhism, the school of compassion and romance. Whatever idea of truth or benevolence you have of them is false, since these systems of belief don't have benevolence in them as their natural foundation, outside of what is essential and required for the existence of these two systems to continue. Taoism is what benevolence is, it's the rejection of what one isn't and the acceptance and worship of what one is. The patriarchal and Ancestral worship of the knife are two expressions of this: two expressions of self-worship and self-glorification, expressing itself outwardly in one's domination over the existing world.

I admit that my conception of both Christianity and buddhism are influenced by Falun Dafa and Li Hongzhi's conception of compassion. From this I don't want to admit to anything of what modern christians have come up with, it's fundamentally removed from christianity, since religion itself is an invention of man and not holy in origin. I placed male sexuality as I view it in it's entirely on the table of the temple. Essentially a drive to overcome and conquer rather than submit and do what's been said. Remilia placed her conception of female sexuality on the table. Both of these items complete each other, and they complete themselves, not requiring either to exist.

I'll also post this excerpt of text as an image, what I view as a complicated explanation of the 0D particle. Until I can find my own words to describe it, unoriginal but my own regardless.

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5b3415  No.1308

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>>1307

On the genealogy of morality is a good book, at the least for it's explanation of how christianity and "slave morality" managed to make itself win over the morality of the noble. The worship of power in itself, as expressed by a single person, rather than power as it's expressed in reality, is the failing point of the noble. And it's the ability of those who resent, those who've built their foundation off of hate of being forced into submission, to create ideals out of nothing but garbage and waste that leads them to their victory. To those who only want to feel good about themselves, to always say "yes", it'll look like fabrications and excuses to soothe a heart and soul tortured. I wonder what sort of resentment the strong hold over the weak when the army of rats manages to overcome them. Just read the "First Treatise," the rest really isn't worth anything.

Although I disagree on the assessment that the "lambs" resent the "birds of prey" because they hate power, and thus choose to run away from power. It's natural to hate that which destroys what you love, and if you love yourself it must be a sign of self-hatred to instead choose to love the birds of prey. Hating, planning, being forced into positions that are uncomfortable, and then finally acting is the correct choice. This is the true form of self-love.

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673ce2  No.1319

>>1307

>Whatever idea of truth or benevolence you have of them is false

What became clear through your sharing of that knife formation was that benevolence is a word describing something within a system only. It means, in short, to protect what is essential to an evil system. Normal behaviour based on mutual exchanges and benefits just call this "capitalism" or a deal or pact, no benevolence is needed.

It's presented as the good will of an otherwise evil entity, but being simply a false and disgusting thing as its only purpose is to motivate innocent people to support said evil. It's not a natural state. No benevolence is needed in a normal situation, as a normal and just situation naturally benefits all participants. Only from within the thinking formed in an evil environment would you need the concept of benevolence or good will.

Consider this statement as a presentation of a perspective, it's not meant as an argument inviting discussion. I don't see any benefit in further talked about this, as I see this as (my) final (stance) and have no interest in further studying anything in relation to this. I already made what I wanted in the form of the lolita romance dagger.

>>1307

>I placed male sexuality as I view it in it's entirely on the table of the temple. Essentially a drive to overcome and conquer rather than submit and do what's been said. Remilia placed her conception of female sexuality on the table

I have no objections to these. I know too little about male sexuality and this form at least moves beyond the darwinistic form. It's possible something is missing as I only see the male side in it and impregnation is fundamentally a female thing, a reverse of the male force, and it can't be complete without it, but I don't fully understand why the form looks the way it does so I'm not going to say more about it. The greys have a similar idea. It's part of their training programs, someone who can't reach this point according to them will be banned from passing on his genes in a near future. The darwinistic thinking of adopting the viewpoint of the males identifying as sperms all competeting for the egg, will lead to a sure failure here. You need to be a winner from the start or you won't be allowed to even run the race. This level difference in thinking is why most people remain slave level, they believe in competition and this disqualifies them from the start.

Remilia (a different one I think) offered to show me her view on this directly. It pretty much matches what I already know.

>what I view as a complicated explanation of the 0D particle.

It just looks like two crossed sticks with another stick leaning on it, I don't see how this represents anything.

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5b3415  No.1323

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>>1319

>It just looks like two crossed sticks with another stick leaning on it, I don't see how this represents anything.

I was referring to the picture, the text in the image.

>What became clear through your sharing of that knife formation was that benevolence is a word describing something within a system only

I can only agree with this position if I were to take your account of the dagger via the scroll as the truth. The dagger isn't represented in the scroll, so I'm also forced to disregard it. The scroll you placed doesn't have a single 0D particle, and is filled with economy particles. It's not outside of a system. My dagger is just one particle, an actual 0D-0D particle. I'll make the hesitant but not final conclusion that rather than refusing to see, it's not within you to see it.

At this point I think the worst evil in the world isn't greed or selfish desire, not in false-expectation or projection, nor is it in slavery and rape, the worst evil in the world is complete, whole, apathy. I placed a scroll containing an 0D-0D particle created after the completion of the universe expressed here >>1270. The bottom, rather than stopping at 15, is apathy. In not feeling.

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5b3415  No.1324

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>>1319

>It's possible something is missing as I only see the male side in it and impregnation is fundamentally a female thing

The way I see it, it's a cyclopean mental collapse inward, self-impregnating thought forming and shaping itself into actual purpose and drive. Similar to how the drive towards self-hatred is a movement inward, ultimately culimating to an outward collapse, rather than explosion, of actual and true ability and discovery. The way I see it more literally is a single road with many branches, the road is endless and so too are the manifestations of the branches, it twists and turns and moves. It doesn't stop, for eternity it continues a march of failure and success, until the illusion of choice is removed, when every possible outcome of infinity is entirely comprehended not as individual steps but as the whole process. It's failure that leads to it's own success. It's not having won, it's choosing not to run in the first place.

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5b3415  No.1325

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>>1324

You can also see it as the meeting of two negatives. One in the negative of having to interact with women, garbage as far as I'm concerned, and the other in hating women, wanting them gone and removed. It's at this meeting point where the actual sexuality of men is made. There's a similar and mirror process in what I see the female side of sexuality as being.

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673ce2  No.1329

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>>1323

>The scroll you placed doesn't have a single 0D particle

The scroll itself is a single 0D particle, that's all it is. The rest is just the path to seeing it. I can't explain all of it because it's too complext that's why I lock it into a scroll. Each scroll made is a particle because scrolls just are, when made right. They give you a +1 on your magic stat if you make one, but the contents have to mean something relevant or it won't form.

>My dagger is just one particle, an actual 0D-0D particle.

That is not what I see, as I said before I see a description of how benevolence is evil with some law stuff including some dirty chauvinist thinking in it. I had to move past the dirty stuff to fit it into a perfected 0D scroll. I actually feel that same dirt trying to pry in as I'm typing this, which proves it's still clouding your view.

You once before (on meguca I think) admitted that you hadn't made a single complete 0D particle and that all of them were economy particles so I'm wondering what made you so sure this time?

>>1324

Ok. Then this seems to be a moving of the darwinian thinking into the right setting but still not getting to the goal because of remaining on the inside of it. Let me put it this way; for male sexuality to be complete it needs to express impregnation, you can easily test if it does by interacting with a female non physical entity. Theoreticising about it but not testing it is just masturbation in this case, there's really no need to do that as the chances of trial an error in application are endless.

>>1325

>One in the negative of having to interact with women, garbage as far as I'm concerned, and the other in hating women, wanting them gone and removed

This is probably just you projecting your own female side, which you don't like. I know my female side is a whore and I'm fine with this, so I don't have this problem.

This isn't something new, it's been discussed in psycho analysis where men would see images of women they saw as depraved and couldn't get rid of in their minds, because those images were their of subconscious female self, which was unkept. It's a form of mental hypocrisy of double standards causing a divide where you're shutting out part of yourself and denying it, making you an unfulfilled individual.

While a lot of people do take this thinking too far, you should always first consider if what you're experiencing is a mere creation of your own mind, before assuming that it's external. Many people in this sphere end up thinking everything is in the mind and that's not correct but assuming everything is external isn't right either, then you end up projecting, like many religions tend to do (ahem, christianity). Repressed sexuality leading to people lashing out against other people is common. I'm aware that the

>if you hate gays you're secretly gay

argument is overused, but there are cases where these things happen, and I think this is one of them. That is to say

>if you hate thots, it's because you are secretly are a thot

Taking note of something being negative, from an indifferent standpoint isn't what I'm talking about here, you'll understand what I mean if you want to. But I don't think you want to.

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5b3415  No.1333

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>>1329

>The scroll itself is a single 0D particle

>You once before (on meguca I think) admitted that you hadn't made a single complete 0D particle and that all of them were economy particles

You're suffering from the same problem I had in meguca, when I mistook a bunch of economy particles as the actual particle rather than a particle being something innate and internal. There's not a single 0D particle within your scroll. Otherwise, I never claimed I never made a complete 0D particle, I remember the context being I never made made an 0D particle within the context that an economy particle isn't a god particle. This was false, my perspective was just biased and based off of external rather than internal thinking. Meaning, I thought the world I saw with my mind's eye was real.

>for male sexuality to be complete it needs to express impregnation

You gotta use the thing on yourself in order to understand how it's expressed. Otherwise I have nothing else to say, by completing every step of failure you reach a point where you realize the steps aren't required. The first mistake is assuming a man has to please a woman, to interact with them, rather than pleasing himself through his own actions first. If something isn't fun, why do it? The second mistake is trying to correct women. Women can police themselves if they want to, men aren't effective at preventing them from doing things they don't like. Putting the two negatives together leads to a outburst of positive. This is a replication of what's done in the void, and isn't actually something I made by myself. I have to interact with female entities in order to understand the picture.

>While a lot of people do take this thinking too far, you should always first consider if what you're experiencing is a mere creation of your own mind

The actual thinking requires a man seeing something he doesn't like and thinking, "I don't like it." Accepting what you don't like is normal.

You're making too many accusations without giving much of any ability for a person to express their own personal view, most of these accusations are you not understanding male thinking.

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5b3415  No.1334

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>>1329

>That is not what I see, as I said before I see a description of how benevolence is evil with some law stuff including some dirty chauvinist thinking in it

You've externalized your view away from the actual particle into the belief that the dagger represents external motivation rather than internal motivation, meaning you see it as law based because it looks and can only be accepted by your mind as law based. I thank Yuuka for showing me a glimpse of what your thinking might be like. In my eyes it's not accepting that people can have good will, and that people do have an instinct towards altruism. I've seen how my parents have done things normal people don't, in accepting the concept of charity for no personal gain, and giving things to others that ultimately doesn't improve their own personal lives. I've had periods where complete strangers would live in my own home simply because they had no other place to live, and my parents knew them just enough to know they aren't going to murder/steal/rape us in our sleep. These same people left and have done nothing to help us in turn. Just one example of altruistic behavior I've experienced and know is possible.

>This is probably just you projecting your own female side, which you don't like

My female side is domineering and demands I take control of situations that I don't want to have control over. I've cried over the fact that I'm selfish, arrogant, ignorant, and worse I have no ability to remove any of these things. Only accommodate and accept.

>It's a form of mental hypocrisy of double standards causing a divide where you're shutting out part of yourself and denying it, making you an unfulfilled individual.

Accepting it is also a form of hypocrisy. Why would you instead choose to like something that you dislike? Someone must have to either be broken or truly and utterly hate themselves, or worse, be completely apathetic to their own inner passions to deny that part of themselves. Accepting these things will lead to the worse possible outcome for a man: being a literal faggot, which is equal to a woman being a whore. The particle of apathy is based off of me thinking about what sort of mindset is needed for these people to even accept themselves. The answer is they don't think.

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5b3415  No.1335

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>>1333

>This was false, my perspective was just biased and based off of external rather than internal thinking. Meaning, I thought the world I saw with my mind's eye was real.

Another way of saying this: It's only after I've accepted that the world I'm seeing isn't real, but instead an outward expression of my own internal understanding and desires, only then can a person actually be capable of seeing. This is also the level where you remove the idea of external and internal fidelity. Liars, deceivers, those who hurts others for their own gain, those who base their lives off of the value given to them by others, those who derive pleasure not in their own internal world but in the validation given to them by others, those who don't accept the inner turmoil of great passions fighting each other in sight of internal and complete domination, those who wish to escape from their own pain caused not by others but from themselves, those who've removed pleasure from the act of pain, I hate these people. So, too, do I hate myself for having these things, and so too do I love that which I love. Loving and hating is a single action. Saying I deny these things is like saying I deny what I hate, I accept it as another part of passion of romance. I move these feelings towards benevolence, in great and ultimate love of life and it's pain and the joy it can bring. This is also religious ecstasy, feeling that great depression move towards something greater than I can ever be.

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5b3415  No.1336

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>>1329

>You once before (on meguca I think) admitted that you hadn't made a single complete 0D particle and that all of them were economy particles so I'm wondering what made you so sure this time?

I'll rephrase that question into something more meaningful, since otherwise the only response I can give is

<Nuh-uh I totally can!

>How can taste, touch, sight, smell, hearing, emotion, and aesthetic preferences be real when there is no coherent and absolute difference between the external and internal reality?

The answer: the fact that I can feel these things makes them real, and the fact that I can't refuse to feel them also makes them real.

And to answer another statement more concisely:

>Then this seems to be a moving of the darwinian thinking into the right setting but still not getting to the goal because of remaining on the inside of it

The idea of there existing a competition to begin with is wrong. There's no competition. What is there to win? There's no such thing as a state of failure or winning, since either position can change at any moment. I think your thinking is stuck within the level of competition.

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673ce2  No.1338

>>1333

>There's not a single 0D particle within your scroll

I think there's a misunderstanding here. The scroll left in the study room doesn't contain a complete 0D particle, nothing left in the egregore does. They're all common and shared objects which may, if you follow their guidance, lead you to forming one by completing it. You have to make it yourself. It's a manual for one. And that is what your knife isn't. If there was a complete 0D originally, you failed to transfer the full form of the artifact, meaning what you deposited isn't containing all information needed to create it. I know how to transfer things correctly, I do it all the time and it works. I know the scroll is correctly made and will contain a full 0D if a correct copy is made. But, some artifacts can't be copied, there are different degrees of "copyright" naturally occurring. The knife of Jill the Ripper is very difficult to copy properly, only two of the murder nymphs from the park so far managed to make one. Everyone else who tried ended up with something which looked like badly made cast iron which fell apart a while later. I've experienced this myself with artifacts being given to me, they seem to be working but the other person says it wasn't correctly copied and after a while it deteriorates.

I'll withstand my view on your benevolence knife because I see what I see in it, and that is the reason it was useful to me. It showed me what I needed to see so that I could make what I needed to make. The universe's egregore exposes information in one way or another through interactions and that's how it should be. I don't want to throw any more arguments back and forth on this, it all comes down to

>no u

in both directions.

>You're making too many accusations without giving much of any ability for a person to express their own personal view, most of these accusations are you not understanding male thinking.

I was attacked and accused so I returned it. But you'll probably just say that you didn't accuse me and that it's just my perception, as you always do when criticised for making unfounded negative claims about someone else. It's a little habit you have, of saying something rude and then blaming the other person for thinking it was rude. That's not how you behave in social situations, you have to actually consider how other people will feel about what you tell them. You've said yourself how isolated you are so I'll assume this is the reason; you haven't experienced enough times that what you said made someone upset, motivating them to cause you discomfort. After experiencing this a number of times you learn to not be rude because you don't want to be treated badly.

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673ce2  No.1339

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>>1334

>In my eyes it's not accepting that people can have good will, and that people do have an instinct towards altruism. I've seen how my parents have done things normal people don't, in accepting the concept of charity for no personal gain, and giving things to others that ultimately doesn't improve their own personal lives.

This is religious conditioning, meme thinking.

>if I treat people good I'll magically get something in return later

Actual meme thinking, as explained by Richard Dawkins, an idea which spreads. It's like smoking, it doesn't do you any good but you think it does and it spreads. Or alcohol. Everyone is saying it's addictive but I just get a headache from anything that isn't wine and I feel bored after drinking. Going to a party is boring to begin with, then people tell me that you have to drink to make it fun, but drinking in itself makes the boredom worse. This proves alcohol just like cigarettes is a meme. People have accepted this idea that they'll feel good after drinking, but it's just placebo. This has been shown when people have been told they're served alcohol and they start acting drunk, but it's non alcoholic drinks. When told the truth they get upset because they indeed did get drunk from it.

Altruism is the same. It isn't real. You've been told that you'll feel good after doing something pointless and then you believe it because other people seem to feel good about it. Memes aren't instinctual nature other than on the level where humans may have an instinct for creating them.

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673ce2  No.1340

>>1335

I don't see a point in this post.

>>1336

What you're saying here seems like dodging the fact that sexuality has a purpose. If you want to play the jew you can sit there and assume nothing and point this out as a

stance I have taken and criticise it while pretending you don't understand. Save this target shooting for times when you want to ruin discussions instead. There are better uses for this, such as when the other person doesn't want mutual learning out of it.

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5b3415  No.1341

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>>1339

>>1338

Your thinking isn't beyond the level of an atheist. My thoughts on this entire "if it doesn't benefit you it doesn't matter" deal is, there's no substance in this level of thinking. I feel things because I feel them, any rationalization for why I do it afterwords is dumb and inherently wrong. If I want to protect a child, I don't want to protect the child because I believe it'll benefit me in the future in some way, I want to protect the child because I inherently want to protect the child.

>What you're saying here seems like dodging the fact that sexuality has a purpose

Sexuality isn't goal oriented, it's felt and explored after the fact. It's internally derived.

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673ce2  No.1342

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>>1341

>>1341

>My thoughts on this entire "if it doesn't benefit you it doesn't matter" deal is, there's no substance in this level of thinking. I feel things because I feel them, any rationalization for why I do it afterwords is dumb and inherently wrong. If I want to protect a child, I don't want to protect the child because I believe it'll benefit me in the future in some way, I want to protect the child because I inherently want to protect the child.

>there's no substance in this level of thinking

That's what I said. I said it's a meme with no reality behind it.

If you want to protect the child because you want to, that's your personality. It doesn't support your concept of an innate benevolence in all humans, it only shows your personality contains this.

My personality is based on balance. If I do something and it means a loss, I will naturally have the hole which was created filled up with something similar. Maintaining balance between gain and loss is my personality. It's not intentional for some kind of benefit, as the result is always a return to zero. The reason I do anything at all right now is because of imbalance which needs to be corrected. I don't will this into being, it's a force of nature. Currently things were stolen from me, so I'm taking them back. In the process I get better at it. This is not intentional, but it happens. I was born in a state of loss, in a world which still refuses to balance out voluntarily. This forces me to arm myself and fight the world to recreate balance.

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673ce2  No.1343

>>1341

>vid

Also, can people wear shirts?

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5b3415  No.1344

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5b3415  No.1345

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>>1344

>>1343

tl;dr he doesn't conform to your petty morality.

>>1342

>I said it's a meme with no reality behind it.

Depends on how you define reality, or what can be considered real. I believe truth exists in every animate and inanimate object. The expression of truth is different, but the basic ability to have truth is the same. There's a certain amount of mental bending required to deny constants as being real, but I can see some. Even those these conform to my view of truth.

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673ce2  No.1346

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>>1345

It's drawing attention away from whatever he's trying to say and makes me think he's trying to show off his chest in a setting where it's completely out of place. Good way to get instantly discarded.

If this guy doesn't need to be shirtless why does that guy? Looks like you're just trying to prove you are, in fact, gay.

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5b3415  No.1347

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>>1346

If it makes you cringe, it means you care about the concept of someone having a shirt on. He doesn't, neither do I, all I care about is the information he presents. This is why he's shirtless, to prove the morality that people have projected on him is false and unreal. It's a statement that even if he's capable of achieving great amount of intellectual complexity and is capable of understanding topics that require extensive, time-consuming, and ultimately pointless amount of dedication, he didn't do it because he wants to conform to society.

I also have more respect for someone who has developed an aesthetic body and has developed a complex, and more importantly, truthful mind. It's a show of status as well. Someone who wears clothes must instead be ashamed of his body. Having a virtuous and devote spirit, enough drive and passion to showcase your naked body without feeling shame, and also being willing to express one's honest opinion on a subject AND give and show coherent and deep insight into whatever topic, what is more truthful than this? It's a signal that this person is unique not because of any external title or honor, but because he is virtuous in heart and spirit.

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673ce2  No.1348

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>>1347

>If it makes you cringe, it means you care about the concept of someone having a shirt on. He doesn't, neither do I, all I care about is the information he presents. This is why he's shirtless, to prove the morality that people have projected on him is false and unreal.

You do realize that this invalidates all of your own views on morality if applied back at you?

Whatever morality you project to justify hating women and whores, is just

>false and unreal

in your own words.

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5b3415  No.1349

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>>1348

>Whatever morality you project to justify hating women and whores, is just false and unreal in your own words.

Being a whore is about letting others define your own values, what your body is worth. It's shallow and without depth, it has no morality due to completely lacking any morality. There's no beauty in it, and is as truthful as excreting waste. This isn't even a moral statement, just a statement of fact.

Otherwise,

>You do realize that this invalidates all of your own views on morality if applied back at you?

No, I don't realize.

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5b3415  No.1350

>>1349

>>1348

>No, I don't realize.

This isn't a statement of, "I can't tell my own ass from my face, please enlighten me o'enlightened one!" I legitimately can't find any logic within your statement that conforms to what I've said. A whore has no value in itself, but I think virtue has value in itself, so virtue is moral. To have virtue, and to have character, to be caring and selfless (and being purely selfish as also being purely good makes no room for any difference between selfishness and selflessness), is to be moral. Not telling someone to put on a shirt in order to make them conform to whatever societal expectations you have of them, that has no real basis in anything other than shirtless men being uncomfortable to you, and thus bad or evil.

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5b3415  No.1351

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Let me state something, my understanding of morality doesn't go beyond the range of:

1: It's aesthetically pleasing (beauty in itself has value)

2: It has practical utility (functionality in itself has value)

Where yours, from what I see, goes from:

1: It doesn't exist (I see no value)

So what's the point? I can only understand this argument >>1348 from the perspective of

>What is morality, and if you can deny/affirm it only in specific context what reality does it have in another context?

Which is the same argument as

>How can christianity be real when there's so many other religions out in the world, why believe in something you're born into?

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673ce2  No.1352

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>>1349

Allow me to disagree.

>Being a whore is about letting others define your own values, what your body is worth.

They get to decide their own price, as with any seller or service provider.

>It's shallow and without depth, it has no morality due to completely lacking any morality.

So you're saying it lacks morality because it doesn't have morality. What amazing logic! And if I don't have carrots, it's because I lack carrots. Sounds like a circular argument to me. The implied connection between depth and morality (if there is such an implication?) is entirely fictitious, there is no correlation between the two. Rather I'd say, if a correlation exists it's the opposite. Since morality consists of shallow rules for people to follow mindlessly, someone lacking morality would be more likely to develop depth of personality and independent free thinking.

>There's no beauty in it

I see beauty in it. Maybe you just have shit taste.

>>1350

>A whore has no value in itself

Weird. So why do they get paid?

>shirtless men being uncomfortable to you, and thus bad or evil.

I said it's out of place and detracts from whatever message he supposedly had. From an information design standpoint it's retarded.

Maybe you feeling incomfortable about whores is the reason you think it's bad? You associate your subjective feeling with something external which is unrelated to you and can't be judged by that feeling.

>>1351

>Let me state something, my understanding of morality doesn't go beyond the range of:

>1: It's aesthetically pleasing (beauty in itself has value)

>2: It has practical utility (functionality in itself has value)

So you define morality from an entirely subjective standpoint which doesn't necessarily hold any relevance for anyone else. That's just arbitrary selfishness. I can do that too.

>1: It doesn't exist (I see no value)

>So what's the point? I can only understand this argument >>1348 from the perspective of

>>What is morality, and if you can deny/affirm it only in specific context what reality does it have in another context?

>Which is the same argument as

>>How can christianity be real when there's so many other religions out in the world, why believe in something you're born into?

Wait, you're actually downright admitting here that you see morality as something which cannot be universally applied, but should only be used arbitrarily as you see fit. Good, then we agree. This proves that objective "morality" is bullshit and does in fact not exist. You've handed me the argument.

I'll just call my opinions "morality" then and that means whores have virtue as well because I get to decide. And that mean your morality ends where mine begins. End of discussion.

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5b3415  No.1353

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>>1352

This can very easily become a wall of greentext and replies. I'm going to restate your argument as best as I can, with as much intellectual fidelity as I can, and answer with the best answer I can find. But first I need your acknowledgement of whether my interpretation is valid. I'm, in actuality, unequipped to answer all of these statements. Not in a way you'll find satisfactory.

>There's utility in disregarding morality (tradition in thought) for the sake of uniqueness

>From what basis do you derive beauty from? (You have shit taste)

>Whores getting paid is proof of their (inherent) value

>The feeling of discomfort is the origin of the belief of something being bad

>Morality as subjective and therefore false/irrelevant

There's one statement I can't understand

>You associate your subjective feeling with something external which is unrelated to you and can't be judged by that feeling.

This is either a statement of:

>There is no such thing as a reaction to a stimulus

>A person can't judge something based off of subjective feelings

The more I think about the statement the more it sounds like a statement of "judgement" not being possible, rather than a logical assertion. Do actually be honest, this is me trying to take your line of reasoning seriously. If I do actually find my logic wanting I won't try to run away from it, at least I'll try my best not to. You have to realize this isn't removing myself from my emotional framework, since I believe emotions are objectively real.

Some assumptions:

>You don't value beauty in sight, not in the way I do, but beauty as a sensation

>Sex as an action and a sensation is more important to you than sex as a way of sharing a unique (and intimate) bond

>Your inherent value system is not only different, but different to the degree of being comical/tragic

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673ce2  No.1354

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>>1353

>There's utility in disregarding morality (tradition in thought) for the sake of uniqueness

Personality is what you are at the core of your being, morality is external to who you are and must be given up for you to reach your true self. Personality may be unique.

>From what basis do you derive beauty from? (You have shit taste)

From epic romance as a lifestyle. Romance as the 1800s style in art and culture, not the modern conception of it.

>Whores getting paid is proof of their (inherent) value

Being paid money for something shows that it has value because money represents effort and time put into something, it's investing your life into something. By supporting someone's lifestyle you are giving them value.

>The feeling of discomfort is the origin of the belief of something being bad

Correct.

>Morality as subjective and therefore false/irrelevant

It shows that objective morality isn't real.

>There's one statement I can't understand

>>You associate your subjective feeling with something external which is unrelated to you and can't be judged by that feeling.

>This is either a statement of:

>>There is no such thing as a reaction to a stimulus

>>A person can't judge something based off of subjective feelings

Same as above, if your subjective feeling was used to form "morality", this morality isn't objective, it's subjective. It can't be applied outside of yourself, and this means your projection of morality and what you say is just an opinion, it's not right or wrong in itself.

>You don't value beauty in sight, not in the way I do, but beauty as a sensation

I supppose that's right, my strongest sense is the tactile while my visual sense is the weakest.

>Sex as an action and a sensation is more important to you than sex as a way of sharing a unique (and intimate) bond

No. Those two ways are equally unimportant, unless you include its purpose in the word "action", then it may be slightly more important, but then that depends on what you place in "bond", I think you may be talking about something which is essentially the same thing in two different ways here.

>Your inherent value system is not only different, but different to the degree of being comical/tragic

Different to what? Everyone is different. Yeah maybe it's comical and tragic, that fits into "epic."

Everything I've posted have mostly been objections to what at first seemed like you arguing for the existence of objective morality and a universally inherent benevolence in all beings. You now no longer seem to be arguing in favor of objective morality and your concept of benevolence seems more like personal opinion, so I no longer see a reaons to continue this, as it from my position looks like you adapted to me or rephrased your stance in a way which is now making it seem like you are in agreement with me on the main points.

That is why I said

>end of discussion

in my last post.

You can probably argue indfinitely by using the unclearness created by your concept of reality as inherently subjective while placing the concept of objective within the frame of your own subject and alternating between them to avoid any concise and clear logic locking your thinking in a causal path. If you want to play with that, have fun. I have no interest in twisting things back and forth this way. You now have the choice to either see that this is what you do, and decide which model you believe in as the frame, or you can keep switching between these two levels in your mind for the rest of your life while getting nowhere. I won't be there to do that with you.

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5b3415  No.1355

>>1354

I've actually reverted to the method of gaining knowledge I used in meguca, in asking questions and receiving responses, then re-adjusting my viewpoint from this.

Alright, your objection isn't in morality, but in the projection of morality. Then the correct argument is:

Morality is the name given to a set of values and ideas used to maneuver around a world that can't be comprehended through the mind of a human being, a person stuck within the levels of this world and within the level of economics and competition, in order for them not to accrue karma and lose character/spiritual foundation. In practicing these things, in doing good and actively acting out and being a good person, one rebuilds and reestablishes one's internal personality, one's true self. It's from this subjective nature, the fact that when one interacts with the world there is a complexity of choices (which can be viewed as subjective), that morality finds it's subjective nature. Regardless, the eventual outcome is the same: the keeping of virtue, and the maintenance of the true Self. Until a person can once again find their path in cultivation, in reaching the state they were when before they accrued karma and lost themselves in the sensation that the universe can provide (in reality the subjective response to the sensation), a normal human being must rely on the tradition established by gods in order to not destroy themselves and others.

What you view as subjective is only subjective due to your haziness of thought. Feelings like love, compassion, hate, envy, pride, arrogance, lust, greed, etc are universal, they are expressed in each human. The fact that humans share the same general structure is proof enough in my eyes of the objective nature of thought. The ability for humanity to understand and commit themselves to math, something that is built within the mind first and foremost, is also proof of this.

So my morality is really just platonic forms taken to the extreme.

> unless you include its purpose in the word "action"

Sex doesn't have inherent purpose in itself. It's something unexpressed, and it has functions, but it's not a purpose (a telos) in itself.

>Everyone is different

Depends on the degree of difference. Everyone isn't different, but there are differences.

>Everything I've posted have mostly been objections to what at first seemed like you arguing for the existence of objective morality and a universally inherent benevolence in all beings

Key word is seemed, I argued from the beginning even on Dicksword that my morality came from my own sense of preferences, an aesthetic preference. In talking to you I've realized just how true this is, beyond an ability for me to actually doubt.

>as it from my position looks like you adapted to me or rephrased your stance in a way which is now making it seem like you are in agreement with me on the main points.

You've taken keywords like "morality" and "benevolence" and twisted it and formed it into whatever shape you want it to represent. You said it best when you commented that your view of the dagger of benevolence only showed what you wanted it to see, and was thus false (although you didn't admit to it being false).

My thinking will remain the same, since it's just a response to the complexity of the world. You're fundamentally mistaken if you think I can be "fixed" or changed. I only develop.

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673ce2  No.1356

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>>1355

>Morality is the name given to a set of values and ideas used to maneuver around a world that can't be comprehended through the mind of a human being, a person stuck within the levels of this world and within the level of economics and competition, in order for them not to accrue karma and lose character/spiritual foundation

You already showed me what I was looking for in this sentence, the rest isn't important. This is why I don't need morality. Morality is a map for those who don't know their surroundings. As any map it uses simplifications and symbols and it's not a complete image of reality.

I mentioned to you how I needed to reach the "matrix control" within two months but that I soon after already did. Within every lifetime I started off seeing a smaller area, and as my life progressed I was able to fully expand my view. I would never move outside of the area of clarity, but now I see what this is all about. Other people are very dumb. They don't have any spiritual vision at all and will still with confidence walk out into the world. That's why they come up with "morality." This is actually a realization on an almost incomprehensible level. Of course they'll fucking get in trouble if they do things like that. This the true level of human stupidity. You've said that the vampires are afraid to lose something and won't move outside of their areas. You made this sounds like criticism. You don't get it at all. They don't need morality as a map either, because they see reality as it is. Moving outside of their path would instantly create karma and lead to a loss of virtue, yet you are implying they are cowards for maintaining their course.

The following is pointless in light of this but I'll reply to it anyway.

>Feelings like love, compassion, hate, envy, pride, arrogance, lust, greed, etc are universal, they are expressed in each human.

This is a baseless assumption. You don't know that every other person feels the same things you do.

>The fact that humans share the same general structure

This is not a fact, it's referring back to baseless assumption.

>is proof enough in my eyes of the objective nature of thought.

This exposes how you build sequences of internal logic originating in something very weak. Your entire structure of reasoning can collapse any moment if this is how you do things.

>Sex doesn't have inherent purpose in itself. It's something unexpressed, and it has functions

The function is the purpose.

>my morality came from my own sense of preferences

So it's not universal.

>You've taken keywords like "morality" and "benevolence" and twisted it and formed it into whatever shape you want it to represent.

False. There is no will involved. You're trying to make it sound like a political rebranding of something to make into something it isn't.

>You said it best when you commented that your view of the dagger of benevolence only showed what you wanted it to see, and was thus false (although you didn't admit to it being false)

This is twisting what I said. I said it showed me what I needed to see. It's truthful. I never said the dagger showed anything false either. It shows, truthfully, how benevolence is evil. I already suspected that it was, but you showed it to me in undeniable detail.

>if you think I can be "fixed" or changed. I only develop.

Those are the same things.

Also good night.

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5b3415  No.1357

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>>1356

>Also good night.

I see the energetic structure I want in impart on you, so I consider this a success. I'll go squat and then ruin myself by reading Falun Dafa/crying until I find the solution to whatever problem it presents, and then do something else.

>This is a baseless assumption. You don't know that every other person feels the same things you do.

This is also equally baseless. It's from this baseless thought, removing expectation and attachment, that vision is found. The world can only be viewed from my eyes, and understood through my mind and body, but there's still an external world that acts. I could add in thought, vision, feeling, smelling, hearing, as methods of perception, but that's not as poetic.

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2f5bea  No.1358

>The idea of there existing a competition to begin with is wrong. There's no competition. What is there to win?

> If I want to protect a child, I don't want to protect the child because I believe it'll benefit me in the future in some way, I want to protect the child because I inherently want to protect the child.

>What you view as subjective is only subjective due to your haziness of thought. Feelings like love, compassion, hate, envy, pride, arrogance, lust, greed, etc are universal, they are expressed in each human.

>my morality came from my own sense of preferences, an aesthetic preference.

Where do these preferences or feelings you have come from ? What purpose do they serve ? They're clearly not random. While I think social conditioning and memes can't be discounted there's something more to it.

> Regardless, the eventual outcome is the same: the keeping of virtue, and the maintenance of the true Self. Until a person can once again find their path in cultivation, in reaching the state they were when before they accrued karma and lost themselves in the sensation that the universe can provide (in reality the subjective response to the sensation), a normal human being must rely on the tradition established by gods in order to not destroy themselves and others.

I don't think it's that complicated or that much of a forgone conclusion people will trend towards. Morality is just the way you figure out how you should act towards other beings and how they should act towards you. It's relative and subjective, but not convergent. Some people will not operate within or near the framework you do. If you don't treat them differently because of this, they won't change overtime and see the light, so to speak. Treating them differently doesn't guarantee this either but it's more likely to achieve something than anything universal.

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5b3415  No.1359

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>>1356

>Moving outside of their path would instantly create karma and lead to a loss of virtue, yet you are implying they are cowards for maintaining their course.

I call them cowards because they don't want to accrue karma, in making mistakes. So they stay stuck, in their way of thinking, which might be true at their level, might be entirely correct at their level, but is not the whole picture. As someone who values truth, I've realized there's a necessity in moving outside of the sight of clarity. In refusing to remove out of your zone of comfort, in straining and putting yourself under extreme levels of anxiety, you might have limited yourself in a way that was never required. Like with how Boomers refuse to see a world outside of whatever political ideology they have, a vampire will just sit and think they have everything. Victory, ironically, has defeated them. In being unable to lose, you're unable to also progress. This was actually talked about in meguca.

I feel like this isn't the whole picture, but this level of thought is what I've been acting in for a while now. This isn't the whole picture. Criticize it if you want, a new position will come from the insight provided.

>>1358

I don't know. I don't discount social conditioning or memes either, but I have been socially isolated throughout my life either due to my social incompetence or my hatred of the common person. My insights, from what I can tell, derive themselves from a slow collapse inward towards self-discovery. The purpose is to be myself, even if what I am is dirty. I also acknowledge that I see purity in my method of thinking. If I truly hated myself I would be committing myself to more drastic measures.

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673ce2  No.1361

>>1359

>Like with how Boomers refuse to see a world outside of whatever political ideology they have, a vampire will just sit and think they have everything.

The difference between them is that the vampire has actual virtue in the form of a white and strong energy which can be used for magic, and this will eventually lead them out of that state. The boomer has invested his life in building up an external "virtue" within a political system, he doesn't have the white energy. What he has is the "virtue" of being able to say he's supportive of democracy, western liberalism and related pointless values which have no use at all beyond the direct physical social setting he's in right now.

If you honestly compared these two thinking they were somehow equal from an esoteric viewpoint, you're in a too shallow mindset to grasp my previous argument about not leaving your comfort zone.

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5b3415  No.1362

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>>1361

>The difference between them is that the vampire has actual virtue in the form of a white and strong energy which can be used for magic

>and this will eventually lead them out of that state

You're fundamentally mistaken if you think accumulating enough virtue is enough to get you out of any state at all. It's a matter of building character (the method and caliber of thinking), not amassing energy, otherwise anyone who gathers enough Ki can reach anything and be anything. But I admit that virtue can get you more things than Ki can.

I'll quickly rehash the topic in meguca. Vampires originally had submissive particles. If their thinking moves away from their typical methods of thinking, they might die. Not being stubborn is a detriment. The creation of a white 5k spike, a spike of white acidic energy characterized by being within society, allows them to think and move more freely without being killed. This is why they're stubborn. Boomers being stubborn is for different reasons, they just don't like the mental discomfort associated with moving position. The topic of vampires isn't something I see you having any real ability to argue with me over, there's nothing you can say about it that is new for me. Feel free to regardless.

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5b3415  No.1363

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I placed a new pair of wings representing the dismantling and rebuilding of moral/value systems. It is an actual system, every person has their likes and preferences, being able to dismantle and comprehend it is important, and make adjustments based off of goals is also important. Like the other set of wings I placed, it connects to the 7D section of the body, the upper back where the shoulder blades find themselves.

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673ce2  No.1364

>>1362

>You're fundamentally mistaken if you think accumulating enough virtue is enough to get you out of any state at all. It's a matter of building character (the method and caliber of thinking), not amassing energy, otherwise anyone who gathers enough Ki can reach anything and be anything.

You're too simplistic in your approach here. How do you get from qi to gong in the first place and what is the result of having huge virtue? If you go by Li Hongzhi's statements you may get into a fixed logic thinking where it seems you

>can't transform qi into gong

>can't use virtue for anything

and that the only way forward is to practice his method. But if you read his book Zhuan Falun he admits that martial arts practitioners can develop gong through physical practice which at the lowest level means swinging your arms around which only effects the blood flow. Take note of that last part. The first step to developing gong is on the level of blood, in Li's owns words. This is the level of magic vampires are known for. This shows by mere theoretic logic that vampires can develop gong, even going by what is taught in Falun Dafa.

Leaving that aside, it's my experience that amassing huge amounts of energy does lead to a situation where you can develop, you just need to gather enough energy. At a high concentration it will change, and it will be able to effect its surroundings. By just grinding on in the "dumbest" way possible your influence on the world will be great enough that the proper methods will be handed to you because you control enough of the world to have it included. The image may not be fully clear from what I said so I'll try using a metaphor:

You can say that if you gather large amount of books and all of them are harlequin novels you're not going to learn much. This is looking at it in the wrong way. First off, if you read them you'll find a number of different approaches to the themes presented because there are many different writers. You'll start seeing patterns and learn about storytelling, maybe you'll gain the skill to write your own novels and make money from it. Maybe you'll get famous and this will change your life. If you start trying to buy all of them you have to buy used books because some are out of print. At the stores you may see other things catching your interest and you end up buying other types of books. This way you're through circumstantial events being lead to expand your field of interest and knowledge.

This way of looking at it can be drawn out almost endlessly. My point should be clear from that example, it doesn't really matter where you start, if you do gather large amounts of low level things, you will develop over time anyway.

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673ce2  No.1365

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>>1363

I think you had the wrong motivation when making this but there is no problem in the wings themselves. I made something which works from my view. It's a boomerang. I left one in the study.

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5b3415  No.1366

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>>1364

I'm going to be completely and 100% honest with you in saying, I'm not capable of making into speech the subtle nature of how energy works, or how gong is created, or what qi is, I'm not capable of answering every question and statement of yours with my approach to these things without making a sacrifice in some way, in terms of either information or clarity. Some amount of faith is required in understanding, I'm not retarded, I know what I'm saying, and most importantly, I understand what position you come from, but I see the world in a different perspective with a different set of values and morality. Talking to you might be both fun and painful, but this is a point where I'm not able to write without thinking about every thing, to the tiniest detail and to the most extreme amount of intellectual fidelity I can mentally muster at any given moment. This isn't a fault on your side as much as I don't have the ability to retread my position and start from where I think the misunderstanding has come from, without writing pages of content, and repeating statements like I'm talking to a child. With no offense meant, my point of view sees you as being a liberal atheist trying to find proof in the existence of the supernatural by asking questions rather than feeling and seeing himself, through trial and error. I can make logical arguments, but it doesn't work if the logic is inherently denied as being fanciful and deluded.

I appreciate that you do in fact try to be cordial, I also realize you intentionally try to use rhetoric and crudity to your advantage, but I can't do anything. Rather, I don't think I can articulate my viewpoint in any more depth that I already have. But I'll do it anyway.

Morality is a set of values, a set of positions and "roads" that can be taken to arrive at an outcome. If you want to be nice, it might either come from the personality of being nice, or wanting an outcome that requires "niceness" to exist. From my view, it's born from the void, it's born from the lack of existence. It's baseless. This means, philosophically, that it is it's own basis. This is also what a god particle is. If you disagree with this, I won't stop it. I don't think your mind is angled towards the aesthetic appreciation of knowledge and technical details like I am, so something having no base and being it's own base might sound fucking retarded to you.

>>1365

This works for what it's intended to do. It doesn't do anything to me, however. This looks like the beginning of the wings, from the standpoint of apathy.

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673ce2  No.1367

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>>1366

>my point of view sees you as being a liberal atheist trying to find proof in the existence of the supernatural by asking questions rather than feeling and seeing himself, through trial and error

This is amazing. I've always been an advocate or trial and error as a method. Your view of me appearantly is the direct opposite of what I've stated literally in text during previous exchanges. For some reason, you invert my statements and see me as something very far from who I am. Yes, I do always present a persona online, for opsec reasons, but nothing in it is false in the sense of my personality. I'm only changing the weight a bit to cloud personal identifiers. Personal experience, practical participation, making your own judgments, all of these are the methods I've used and recommended others to use. What you're seeing is some kind of mock image you're claiming is me, but it's not even close enough to function as a strawman or parody.

I do see what the core issue is though, in your text, through the formation of whatever message you intended to express here, (which I'm clueless on, I don't see it) a formation within you which is really the main combatant I've been fighting all this time. The spider in the web, the mastermind organizing all these diversions, constantly and intentionally finding new ways of misunderstanding, misinterpreting and dodging the meanings of the message I've been trying to transmit to you. In the game, the external one, I already said "check mate" a few posts ago. This however is the real opponent exposing himself. I'll find a way to show you what he is and why he's doing what he does, as well as how to beat him on every front, because this is what I set out to do. He's resourceful and skillfull, but, he's wrong. I'm going to show him how and make him understand it. Then I'm done.

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5b3415  No.1368

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>>1367

You should really watch made in abyss in order to understand why I use him symbolically in my posts. The newest movie in specific, even if it is a cam recording at the moment, it's still good. I've watched it twice, planning on watching a third.

To make it clear, I do recognize that you do value trial and error. But in this specific circumstance, in the topic of morality, you have no trial and error. You've just accepted that it doesn't exist.

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673ce2  No.1369

>>1368

I've seen the issue in detail now and solved it personally, but I yet need a way to transfer this understanding. I see one way, maybe.

https://www.healthline.com/health/femoral-neck-fracture#causes

I'd say the answer is found here. If you want to avoid this, what do you do? For people who have this happen to them, why does this happen from a metaphysical standpoint, in relation to the topic of morality, in the line of thought we've discussed it. If you can see this you'll see what I mean. I can't be clearer than this right now.

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5b3415  No.1370

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>>1369

I actually see the problem as being multiple things, and is shown somewhat in the anime Haibane Renmei. The problem is also sort of why I can't enter the lotus position for proper meditation. For context, vampires have sort of neglected the white acidic energy and treated it as something bad. It's only after developing the 5k spike that a vampire can even begin to treat it as something of a metaphysical/philosophical problem. In the same sense, they haven't even started to comprehend the exact opposite.

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5b3415  No.1371

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>>1367

I get the feeling I need to explain why you've not checkmated anyone other than yourself. You've explained your own position, using my words as a basis for your insight (and the basis of your conclusions from that insight), believing me laying out your position as being the same as showing an unmovable solution. There wasn't a checkmate as much as I said a rational argument for why morality isn't real, using what I perceived to be your position. Why do I then keep believing in morality, if there's a rational reason to not believe in it? How do you defeat apathy? The answer is: you've mistaken willful ignorance as an actual solution. In intentionally limiting your point of view, you believe the problem doesn't exist anymore. Morality is a problem of complexity. Just like the argument for

>How can christianity be real when there's so many other religions out in the world, why believe in something you're born into?

Is false, since the entire basis of the argument is "there can be no verification of what is and isn't the correct choice". Atheists will use this to deny religion in it's entirely and also deny anything spiritual in it's entirety. They might just think christianity IS spirituality. It's dumb and short sighted.

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2f5bea  No.1372

>>1371

>I call them cowards because they don't want to accrue karma, in making mistakes.

>You're fundamentally mistaken if you think accumulating enough virtue is enough to get you out of any state at all

>From my view, it's born from the void, it's born from the lack of existence. It's baseless.

>Vampires originally had submissive particles. If their thinking moves away from their typical methods of thinking, they might die.

There is a sort of dualism in your thinking I can see here. You're correct in seeing that it is "baseless" from a certain perspective. However when you add in the dimensions of time and trends of outcomes, it changes. There is no objective basis for it, but certain moral outlooks will tend to mesh better with the universe than others. And you know this is the case, going off of your other posts.Those other ones while they might not lead to outright elimination of the person holding them over time, they will trend towards solipsism. Not playing well with others will lead to being alone. Or, perhaps how the other poster would say it; not playing to win is playing to lose.

The way I see "virtue" as mentioned by the other poster is just not being stupid or acting unsustainable ways that will over time bite you in the ass. Knowing not to make mistakes, rather than making them and learning. Is the mistake more important than the lesson learned from it ? I think the point of frustration here is that you seem to want to make all of the mistakes yourself, rather than looking around and trying to learn from others. You are how you are until the universe kicks you in the teeth enough times to encourage a change. I can respect this as a position, but also understand how someone could see it as unproductive.

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673ce2  No.1373

>>1371

>I need to explain why you've not checkmated anyone

Non of this matters because I saw the full image of the game when I made the post, which isn't that post but another one above, after which you reacted in confirmation of what I had concluded. I don't know why you feel a need to write this, it's not like you're going to convince me that the opposite of something perfectly clear and laid out in detail is real by just saying "no you're wrong" while not seeing what I see or addressing it when it came up, as you had done if it hadn't been a check mate.

>you've mistaken willful ignorance

Funny. This is one of your to-go expressions; pretending that someone not knowing about something is a willful ignorance. How does a person willfully stay ignorant of something they do not know about in the first place? They can't. You're assuming certain specific knowledge you have, or rather, perspectives you have, are known to everyone, and that consequently someone not seeing it is a willful erasure of that view. I have to reply to this because it's an offensively narrowminded concept I can't leave left standing uncriticised.

Why do you stay willfully ignorant of the fact that you're wrong? ;^) Just correct your view instead of being this stubborn.

>Why do I then keep believing in morality, if there's a rational reason to not believe in it?

Belief is a substance and it's not rational. I've also never claimed there's a rational reason not to believe in morality, I'm just trying to destroy the belief in it. Rationality or not isn't interesting to me, I'm just attacking false ideas.

>>How can christianity be real when there's so many other religions out in the world, why believe in something you're born into?

>

>Is false, since the entire basis of the argument is "there can be no verification of what is and isn't the correct choice". Atheists will use this to deny religion in it's entirely and also deny anything spiritual in it's entirety. They might just think christianity IS spirituality. It's dumb and short sighted.

????????

Who are you talking to or replying to here? What does it matter what atheists believe in and if religion can be denied or not? You're grabbing this out of thin air, no one talked about anything of the kind.

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5b3415  No.1374

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>>1373

>>1372

>However when you add in the dimensions of time and trends of outcomes

That's the problem in your thinking. Morality is nothing, it can't be destroyed or removed. You can remove the name of morality, the title given, but it'll always be there. It's the reality that outcomes have consequences. It's apathetic in nature, at it's base. Very literally I see it as the void. This has already been laid out in the wings I posted, if anyone wants to understand it then go look at that.

If you want to play the game of, "I can see it in your thinking but I can't do anything about it!", you can. It's a fun game.

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2f5bea  No.1375

>>1374

I now understand your position. Apologies for mis reading things.

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673ce2  No.1376

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>>1374

That's a funny webm.

>It's the reality that outcomes have consequences.

That kinda says it, morality is only relevant within the lower causal levels, not at the acausal/chaotic level, which is at the top layer.

See

https://pastebin.com/CSXTEv8z

It's nothing new, just a more concise way of saying it.

Also you replied to two different anons there.

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5b3415  No.1377

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>>1376

The higher realities are based off of the lower ones, that's just how the structures are made to begin with. You can actually float on the level of 2D, ignoring 1D, but this is actually a trap. A very dangerous one. Glad we've found an agreement.

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5b3415  No.1378

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>>1376

Also pay attention that in philosophy, something born without a cause, something born without a basis, is it's own cause. Acausal, something not caused by anything else, is the nature of the morality as I defined it to be. I don't agree with chaos as you put it. The universe isn't chaotic, if it was nothing would actually have any order or sense, aesthetically or in terms of symbology. Nothing would connect to itself, which isn't how the void operates.

Don't play Yume Nikki unless you like doing pointless things for long periods of times. It's not a game, more of a collection of ideas.

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5b3415  No.1379

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>The main takeaway from this entire line of thought is to differentiate between signal creators and signal repeaters: people who create spiteful narratives and people who are extremely responsive to social cues. More broadly, you can hate the culturally mediated narcissism of women today and still love women for the agreeable, impressionable creatures they are. And you’re still allowed to hate people with actual, genetic narcissistic personality disorders, provided you can discern the differences.

This is the end of the discussion, I don't know what it was and I forgot what started it to begin with.

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673ce2  No.1380

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a7 started it august 2018 by posting a discord invite on /x/, the rest is history. Or destiny.

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5b3415  No.1381

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>>1380

For me it started with the vampire thread.

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5b3415  No.1383

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I placed 2 items in the temple. One designed to remove the state of mind of "giving up." Also aims to remove the idea of winning or losing, neither of these states exist. There's only eternity. The second a halo representing the thinking used here: >>1356. Morality as what's correct rather than morality as what's been told to be correct. Really it's my conception of the void, understood not through the lens of looking into an abyss but as a person being the source and equal to the abyss.

I don't know what the disagreement is about other than the word morality is used, and that somehow makes it super bad. There's not even an attempt to try to understand morality in the way I use the word morality.

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5b3415  No.1385

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>There is a system of thought that you must conform to if you are not to generate karma, if you leave this system of thought you instantly become closer to being a bad person and lose virtue.

<What should this system of thought, designed to limit a person's ability to make choices and funnel them into rational and virtuous routes be named?

>Not morality. Definitely not morality.

<Absolutely not morality, who would make such a claim?

>I know! It's ethics!

My autism is welling up.

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673ce2  No.1386

>>1385

Ethics is the discussion on right and wrong in practical situations like a doctor with limited resources choosing to help one patient over the other. Something to rationalize the decision of why he helped one and not the other, when he wanted to help both. If you go by your personality you just help the one you like more or see more benefit in helping, but other people may not like that rationalization so you come up with a more acceptable one.

My view is still that morality is an artificial womb, it's replacing an organ in the abdomen with mental emulation rather than intuitive adaptation.

>>1383

I went past these before, you seem to pass the same area as me after if I pass it first, sometimes the other way around. I don't like the halo, it feels rotten, or like gastric acid. This isn't the same as my view at all but it's contained within the same frame.

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a3c4a2  No.1387

>>1380

What is a7?

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5b3415  No.1388

>>1386

>I went past these before, you seem to pass the same area as me after if I pass it first

The first one is another method of explaining or going through something I've went through a dozen times already, for different areas of my life. The first item disregards the idea of loss and gain, disregarding the idea of outcomes even existing. If anyone is bothered in how logically consistent I can be, this would also ruin my definition of morality. Rest assured, there's not a logical inconsistency in the thought. Disregard the notion of time, and of eventual outcomes, and things will still be consistent. The same fundamental logic is in the second item. The second item uses the same logic of putting two negatives counteract each other in order to create a positive used here >>1324. In this case it's apathy and hate meeting together in order to create a system of values. In the other, hate of deception and infidelity and the wanting to be alone forming itself into a form of love. The structure hasn't completed itself within me so I can't completely encapsulate the form of the love, although the basic "standing above competition by neither participating and not participating, instead not acknowledging," is there.

>Ethics

Ethics looks like to me the branch of morality focused on the exploration of morality using rational rather than intuitive reasoning. From the wikipedia:

>Ethics or moral philosophy is a branch of philosophy that "involves systematizing, defending, and recommending concepts of right and wrong behavior."

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5b3415  No.1389

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>>1387

A discord name. It's A 7 times.

>>1388

Although I now realize this meeting of negatives can be said to be NOT wanting to become like that which is hated. If I were to hate deception, I would not want to become deceptive myself, and would want to be the opposite of whatever it is I'm hating. The hate of deception overcoming the love of wanting to be alone, both of these being negative or at best neutral, forming into the positive internal expression into the external. In the case of morality, NOT wanting to be apathetic to the plight of others, the hatred of apathy, and the blossoming of love. It's from these base beliefs that ethical (rational) morality can be derived, defining and turning whatever definition and idea of what one desires into an actual and workable framework to interact from. Otherwise my morality can only be called the irrational and intuitive reaction against certain stimulus, rather than the rational working against. The only failing point is whether mental models can work and function in real and actual scenarios.

Maybe I'm just trying to find the word wisdom in the word morality.

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5b3415  No.1415

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I placed a device/machine used to make the movement between each level of 0 through 7D into one single motion/step. It's based off of the thinking that 0-7 is really 1-9. The numbers being:

1: The void, nothing or value made without expression

2: Expression of the void and the realm of ideas/1D

3: Collapse of ideas and the movement out of competition

4: Expression of collapsed ideas into mental models

5: Love of art and work

6: Artistic devotion made into a calling

7: Level of economy and work

8: Movement between professions and cultures

9: Return to the void/full expression of one's potential

A couple of entities, one being Yuuka, help made my conception of the device into something more comprehensible to anyone that isn't just me. You can express the number relation in many ways, 0-8 also works, but 1 being the start makes for something more comprehensible. Something without a beginning or an end doesn't sit well with my concept of the universe, since I believe perception and sensation is the basis of life. More concisely, I believe existence in itself, unexpressed and expressed in itself, is the telos of existence.

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673ce2  No.1416

>>1415

Is this the 9 level structure repeating within the 3D and 4D levels? There's 9 level for each level there, while 2D has a 6 level structure, depending on how you look at it, it may have a 9 level structure with 6 levels in each.

It may be nothing but isn't it still kind of interesting how adding 7 and 9 gives 16, the number of universal levels when counting the chaos level of 0. While if you add 9 and 6 you get the structure without the original level, 15 levels.

Also made me think about how computers are based on the hexadecimal standard.

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5b3415  No.1417

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>>1416

It's heavily based off of math. In my view of my own body, hell has 9 levels instead of 6. I can see why it could function with 6, but there are 3 more levels. Those being:

1: Trench/close quarter combat

2: Surviving artillery fire and other similarly destructive scenarios

3: Napalm and nuclear weapons

The actual device has 27 levels divided by 3 for three major levels, add 4 in order to reach the fluid "one step" that I wanted to create. The 4 is the three steps that hasn't been discussed on /sunflower/. You can see it here >>1377.

I placed a pair of wings representing the original thinking used to create the device in the temple. Along with the three major levels represented as their actual particles. Those levels being

1: Amok/morality taken to the extremes of seeking and acting as death

2: Spirtual purity brought through death

3: Autistic (actual and true autism) behaviour and personality abidance.

It might be closer to say the universal structure is 31, since the level laid out with both the base structure of greed and negotiation are mirrors of the other. Since a point, the 0D, doesn't Express itself in only one direction.

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673ce2  No.1418

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>>1417

This is too complex, I don't follow because I don't see your perspective. I went by the wings which was easier and saw a base structure. I made a wand out of it, for some reason it turned into a wand firing a beam of some sort. This wasn't my intent, I feel this is an angel weapon and someone nudged my mind into making it. I'll leave a bleak copy in the study as I think this is highly copyrighted and requires remaking from scratch to be used.

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5b3415  No.1419

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673ce2  No.1420

>>1419

You're going to have to explain what you mean.

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5b3415  No.1421

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>>1420

The wings were made with the thinking that personality itself is malleable. Meaning, it's the same idea as the wings I've posted before, the one with the destruction and construction of economies based off of personal responsibility, the one about the destruction and construction of morality, and then finally the this one about the destruction and construction of personality. Bleach works since it has enough of the idea of what a teenage boy thinks life is all about. It's pretty good symbolically.

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673ce2  No.1422

>>1421

I don't think the weapon is about that at all, but I may have only seen the structure of it. I know, intuitively what its function is metaphysically but I can't translate it into anything. One way of saying it would be to just aim in the direction you're going and overcharge until you break through, never backing off, never changing your direction or intent and never taking into consideration any tactics or strategy apart from "increase the power until you win."

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5b3415  No.1424

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>>1422

That's all it really is. The things you've made in response to the items I placed are all destructive rather than focusing on the constructive, or both like I do. The wings also take into consideration that stopping and literally doing nothing/changing nothing is also a valid option. Winning and losing aren't things I can comprehend entirely at this point, it's like stopping at an end of a line instead of seeing that reality continues. I can only see that logic as dumb.

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673ce2  No.1425

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>>1424

This is all in your perception of it. As I said before, your power ends where mine begins, that may be why you see it as destructive. Both this wand and the other one are based off energetic formations, with a focus on "energetic." Yes they do make use of built up energy and spending it, but it's an investment, not a waste. I can imagine someone not seeing the result would only see the spending. It's in line with what you called "the pouring of blood", it does legitimately work but it looks weak and less in the end than before, but that is because its scope increased, it looks smaller from the perspective changing.

>Winning and losing aren't things I can comprehend entirely at this point, it's like stopping at an end of a line instead of seeing that reality continues

Not at all. Winning is

>the beginning of your own story

to meme a bit.

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5b3415  No.1426

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>>1425

>This is all in your perception of it

Literally. I mean, from what I see you're just remaking the structure in order to remove the constructive element, so there's only the destructive element left which is already within the device. Removing something doesn't make for a stronger device. But at this point, it's more likely that you're incapable of seeing the actual perspective needed to create the device. If someone nudged you in order to make an inferior version of a device that I've made, there is probably a reason for that.

The literal thinking behind this specific wings was how people treat autistics in normal society. Rather than trying to engage with them, and trying each and every opportunity and thought, they instead cast them off as people who are too sick and depraved to actually function. What a waste. If we're going to use the idea of winning, it's like believing just being good enough is good enough to win a race. In an actual race, it doesn't matter if you lose by the tiniest of a fraction of a second, you still lost. Throw everything at whatever you're trying to do, don't waste a single ounce of energy, don't deprive yourself of any advantage or opportunity, do anything and be anything in order to do what you want to accomplish.

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5b3415  No.1427

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>>1425

>Not at all. Winning is

>the beginning of your own story

>to meme a bit.

So winning is precisely what I just said it wasn't:

>it's like stopping at an end of a line instead of seeing that reality continues

This isn't winning, stopping and deciding this is the end of the road isn't winning. After you "win" you don't stay winning. You just keep moving, there isn't a condition for which winning is an absolute state. Talking to you is more a semantic conversation than one based off of actual substance. Another note, the device you made does use resources that are already existent in order to win. How do you continue to build resources? The answer is stupidly simple. You build them, and acquire them, constantly, so that when there is a time for trial and war, you've built up enough reserves to survive and thrive. That's the constructive part of the wings, which I see missing within your wand. It might just be straight up theft if the conditions call for it. Why waste soldiers if you can convince them to join your side? Why burn or destroy food stuff and buildings when you can occupy and use them yourselves? Why waste ammunition, vehicles, or machinery if you can use it yourself? This is the level 15 of this structure >>1270.

If you truly hate your enemies, then crush them. Use nuclear weapons, salt their earths, burn their crops, destroy their genetic structure and people. Manipulate and take control of their culture. Distort, manipulate, and annihilate them until no one remembered such a people ever even existed. This is the basis of the wings, Amok, destruction without care for consequences. Winning at any cost, not merely being good enough.

>Both this wand and the other one are based off energetic formations, with a focus on "energetic."

What does this even mean? Why are you putting quotations under energetic? Do you think the things I make aren't based off an energy, that they don't have an energetic formation of their own? Do you think the energetic formation you make within your devices are unique to themselves, as if they're not based off of the design that they're blatantly and publicly said to be based off of?

>it does legitimately work but it looks weak and less in the end than before

The pouring of blood is about using up resources without putting any energy back in. The moment you work on putting any energy back into the system using your own ability to create energy, and not steal energy, but even this is an important aspect at times, is when you leave the universe of pouring of blood. By this thinking, it's not pouring blood as much as spilling blood for the sake of winning. Sometimes losing is also winning, and is required for someone to actually succeed.

Do you not like that I call you devices destructive? Or do you not realize that when I say destructive, I don't mean destructive to me. I very literally see the things you make, and the person you are, to be someone I can play and toy with, in the case of your knife something I can eat. The things you make are destructive because that's what you currently are. My entire structure, internally, is built off of hate and apathy, to disregard anything I don't consider worth my time and effort. What sort of structure can these things sustain? The answer is, they're the basis of actually caring and providing for others, the things you love and the people you love. You say my power ends where yours begins, but my power doesn't have a beginning, it's without beginning. Is there a problem in wanting to have fun with people you like? Is there a problem with treating aggression as just another way for people to communicate and bond together with? The only thing I can't stand for is treason, betrayal, and deceit. Anything else, even just being a massive asshole constantly, is acceptable to me.

I placed a "grief seed" in the temple. It's something I've been trying to make for a while now but I couldn't get the picture right. This one is completed, might look differently depending on the perspective.

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e0aa2a  No.1429

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>>1377

This is exactly and perfectly incorrect. I agree with most of your posts in this recent blog battle, but you're forgetting that operations can only descend, and never ascend. Complexity is built on top of simplicity, not the other way around.

>>1385

Ethics and morality are foundamentally different. I think the two of you have somewhat blurred the line between the two in your argument, but the way I see it is:

Ethics are the fundamental natural principles of existence, they are the progression of an incomplete state towards a complete state, and this can exist in accordance or opposition to morality.

Morality is a temporal and temporary subset of causal effects which minimize cosmic rebound to your actions. It's the path of least resistance, which can sometimes even climb up hills to reach that deeper plateau.

Before I forget, >>1301

I've misunderstood your previous statement, it seems your understanding of this subject conforms to the traditional view.

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5b3415  No.1431

>>1429

>I agree with most of your posts in this recent blog battle

Rather than agreeing I'd prefer to entertain. But agreeing is close enough to providing some level entertainment.

>you're forgetting that operations can only descend, and never ascend

I can neither agree or disagree. I don't know how to even begin to try to categorize "above" and "below". But I do agree that complexity is based off of simplicity rather than the opposite. I don't want to stop at being in agreement, but I don't know how to explore the idea with any precision.

>Ethics and morality

I'd rather drop that entire line of conversation since it's become more of a semantic battle where I'm trying to keep the title of "morality" over actually arguing with any substance. There is a reality and there are objectively "correct" ways of moving, that's as far as I see the argument of ethics and morality going. I'm unwilling to argue what is ethical and what isn't, but I'm willing to argue what has more benefit.

>I've misunderstood your previous statement, it seems your understanding of this subject conforms to the traditional view.

Most of my thinking conforms to Falun Dafa. It's unoriginal in that sense, since I have no way to examine these principles outside of completely abandoning them. Completely abandoning ideas has come to hurt me in many ways in the long run so I'm unwilling to do that here.

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673ce2  No.1434

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>>1426

>Literally. I mean, from what I see you're just remaking the structure in order to remove the constructive element, so there's only the destructive element left which is already within the device. Removing something doesn't make for a stronger device

Let me tell you what I'm doing. This is not an argument, I consider this discussion beyond that by now. I'll just state what I do and you can take it or leave it, it's the same to me.

You've placed a number of incomplete structures in the temple which you call "devices", some of them in the form of wings. Some of them I could pick up and they'd attach on my back lightly in the form of a structural virtue, but they're not functional because they're incompatible with me. They also lack the zero particle needed to make them complete. By this I mean I don't see any guiding function in them telling me how to create one and make them complete. So to in some way use them and be able to share them with the entities/souls at my astral HQ or paradise, I analyse the structure of the wings. This often ends up being something with a sexual energy involved. This is what I mean by

>energetic

it's not meant as

>consisting of energy

but rather in the meaning like when someone can say a person is energetic or lacks energy. It is based off a strong positive energy.

I then add a handle and a container for the zero particle, usually a gem or stone. Rather than removing something like you claim, I'm adding components to make a complete device. Nowhere am I using any intent to destroy anything or to create something destructive. This is false, it isn't there. I am not adding that, it's something only you see.

>If someone nudged you in order to make an inferior version

What you made is inferior because it's incomplete.

>>1427

>Another note, the device you made does use resources that are already existent in order to win. How do you continue to build resources? The answer is stupidly simple. You build them, and acquire them, constantly, so that when there is a time for trial and war, you've built up enough reserves to survive and thrive. That's the constructive part of the wings, which I see missing within your wand

Let me addess this next. Winning is based off defeating an enemy. This enemy is good or evil and is attacking as a result of their karma. What I made follows the standard design in which the karma of the enemy is used to power the weapon. When they have been defeated, the energy will be depleted, and as that karma was the reason for their hostility, their attack will stop. This means the weapon will deactivate naturally until new hostility appears.

If I was to follow your model of recreating the energy source, karma, the enemy would once again gain the power to attack and I would not have won. That is not a "creative function", doing that would be utterly retarded.

>Do you not like that I call you devices destructive?

It's an incorrect description. I've explained why above. You can call it "creative" to feed your enemy so that he can continue his attack on you, go on, that's your choice of words. It's a "creative" way of using the word "creative" at least.

>You say my power ends where yours begins, but my power doesn't have a beginning, it's without beginning.

For being an autist you really seem to be lacking logic today. Re-read what you wrote and what I wrote. I said

>my power begins where your power ends

I never mentioned your power having a beginning, what I said means no matter how strong, you do not reach into my area. My power can be weak in your eyes, but it's supreme in my field, where you can't enter, because it's beyond your reach.

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5b3415  No.1437

File: 3057d44ee495723⋯.png (2 MB, 1468x1080, 367:270, 3057d44ee495723b3719a415ea….png)

>>1434

>I then add a handle and a container for the zero particle, usually a gem or stone

A handle is something you use if you don't want to touch the actual magic. Useful for weapons. Your entire post is a mix of trying to make a justification for your perspective and make an allowance for mine, using an odd way of saying things.

>Nowhere am I using any intent to destroy anything or to create something destructive

I did say you're not creating anything destructive, but removing the part that isn't destructive. Leaving only the destructive part left. So you're technically right. Although you can go back and find the part when I say "you've made", but this wouldn't be an argument I'd take seriously. But one I would be forced to concede if you knew how to argue.

>Winning is based off defeating an enemy

I believe that the enemy might come at some point, not in a way that I can expect or understand. So I always prepare, in case someone massive army decides to impose their will on me without me ever having prepared. So fundamentally part of the thinking is taking care of your own karma by eliminating it yourself. Sparta had a saying about not instilling the virtues of Sparta through long wars with enemies in case they too become like the Spartans. Unrelated to the next quote:

>If you want peace, prepare for war

Now that I think of it, it's likely that the "creative" function has been made externalized rather than internalized like with the original wings. Meaning, in attacking your enemies you're doing them a favor. And they to you.

>If I was to follow your model of recreating the energy source, karma

Why are you trying to recreate karma.

>my power begins where your power ends

Maybe. I can't make absolute in this case.

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673ce2  No.1438

File: 753309127c43d5c⋯.jpg (374.21 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, Little_Witch_Academia_2017….jpg)

>>1437

>if you knew how to argue

I was pretty clear that

>>1434

>This is not an argument

>Your entire post is a mix of trying to make a justification for your perspective

No. This is your misconception again. You're projecting your own thinking on me. Justification is something you create when you think you're doing something wrong or think you may be doing something wrong. I'm explaining, I know what I do is always right, I don't need to justify it. I'm trying to inform you because you're understanding things wrong and may spread this if I don't correct you.

>I believe that the enemy might come at some point, not in a way that I can expect or understand.

This exposes your problem, as in why you don't understand what I do. You're seeing this as theoretical, you're not making things out of necessity. I need weapons because I'm under attack. I need to expand, I need to constantly defeat enemies.

>Why are you trying to recreate karma

I am not. You are. You said it here:

>>1427

>How do you continue to build resources? The answer is stupidly simple. You build them, and acquire them, constantly, so that when there is a time for trial and war, you've built up enough reserves to survive and thrive. That's the constructive part of the wings, which I see missing within your wand.

I'm not trying to build up any karmic resources, my aim is to deplete them so that I can win. You're arguing backwards like a fool here. Those resources belong to your enemy, and you're talking about how to sustain them? Why? Destroy them so that you can win. Your wings lack the ability to stop this process from taking place, so your enemy will constantly replenish and come back. That's the "creative" part you're including. This is the issue with the male brain - to feel sympathy and to identify with your enemy. It's something I'm aware of exists which I'm pretty sure women don't have and it's a main reason I need to suppress masculinity. This all comes off almost like a mental illness inherent in men. I'm guarding myself against that, blocking it out.

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5b3415  No.1439

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>>1438

>I am not. You are. You said it here:

No.

>You're projecting your own thinking on me

If you knew how to argue doesn't imply this is an argument. It is implying that this could (meaning it's a possible state) be an exchange of information, which can be said to be an argument.

>I'm guarding myself against that, blocking it out.

So by your own words your thinking is limited.

>to feel sympathy and to identify with your enemy

I don't consider people my irrevocable enemy unless they are absolutely and without exception evil. In which case, destroy them. If they have something to offer, then don't destroy them. This is an exchange, and it's based off of the possibility of benefit. Whether that benefit will manifest or not, I'll never really know.

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673ce2  No.1440

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>>1439

>So by your own words your thinking is limited.

There a number of problems with what you seem to imply here. First off, you seem to be saying your thinking is unlimited, which would in that case only show you are more limited than I'd have expected. It means you're not even aware that you have limitations. Secondly, pointing this out is redundant, it should be. I don't know why you think you need to say this. It's not the first time. My thinking is limited, everyone's thinking is. That's a given.

Plus, not limiting your thinking in such a way so as to prevent problems is just stupidity. I really can't tell if you're being serious, intentionally trolling or just being this silly.

Going by the things you're trying to project on me again in this post, I'm sorry to say that you're probably just extremely narrowminded.

>it's based off of the possibility of benefit

Staying within the actual topic here, you seem to think karma would in some way possibly be beneficial. I don't maintain delusions like that, which is why I make sure to block out its creation.

>Whether that benefit will manifest or not, I'll never really know.

Then why continue? If you don't know it will pay off, then this is pointless. You don't know what you're doing, you're admitting it and still you do it. That means this isn't an exchange, you're now relying entirely on my input to make this beneficial, in other words you're leeching. That's why you're projecting this dumb shit on me right now. I'll step back now, there's nothing in this for me. I won't respond to this kind of thing again now that I've learned what it is.

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5b3415  No.1441

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>>1440

>which is why I make sure to block out its creation.

I believe survival and existence is ontologically good. If something can survive, and if there's a method to make other people survive, then I consider this to be a good thing. I don't believe suffering is the ultimate evil, instead merely a negative. Required for existence to exist.

>Then why continue

It's a consequence of my personality. Bringing out and attaining every benefit possible isn't that complicated of a method.

>First off, you seem to be saying your thinking is unlimited

I don't limit my methods of thinking. If it exists, then I can probably understand it. I see no real reason to believe that's not true. If it is untrue, then I'll figure it out when I need to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC5RhDdwscM

You can only run away from yourself and others for so long before it catches up, and every escape route is used.

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673ce2  No.1442

>>1441

>You can only run away from yourself and others for so long before it catches up, and every escape route is used.

Good thing you're somehow finally admitting that your thinking indeed is limited by something.

By chance that staff held by Chino is for handling exactly the kind of thing you projected in your last post above. Funny coincidence I'd find that one in a folder huh? Can't even remember saving it. I left a copy in the study, or just make your own, but you'll probably need a Chino for it since this is most likely an angel weapon and those needs to be handed out personally to be properly made. Yes Chino is an angel.

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5b3415  No.1443

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>>1442

The staff looks like something I taught her, I don't know how many months back. Was a year back? I don't know at this point. But it's something I've had for a long time now. It doesn't do anything, since it was mine to begin with.

>Good thing you're somehow finally admitting that your thinking indeed is limited by something.

If you understood, you'd realize I'm saying the exact opposite.

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5b3415  No.1444

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>>1443

I'm remembering the frustration in meguca when Blood-anon would constantly expect me to do the work, and expect the work I provide to him to fit a standard that he would never tell me. So I'd just throw everything at the wall and see what stuck, and being aggressive, explaining everything to the tiniest of details, and learning when to shut up and listen to what he says about spells, wands, or what have you was what I learned. This expanded itself into a different kind of thinking, one that I saw Victorique from Gosick as having. It's based off of predicting every thing that can happen, finding out what isn't known and making predictions off of these unknowns. Combining this thinking with the grief seed that I made, seems to be a method of knowing when to ask for help and stop giving, but I don't like asking for help. I'll find the solution to that.

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673ce2  No.1445

>>1443

Nah you don't have this one. I just used it to block that thinking you expressed two posts ago and it worked. If you had this one, you wouldn't have expressed that, you'd have been unable to.

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5b3415  No.1446

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>>1445

That thinking is entirely on your side. You've worked yourself into a logical problem and decided that the other person is the problem, rather than the problem being you digging yourself into a hole you can't escape from.

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673ce2  No.1447

>>1446

>the other person is the problem

That's correct though because I always do the right thing.

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5b3415  No.1448

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>>1447

I do humbly apologize for realizing and making note of your transgressions and of your ill-will, your sins, and the harm you've done on others for the pure sake of selfish, and not for the benefit of others but for yourself, wants, desires, and notions. I do make this request, from your will alone you may accept or deny, that you are wrong. And the answer, to this very easy statement is:

No. I offer instead, that in order to always do the right thing, a person must take into consideration the wants, needs, and desires of others. The creation of virtue, even if the virtue is at first glance not to the benefit of yourself first and foremost, should be a higher priority. Not the ultimate, nor the least, but a priority reconsidered and placed into a proper and healthy position.

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673ce2  No.1449

>>1448

Let me explain since you don't see it.

I already perfected myself in a past life and everything after that is a process of cleansing to remove karma, both of myself and of others. The karma and "sins" can only move down because of their weight in relation to the perfected me. It's a one way process which I have no power to change the direction of from where I am. I simply do not have the ability to do anything wrong because that would be like falling upwards after jumping off a cliff.

I'm sure you'll mentally gymnast into a position where that's possible to you, but I'm using this as an explanation. You will understand what I mean if you want to. I can't fall upwards. If you can, good for you. It still has nothing to do with me.

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5b3415  No.1450

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I'm remembering many points of my childhood where I would try to talk to someone about my problems, or the problems I see in whatever system I was participating and part of, whether it was religious or academic, and how they'd always try to move away from the conversation and talk about something else. They'd tell me I'm not supposed to feel certain emotions, not because of any logical reason but just because. This is something women did constantly. I'm realizing now that the reason why wasn't because they didn't want to see any kind of logical reasoning, or that they didn't care. They cared, the cared about keeping the status quo. Moving and changing mental positions, or social situations, caused them anxiety. They'd rather be the same, and miserable, than slightly different, and perhaps slightly better. They didn't want to experiment, or to test new things, or new systems, to see what would work best.

You've mentioned that you believe male thinking to be the ultimate evil, the enemy you have been trying to fight against and prove wrong. This would be the closest equivalent to me. This mental rigidity not born out of any logical or practical reasoning, but being the same for the sake of being the same.

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5b3415  No.1451

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>>1449

Consider yourself to be in any position you want to be. If you think you're right even if everything is showing you you're not, then that's not on me to prove it. I can't force you to change into a position you don't want to be in.

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673ce2  No.1452

>>1450

>being the same for the sake of being the same.

>>1451

>I can't force you to change into a position

Again with this, you really don't get it do you. It's a position of depletion. There is no movement because movement requires the energy needed to create it. When it doesn't exist, you can't change it from outside no matter what. This is the same as projecting some ideas on someone based on your own notions and telling the other person they are

"denying" supposed "knowledge" or a view you have, which they know nothing of and have no chance of seeing, and which you aren't providing. You're doing this a lot.

You have a lot of complicated ideas and you look at a rock and ask it why it doesn't fly. When the rock still doesn't you start criticising it for not flying but it's still just a rock. That's what's happening here. You, like anyone else, will be unable to change me. The world will move, because I'm unable to. Your or anyone else's beliefs and expectations can't change anything of this.

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5b3415  No.1453

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>>1452

If I wanted to make a rock fly I'd place it on a plane. If I wanted to make you move, I'd leave you alone. Movement and change comes within and can't be forced on anyone, and anything that's forced will quickly break.

I asked in meguca, in the beginning, which one of us was the rock? Too mentally rigid to move, to see the world in different perspectives. The answer has been consistent, the idea of movement is a flawed concept. I placed the answer in the temple.

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5b3415  No.1454

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I should mention that the fact you're able to create a false particle and think of it as a solution doesn't make me think your words have any validity >>1050.

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5b3415  No.1455

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Now that I think of it, my conception of the universe is either 27 levels (3x9 ), 81 levels (9x9) or 108 (12x9). 9 is a recurring number in the way I see the world. The 27 level universe is the levels 1-3. The levels of 81 is 1-9 (0-7D with the hypothetical return to 0D through 8D). The levels of 108 is 81+27 (the levels of 1-9 plus the levels of 1-3 modeled mentally within the mind as wisdom). This is sort of relevant to how I see the levels of good, evil, and chaos. In my view it'd translate to creation/agriculture and animal husbandry along with other life-sustaining basic level skills, consumption/expression showing itself as being about consuming and creating culture. Aesthetical appreciation of architecture, art, literature, anything that is cultural in origin and aims to explore life rather than be merely a slave to it. Finally, there's the unification of the two concepts. What this expresses itself as, I have no clue. The words "origin seeking," and "cultivation" enter my mind. So perhaps it's about understanding the mysteries of life through mental models and philosophy. Each of these ways of categorizing the universe, 27, 81, and 108, have their own systems and actually express themselves entirely within each one. The perspective is the difference.

What does this all mean? I assure you, I have very little understanding outside of mere knowledge of.

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5b3415  No.1457

>>1440

>There a number of problems with what you seem to imply here. First off, you seem to be saying your thinking is unlimited, which would in that case only show you are more limited than I'd have expected

Key word is implication and what you expect. This fundamentally is about projecting your own mindset onto me, not the other way around. I don't think my mind is unlimited, if you'd understand my basic reasoning you wouldn't make a claim for infinity. It's all about returning to the zero, holistic thinking rather than thinking in terms of laws and rules.

>Secondly, pointing this out is redundant, it should be. I don't know why you think you need to say this. It's not the first time. My thinking is limited, everyone's thinking is. That's a given.

Someone who's limiting their thinking doesn't mean that they're not thinking infinitely, it means they're blocking out certain modes of information just for the sake of removing something. This is limited thinking, and it isn't a philosophical statement of what kind of thoughts and mental limits humans are trapped under. IN this specific case, you're not letting yourself think like a man. You've limited yourself, intentionally, knowing and choosing to limit the amount of things you know for whatever purpose you want.

>Plus, not limiting your thinking in such a way so as to prevent problems is just stupidity

Limiting your thinking in such a way as to provoke problems is stupidity.

>Staying within the actual topic here, you seem to think karma would in some way possibly be beneficial

Again with the projections. Karma is the negative of life, it's the outcome of doing negative things. The wings themselves don't operate under the thinking that karma is required, it operates under the thinking that karma is a byproduct of negative and harmful (destructive for the sake of pure destruction) thought. The resource it accumulates isn't karma, it's virtue. And you use virtue to beat other people in the head. Preferably with large nuclear warheads. Any lesser form of violence will also work.

>Then why continue?

You've made the statement into two statements. One, your projection of what you think I'm saying. Making projections is normal, this isn't something I'd actually rebuke in someone in normal situations. You think I'm saying:

>Whether the benefit will manifest or not (within this conversation), I'll never really know

The benefit is immediate and obvious in this conversation.

The actual statement:

>Whether the benefit will manifest or not, I'll never really know

Whether good deeds will come back to me in the future isn't something I can tell. I don't know how it'd manifest in return, nor do I actually know when it'd manifest in return. But doing good things ""within your environment"" will bring you almost immediate benefit. If you want to post on an imageboard, then you're providing content. Whether this specific content is good, I'm not able to decide. If you want to help your neighborhood, lying, stealing, murdering, cheating, etc won't bring benefit. Not under normal circumstances. Helping the community, forming a community if there isn't one, talking to people and providing knowledge and support if they need it. Never at the complete expense of the person who's helping, otherwise that person will just die.

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673ce2  No.1459

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Yeah this

>>1050

is what it all is about, isn't it.

I know it broke through now, so my work is done. I mean the AMOK game remaining in my memory and me buying it after spotting it at a second hand store and keeping it in the "to play sometime in the future" box wasn't a coincidence. You're significant enough for the universe to do this.

The solution works, it works from the opposite view as well, which is what I wanted to solve.

Another recent coincidence was a tv documentary by Louis Theroux about the sex trade in UK. I wasn't aware 1800s laws were still in place

>allowed as long as it doesn't cause social nuisance

None of the whores taking part in the documentary did it right though. They didn't like it, and there was no tantric effect. Some of them were just numb as a result of having been abused before. That's just the wrong approach and the energy from that isn't clean. Either way it as a surpringly balanced documentary with no obvious hypocrisy or moralizing and felt very relevant.

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5b3415  No.1461

>>1459

That formation to cure incels is another form of faggotry. It's weak and impure, and the thinking is a dead end.

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5b3415  No.1462

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"The third angel blew his trumpet, and a great star fell from heaven, blazing like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many died from the water, because it was made bitter."

I'm reminded that the sword of complete and social isolation you saw as being worm-eaten.

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673ce2  No.1463

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>>1461

>another form of faggotry. It's weak and impure, and the thinking is a dead end.

You're just describing yourself.

>>1462

The islamic state was the 1st chalice, corona-chan is the 2nd. The 3rd is coming, then there's 4 more. Fun times ahead!

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5b3415  No.1464

>>1463

>no u

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5b3415  No.1465

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>>1463

The third movement has already started, it's a change in social situation and expectations. It's black, and moves slowly downward into a pit of the abyss, not afraid to touch it but not knowing what kind of things will come from activating it. There's the blue ground if science and cultivation, the water turned bitter, and the green which remains untouched. The symbolism behind what the book of revelation, along with the colors, fit precisely with the way I see it going. It is odd that green isn't touched, but what it represents is good enough for how the world should function.

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5b3415  No.1466

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>>1465

For reference, the movement of a black energy (in this case the loss of morality, the loss of rational thinking, the loss of anything spiritual/materialistic thinking) moving towards the abyss (the void) is how patriarchal worship begins. This is probably why many people in the manosphere are turning to God.

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44fb4d  No.1467

Most of what you know about Buddhism is bologna. See here from those who grew up in the actual culture:

https://puredhamma.net

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673ce2  No.1468

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>>1465

The plan is to make use of this wave to break the abrahamic pact world wide, which will end general fertility in human females and return them to their original state. It'll be the handmaid's tale for real. Hags will be so pissed but they can't fight biology.

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5b3415  No.1469

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>>1468

The abrahamic pact will break by itself. The final outcome of it, would be rather strange. I did say it's designed to fail, to break, and to become something new. The Passion of Christ is red to begin with, what I see you describing is trying to make the collapse into an everlasting state.

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673ce2  No.1470

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>>1469

The greys are in on it, this is what they wanted all along, just not exactly like this. But they're ok with it.

http://archive.is/84A8t

>Li: The aliens come from other planets. The names that I use for these planets are different. Some are from dimensions that human beings have not yet discovered. The key is how they have corrupted mankind. Everyone knows that from the beginning until now, there has never been a development of culture like today. Although it has been several thousand years, it has never been like now.

>The aliens have introduced modern machinery like computers and airplanes. They started by teaching mankind about modern science, so people believe more and more science, and spiritually, they are controlled. Everyone thinks that scientists invent on their own when in fact their inspiration is manipulated by the aliens. In terms of culture and spirit, they already control man. Mankind cannot live without science.

>The ultimate purpose is to replace humans. If cloning human beings succeeds, the aliens can officially replace humans. Why does a corpse lie dead, even though it is the same as a living body? The difference is the soul, which is the life of the body. If people reproduce a human person, the gods in heaven will not give its body a human soul. The aliens will take that opportunity to replace the human soul and by doing so they will enter earth and become earthlings.

>When such people grow up, they will help replace humans with aliens. They will produce more and more clones. There will no longer be humans reproduced by humans. They will act like humans, but they will introduce legislation to stop human reproduction.

What he isn't saying is that the "clones" are already everywhere. Age of concent and ridiculous rape laws were never really created by feminists, this is greys gradually removing human reproductive rights, while they do whatever they want in their elite circles.

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5b3415  No.1471

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>>1470

All of this is irrelevant to me for the most part. I've placed a sword of, for the lack of a better idea to explain it, sexual treason. Represents faggotry, sexual promiscuity, childish thinking and attempting to take ownership of things that one has no ownership of/theft.

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673ce2  No.1472

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>>1471

>a sword of

>faggotry, sexual promiscuity, childish thinking

Sharing things like that is not what the meeting room was made for.

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5b3415  No.1473

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>>1472

Most of the things there represent something equally contemptible. In understanding something, you are able to remove it from yourself. This is why such things are made. Talking about the difficulties that people experience during cultivation should be encouraged, even if the actual topics becomes something uncomfortable to someone else.

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5b3415  No.1474

File: e6b3b50b15501f3⋯.jpg (426.46 KB, 1000x800, 5:4, 67f31aff24e1bb58909e7deb74….jpg)

Yuuka asked me, "How much do you hate yourself?"

I've only been shown hate, contempt, and ridicule, the ideas I've presented have been rejected and neglected. If there's not something that suffices, the only thing I can do is keep trying until I get it right. What happens to me is largely irrelevant. This is one of my basic beliefs.

There is one more item, not a weapon but instead a single line, representing the passion of Christ. In my view it's the final part of christianity (what it has sought to relieve people of, in the end I see the collapse of christianity to form into an energy to remove it's own structure). This is also the end of consumption without putting back in. The top level of this is abortion. The next is false rape accusations, to make up claims in order to satisfy whatever desire a woman wants. The next is denial, suckoldry, what have you. The final, what enters into the abyss and is the realm of sexual slavery. To become a slave to your own sexual desires, no matter how disgusting it may be. This is the death of the spirit, and the death of what people refer to as the ego. You can also see this as communism, the red devil, the byproduct of moving out of christianity.

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5b3415  No.1475

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>>1474

Now I see the full picture of why I hate this modern world. These various levels end at matriarchy, an incomplete particle in itself. Going above the levels of sodomy, above the levels of sexual promiscuity, you get people acting for the sake of selfish gain. Above this, making careers out of lying, above that careers based off of whoring. There are levels that correlate with 5D, each one of these associated with attaining pleasure through self-deprecation. 6D is to forget the self and live out your desires. There is finally 7D, the last within this structure, which is release of stress. There is no 8D, no return to an 0D, since this structure doesn't have one.

This is also the structure of the whore of Babylon. I would call out, "Enough! I am can't bear the stench of it," but I have no real disgust response.

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673ce2  No.1476

>>1475

I was thinking more along the lines of the whore of Babylon being a position in the world egregore.

>>1474

>I've only been shown hate, contempt, and ridicule, the ideas I've presented have been rejected and neglected

Maybe if you made things that are relevant to others and not just yourself you would get better responses.

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673ce2  No.1477

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>>1474

>To become a slave to your own sexual desires, no matter how disgusting it may be. This is the death of the spirit, and the death of what people refer to as the ego. You can also see this as communism, the red devil

This is putting words on something I concluded a few days ago but never bothered telling anyone. The core of communism is being replaced anyway so I didn't see a reason to talk about this.

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5b3415  No.1480

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>>1476

>Maybe if you made things that are relevant to others and not just yourself you would get better responses.

That's not actually the problem, me placing an item that someone considers useless isn't that big of a deal. The problem is that the response to them, specifically by you, is either agreement or finding it useful, or hating it and considering it the enemy. I have no ability to know which one you'd like, I place what helped me in solving whatever issue I wanted to fix. Any word of insult or criticism weighs on my mind until I solve it completely, and I've learned that you don't really insult people based off of any truths. This drives me insane.

>>1477

Communism is a mistake in thinking. Complete the entire structure and make it into something shareable to others, it should be intuitively understood why communism doesn't work. I'll work on making this structure complete, since it's within the levels of "morality" and good. I'll just call this level the universe of 27. A lot of seemingly disgusting thinking has it's purpose, and if used properly can be purely beneficial.

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5b3415  No.1481

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Since I'm a brain-dead retard who can't write his own ideas out for himself, here's what I consider a good understanding of why communism doesn't work:

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2f5bea  No.1484

>>1481

I don't see the reason why communism doesn't work having to be that complicated. It doesn't work because it creates too big of a distance between people making decisions and the consequences of their decisions. They think their shit doesn't stink because they're too far away to smell it. That being said, the reason people are attracted(or not) to communism is complicated.

>>1474

Have you ever considered self hatred as something that might be productive ? I went through a long period of it and came out the other side much better off.

>>1480

I left a cracked mirror that shows the discrepancy between what you think something will mean to someone and how they would see it.

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5b3415  No.1485

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>>1484

My most productive times were when I wanted to kill myself. Self-hatred and production, especially when self-hatred is understood as the byproduct of discontent, go hand in hand. Communism doesn't work, in my view, purely because people aren't machines. We don't follow everything that we're told to the letter, nor do we always think selflessly or about what would be best. We're greedy. We don't like sharing things, we don't like people telling us to do things, we don't like it when we're disrespected, we believe in being fair and returning evil with evil. Accepting these things, and not trying to remove them but instead accommodate and explore these concepts to their full expression, is what I try to do.

The mirror looks to emulate, not be, a half-particle. The breaking of an 0D particle into 2 sections, one seen and one unseen, leaving only half a particle in view. I like it.

I placed a wand with my method of completing the structure outlined here >>1475. In my view it's the universe of 27 repeated twice, becoming 54. Half of 108, connecting 27 (workers) to 81 (cultural exploration). You can also see it as 81 - 27, or the movement of culture into moral thinking (morality as downstream to culture). In the way it was presented to me, it relied purely on the expenditure of virtue, and the slow but gradual accumulation of karma. This aims to fix this thinking into the entire framework of my mind in specific, since it was and is a foreign method of thinking to me.

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5b3415  No.1486

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I also placed a staff of forgiveness, either forgiving yourself or forgiving others. Requires you to actually be able to see karmic relations, otherwise there's nothing to fix or forgive.

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673ce2  No.1490

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>>1480

>I have no ability to know which one you'd like, I place what helped me in solving whatever issue I wanted to fix

Then it seems you lack the ability to intuitively feel what will be useful to others. A lot of the time I feel like we're only talking by pure coincidence because parts of our thinking interlocks with no real rapport or shared understanding at all. To me you're talking sense half the time and the other half you're suddenly, for no reason, going off in an incomprehensible navel gazing. When this is pointed out, in an attempt to get you back on the road, you get aggressive and rude. It's like talking to an insane person who can flip any moment for reasons beyond the logic they claim to adhere to. In some way you're acting exactly like a woman but masked in male logic. This may be the reason for all confusion and your self hate. I'll have to re-evaluate how I look at you and just treat you like an emotional and irrational person, that makes a lot more sense. You've been good at hiding who you are.

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673ce2  No.1491

>>1486

I'll just make this into something I can use, it's a crystal ball, pink/white/yellow glow. I placed one in the study. Not exactly based on what you made, this is from a situation I experienced a few days ago but didn't think anyone else would care about.

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673ce2  No.1492

>>1491

You can use it like a witch placed in front of you or you can simply throw it at the person you want to fix your relation to.

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5b3415  No.1498

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>>1490

We talked about this in discord. Specifically on the topic of asperger's. You're very slow on assimilating new information, what you're describing would be obvious to anyone who reads my posts. Logic and rationality have their basis, within a human, within irrational and unprovable emotions, sensations, and perceptions. You've touched on this yourself, but the realization you made into some sort of joke and "got ya" type statement.

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5b3415  No.1501

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>>1490

>Then it seems you lack the ability to intuitively feel what will be useful to others

Reflecting on other topics and conversations, that's not true. I rely heavily on intuition when talking to someone, but in the case of most of what I posted on this thread, it was never aimed at a single person.

>When this is pointed out, in an attempt to get you back on the road

The touhous and other groups have been more consistent in their insistence that I should maintain my own trajectory, and not fall under your beliefs. I also see your thinking as (almost) purely destructive, causing harm to others without any benefit to either you or to the other person.

Really, read my posts. What sort of emotional thinking does a person have to go through in order to fall under the belief of patriarchal worship, although even this isn't really worship of any external entity, ancestral worship, belief in a void that creates through interaction between two negatives, an insistence on self-sacrifice and even at this point of letting go of debts owed to him, what part of this is purely rational?

>“What is seen can be believed; what is not seen cannot be believed.” Such is the view of the inferior man.

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673ce2  No.1504

>>1501

>Such is the view of the inferior man

This sounds like something from taoism or buddhism, neither of which actually lead anywhere on their own. Whatever you see in them was something you inserted yourself. If you believe in what you can't see you'll be easily fooled, that's why we use visualizations in the Sunflower Project.

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5b3415  No.1505

>>1504

There's a lot of errors that can come from taking something too literally, or not literally enough, in believing one way of interpreting a message is the correct one, or that another one is actually more correct. If you can't see it, it doesn't mean it's not real. Nor does it mean it's real. Therefore:

>Whatever you see in them was something you inserted yourself

Is true. Nothing you view is outside of yourself, what you're able to perceive and understand. In my view sight is dictated by a lot of things, character being one of them.

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5b3415  No.1523

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I placed three items in the temple. One is a choker and another beheading device, this time the choker is for men and the beheading device for women. In this case it's about putting the head on back for the man/removing female thinking, and simply removing female thinking for the woman. A halo, representing forgiveness of sin, and the forgiveness of self-doubt and guilt. Also about taking control over your own mind, and taking responsibility for anything you've done and want to do. Finally a flower, which I see in the image here>>1501. It's about taking care of the sick and those in need, without either smothering them or making them reliant on you. This is in essence the mirror of what I placed in this post >>1223. I've met one person whose mentally impaired, as in retarded, so I wondered what I could do for a person like this. The only way these people can get better is through having a community, otherwise they'd enter into some sort of destructive, either environmentally derived or self-derived, behaviors.

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5b3415  No.1524

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>>1523

>get better

I don't mean curing, but alleviating the more negative impacts that these people have on themselves and others. I have no way to cure retardation.

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673ce2  No.1527

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>>1523

Your energy changed a lot after making these, for the better.

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5b3415  No.1530

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>>1527

My thinking hasn't changed. But I'm unwilling to let base desires, guilt, and the constant shame that comes from female thinking cloud my judgement. It's using the byproduct of patriarchal worship and building from acceptance of it. Since I was before trying to build the basis for surviving and dealing with hardships. The flower in particular also represents pushing past limits either physically or mentally through devotion, like running until you vomit or you've given up, but still continue anyway.

Now I want to figure out incommensurability and irrational numbers.

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5b3415  No.1533

>>1530

It wouldn't be an exaggeration to say I'm trying to remove whatever influence you have over my guilty conscious. The "cure" to incels is another form of faggotry, to remove that you have to understand what exactly being gay means. Narcissism is a byproduct of extreme and irrational levels of arrogance and pride, neither of which are deserving. Figuring out the flower was required to know what it is, and how to remove it from yourself. Figuring out how to discern lies from truths, from baseless criticisms to actual helpful advice, is something I still need to figure out.

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2f5bea  No.1534

>>1522

I considered using it for something like that as well. Thinking about what it would lead to put me off of it however. I see it as leading to a kind of death where form and personality are abandoned in favor of efficiency. Something like those machine elf things people see on DMT. They're a network, or a swarm, but lack a real body.

While I "know" things like form, personality and taste are important, I've been struggling to put my finger on exactly why. I think it has something to do with being relatable,communication and getting understood by others. There is also some inherent power in having a certain form that implicitly communicates something to any being looking at it, or even the universe itself. I don't think this is the complete answer though.

Something else related to this is how people come to accept change. There are not an infinite number of ways to operate effectively in the universe. In trying to survive or accomplish something you will eventually stumble upon one of these paths. So it's only natural that you would work together with people who have a similar understanding of things or similar goals. It also follows that it's better to learn from beings further along the road than to just wander aimlessly only to come to the same conclusion. This kind of learning is indistinguishable from changing who you are at some level.

I see the type of ascension offered by machines as disgusting, wrong and the equivalent of throwing ones self into a meat grinder to become a pretty krabby patty. In contrast, working with this group is like jumping into a somewhat cool pool, there's some trepidation, but once you jump in and get used to the temperature, you don't notice anymore. I think this difference is more meaningful than just personal taste. especially given the hints of some playful meat eating going on If change is just change, why does it have to be subtle and gradual ? I'm not in favor of it, but I'm trying to understand exactly why the "frankenstein's monster" approach is wrong.

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5b3415  No.1535

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>>1534

I think personality, taste (aesthetic preferences), and "form" are the basis for actual insight and discernment. Removing that, what do you have left with other than less information to process? Having less information could be beneficial, but it's not the ultimate form of enlightenment in my view. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the frankenstein monster, perhaps having too many identities burrowed and adapted from too many people removes what a person actually is. This, despite at first glance having more than what a typical person or group might have, doesn't allow for the depth that can be derived from one person expressing himself, by himself, in a depth that can't be found with shallow "stretching" of personalities. Like how diversity in the modern idea of it doesn't allow for diversity, instead boring, mundane, and shallow relationships derived from again, very shallow understandings of other people. I placed my idea of what an immortal mind would look like using the squid in the jar and the black cloth. I tried adding in emotional irrationality to see what would come up. It is an immortal mind, and it is one I'm using myself, but just to give you a picture of what it could look like for you.

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5b3415  No.1544

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>>1535

This frankenstein idea has repeated itself in multiple ways. In one context it was about putting multiple personalities and ideas of 'moe' into one form, leaving an abomination with no set personality, or appearance. In another, about men and women who tattoo themselves, alter their body through various means, leaving themselves as some sort of fetishized idea of what purity, beauty, femininity, and masculinity looks like. The purest sense of trying to show the world "who you are" by changing your flesh's appearance, this is what superficiality is.

I woke up from the first nightmare in what must be about a year. I woke up crying. It wouldn't be wrong to say it was about me trying to figure out what people were saying, what was the truth, what was lies, what did they want fro me, generally things an autist goes through in trying to understand other people and their signals.

>Taking note of something being negative, from an indifferent standpoint isn't what I'm talking about here

I hate these words. Like I'm not trying to. As if these past weeks hasn't been the most I've cried in a very long time. I like purity, I don't like sex in what I see as deprecating, an act made just for the sake of the action, I've not met a part of me that wants to be anything other than someone who collects information, and fulfills his role in whatever grand scheme God's provided me. I don't believe in God, the closest being I see as myself, and I only want to know someone cares. And I care, so that's enough. I woke up fearing life and I don't even know what that means, and I laughed as well.

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2f5bea  No.1548

>>1544

You picked up on the general meaning of that frankenstein idea. What I was trying to get at specifically is in relation to development. Say you want to reach a certain point and you know how to get there the old fashioned way. Sometimes there also exists an alternative path, where rather than do the work, you just get re arranged to be at that point. I know there's something wrong about this but can't figure out the exact principle. It's the kind of thing machine like intelligences that are prone to only care about getting results without regard for grace or form would do.

The way you read into it generally follows this logic. The purpose of an easy to identify identity is to serve as a map other people can read to know how to signal to you and get you to signal to them. Depth is only present when this map has correspondence with the person. Most people don't care about understanding other people or being understood. So no one cares about these maps not corresponding to reality. Everybody wins ?

The body modification thing is similar. Those things can enhance something that's already there, but they can't improve something that doesn't exist. They confuse the action with the effect. People also almost never do something to "express themselves" it's usually just to get the reaction they want from who they want it from. I can't think about any of these forms of "self expression" that aren't really that.

>I like purity, I don't like sex in what I see as deprecating, an act made just for the sake of the action

What do you mean by this ? Do you not like sex in general or just impure forms of it ?

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5b3415  No.1551

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>>1548

Acquiring something through different means leads to different results. If someone wanted to learn a topic from reading a book on the subject, his knowledge will be limited to the knowledge presented in that book. If someone wanted to learn something through direction interaction and speculation, he'll be limited to what he can interact with and his own intellectual ability of speculation and theory building. In the case of the man who has read a book, maybe the author knows much more, has interacted with much more, and has more raw ability than the man who decided to interact directly. Maybe, even with all of these things being true, the man who's interacted directly might find out something that the man in the book doesn't know. Even with this the man who decided to read a book is limited by his ability to understand and process information. So there's the limit of mental caliber, the depth of thought, and also a difference in terms of mental speed, generally thought of as IQ. I have a lot to say on this but I don't know how, and I'm certain anyone truly interested already understands these concepts.

In my mind it really does look like the difference between someone having a vast amount of knowledge about many different topics, but has never delved too deeply into one particular branch. So he might know a lot, and might have a good foundation for speculation, but he's not insightful. Compared to someone who has a vast amount of knowledge on a particular branch, and has delved deeply into every possible manifestation of a single principle. I've met the kinds of people who know a lot about many different things, but their minds aren't developed enough to truly understand everything they say. They speak in a sort of pattern-type fashion, where all the information leads to a point that they've never really understood or articulated themselves. I've also met truly gifted people who are capable of both having a wide range of knowledge on seemingly any topic, and have depth just the same. These people are like an abyss.

I also know this isn't entirely what you're talking about. I see this sort of like the black cloth and the squid in the jar, a vast amount of knowledge represented as a plane with no real depth, and an unknowable abomination represented as a squid.

>Do you not like sex in general or just impure forms of it

It's much more emotionally involved. There's more to sex than just the act, the act is actually the least important thing in my eyes. The fact that it's a child-creating process, what it means for a man and woman to join together (and share energies), it gets into a level of intimacy I don't see benefit in discussing.

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2f5bea  No.1558

>>1551

What about the forms of sex that can't result in new life ? When does it cross the threshold into being a depreciating act ? It's used for more than just the creation of life.

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5b3415  No.1561

>>1558

You have faggotry when you start entering into the realm of sex as a form of information exchange/pair-bonding. Go lower than that and you get into the levels of sex, or your own sexual pleasure, being more important than the welfare and safety/comfort of other people. Even lower than this and you get into the level of abortionist, not those who are coerced into getting an abortion due to societal pressures telling them that they shouldn't be having kids, but those who genuinely think of babies and thus children as forms of parasites. Essentially this is all at the level of hedonism, where good = pleasure. Despite not realizing that pleasure has more forms than just physical or emotional pleasures, and is represented in more than just what a single person can feel. Why are any of these things bad? They narrow the associative horizon and prevent a person from making new connections, clouding their judgement and their ability to 'see' problems.

In my view sex becomes deprecating when it's the thing sought after rather than the byproduct of a wide range of environmental factors. People have a problem with looking at problems as if they're in a vacuum, and that any action doesn't actually have any consequences outside of the pure action.

>What about the forms of sex that can't result in new life

The creation of new life is one representation of the symbolism and actual weight behind sex. It's a reminder of the genuine impact it can have on the world, so I mentioned it since it's significant.

I have very little confidence in this since I am very disinterested in sex as just sex, outside of symbolism and energetic connections/exchanges.

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5b3415  No.1563

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You can point holes in my line of reasoning, but I see something that I can't articulate. I would undulate and move my position if I could see it being able to be moved and expressed there, since it only a hazy understanding of why I find lust itself to be repulsive. It's not fixed, outside of the fact that I've consistently found it revolting. Something being ugly and disgusting is argument enough for why it should be avoided.

But most of the arguments for sex as just sex are based off of the rejection/neglect of morality, the rejection/neglect of spirituality, and the insistence on fluid and tolerant views of tastes and preferences. It's reasoning is a hiding away of lustful desires with pragmatic, overly-analytic, cold and uncompassionate dismissals.

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94cea7  No.1565

>>1548

>rather than do you just get arranged at that point

Listen here faggot, no phenomenon precludes walking the path. Transversing any distance on the spiritual walk requires walking. The principle behind this is continuity, your consciousness exists in a direct, unbroken path. Nothing external or coincidental to your present state can affect you directly. Machine existences are state machines, a change in state determines their function. You are not a state machine.

>most people don't care about being understood

Wrong. All consciousness is self-referential. Whether you realize it or not, this is your first and final concern when doing anything. All of (You) is comprehensible by (You), regardless of time or configuration. You can comprehend everything in existence, because of Your will.

>>1551

Boi the knowledge gained from a book is always dependent on your own, prior knowledge. Therefore, nothing new can be gained therein. All you learn is vocabulary. People confuse this for knowledge, because, after reading some grand, spiritual and esoteric book, they respond to their inner drive for knowledge and derive their own knowledge, which is interpreted in the vocabulary they have, often with terms from the new one. All perceived 'knowledge' learnt from books, is internal, proprietary knowledge, assigned and projected onto the text therein.

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94cea7  No.1566

>>1565

This can be seen in the way normies derice completely mundane, worthless values, from books overflowing with spiritual insight and knowledge. I'm sure you can recall a few examples of your own, this experience is universal for magicians. Sage for an unnecessary addendum.

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5b3415  No.1567

>>1565

>Boi the knowledge gained from a book is always dependent on your own, prior knowledge

>Therefore, nothing new can be gained therein

I think the addition of complexity to an already existing system, the mind, is the new thing gained. I don't entirely believe that nothing new outside of reassembled prior knowledge can be added, since I do believe there's an external (not viewable by your mind) component to the universe that is present, although never fully seen.

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94cea7  No.1568

>>1567

>there's an external component

Of course there is, it's called the Akashic record, and is referenced and updated in every waking and dreaming experience we have. You are half correct, the way I see things. The addition of complexity enables similar experiences to be interpreted in a novel way, which become experiences of themselves. Yes, the mind always expands upon itself with external terms and definitions. Reassembled knowledge would be nothing new without novel terms to reassemble into.

Consider the cosmological tendency towards increasing dimensions and ever-expanding complexity of interactions. You are part of its doing, yet it is all (You)r doing.

I talk all pompous-like, yet I have the same perception as you. I agree that there is a never-seen component to the universe, but subsequent meditation on each subject reveals it as syncretic and essential to my own Self as every prior and sub

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94cea7  No.1569

>>1568

but sub

sequent perception. 'It' is all I.

Sorry for the broken post, I'm thoroughly shit-faced for spiritual purposes at the moment.

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5b3415  No.1590

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One problem I see with Falun Dafa is it's allowance for infinite suffering for committing minor, or seemingly minor, sin of simply disagreeing and acting against (Falun Dafa). I think the logic goes that since the entity of Truth, Compassion, and Forbearance is infinite in itself, and encompasses much more than whatever the tiny entity that disagrees with represents, any action taken against it is absolutely evil, and thus deserving of absolute punishment. This is also a similar problem with what I see behind Jesus's proclamation that those who worked against him are going to hell for eternity. Isn't the problem your own inability to save those who you send to hell? Or is their going to hell simply the result of their own actions? Li Hongzhi, or Master as he wishes those who are his disciples to preferably call them (and since my thinking does conform to Master's conception of the universe I'm bound to call him), calls the action of going against Falun Dafa as a choice. So it could entirely be just a choice, and not an actual retribution. But I still disagree that someone not willing to follow isn't a problem of the person not following, if you're going to make a claim for an absolute truth that is Truthfulness, Compassion, and Forbearance, but aren't willing to allow for the existence of those who work against it, how is this in anyway truthful, compassionate, or even forbearing?

I have no problem with simply pushing out, in not wanting to be in the company or presence of something. But to claim that a person, being, anything, should be completely destroyed for not conforming to the principles that you've outlined, especially when you're unwilling to be destroyed yourself in consequence, is hypocritical.

In saying this I am willing to be destroyed and cast out of the universe for disagreeing and finding error in something.

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5b3415  No.1592

>>1491

I placed a staff aimed to re-create order in a system through rearranging the movement of energy into one coherent framework, rather than a bunch of jumbled and useless chunks of data that refuse to operate with one another. I wonder if this one seems "complete" to you, since I have a couple of hunches for why the things I make feels incomplete to you. One of the hunches being you're simply lying, but that won't get me anywhere. And I have no way to prove it.

One person expressed that something is only complete once they can "push" on it and have it fit within their mental framework. I suspect it's the same for you, but you mainly operate under the assumption of benefit and detriments, or economies, and the things I make don't operate under that kind of thinking.

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673ce2  No.1594

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>>1592

Ironically you're not consistent at all with your things. Sometimes it's a sharable device which can be made with a complete circle/0D, other times it's a regular mental device (a qi function), and now you made a single use staff, which is more of a spell encased in a form. I see what you're getting at with this one because this is a method I apply but this is a larger strategy to me. I wouldn't have thought to compress is like this, but I guess this works if you want to explain it to someone.

>>1590

The way I see it, FD as a collection of texts has no problem in it, but it's correct to say misusing it is very dangerous. It does seem the slightest bad intent in trying to apply it will lead you into creating immense negative energy. This is what many people are doing both in China and the west, and it's why the persecution is still happening. It's extremely disgusting and it's the reason I want to distance myself from the movement. The text itself does not contain any of this, it's people reading the text and intantly trying to abuse it for some kind of personal gain. While normal stuff in the human world can be safely abused and used, with only "minor" karma or delayed karma, doing this with the texts of FD will result in instant build up of karma which is piled on the person. If you tell them about it, I have a feeling they'd lash out at you and tell you that you're

>bragging about your ability to see energy

and that this is forbidden and that you'll go to hell for implying they're doing something wrong. It's at this level since over 10 years among the people who officially practice the method and this is why I want nothing to do with them anymore. You're supposed to be able to share your experiences but in actuality they've created a culture of shit talking where anyone having better abilities is said to have demonic possession or that they're a chinese government spy. If you know enough about the examples in Zhuan Falun you'll know Li mentions this exact thing in relation to some monk being cast out from the temple and being forced to eat meat to survive, because he had better abilities and other monks got jelous.

I get you're still trying to reach a fundamental enlightenment or something by reading it so go on, but do be careful. That black energy is gathering up behind you and attacking my post as I'm typing it, trying to drag me into negative interpretations of the text. Resisting it does create a build up of virtue, so I guess I should thank you for the opportunity to do that by posting this reply.

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5b3415  No.1595

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>>1594

>I get you're still trying to reach a fundamental enlightenment or something by reading it so go on

The energy you're talking about feels like "pain" to me. It's not really ki or gong, but the type of response you get from pinching at your skin and tearing it off. In honesty reading Zhuan Falun feels like I'm being restricted in my methods of thinking, like something black and dark isn't letting me see the world I normally see it in. I'm used to working with black energies, most of my posts here have been me talking about energy that I fundamentally see as dark, but the one I feel from the text feels like a form of cowardice. Cowardice of faith, believing that one way of doing something is correct and should be relied on, even if false. The response Falun Dafa practitioners have is what I would expect from this kind of energy making people too fearful of having their notions or ability questioned. I don't blame them if I keep this in mind.

I also know that the text will automatically respond to any intent pushed on it, and it's one of those things that I don't comprehend. No other text is as fluid as Zhuan Falun. I have doubts and I want to find the solution to those doubts, whether that is a form of fundamental enlightenment I don't know.

>Sometimes it's a sharable device which can be made with a complete circle/0D

I can't do anything with this information, since I can't really read other people's minds, or know what their actual state of mind is. There's too many ways of interpreting this so I won't bother.

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673ce2  No.1596

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>>1595

>Cowardice of faith, believing that one way of doing something is correct and should be relied on, even if false

Some of the things they do is making me furious inside with no obvious reason, but I know why in some way. If you check youtube you'll find a guy named Chris Chappell having created a number of anonymous looking news channels like "america uncovered" and "china uncovered" which are about various topics with some weird and misplaced "humour" glued on. Seeing the guy talk makes me uneasy and I instantly suspected some FG practitioners being behind it so I googled the name. Yep. He's a "moderator" for a FG tv station according to wikipedia. This is what they do. They're trying to mask themselves to appear normal but they don't think like normal people so they stand out if you've had to do with them before. Instead of telling people about Falun Gong like their master told them to, they've gone to extreme lengths to hide that they're associated with FG. They're trying to look like some random channels to envelope the criticism against the chinese communist party in a way as to make it look like it isn't from Falun Gong practitioners.

Why are they doing this? Because they are afraid that people will discard what they say if they knew who's actually behind the message. They want to mask themselves as a part of the "general public" as if that even existed. It's like a jew trying to fit in as a white man and once you name him "he recoils, I've been found out!"

People in general have views, they're taking sides based on their own opinions. But these people think that you can't take a stance if you practice FG because then you're fake and it doesn't count as a stance. They feel like they're not entitled to be a part of society and that the blame will be on them if they were to stand up and just say "this youtube channel is run by FG practitioners to shit on China." Stand for your own view, or remain anonymous, don't pretend you don't have a stance when you have one. This misleading behaviour is one of the ways they create all this black energy that's ruining everything for them.

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5b3415  No.1597

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>>1596

>misplaced "humour" glued on

I find the guy funny, he feels funny to me. Like he's the only sober person in a party of hyper-degenerates, and trying his best fit in. This is funny. I don't see why you'd get angry at his energy, I don't find it disgusting. It's very controlled.

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673ce2  No.1599

>>1597

>feels funny

>the only sober person in a party of hyper-degenerates

He's trying to be. They've been doing this for years, I've seen their groups on FB as well.

>It's very controlled

He's afraid he'll go to hell if he deviates one nanometer from some arbitrary understanding they decided was the right one and shared in the group. The energy behind it is still shit and misleading. The egregore is very sly. But I can see you being fooled by this, you haven't actually interacted with them. Your lack of social experience may be a huge weakness.

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5b3415  No.1600

>>1599

>He's afraid he'll go to hell if he deviates one nanometer from some arbitrary understanding they decided was the right one and shared in the group

In my view, if there's a problem related to the entirety of a group of cultivators, it can't be entirely their own fault that they've all fell down into this same level of fear. Something Li Hongzhi did must've provoked this feeling. I see it in the way they reply in some of their quora posts, they hide their fear away with humor. Their thinking isn't at all like a human's, because the souls and spirits behind these people aren't human. There's an extra challenge in interacting with everyday society because of this. I do not fear going to hell, and I know what the feeling of fear feels like. So I feel sympathy, and not anger, for these people.

It's actually very likely that if they do move even a nanometer they would lose status, and energy, because of that. Maintaining your position is part of forbearance, and there's a reason why they feel such an oppressive need to be like this. They don't know how to release it, and Li Hongzhi, from what I've seen, has never taught them how. How do you move beyond the moral codes you've outlined, the ones Li Hongzhi, the one's you see, and still feel safe and without incurring karma? My solution: I would rather be sent to hell and die for doing what I believe to be right, than go to heaven in fear of being wrong.

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673ce2  No.1601

>>1600

I can't feel sympathy for people who ruined something which could have been a beautiful opportunity. It's not just in the energy they're creating being the worst in the world, their ways of behaving are just off in all kinds of ways. You don't need any special awareness to be put off by it. I felt early on that it was impossible for me to tell them what I saw, what I felt and what I knew myself. It's quite simple, most of them have no abilities at all, and they're not even interested in anything esoteric. They're lonely people who are just clueless about the world, and they're looking for social contacts. They're the normies who ruin the hobby in the meme. They don't even understand anything they read, so they can't discuss their own understanding of the text. Rather they talk to others and copy their "understanding", which means they didn't think for themselves at all and doesn't really understand anything. It's gotten to the point where you can't even talk about what you understand from the text without them thinking you're trying to show off how special you are for thinking for yourself and actually understanding something. They've turned FG into a chinese version of socialism, which is quite the opposite of what it is.

They don't believe anything is right, because they don't believe and they don't know anything at all. They're not people who should be reading these books or doing these things to begin with. That's why all they create is karma of the worst kind, they're reducing this to a chinese tea drinking club with mandatory reading sessions and demonstrations.

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5b3415  No.1604

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>>1601

Li Hongzhi talked about this exact thing. In his words, in response to someone pointing out how some people don't study the Fa and instead just "clarify the truth", and some people just read the Fa and don't do enough external work:

>Basically, you’re saying some just clarify the truth but don’t study the Fa, while others just study the Fa but don’t clarify the truth

>This is precisely an excuse that the old forces use to persecute Dafa disciples.

The energy I see behind Falun Dafa practitioners is of a black energy attacking them, and testing them. But it's essentially the fact that cultivators have taken an extreme approach to cultivation, of not wanting to do one thing and the other well. I read the Zhuan Falun and I know precisely why these people do things like this, and I don't necessarily see it as the fault of the cultivators themselves. Although they can take the blame, I don't see it this way. I don't approach things that way. The black energy feels like the resentments, the repressions, the feelings of inferiority, negative emotions collected and made strong and dense by the Falun of the practitioners. It's not release, and can't be released, and these feelings can't be resolved by either Zhuan Falun or Li Hongzhi's words. Li Hongzhi has once said that he felt sad when one of his students commented that if master was and truly did act like the way CCP told them he did, he wouldn't be following him. He said, paraphrasing, "If a person is in a mud pit and asking to be saved, why should I have to enter into it myself in order to save him?" This shows the sort of attitude enlightened beings have. They aren't willing to suffer through the same things human suffered through, and therefore aren't capable of understanding. Their methods are flawed for this reason.

Having said that, I can't feel anything but this sort of love. For cultivators, I don't think any of them can truly and actually be bad if they're working to be a good person. This might be a mistake in my thinking, and is typical of most right-leaning folk/boomers.

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673ce2  No.1606

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>>1604

>I don't think any of them can truly and actually be bad if they're working to be a good person

You already know I don't see a contraction between good and bad as I view "good" as hypocrisy when using it to imply moral superiority rather than a subjective assessment.

>He said, paraphrasing, "If a person is in a mud pit and asking to be saved, why should I have to enter into it myself in order to save him?" This shows the sort of attitude enlightened beings have. They aren't willing to suffer through the same things human suffered through, and therefore aren't capable of understanding. Their methods are flawed for this reason.

This is what's causing the "walking on eggshells" feeling within FG. The same attitude is all over this world now. People who didn't experience something telling others how to do it. We have a word for that here, used in different versions, we call it being a backseat driver or an armchair [insert practical skill]. It does sound very logical in the sense of

>not lowering yourself to their level

when speaking of an opposing and "evil" force. But if you're talking about helping someone through education, which I interpret this as being, you do need to get down there with the student. The thing you paraphrased, in my current phramework of thinking makes it sound like the students are placed in opposition rather than on the same side as the teacher.

I guess it doesn't matter, I've already concluded that any law is just a semi particle, or a clip particle in your words. It's broken and not immortal or undead. All religions teaching law, for this reason, are dependent on continuous movement and periodic re-establishment by sacrifice, as each new space created only lasts a short while. It's indeed like someone walking on water, you can do it if your shoes are big enough and you run fast enough, but if you stop you sink. Christianity is just sacrificial magic based on self sacrifice, as they're pretty open about when calling Jesus the lamb. Li called Jesus a legit god, with this as an expression of his values, you can determine yourself what he's teaching. From this perspective it's a little weird that he talked down on judaism calling it degenerated for sacrificing animals. Unless it was implied you're supposed to sacrifice humans and that resorting to animal sacrifice is a degeneration? I don't think that message would be well received. He didn't say that, but I can't help seeing this logical loophole in it.

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5b3415  No.1607

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>>1606

I can tell you about how I see Law and the like, and what I see Falun Dafa as being, but that's pointless. I'll talk about Law only a little bit. Law is like a statement someone makes that other people must follow, sometimes people make really good and insightful statements and it's a good idea to follow them as a general rule. Sometimes people make really stupid statements, and it's a really bad idea to follow it as a general rule. From this, I take a very different approach to law.

Moral superiority only holds true when the morals are truly superior, as judged by their assessment to do good, and to me to do good is judged by a lot of things. As a general rule, being able to survive and help other people survive is an okay starting point.

>This is what's causing the "walking on eggshells" feeling within FG

I reached a small breakthrough last night when I was wondering what caused all the problems. In my view, it's the fact that ki wasn't worked. I've also realized I've assumed you know a lot of the knowledge that I've learned in meguca, but that's not likely. So I'll re-talk about the milk white body. Essentially it's a body removed from all Ki, and it allows for the creation of gong. In what I did, I restarted the ki work that I literally never did, finished it, and worked it up until it cleansed itself from the body. All the problems related to resentment, inferiority, not knowing what to do, these are human level issues. And human level issues need human level treatments, which is ki.

>when speaking of an opposing and "evil" force

Evil is obvious to me in that's it's a group of people doing "wrong", not a group of people that a general public sees as doing wrong. I sympathize with Garou from one punch man, or Kaito from ajin.

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5b3415  No.1608

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I don't think you have a good grasp on logic. if you don't care, that doesn't matter. But if you're going to engage in it, I think you should care. You're looking at a problem and assuming the problem follows the general framework you've accepted to exist, such as christianity being about human sacrifice. Li Hongzhi said, from memory and a bit vague, that Jesus getting crucified and killed in the way he did was in response to him saving a human being. The gods above thought that Jesus was trying to take him into christianity, when the man didn't belong there. So, Jesus meddled in a business he shouldn't have and got punished. He talked about Laozi in a favorable light in that he just wrote a book and left. Li Hongzhi doesn't see the universe in the same way you do, and doesn't believe power derives from things in the same way you do.

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673ce2  No.1609

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>>1608

I'm going to have to be blunt here, because I'm just tired of what I can only perceive as lying that's been going on for such a long time. I've read mostly everything by Li Hongzhi published online between 2001 and 2016. The first few lectures were the most interesting because they explained a bunch of things relating to qi gong, the human body, how to cultivate and things about the world and science, aliens etc. The Sydney lecture from 1997 as an example. But, and this is where some of our differences may stem from; the more time went on, the more he repeated himself. Nothing new came out and reading the new lectures seemed more and more like a waste of time, which is why I just gave up a few years ago. He also started saying things which I can only understand as direct contradictions of what he said earlier, even things which seem to contradic Zhuan Falun. Now here comes the part that's even worse: there's been changes made to previously published lectures, even the Sydney lecture has a "last updated" date from a year ago. He said early on that Zhuan Falun was to never change, yet in 2015 the first few pages were replaced and instructions for cutting them out from physical books were posted online.

One of the recent lectures he also seems to be directly contradicting what he says in ZF, and even going against what was in my understanding a fundamental principle, that of saving all beings. He's now suddenly saying that he's only saving your main soul, while before, and in ZF, it was always that all your souls get the Fa and are saved.

This just put the last nail in the coffin for my trust in him, tbh. I had my main soul removed because it was degenerated, in his terminology, as I'm an assistant soul, his method isn't meant for me. At least it was a good confirmation that I should no longer be involved with it.

I'm leaning towards this whole thing being a ruse to get the technical stuff in ZF out to the world by the entity who created the sitting meditation. It seems likely Li was just unknowingly channelling this entity all along.

Even worse is the rumours of him aging pretty badly (I haven't seen him and no new pics are posted so I can't confirm this). However he addressed this in a recent lecture saying "the old forces" had damaged his body. If you claim to be able to save the universe and that you can do anything, implying your are the strongest being in existence, teaching a method saying it will make you eternally young and that your life can be prolonged indefinitely, it doesn't help your credibility when you start aging yourself. By now his followers are going to just swallow anything he comes up with to explain it. But the explanation gave me the closest to a cringe I've felt so far with this.

I once again feel a fury inside, and that is what motivates this post.

What I remember him saying about Jesus was that he only saved his 12 disciples by dying for their sins, to have their karma dissolved so they could start the religion. He also said there's been countless "Jesus" after that becasue the gods get contaminated from watching the human world and needs to be replaced, that every generation has their own Jesus. This is my own understanding. It explains why christians are still persecuted, it's so they can save their own closest group. It also means the "Jesus died for your sins" is complete BS, he died for 12 people. You will have to find your own "Jesus" to die for you, unless you want to died yourself and collect a bunch of souls in the process.

Additionally this also makes me question what "gods" are to him, as they appearantly can't handle the human world.

Yet I don't see the yokais or other entities being degenerated from interacting with humans.

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5b3415  No.1610

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>>1609

>I'm leaning towards this whole thing being a ruse to get the technical stuff in ZF out to the world by the entity who created the sitting meditation. It seems likely Li was just unknowingly channelling this entity all along.

All the exercise are more or less required, the sitting exercise follows the same "law based" thinking as the others do and isn't that good from what I see in it. You suffer from the same thing that I see in a lot of both current Falun Dafa practitioners and those who couldn't take the mental pressure anymore.

I've never read that bit about Jesus dying for 12 people. He said that Jesus has been removed and replaced many times, once every 10 years, some assistant soul of a human replaces him after that current Jesus taught him everything there is to know, and gives him everything there is to need, to be Jesus. Also, that the 12 disciples really are actually Falun Dafa practitioners now, and reincarnated in order to be saved now. I'm not going to explain the entire reason for why gods would not want to be around humans for long, but it's essentially just that they're dirty and can be influenced by human's negative thinking and karma. You have to look at how the touhous interact with their own karma and "negative thinking" in order to understand why it doesn't bother them as much.

I didn't know you had a problem with people lying.

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5b3415  No.1611

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The problem is this but magnified 1000 times, and magnified 1000000 more times by the falun wheel. Except this time God is a fat narcissistic man, and he doesn't like gays or prostitutes, and believes China is #1. He also can't do anything and these pesky Old Forces keep stopping him from winning.

As a side note, he claims the old forces were made in response to the "pure positive" nature of his teachings, that the old universe worked off of the opposition between good and evil and that something purely positive must be met with something purely negative, so they made communism.

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673ce2  No.1612

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>>1610

>All the exercise are more or less required, the sitting exercise follows the same "law based" thinking as the others do and isn't that good from what I see in it. You suffer from the same thing that I see in a lot of both current Falun Dafa practitioners and those who couldn't take the mental pressure anymore.

No and No. You know nothing, appearantly. Don't make definite statements like this when you obviously have no idea. You lack experience. Maybe that anon saying this board has chunibyos was right in your case.

No, I'm just tired of this. You're not realizing anything from this, you're refusing to even look at yourself and consider what someone else tells you. You think you know better even when I know for a fact you don't know what you're talking about and you just brush it off in an instant. This is a waste of my time.

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