/sunflower/ - Sunflower

Now feels like a good period to go on a retreat and plan ahead. Old obstacles have passed and new possibilities are opening.

This also leaves an opening for anyone interested in joining the Sunflower Project. What is this, what do we do and what are our goals? If you have any questions, don't hold back!

>>23

Could you elaborate more about adopting a catgirl? What's the use and what is expected from me in return? Also since Gensokyo was mentioned on this board too, can I combine both and adopt Chen?

Vampire here, my goals are attaining telepathy and astral travel and then preferebly go on to live on the astral permanently, leaving the physical behind. The future in mundane society holds absolutely nothing good for me, I am done here. I am looking forward into the direction of the astral realms and astral beings and removing myself from the physical ever more. And being a fan of Touhou of course Gensokyo strikes me as very alluring. Touhous are the last videogames I still have and still play, because the are very uplifting and inspiring to me. Even before it came to my understanding that it is based of an actual astral place I always felt like when you play the games, you get connected to a higher spirit, it always feels more magical than most, if not all, other videogames. Also I'm birthing/creating my own astral body and ingeneering my own astral island, I'll post it when it's done so maybe someone can visit it. The only problem is that I can't properly astral travel yet so I can't even go there for real myself, except in imagination.

>>24

Catgirls in general are underlings of Bast/Bastet, the egyptian deity. The sigil posted was from her to begin with, but the cat who provided it forgot to mention that. The touhous are to be viewed as archetypes, meaning there may be more than one of them. Chen being a very strong character is likely to be a freelancer catgirl and cannot be adopted. As catgirls count as yokais they are welcome in Gensokyo and in this case may serve as a link to the world for you, as well as a companion when exploring, should you need one. But mostly they are in some way descendants of Bastet and carry her magical knowledge. They're simply cats who can speak like a human, walk like a human and perform magic like a skilled occultist.

If you're interested in the magic, contact Bast directly and ask to adopt one of the cats living with her, they're more disciplined and better schooled in magic.

For a visit to Gensokyo, follow the instructions in

>>3

using the silver tray to build up your energy. It can all be performed using visualizations, no belief or special skill is needed. Yuuka Kazami will appear by the table and act as your guide if you manage to raise your power level enough. She has permission to open the gate to Gensokyo for those with the right intent. She can also guide you to making your own touhou body in the most fitting form.

>>26

The energy will only be used by Yuuka to open the gates if your intention is to visit Gensokyo. However, it may be difficult to gather enough energy to break through the barrier alone, which is why you need two other participants. It doesn't matter if they're humans or spirit companions. You can add one catgirl and call on your Alissa to fill in the 3rd position. Yes we had someone in the Collective who attempted this successfully.

The touhous do not practice "nice" magic so they will take your energy to make up for the cost of the visit, but they will also guide you properly if your intent is beneficial to them.

I did the body creation routine posted in the library. I normally project my vision around and can even interact, but creating a body made it much easier to see and move around.

It looked like pic related. Like some sort of dense transparent fluid with air bubbles in it. At first it was around 50 cm tall, and when I got to the ground I willed it to become bigger, overshoot it and became so tall I had to slouch in order to fit through the doors in my apartment.

I looked in the mirror and saw it had goggly eyes and looked a bit insane to be honest.

>>69

Make use of the temple or meeting room. If you link to it and remain there with a neutral mind, you can call on the aid of a friendly entity and you can practice with them.

We've had all kinds of them come to sessions by the table, including Athena/Minerva and Stheno, one of the gorgons, Asathiel, an alien with muscle building knowledge and obviously our mascot and guide, Yuuka. It is a place well balanced on a powerful location astrally.

>>70

I haven't seen that happen in my past lives more than once, at which point I had killed myself in a witch ritual and spent the following 100 years, all of the 1400s, with some dark beings in a weird place. After that I just reincarnated normally again. It may have just been a lifetime as a spirit.

You can see for yourself if you use the device made for past lives access (Elysian fields artifact).

>>4

>>75

I had two lifetimes in the 1300s.

The first I was a girl who died at a young age. I know nothing of the situation surrounding it. The only clear scene is this:

It's a moonlit winter night. There's a thin layer of snow and the ground is frozen solid. I leave the town and walk over a field into the forest, feeling a strange pull. I can sense something out there and I walk deeper into the forest. I reach a stream. I can feel the allure even stronger now, and I can sense these black shadow beings out there. I walk out on a rock and then just step over the edge. I fall into the stream and float away, soon being drawn under. I briefly meet the beings, but they tell me I'm not ready because of the desire in my heart. I see a tunnel with light at the end.

After this I was instantly reborn into a family of practicing witches, and this lifetime ends with me as a young woman walking into the woods. I come to a ritual ground with drawings on the ground, and by the light of torches I stab myself in the heart to kill my desires.

After this follows a lifetime of being a witchlike dark being with the same kind of smile and sharp teeth as them, before I am again reincarnated.

Life after this I am a chinese calligraphy teacher, completely unrelated.

Anyone interested in this?

>>84

Suggestion: weekly 20 min session for visiting Gensokyo or Japari Park, or one of each if there are enough participants.

>>89

See here for more info

>>13

This group was created around this theme and purpose. Yuuka is our mascot and guide, the gardener tending to ascending sunflowers.

>>107

>>106

Maybe you managed to self induce "hysteria" by locking up too much sexual energy in a closed circuit?

You'll have to find the method that works for you personally, I was shown the odal rune by a guiding entity and through meditation found how to connect this circuit properly with an adaptation to myself.

The form I ended up using turned out like this. (pic)

>>122

My personal view in the pic.

Other than that, the views of Order of Nine Angles on the acausal may be relevant, but if you want to start at a more basic conceptual level, the acausal is commonly called "synchronities" today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity

>Synchronicity (German: Synchronizität) is a concept, first introduced by analytical psychologist Carl Jung, which holds that events are "meaningful coincidences" if they occur with no causal relationship yet seem to be meaningfully related.[1] During his career, Jung furnished several different definitions of it.[2] Jung defined synchronicity as an "acausal connecting (togetherness) principle," "meaningful coincidence", and "acausal parallelism." He introduced the concept as early as the 1920s but gave a full statement of it only in 1951 in an Eranos lecture.[3]

>In 1952 Jung published a paper "Synchronizität als ein Prinzip akausaler Zusammenhänge" (Synchronicity – An Acausal Connecting Principle)[4] in a volume which also contained a related study by the physicist and Nobel laureate Wolfgang Pauli,[5] who was sometimes critical of Jung's ideas.[6] Jung's belief was that, just as events may be connected by causality, they may also be connected by meaning. Events connected by meaning need not have an explanation in terms of causality, which does not generally contradict the Axiom of Causality but in specific cases can lead to prematurely giving up causal explanation.

>>168

It seems our concepts do not match very well so in the case of what I consider theoretical terms I'll either just ignore them or reply according to my own views. To lay out the context of how I use words and explain why things appear the way they do when I speak of them; I will only use words to represent materially existing things and situations I have experienced personally, unless specifically stated. If referring to a specific known tradition, this usually means it's for reference based on a likeness to what I have experienced.

>Okay, so it seems this board is linked to a certain "succubus collective".

They have specifically told me to use the word "succubus" when talking about them, as if it was a name or a title. For this reason you will never see me use "succubi" for plural, they want it to be "one succubus, many succubus" with no change.

As for the discussion on what they are, you seem to be well aware already so the rest is just a matter of understandings. I see a lot of common statements in your post, things often repeated but in my experience they're either theoretical or refer to something minor which I never personally had any issues with and won't bother elaborating on because it's irrelevant.

>And that would be the last question on my part, why is this collective so insistent on leaving the Wheel of Samsara?

I don't think I saw a question before?

Anyway. I don't quite understand the question here. The Collective is an organization for immortal females sharing the same values and living together in a specific part of what is usually referred to as "the astral." Motivations aren't very relevant here as long as you're being honest and have the same goals. If I'm to understand your question correctly, you're actually asking me to "convince" you to leave the reincarnation cycle?

This is not how the Collective functions. But as this question seems to be based on misconceptions I'll move on to them.

>Doing through black magic pretty much guarantees you'll just descend into the mineral kingdom in a few cosmic cycles, and disintegrate into nothingness, your very essence being returned to the source.

I understand you believe this but you're going to have to refer to sources for this, and preferably explain how your own experiences of testing this information vs reality made you believe this to be true. There is currently nothing for me to reply to here, the only reply would be "no you're wrong", I don't see where this is coming from.

>As far as I understand, the only true way to achieve proper immortality is to create, develop, and perfect the human soul, then slowly dissolve your flaws and re-join the Godhead as a perfected being.

Depending on your exact definition of "godhead", I pretty much agree. This is what the Succubus Collective is for. Unless your understanding of said concept is very different. If it's anywhere in the area of judaism or hinduism we probably agree, those are close. While we're here, you may refer to the "shakti" for an understanding of how we use the word "succubus" within the Collective, it's fairly close.

>To that effect, even the most degenerate Protestant denomination will be more useful for your immortality than black magic, and that is saying a lot.

Christianity doesn't produce immortals, it's a soul farming scheme. You're either an elite (monk or nun) in which case you became a soul farmer, or you're a follower and pray to an idea of "god" in your mind, which links to one of the elites. The follower's soul is then given to this soul farmer who's now "God" in their mind, through performing of the confirmation ritual.

This is the function of christianity. They "save" souls from hell and reincarnation by enslaving them. It's a fair deal accepted by the universe. But let's not be hypocrites about what this is. Just owning a bunch of souls can make you pretty powerful and it is indeed your own power in the sense that you own them. But it's still just using other souls as batteries, you haven't cultivated your own mind beyond the state of "slave owner."

>>175

Alright. I think I understand your concern now. I can't say much about the writings of Hermes Trismagistus, I just don't see any use in it. More on this later.

First I need to ask in what way you've applied what you've learned from him? This is the part that matters. I will never take anyone's word for anything in situations like this.

As an example, my personal experiences of how souls work are pretty simple and has to do with ownership and creation. This is all from what I've learned by dealing with it based on what I've wanted to do and what I've observed.

I'm actually not sure what you mean by "black magic" here, what you're saying reads like something taken out of a book but never tested, I don't recognize this at all so it either refers to an area I haven't touched or it's just not real.

My opinion on Hermes is that his works have been given an undeserved status as some deep mystical texts, when the way I see it, it's all just based on things ripped from the torah. Some of it feels like it's just the same sentences in translation passed on and translated again, interpreted and changed into something almost unrecognizable but still maintaining a vague feel of the original.

He produced a lot of viral one-liners, is as far as I can stretch in trying to say something positive. But I'll give you a chance to explain your view here after seeing mine.

Returning to the question here

>it's whether the collective has some way of attaining spiritual development outside re-incarnation, since even very advanced beings continue incarnating to eventually reach union with the absolute, either by living out life after life, or attaining physical immortality and only having a handful of lives, each eons long.

the Collective and other entities of similar kinds (I just call them "the girls" here but there's great diversity) all have ways to visit the human world in the form of humans. This is very common but most people will never know. There are always strangers in cities and on the roads, you cannot tell who they are or if their identities are real or not. If there is anything they need to do, this can be arranged.

Most of the time they don't go physical but will just use manipulation by inserting things in people's heads or in the case of those like us, they can talk to us telepathically and interact in all possible ways with no physical presence.

One aspect of what is going on here on this board is an exchange in which we allow them to freely interact with the world through us in the simplest way possible. Entering a bodily state has a cost afterall. In return for this attention given to them, they will guide us on our path.

This board now has a weighting towards touhou, the "eastern way" and its representations in modern art and media, but any other related topics or groups are allowed. We're just letting them act as the hosts and guides here because they have a lot of suitable resources.

I also personally have an interest in their world.

This relates to my past lives as a witch. It's been carefully implied but I still think you'd be shocked if you knew of my past actions and the results it's brought. The world and the universe doesn't work in the way people today think, mostly in relation to ideas of "morality" and "sin", very little of this is real.

This is rushing things a bit but since it came up it's probably meant so. The "kundabuffer" concept is relevant here in more ways. There are no coincidences.

Why was Jack the Ripper never found out?

Because of the kundabuffer. People would all rather believe in an anti-semitic bogeyman stereotype than consider the possibility that "Jack" was "Jill" all along.

In one way these events are all a demonstration, as well as an elaborate joke on this theme. How far can you push it?

>>223

The "ancestral cord" would be best described as an astral representation of the navel-cord, connecting you to your mother, her to her mother and so on all the way back to Adam and Eve or Adam and Lilith ;^)

It's a blind spot of those practicing a certain strand of witchcraft. Initially it seems fine to draw energy from this ever growing egregore of your bloodline, which would seem to give you more power over time, and in the case of the undead, they'd reach levels of power incomprehensible to normal occulists. The catch here is that the power is external to yourself, meaning it's only useful at the human level, and it also locks you to your birth position like an anchor in the physical. You'd be both unable to use your magic beyond the scope of the human world, and also be restrained within the area where your magic is effective. This creates a double blind spot. You seem powerful because you are unable to move outside of the area where you have power. You also do not see that the source of your perceived power is what's restricting your movements to the close proximity of the physical, and that it's causing a hindrance to your development. You're walking around in an exoskeleton of magic power while your own muscles are withering. Once you skip out of it, you still have the experience and knowledge, but you'll be very weak. Some people may prefer to gather knowledge for a while using this boon, but it's making you an armchair occultist even if you're undead. Unfortunately this seems common.

There should be a tool for removing it in Alissa's storage if I'm not mistaken.

Other than that, no idea.

Yesterday while I was minding my own business there was an entity that would look mostly like a german shepherd that attacked me. I noticed it moments before it managed to bite my right arm. Some annoying sensations from this could be felt on my physical arm (not pain), after which I obliterated it.

Anyone know what this means or where it came from? Also how can I increase my awareness in general because I don't like it being able to get to me just before I noticed it.

>>340

I don't attack anything unless it's hostile. That will not be tolerated. Anything else is safe. Though I think because of my guarded stance towards dogs they won't try to get close to me either way.

>>339

Thanks for that. Due to past physical experiences I'm always on guard around dogs so it's not like taking the form of a dog would relax me. Either way I don't know any entities or people that would feel hatred towards me.

There was a fight with my friend a few days ago but he has no interest in the occult and that fight had been resolved (coincidentally) yesterday.

Guess it's time to find a way to identify the attacker.

>>344

In my current position it wouldn't be suprising if a few groups would pick a fight with me, that said I think none of them would associate themselves with the black court. And I can't imagine a disciple of Astrael suddenly picking a fight either.

That said I have to agree that this is more likely but I haven't actually tried checking up on it yet. Also can't remember whether the attack was before or after resolving. Given the nature of the conflict there could be lingering resentment.

Without going into details of what happened is I insulted him in a case of a misunderstanding from my side, blaming him for something he tends to do often but didn't in this case. After talking about it he believes I have a lack of compassion and empathy.

>>402

>For the astral island/world/realm/whatever guide. It can't be so easy to just create one based on visualization, can it?

The visualization works if synced to the reality of your own energy only, for this to happen it needs to be very exact. While the guide is sloppily written, this is a result of it just being a copied chat log, it was still given to someone with all the relevant parts included and tested a dozen times in this form. Like all the pre made stuff on this board it requires some skill and those first steps aren't included. Consider it a manual for practicing occultists and spiritualists.

>If that were the case then people would create their own places all the time simply by fantasizing of fantasy worlds. What more is there to it?

They don't because they aren't following the exact structure. Some people create worlds but they only make them for themselves and it remains as mere fantasy in their minds. Others make them for spirit guides but don't ground the world properly. Some make collective efforts like /x/'s Veelox world, which was not properly built and was overrun by shadow people.

Point is, while the guides don't look like much, they contain the bare minimum of the steps needed to make it stable. But you also need to be a practicing occultist of some kind to be able to use them properly, you need a certain energy level and some spiritual assets only few people have.

The common argument

>why would neets on an imageboard backalley like this have the ability to do this

is completely backwards. Why would "successful" facebook boomers be able to do it? If 20 people world wide can succeed, that's very few, and maybe these people are exceptional in this very narrow field and found their way here from a lack of other avenues.

I noticed that I can see light coming from my own body, other living beings and even objects quite a while ago. It's easiest to see on myself tho and I believe it's what anyone would call auras. However…only recently I realized that I see it with my physical eyes and not my third eye. I also see energy flashes, orbs and pixels floating around but those I see with my third eye instead of my physical eyes. How can it be possible to see auras with the physical eyes? I always tought only the third eye could see them.

I made a test and placed a hand before my eyes and then crossed my eyes so that I would see my hand double. The aura of course was also double. I then closed my eyes and couldn't see any aura behind closed eyelids. But when I closed them I saw the imprint of the light of my entire hand behind closed eyelids. That is solid proof that I can see auras only with my physical eyes and not with my third eye.

I then walked around with eyes crossed and while I saw the entire scene in front of me doubled and unfocussed the energy orbs and pixels were not doubled and appeared focussed and crystal clear. Of course you cannot cross the third eye, lol. Then with closed eyes I still saw the energy flashes and pixels etc. This is proof that those things I see with my third eye instead of my physical eyes.

I also believe to see shadows moving around from time to time from the corner of my eyes, even standing there and watching me and even believed to see a black claw reaching around a corner but for those I have no confirmation whether I see them with my third eye or the physical eyes. Maybe those are just illusions anyway.

Anyway, my point is that I'm confused about there being two ways to see spiritual stuff. I tought the physical eyes couldn't perceive auras, and nobody ever clarified that. Now I wonder what else am I able to see with my physical eyes? Also where are the limits of the third eye since I cannot see auras with it. Makes me wonder with what can I see spirit beings, with the physical eyes or the third eye?

Anyone else got experience with that kind of stuff?

>>447

>I see it with my physical eyes and not my third eye

Li Hongzhi has talked about this, it's supposedly normal in qigong. Any part of the body can develop sight, including the eyes. Not that I have any experience with that exactly, I tend to see it with eyes open or closed, or by visualizating a target, it doesn't matter how I see the thing, the aura will appear either way.

>I also believe to see shadows moving around from time to time from the corner of my eyes

This only appeared after I got involved with vampire magic. In my case it's the soul's eye seeing this, to my knowing. This means the ability is from your soul directly and has nothing to do with your body.

>standing there and watching me and even believed to see a black claw reaching around a corner

In my opinion it's your surroundings in the egregore you're a part of, and if it contains mystical elements like this it will spill over and manifest.

>>447

>How can it be possible

>I always tought only the third eye could see them

There is no real distinction between the physical and the non-physical, life, death, astral planes or whatever. The apparent distinction comes from the fact that our body is designed to lock you into a narrow band of perception. Whether it's impressions from your optical nerve or your third eye, in the end it's your brain that's translating the information for your mind/ego to interpret. Experiment with psychedelics and you'll see the images you normally attribute to your “third eye” gradually take over your “physical vision” until you can't differentiate them (because in reality there is no distinction).

>>449

I had third eye vision before “making it” or even finding the vampire threads. Same with dreams. The third eye opening is a matter of practice (and accepting what you already can do but have repressed, in my case), and it doesn't have anything to do with the spell. As far as I can tell, and others with more skill have confirmed for me, all the vampire spell did was place some sort of cage or harness structure around my heart chakra with a portal in it leading who knows where. I mean, it leads to some sort of purple crystalline cave structure, but I have no idea what it is. And honestly I don't care. I have noticed that if I cultivate excess energy during the day, at night the energy is sucked out of my heart. If I ever find out this shit is harmful there's going to be retribution though.

>>456

Anything yoga related is new to me, I never practiced it before. I've only spent the last one year on it and it's a way to refine what I already have using technical skills. Chakras still just seem like a way to measure something, it's arbitrary, although the terms are well spread and they do correspond correctly to external dimensions. That said when people talk about them being locked as if we are talking about a device or organ, that seems deluded to me. I've never seen anything which could be called chakras in my body specifically during all my years of practice which is why I for a long time considered the entire theory BS. I'll use the term for "within body" manifestations contrary to "outsidy body" manifestations, because it matches as far as that. But locking the heart chakra for example? To me that's just level 4 out of 7 and you can't pass it because of karma. There isn't something specifically locked there, you just need to break through some blockage which you weren't aware of before, but using the concept of "chakras" you misinterpret the meaning of what you see.

This is how I view this.

Interesting about the purple cavern stuff though, I can see what you're talking about from here. Not sure what it is though.

>>456

Also Rick, remember when ancap claimed that energy from all members of the group (not sure if he meant the entire cabal or just our ergregore) is being taken and sent to the weakest members or those who need it the most? Maybe something like that is actually happening. Your excess energy is being taken and send to feed and balance out those less fortunate…no wonder why my sight and dreams only started to develop after I've taken the spell without me doing much for it…in that case thanks for your donation.

Are the current happenings related to a change of paradigm with regards to energy gathering structures in mundane society?

>>563

The corona virus? It's part of it now but the original intention was just to make a mess for the chinese communist party.

Someone, whom I think is Nut (other don't agree but this is my conclusion) took the chance to use the outbreak for something bigger than that, and now some other demon, we may call her Pandemic-chan, entered the scene just last night, now confirmed by WHO.

The similarity isn't striking but I think this is it. Corona-chan is Nut.

>>569

Now this is maybe getting a bit personal here but when going through past lives earlier I found that I had been to hell/the underworld a number of times in between incarnations and one incarnation back I was taken aside by a woman with a cow's tail who guided me back up. Nut being depicted as a cow made me think it was her, and it makes sense with her protecting the dead.

This same woman later appeared during an astral travel session. The details are irrelevant but I made the connection only a few days later, she appeared in traditional dress at a shinto temple but her face felt like a mask and not her real form.

A bit later again the woman from the underground appeared during a session at the sunflower meeting room, this time wearing a green glowing hair band.

I'm used to biting small hints and not letting go so any entities trying to communicate with me would know that one detail would be enough for me to notice the connection.

The previous guide, whom we simply called the silver lady based on the color of her hair, later confirmed to be Isis, the daughter of Nut.

This connection was already made, compare Ebola-chan's hair with the things held by Inanna. They both also have wings.

Which is more likely? That 8ch/pol/ created an egregore or that they simply made a new image of an already existing ancient deity? The modern world is a mere varnish sprayed over the old, nothing changes. We still worship the same gods under new names.

I would like to share some details on The Moth Cult for any interested parties:

The Moth Cult is a spiritual idea emphasizing a personal sojourn into transformation to free our spirit from the prison of the demiurge. We have no universal morality and believe in the primordial equilibrium between darkness and light. Morality, existence and experience is viewed as an infinite spectrum with no dichotomies able to segregate its contents. To free your inner moth from the cacoon of the demiurge requires a committed pursuit of personal perfection. It is up to each individual moth to decide what to do with this freedom. The MOTH sometimes stands for (Making Our Way towards Heaven and simultaneously Making Our Way towards Hell), this is to denote our journey transcends life and death, has no final destination and no limits. If you would like to learn more, we humbly invite open minds to come visit our official cyber-shrine, headquartered here: https://xchan.wtf/rel/res/64.html

>>613

Cool. Moths have their own cult. I've met a few of them, you have our support.

>>613

Do you have any cool and nonstandard systems of magic?

Also the demiurge is at the moment fighting off the Corona egregore with all its powers. Secretly a good guy all along??

Lastly, how well does moth cult spirituality assimilate into Eastern Orthodox church doctrine?

>>2

I've only read a few occult books and tutorials but my mind feels like a battleground

Right now i am only trying a few things void meditation , feeling energy and focused day dream and i do feel i got better i even did nice/stupid things like defend myself against something that tried to rape me in my dream i say it's stupid because i "ate it" through my body, i got this being blood and sex lust as a side effect now which is something i didn't know could happen.

Now my real problem is that i can't seem to fix my broken mind, i had an abusive childhood and suffer from ptsd and it's getting in the way if i try to imagine myself prettier or healthier i get an intrusive image of disease and death fighting back, it's the same for everything i always have the opposite of what i want fighting my will.

I am only alone when i manage to shut my thoughts while meditating so right now i am stuck.

>>626

Invasive thoughts are a bitch. I've found they went away for me when I got into spirituality at around age 7, and when I started developing the kundabuffer later on in life. Labora et ora.

>>626

Childhood abuse may be parents repeating abuse they were subjected to. Somewhere down the line if you trace it, you may find an MK-ULTRA victim. Just look at celebs and popular media and you can see how they're all feeding this in people's minds, it's self replicating by now, everyone is to some agree exposed to trauma based conditioning.

Realizing this and becoming aware of how the public school system abuses kids, how your parents tell you to go there, the government forces you with police if you refuse, it's a never ending cycle of abuse.

https://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/the-world-of-mind-control-through-the-eyes-of-an-artist-with-13-alter-personas/

>>625

>Also the demiurge is at the moment fighting off the Corona egregore with all its powers. Secretly a good guy all along??

Corona-chan is breaking the trauma conditioning by imposing her own trauma.

>>616

Thank you for the support.

>>625

>Do you have any cool and nonstandard systems of magic?

Moth Cultists are by default non-standardized, as in they all practice differently. I personally use a hybrid system of energy vampirism, prayer, and meditation. I'm trying to expand and pioneer more techniques.

>Also the demiurge is at the moment fighting off the Corona egregore with all its powers. Secretly a good guy all along??

If you wish it to be…

>Lastly, how well does moth cult spirituality assimilate into Eastern Orthodox church doctrine?

I'm not too familiar with it, that being said, Moth isn't about universalism in any sense, while Christianity is completely universal (morality, conception of God, the afterlife). Moth is syncretic, though, so one could integrate Eastern Orthodox thought and practice into their own philosophy.

>>642

This thread has a pdf book on occult vampirism that an anon posted: https://xchan.wtf/spky/res/65.html

Our Moth shrine has the bulk of our philosophy and has developed organically through the disparate contributions of our cultists: https://xchan.wtf/rel/res/64.html

I personally don't interact with deities other than my personal conception of God. Moth is extremely syncretic and only unified by some baseline tenants (spiritual relativity, subjectivity, the appreciation and exploration of all the aspects or nature, not just cherry-picked ones, balance, personal ascendance). Moth is really a spiritual melting pot standing on the above mentioned foundations.

>>645

I didn't recommend Iron Gates, I was speaking on Temple because it is one of few resources that acknowledges spiritual vampirism. I'm more concerned with exploring ideas than keeping up appearances; I just go where the knowledge is. The rest of the Cult, I can't speak for their collective ambitions.

I've never really had a spiritual experience of any kind. I've been spiritually unengaged for most of my life until recently. I guess you could say I've been in the cacoon and am just now stirring from my slumber. I do wish to achieve such an experience and will prepare as necessary to facilitate its, and my arrival. I'm going to venture into doing rituals, as well.

>>654

I can't tell you anything on that because I don't see what you're referring to.

Let me elaborate on the example in the post above. The reason for the elusiveness of "Jack the Ripper" was because of something to this day very present in brittish society; the sexual interests of some of the elites. I dare say some of the present exposures are a result of magical poking about around this field in trying to figure out the exact functions of it.

We recently had a prince being cast out from the royal family after accusations of having had sex with a 17 year old at the now (in)famous Epstein's place. Personally I find the most outrageous part of this to be that it at all made the news, since this is even way above the age of consent in most of the world and shouldn't be considered a topic at all. I'm unfamiliar with the local conditions in the UK and the location of the "act" taking place, so I can't say anything on the "legality" of it strictly speaking. The reactions to this whole business is however the interesting part, direct moral hypocrisy aside.

Anyone that matter is trying to shut it down (without being seen as doing so, more on this below). Only the lowest level of people, news reporters trying to find a scoop, are talking about it. They're dogs and dogs are going to dig around in the dung, so no one can really blame them. This, along with the greasiness of the topic itself, manifests another form of the kundabuffer: Journalists digging too deep in secret business would normally be intimidated into ceasing their activities. In this case, the degenerative quality of the whole thing would cause anyone touching it to get fouled up with mud. The people with power sufficient to shut this story down can't do it without confirming their own involvement. So they stay at arms length.

Take a step back and look at the Ripper case again. All suspects are stereotype bogeymen; a jewish butcherer nicknamed "leather apron", an drunk sailor, perverted soldiers and mad a midwife. Add in the mix some far leaps like freemasons, black magicians, evil doctors and vengeful nobility turned insane by the syphilis acquired from the prostitutes killed.

The police force are unable to go near the truth of the matter because in doing so they would instantly risk exposing the sexual preferences of their superiors. Anyone doing so would be considered a traitor tarnishing the nation's image, with no regard for the truthfulness of the things exposed. This is kept up to this day, and the Ripper will remain a mystery for this reason.

>>647

>The rest of the Cult, I can't speak for their collective ambitions.

If thou must know, 't was me who dumped all that gnostic stuff in your moth thread. In fact, most of the posts in that thread are from me alone. I also posted the game and the article on cosmicmoth. It just looked like a good place to dump all my stuff…I hope I didn't pollute your thread too much. Sorry for kinda taking over. I still don't understand what your cult is actually about and what other cultists are even doing there, if there are any other at all. I just tought all that wall of text that I left and the recommendations were helpful to other spiritual people. Seemed fitting to the theme I believed to recognize in the thread too. But xchan itself seems like a zoomer cancer shithole with absolutely zero value so I probably won't post there anymore. Your moth cult thread was the only remotely interesting and enlightened thing to ever appear there and it's basically dead already. Hope it's not actually my fault.

>>661

Doesn't ERP stand for erotic role play? Gnostic ERP sounds exotic.

>>660

A technical problem I see with the ring: it's one level lower than what the actual halo should be. For the sake of fairness I'll say I half-assed the blueprint since the full halo requires two full particles in order to be completed, one submissive and representative of the owner and the other the actual halo itself, and making a blueprint that fluidly includes two particles requires more effort than I want to put in. The ring as I see it now is operates within the confines of Law, just below and not fully touching "out of karma sphere", and is weaker due to that. A thought experiment that could help understand this concept is, "What exists outside of law but is still in complete control of Law?" The actual answer is karma, but the answer used in the halo is the embodiment of will in the form of a user that technically doesn't have an existence above 1D.

To complete the exchange I also placed a scroll with my understanding of the demonic tail. It's based off of the idea of true black magic bringing benefits to anything it touches as long as it aligns to the will of the magician. It destroys only things that are lesser than itself, working more as a cleansing tool rather than one that corrupts. I've never seriously used black magic so I have no experience with it, this is my view of it as a non-practitioner.

>>668

Something like that was what I figured even while making the post. I activated the ring without putting in any energy related to "core values" since my impression was that the point of a ring wasn't for mental interference between the wearer and the ring itself. Not that I put on the ring in the first place, those tend to break or dissolve either immediately or in a short while after being put on. For the demon tail, the name is a bit strange and I don't know what to give it. A technical description of, "Karma manifesting itself as physical protection/cover from judgement", would be less confusing.

I've seen 4 demon tails, one related to succubus, one made from my imagining of a demon tail, one from something that can only be called a demon lord, and one given to me by one of the entities I ask for guidance from. The only resemblance between any of them is the mental appearance, the internal idea behind each one is different. The tail on the demon lord looks and feels more like the reasoning used for making a black core in mental island creations, and is the most interesting in my opinion.

>>673

Of course it isn't real, it's all an elaborate roleplay. We're using this to escape from our boring daily lives. Each week we alternate who plays the valiant humans and the evil monsters that prey on innocent humans. Magic isn't real otherwise science would have already let you know that, right?

>>673

>Your deity is like your fursona and you pick one that matches who you are/want to be?

Somewhat. For slave religions you just worship your god but here we're (mostly) on the path to becoming immortals, in which case the god is a role model and spiritual guide. You can become their equal or above with practice and skill.

>Do people actually think that gems help their emotions?

>Is seeing spirits and ghosts a will to power sort of thing?

>People know how pendulums work right? It's subconscious hand movements. Which you can use to talk to your subconscious but it's not a spooky scary skeletons thing.

>Tarot cards are just on the fly feel good stories that are left open ended so anything can fill in, right?

No idea, I haven't used them and I don't know what "will to power" means in this context.

>>677

>Realized all of it is only in the individuals minds and affects only them.

Why don't both of you check the temple thread and the group session thread and try it yourself?

It's been made in the simplest way possible, all you need is a basic visualization ability and you can take part. If you do this with other people you will find that it's fully possible to communicate wordlessly over a distance and that it can be confirmed by you, yourself. Don't bother proving it to someone, you do this for yourself or you don't do it.

See

>>97

>>3

>>678

>Why don't both of you check the temple thread and the group session thread and try it yourself?

I >>674 was being sarcastic. To me it was very obvious sarcasm as well but it seems to have been missed twice.

>>679

Don't be an idiot. People don't lie on the internet, sarcasm isn't real and there's no way magic is either. Skeletons aren't real either.

>>680

>People don't lie on the internet

Can you imagine if they did? There would be so much misinformation.

>and there's no way magic is either

Exactly, if it were then everyone would be using it. Humans are smart creatures after all.

>Don't be an idiot

>Skeletons aren't real either.

I know a cool skeleton. You are objectively wrong and should read more books to inform yourself. Maybe take a look at some of Crowley's material to expand your mind.

>>682

>Crowley's material

>Expand your mind

Aha.

Ahahahahaha.

>>683

You're just mad because you know his material is top tier. Enough of this charade, I never read his material, getting in contact with anything related to him feels bad to me. Staying away from his shit.

>>689

Nice thumbnail, nerd.

>>690

>smug Madoka

Ironic that on a magic board this is the most unrealistic thing so far.

>Nice thumbnail, nerd.

T-thanks.

To not make it all completely off-topic I guess I'll share something. Had a moment where I was preparing food when my father on the couch started a conversation with me. When I looked at him I saw a very thick indigo color around the top of his head. Looked away for a moment and then looked at him again and it was still there. It didn't come from anywhere else and this has only happened that time, I don't know how I did it. Not even sure whether it can be classified as aura. I've seen plenty but this would be the first time witnessing aura if that is the case.

Greetings, folks, I'm here to talk about shapeshifting. Specifically, this infamous ebook I've attached here. Can anyone speak to its merits or lack thereof? I refrain from reading it because the PDF versions of it are supposedly cursed, and since I'm new to this sort of thing I think it'd be best to let someone else "appraise" it, so to speak. What's the deal with this curse thing, is it real and if so is it that bad? Does this book even work?

>>705

If the curse is real, it didn’t work on me. Then again, I dropped the book pretty quick because it’s shit. Also his tweets are autism tier.

>>703

>just weird dreams

There is no such thing. It’s all the same thing. The only thing different is your mode of perception. They were bland because why wouldn’t they be? Answer that. Also

>feel a lot more real than normal dreams

Because in normal dreams you are mostly unaware and absentmindedly manipulating the astral with your subconscious wishes and fears. *that is what your afterlife will look like unless you start being present in spirit and not just in soul*

>is magic real

>I never had any experiences

Guys. GUYS.

You’re all wrong.

You have contact with magic CONSTANTLY. You just have been fooled into thinking imagination and dreams are not real. FOOLS. When you imagine, dream and remember, you are interacting with the astral in a superficial way. You can manipulate your circumstances by remembering differently. You can speak with all sorts of spirits by imagining passively. You can essentially put your foot out of this material prison using only your imagination, but you can’t do that if you believe it’s “just in your head.”

You don’t need to learn astral travel or lucid dreaming. You don’t need stupid medieval robe wearing and ritual prancing. You don’t even need to be able to visualize visually. Any form of imagination will do.

You’ve got pic related. You’ve got the Magic 101 thread in this very board and you’ve got a ton of info in the /fringe/ archives: http://fringe.balkanchan.ga/

DO IT

>>711

>FOOLS.

Lol. It's those little details that make a (wizard) post great.

Since we are speaking of dreams here I want to get back to a dream I had and also posted about in a late vampire thread. Back then I tought it had to do with vampire stuff but now I'm sure I know better. It was a dream about me and a school class or a group of people out on some farmers fields in nature when a huge red storm came from the horizon towards us. It was just a giant cloud of red stuff and it engulfed the whole world. We tried to run away but it was impossible, soon enough we were caught in the storm raging over us and it was pretty scary. I could absolutely not move and not breathe and I tought I die. The red stuff was blowing everywhere. But after a while the storm passed and I survived. In fact only me and one other guy were left. No idea what happened to the rest of the group. Then I ran home and noticed the whole world was in a kind of emergency state with a looming danger. I warned my family to keep all windows and doors shut because I tought the storm might come again.

Now that's the dream and with that being said I think I got to see the Corona outbreak before it actually happened. Only now do I realize that. Back then I had no idea about Corona and tought the red stuff is vampire energy or whatever. The color red obviously, the storm raging over the whole world, even little details like not being able to breathe (it attacks your lungs) and not being able to move (especially all the quarantine and lockdown stuff going on), it's all an accurate prediction of Corona. If only back then I had the slightest idea…

But pretty cool, eh? If it really is a future foreseeing it makes me reconsider every other 'interesting' dream I had because more can be foreseeings too. It opens a whole new possibility of dream interpretation. Maybe that's my ability or someone is sending me stuff.

>>713

When exactly did you have this dream? I went through my dream notes and noticed that arout a week before the whole corona thing started I had a dream about a new plague so I decided to stay inside. Someone who stayed home with me caught it but the cure was in some kind of vape pen. Not sure about the cure part but the vape thing at least references to lungs.

>>715

Good thing you are on a place offering immortality then, right?

Pic related anon suggested the virus is present in 95% of the population, before the virus made the news, and that's it appears as a flu but will "activate" its real form under unknown conditions.

Interestingly enough as I read this I recalled seeing visions of what I thought was a disco ball of this type (other pic) as far back as 2010 without being able to understand what significance this had. Compare to the corona virus.

I'm going to go for this anon's theory, everyone already has the virus, but the conditions for its activation wasn't fulfilled before. So you can't protect against it spreading, that's the wrong approach.

>>716

Forgot the disco ball.

>>715

>When exactly did you have this dream?

It was when megu was still up. Probably around autumn 2019, maybe even earlier. Back then nobody talked about it, and I had no idea such a thing even exists. It was definetly before the initial outbreak.

>>716

>Pic related anon suggested the virus is present in 95% of the population

Wouldn't even surprise me.

I just saw my first UFO btw like 2 hours ago in the forest in broad daylight (I have also seen strange lights in the nightsky before but nothing as clear and solid as this). Told my family and got ridiculted and laughed at immediately. It was very like those objects you see in various youtube videos, except it was actually there in reality right before my eyes and not in some truther video. What's most interesting is that I made several pictures and one video of it with my smartphone and it doesn't show up at all on the footage. All you can see is clear sky (and one orb in the very first pic, strangely enough). Also, the forest was full of people but I had the impression that only I saw it. Nobody even looked up to the sky. That together with the fact that all my pics don't show it makes it really almost laughable. I don't even know why I looked up at that moment. I didn't even decide to look up, I just automatically looked up for no reason and it was there in the sky, right in front of me. It was directly in a clear spot between all the trees so that I could see it. In the perfect spot. Almost feels like I was meant to see it.

It was a smallish straight thin metal plate, silver in color, hovering at the same spot, slowly spinning around it's own y-axis. No way it was trash blown by the wind or something like that. Also there was no wind. After a while it started to move away and higher up towards the sky and then it's shape became bent, then it dissapeared.

Strange things happen. No idea what it was. Never seen a drone in that kind of shape and color either.

I placed a wand with a different version of the vampire spell on the Temple. Normally I'd give any unique insight over vampirism or any component related to vampirism with Alissa, but she can't understand it. The aim of the spell is to get to the bottom of the level of karma, in my view literally below even the 0D level and the absolute telos and End of all things with an end, in order to create an energy equivalent to sacrifice. As a premature apology for why I see it below the 0D level, the 0D essentially governs personality and essential quality, there are things that hold power even over (or under) what the 0D represents. Also, I visually see it below that level, so unless a fundamental shift in perspective happens that won't change. The energy has no real value in terms of +1 or -1 so it's probably useless to most people. I'd imagine the people able to reach this level are fewer than a fraction of a fraction, but I know at least one person participating in this group is capable of reaching this level. The spell itself was created with the aid of another vampire, at least half of it was due to her unique insights. Possibly the only being I've ever met more capable of solving magical problems than me, and the only one I've truly felt inferior to in terms of intelligence even within my domain of extreme specialty. Also the only spiritual being that has truly acted selflessly in a way that I could quickly comprehend. This was both a humbling and eye opening experience.

>>732

>I placed a wand with a different version of the vampire spell on the Temple. Normally I'd give any unique insight over vampirism or any component related to vampirism with Alissa, but she can't understand it.

I just recently did something similar on my own, relating to my own personal development. Like, very recently. I examined the wand but I can't use this either, it's touching me and providing a quick cleanse but after that I can't activate it.

I contacted Alissa and made a version of my own understanding of this in cooperation with her. For sharability we formed this into a pearl. It's semi seethrough, pink with a hint of orange and a white glare. To not clutter the table I placed both the pearl and your wand in the cabinet by the "back" of the room where some other things were already being stored.

Going by what I know so far, this same type of thing was taught at Japari Park during a ritual at my last visit, their version of it.

>>736

I'll be calling that particular area the study room. I can't completely grasp the pink pearl, but I see it as missing the level of virtue. Without virtue the spell wouldn't be able to be completed.

Today we supposedly have a big super full moon or something like that. I read on the net that in the next 5 years there will not be a super moon as big as today. It's no even dark and it's already there in the evening sky. The moon always fascinated me, I just want to stare at it for hours when it's full moon. I already did this as a little child as my parents have told me. There is no other time when it is as peaceful and soothing than when the full moon is shining upon me while the entire town sleeps.

I wonder if there is anything worthwile to do on such occasions. I'l probably just stay awake the entire night and charge myself with the full moon energy to the brim and meditate. Maybe try some energy and astral exercises. And play a little bit of shmups. Touhou 8 and maybe Burunyanman. Anyone gotta do something tonight magic-wise? I just wonder if it's a time to put to use.

Yuuka has helped me in a creation of a protecting sword/familiar calling device. It's meaning is to call a black, or white depending on the person, wolf that is in reality a manifestation of my "gong". If you don't know what gong is, it's another aspect of my energy that acts independently and has it's own mind, but is connected to my own. The wolf acts to protect the user, and if need be guide and herd the user, from anything intending to harm to negatively affect he or she. The wolves themselves work well enough for this goal.

Ignoring the part of summoning them with the sword, which is easy, recalling them is a bit trickier. Imagine the wolf being sucked back into the sword. If done correctly a new deep red energy should be dyed on the device.

I've made a blanket in the design of chain mail, a billion and more tiny 0D particles interlinked together with a fineness that makes it look like cloth, and placed it in the temple. Use it if you want to feel safe, and be safe. It's actually made up of 3 different particle qualities, if you want to know each one then find it out yourself. The design is repeated again and again in order to make the cloth.

I require some help. The past week there were constant negative thoughts that caused me stress and anxiety, a few days ago I increased my defense and it instantly stopped affecting me and I feel like myself again but it's still there trying to find a way in. Last night someone manipulated one of my dreams in an attempt to create the same effect as before, but because it was blatantly obvious it didn't do much. Tips on how to deal with this are appreciated.

Does someone still have the pics of the artifacts from the vampire threads like the 5k spike and the ambrosia etc and can post them again?

>>908

Ambrosia was created after being given in the form of a carnivorous plant by an egyptian deity during a sunflower session before we went public.

It was shared with Alissa and should be available from her by request.

>>908

There was a lot of information posted around that time. A lot of wands and artifacts too.

The ki ring makes a ki body for family members to live in. It's not permanent, since as Blood-anon said after a couple of centuries the universe will want their spirits back into the reincarnation cycle. It's a method of prolonging the life for whatever reason you want. I'm pretty sure this is entirely spiritual and not physical by the way.

>>912

You're probably completely harmless so your feelings don't count.

>>913

Kindness is a weapon that's probably more deadlier than any other I know. Nothing else can change a situation more quickly than when your enemy thinks itself your ally, and him also being right. Doesn't mean I'm incapable of violence. But you're right in that I have no sense of hostility towards them as a group as long as they don't try to interfere/force their methods with my own works.

>>938

>>938

>>938

What was that which you just said about me, my friend? I think you ought to know that I have completed my time as a novice-monk, and I've passed through the Gateless Gate, and I've lived for over 300 cycles of rebirth. I am trained in anapanasati and I'm the most senior bhikkhuni in my local sangha. You are nothing to me but just another human being worthy of dignity and respect. I will have compassion upon you with loving-kindness the likes of which has never been seen before in the Cycle of Samsara - you would do well to remember these words. Do you believe that you can say these things and still escape the principle of dependent origination? Perhaps you should reexamine those beliefs, brother. As we speak I am contemplating the importance of accepting your words with detachment and equanimity, so, without malice, I advise you to prepare for the storm, young one. The storm of suffering that afflicts all living creatures in this world. You are trapped in a cycle of death and rebirth, child. Not only am I extensively trained in the Mahayana Tripitaka, but I have access to the entire Pali canon as well, and I will use its teachings to their full extent to help alleviate the suffering within you which causes you to say hurtful things about others. You could reach Nirvana anywhere, any time, and I can help you achieve enlightenment in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with the study of Koan. If only you could understand what evil karma these words of yours would sow, perhaps you would have had the wisdom to keep silent. Nevertheless, this was beyond what you have been prepared for, and so I promise that I will do my best to ease the suffering that you have brought upon yourself. I will teach you the path of the Bodhisattva and you will revel in it. Your suffering may yet reach its end, child.

>>957

According to him one of the horsemen of the apocalypse is involved, the main entity behind the sigil in the tumbnail there was said to be death, but I think they overlooked how things like this can work. Googling it leads to this. A chemical substance effecting the lungs.

The other entities involved were war, pestilance (Ebola-chan/Inanna?) and famine. I can't speak for the legitimacy of those sigils but the first one, whrn shown properly (the one on the the thumb is turned) correctly matches previously posted maps the dimensions.

>>958

Like this:

Start on the top right side with horizontal line human level, moving through hell, and then below, arrow marks the cut off point between full circle and semi circle, followed by a left movement through the 3 mysteries, then going past a dot representing the lowest level -1D and then into a reverse womb at -2D which is how the virus incubates and spreads into -3D.

The actual design doesn't feel like "death", this is more like a mist fairy sigil, which is at virus or bacteria level however, compare last pic titled "ghast sigil."

>>973

>ghast sigil

A guy in the Chamber of Light discord server (the one advertized on fringebay) asked for a way to contact mist fairies aka killer fairies, and that's the one he was given. It worked like a charm and he was impressed. This was during a stream of events which brought up the Naso no Kanojo X anime which has a weird nature symbolism with a theme about drool as a form of nectar (don't ask just watch it if you want to know) and this sort of coincided with the appearance of said mist fairies. They, while being humanoid, are thinking at the level of bacteria, viruses and, naturally sperm. This is a level of thinking and also a plane of control in the universe, so it's not completely illogical for the sigil of an entity behind a virus to look like that.

>what do you make of the fact that the sigil matches the map

The entity who shared the sigil operates within the same worldview as us.

>while the name supposedly is a chemical substance

That may just be a "fun" detail, they tend to do it this way, they know some people will google everything so they pick a name which will show up with some synchronity if you do google it. Spirits have humour like this.

Yuuka showed me an alternate way to access past lives from the gazebo. You might need her to guide you the first time in order to find it.

There is a nearby grove with a path between the trees that leads to a lake. From this point on, Yuuka wouldn’t accompany me.

There is an underwater stone structure with an air pocket inside and a stone slab blocking an exit in the ceiling. Sliding the slab over reveals an exit into the sky and a meadow. In this meadow you’ll find the scene of a past life, either happening in it or evolving in its surroundings.

FLCL is another show with interesting gnosis embedded into it.

>beings from outer space meddle in the life of humans in order to exploit their third eye's ability to conjure beings and creations and exert their power over the world

And Darling in the Franxx (the anime, not the manga) is one of my favorites.

It not only explores the issue of immortality in the context of mundane human life, but it contains the alchemical formula for astral immortality.

>>1175

Please share. I don't usually like listening to music because most artists channel harmful lyrics, but I enjoy anything with good gnosis.

“If you want to love you must serve, if you want freedom you must die.”

G. W. F. Hegel

I placed a dagger that embodies forbearance in the study room. Yuuka tells me to inform her if anyone wants to collect it, since it's destructive. Also represents the idea of suicide, and despair, anything with an energy low enough but solid enough to be unbreakable and without movement.

I'm going to attempt to explain a specific concept I've been thinking for a while now.

I've been wondering what the inherent difference between the internal world and the external world, or the microcosmic and macrocosmic, was, and how it relates to magic and general intuitive knowledge of how eternity and the void operates. On one side there's human irrationality, that of human emotions like love and hate, wants and desires, being in seeming complete contradiction to itself, and from the other perspective there's the complete cold and rational material universe that, lacking entirely in form, has no care for contradictions. The difference between the two universes have been explored on meguca and to a much smaller extent on here, and from my time from posting on both I've learned that the concepts I've explored aren't unique to me, or this board and community. The first thing I've observed and posted about was the clip particle, or law particle, a particle of thought trapped and confined into one specific point of view, by a single line hiding the broken nature of a false particle through belief, either false or real. This isn't a new concept, and is pretty openly discussed by John Dee in his book Monas Hieroglyphica. If you want to understand the mental structure of Law, I'd suggest reading that specific book about the subject.

That specific book is also a good primer into the thinking of the external universe, a universe devoid of any compassion, filled only with a stubborn refusal to exist, and complete apathy for the wants and desires of any who live within it. The external universe is also what I want to talk about, but before that I'll have to awkwardly make my way around the concepts of the microcosm, posters like Blood-anon have named this structure 1D, 2D, 3D, etc, going up to 7D. Each of these levels have a correspondence with a certain kind of human thinking, and going through and completing each level is acting out your own inherent self, born from the void, or the 0D. The structure of each one is complex and probably deserve their own unique posts, and would require extensive meditation for the gain of it's knowledge.

I've found the internal structure to be confined within the concepts of Truthfulness, Compassion, and Forbearance, compassion being romance and has been talked about both in meguca, when the topic of Gosick came up, truthfullness is internal fidelity and acting out only the truth that one sees. Romance is more relevant to this board so I'll put slightly more emphasis on describing it. The levels of romance is the levels of hate, and obviously of love, extreme passions that can only be found within a person's internal beliefs of how the world functions. In art this is expressed by the refusal to copy other people's works, and only looking inside for one's actual abilities. Acting out with violence, hurting others for the preservation of what one loves,nationalism and the love of one's country and the hate of those who work against it, this level removes the dichotomy of love and hate.

This stands in contrast to truthfulness, or benevolence. Internal and external fidelity to the works of others and the truth that exists oneself, and either forsaking the self for the sake of selfless action, or to take in the works of others as the work of the self. Acting as a conduit for the works of others, a person doesn't have to rely on himself for this stage of existence, at most only trying to keep loyal to the truth. This level removes the dichotomy of the self and non-self.

Forbearance stands in stubborn refusal to move and change one's position. It can be seen as suicidal, but it's form over matter, believing that what exists materially doesn't stand against the internal values of what one wants and desires. In keeping form, this level removes the difference between life and death, keeping these two concepts as equal.

>>1198

Should've proof read this a couple more times before posting. Evolution and equality both look energetically similar to me, I've mixed the two together. Fortunately doesn't effect the message.

>>1176

Bringing this into here instead.

After seeing that things weren't moving fast enough, the sun spell was boosted a bit for more effect. Seems this anon picked up on the change right away. That image is pretty close.

>>1196

Law is truth, and nothing else.

The external universe is complete apathy towards desire, and yet it is defined and fueled by desire. There is a mystery within.

Romance is falsity assigned to external illusions. The only truth pertaining to it originates from within, and describes the whole world.

Truthfulness is falsity, the work of the "I" is the work of the "all" only by elector-magnetic completion. It is as much your own work as a reflex to a super-sensory event.

>>1198

True equality is perfection. This is nothing less than absolute Godhood, or Deity, Positive and Negative have the same meaning here, since they move towards the same ultimate goal, without aesthetic dichotomy. 0=(-0). Do not be deceived.

>>1199

Your post fortunately goes beyond the area where such notions hold importance or meaning. Your message is (Absolute).

>>1204

There's many spells placed on the sun, many times more powerful than (you)rs. You did pick up the idea, as it was a Universal Absolute. The sun is all-nourishing, not all-destructive. Perhaps you should review yourself to this effect, since you are an aspect of the Sun.

>>1208

There is no claim that "I"="All" in operative terms. The elector-magnetic, the all-tangible, is a definition of all possible realities in one. You react to the operations of the perceived-external-conceived, at a deep causal level, which cannot be transcended until complete realization of the Self is achieved. Naturally, such a thing transcends time itself and is tangible and perceptible only by it(your)self. You are a theophany of Eternity, and your intuition is true beyond your own (or my) perception. I've brought myself to a lower spiritual state to answer this, yet no state will provide a complete image.

I'm sorry I cannot answer your statement to any further degree, I am insufficient in my own Self as well, which is inferior to your own.

>figurative=/=literal

You're right, the figurative is imaginary, while the literal is real. What we try to assign to supra-significative ideals is nothing more than a rationalization of the Absolute, it is as close to the Real Esoteric as the ramblings of an atheist analyzing our own lower practices and results. And yet it is the closest thing we have to a perception of higher reality, until we achieve that state and become salient in these lower spheres.

Nice video, anon, bless you. Everything is addressed to (You), by (You). I'll drink some more now.

I placed four items in the library. The first and the one I really want to share, a dagger representing benevolence. Also represents patriarchal deity worship, ancestral worship, and following and upholding moral laws and beliefs despite bringing no benefit to you personally. The other three:

Angel wings representing movement between economies and movement between reincarnation.

Either a choker or a beheading device, representing stubborn refusal to change one's mind on a topic that holds great importance to you personally.

And, a halo that rejects any kind of thinking that isn't original to yourself. Learning new subjects isn't learned through indoctrination, but through actual processing and digesting of the information.

I'll be making a new thread and posting my interpretations and understandings of the internal world there, since it's easier. Hopefully my next post about a new subject will involve 0D particles.

>>1223

>a dagger representing benevolence

Good job, you've managed to lay out the entire structure explaining why benevolence is actually evil and a part of communism, and why buddhism and christianity also are. This isn't a knife though, it's an energy structure placed inside an image which slightly looks like a knife, it's not an artifact. I placed its contents on a scroll and placed in the study.

>Angel wings representing movement between economies and movement between reincarnation

They attached to my back as a form of virtue but I can't see what they actually do.

Last two falls within what I already have solved so picking them up would be redundant for me.

>>1223

Placed this in the study. Had to reformulate their function to understand them.

>>1230

You're not wrong in your assessment that benevolence is part of communism. But there's a reason why the CCP, the Chinese Communist Party, is called the red demon rather than the blue one. Removing benevolence and ignoring the aspect of selfless desire removes a fundamental part of the structure. The scroll replicates everything but the comprehension of what the void is, or the patriarchal deity worship, of the knife. Understanding that structure is important, and is also the basis for ancestral worship. It's a pretty scroll regardless of what it lacks.

>but I can't see what they actually do.

Controlling production through self-production, and destroying production through selfless sacrifice. Ideally as a group acting out to destroy whatever economic structure there is.

>>1241

I had a dream just last night about two werewolves brothers, me being one of them, one "evil" and another "good" fighting each other and cooperating in destroying a certain structure. The evil one was stronger, he was willing to do atrocious acts to gain ultimate power. The good one weaker, he refused to do any acts that would hurt others for no reason. The final outcome was good winning through the cooperation of those he helped. A childish tale but I found it fun, even if the scenes I saw and had to fight weren't pleasant. Also figured out another way to use the temple that someone has been trying to do for a while, which is make a "thread" and start posting messages and images so that others can read it. Only one person is participating consciously, but there's others who are participating without actually knowing.

>>1243

It would be a good idea to use a "physical" board on the wall of the temple and post your messages on there to keep some order. I tried making one but the egregore aka other people, will have to accept the idea for it to exist.

I consider this a "step on the way" solution to actual telepathy.

>>1258

>how to motivate self obsession, slavery, rape and unfair punishments to yourself and others

After some thought I realize this is the basis for the entirety of my thinking, how to deal with unfair punishment and self-obsessive people. My solution has been to accept my suffering as proof that there is good in the world. I sympathize and pity your stance, but I've grown to hate myself and others in equal fashion. The chains I see myself in I want others to carry as well. But these same feelings are equally represented in me wanting to help others, to alleviate whatever stress they're under, and the only solution I've ever found myself is through gritting my teeth and bearing through it. These same people also seem to hate me, so there's no real relief on my end. The built up stress is expressed in creative work, which is funnily enough why a lot of high culture is also homoerotic. Suppression of sexual instincts lead to creative outputs, and there isn't any thinking more forced to suppression than faggotry. Kuckoldry, then, can be seen as a denial of a man's self-sacrifice. There is nothing more logically and emotionally contemptible than this.

So I'm forced into worship of works greater than myself, in art that can only be expressed through generations of exploitation and self-worship, in love in something greater than I can ever be, and to be loved by a being that I can't see. Since death itself only a gate to another world, for more work to begin again. You can also see this as just a male's method of dealing with women.

No, I stand by the dagger. The structure you're seeing is at the bottom, it's what I call the universe of the pouring of blood, a structure that has only 14 levels compared to the normal 15 of a 0-7D structure. The level this "evil" is missing is community, or sharing of passions and of guilt. When you see from this perspective, the evils of the world are then solvable. The dagger seeks to remove this level.

>>1263

>The structure you're seeing is at the bottom, it's what I call the universe of the pouring of blood, a structure that has only 14 levels compared to the normal 15 of a 0-7D structure. The level this "evil" is missing is community, or sharing of passions and of guilt. When you see from this perspective, the evils of the world are then solvable. The dagger seeks to remove this level.

You're like that Monty Python scene where someone attempts to order food but they included spam in every single dish. You just have to add some little narrow personal cultural thing to make everything you create incomplete. Then when someone else makes a streamlined version of it without that little degenerated attached thing, you're saying something was removed. It wasn't, it was just made from scratch, making use of the relevant things you pointed out, but based on something else, which didn't include whatever it is you are blind to having in your mind.

The

>>1252

>removal of self-ownership and property

is not what you're implying (if you are), it's just going against the idea that some external force should entitle you to certain privileges based on your self perceived identity and not on your own ability to maintain control of said property.

>>1223

>patriarchal deity worship, ancestral worship, and following and upholding moral laws and beliefs despite bringing no benefit to you personally

These all fall within the lower levels of the second structure, 2nd pic. They're extremely disgusting and self obsessed in a nauseating way, not including things like that is a given.

You keep doing this, trying to impose an extremely narrow definition of where someone else is mentally based on your own need to defend something indefensible. It's only going to cause you pointless suffering to maintain it, with no gain at all.

>>1270

I'm entirely entitled to the rights and ownership of my own property. Anything else is communism and believing in theft. Make a coherent argument, although I know I'm guilty of making word salads myself.

>>1270

I remade the dagger of benevolence using the first structure I made, the one with the basis of greed, and left it with Yuuka. It's a thin nail of lack and red trapped and confined by green cloth. It does the exact same thing as my first knife, the only difference is the perspective. If the other knife is made from self-sacrifice, self-denial, and suicide, then this is based off of self-love, exploration of ideas, and self-glorification. There is functionally no difference between the two other than it's content.

>>1271

>I'm entirely entitled to the rights and ownership of my own property. Anything else is communism and believing in theft.

Now this… you're throwing together things that have no connection in trying to defend that indefensible position.

Being entitled to something is just having an opinion, it doesn't mean you can keep it. If I take it from you and I can keep it, it becomes mine. "Right to own property" is defined by the government, yet they steal money from your income all the time and call it "taxes" and if you don't let them steal money from you, they call you a criminal, kidnap you and lock you up in a prison. This they call "justice." From this we can see that the system you rely on when saying that you are entitled to your property, and that taking it is theft, is based on the entity guaranteing this routinely stealing from you and from other people. That means you believe in communism by your own definition of it, so your entitlement to property is safeguarded by someone who doesn't respect it, and can take it from you any moment.

Why?

Because your "entitlement" isn't worth anything. They can steal because they have the ability to, and this make it legal and correct, because the stronger makes the laws and defines right and wrong.

Down the road from this comes other entitlements such as islamists being entitled to anything you own because you're an infidel, and incels being entitled to women because the god they conveniently chose to believe in created women to be the slave of men, and so on for every lazy group who wants the government to steal for them. Feminists being entitled to killing their own babies and you should pay for it, etc.

If I can stop all this, I have the right to do it. If you say I don't have the right to do it, but I can shut you up, your words have no meaning. That's reality.

>>1275

>you're throwing together things that have no connection in trying to defend that indefensible position.

The statement is pretty simple, if I own something then I own something. Whether I can defend it is another matter, but the basic ability to proclaim ownership is possible. I made no claim for any governments, and I would wish death on anyone that does. You should attempt to understand whoever you're arguing with before saying anything, unless you just want them to disregard your position. Any more discussion on this won't be fruitful, since you're too thickheaded to understand something outside of whatever context and culture you've placed yourself in. This is proven by >>1231. I'll go back to trying to figure out how to explain the 0D particle without writing a multi-long post explaining examples of what it's not.

>>1276

The newest one is more of a quickfix than the dagger of benevolence, since it doesn't acknowledge the existence of others that have different opinions on how communities should form. Fit for whatever your thinking is confined to.

>>1281

>I don't deny someone who claims he owns something for the same reason that I don't want others to deny I own something. This bond of trust is the basis of any civilization

Yeah… this is not the world I live in. The difference between us here is personal experience. No one ever respects me, my needs or my property. The only things I have are those I've been able to maintain by force or threats. There is no good will from other people, they'd kill me if they could get away with it to take what I have. For this reason, I'll return the favor. What you are talking about, to me is delusion, idealism, it has never existed in my life. There is no possibility for me to believe that this "civilization" has ever existed or will ever exist.

Similarly to what you're saying, I see no living human doing what I need to do, no one else is picking up this task, because they're selfish and destructive and left alone they'd kill themselves and others one way or another. If I'm the last outpost keeping them alive, I consequently own them. This lays out the groundwork of some occult power. If the people I saved through my actions, refuse to follow my lead, my rules, I will lose motivation to defend them and will cast them out. Left alone they will soon die. This will leave only those who see my goals as their own. I really have nothing else to say here.

The new artifact you made is, from my view, right behind the romance dagger I made so there is nothing more for me to learn. This is to say it's your version of the same thing.

>>1282

I don't really understand a thing you're saying, I did examine the wings and see a use for them though, and that's what I made into the wand.

Give me the world and I'll redistribute it fairly.

>>1295

>>1289

For further elaboration, I don't care if what I'm doing is exploiting myself, and putting myself into the position of a slave for my own goals and aspirations. I don't expect a police state or some father or mother to fix the mistakes I make, or to prevent people from doing evil acts against me or the things I want and own. My viewpoint is very different. My body to begin with isn't something I can consider my own. It does things I don't comprehend, has the blood of beings I don't comprehend, has facilities that I don't comprehend. It fails me when I want to push it too hard. My mind, too, follows principles and laws that I don't comprehend, has a relationship with a world I don't comprehend. My spirit, if you believe in a spirit, is owned by forces I don't know. Proof of this is my inability to commit self-annihilation of the body, mind, to spirit. Self-destruction, self-hate, self-denial, is the only method of self-ownership a person can ever attain. This is also the most effective method of self-discovery, outside of examination of others but even this can only be carried out through self-inspection and knowledge, intuitive and essential knowledge, of how one functions.

You can also view this as the love of discovery and of breaking boundaries in order to attain the methods and knowledge a person wants and requires.

>>1050

After some meditation on these words:

>but until humans or that Platonic sky-demiurge can create an eternal hell for them (created from lego blocks and populated by fat autistic kids and run by modern women)

I suddenly saw that the sigil for the INCEL menace created a false particle based off of the female perception of how men should be. Men aren't like this at all, men are much more childish, and the mirror but ultimately similar problem with Remilia's white stick/wand in that it's men's conception of how women should operate, women aren't so childish. After more consideration, I placed in the temple my solution to that false-particle. Looks to me like a picture from the Adam and Eve story.

In particular the issue was the value of the unegoistic, of the instincts of compassion, self-denial, self-sacrifice, precisely the instincts that Schopenhauer had gilded, deified, and made otherworldly until finally they alone were left for him as the “values in themselves,” on the basis of which he said “no” to life, also to himself. But against precisely these instincts there spoke from within me an ever more fundamental suspicion, an ever deeper-delving skepticism! Precisely here I saw the great danger to humanity, its most sublime lure and temptation— and into what? into nothingness?— precisely here I saw the beginning of the end, the standstill, the backward-glancing tiredness, the will turning against life, the last sickness gently and melancholically announcing itself: I understood the ever more widely spreading morality of compassion— which seized even the philosophers and made them sick— as the most uncanny symptom of our now uncanny European culture, as its detour to a new Buddhism? to a Buddhism for Europeans? to— nihilism?

-Nietzsche, Friedrich. On the Genealogy of Morality

To one poster here, who sees this compassion as hermeticism, this same movement of compassion into self-denial and rejection of one's desire is the malaise I want to remove from myself. Self-denial, and complete self-denial, naturally creates the condition for production and new life, outward in expression rather than inward and crude. The relief of pain, removing oneself from the conditions that actually produce proper and actual outcomes; the movement away from the natural source that brings about life and to the movement that removes the necessity of pain, I don't allow or agree with any of these things, I don't allow them to infect my mind.

>Good job, you've managed to lay out the entire structure explaining why benevolence is actually evil and a part of communism, and why buddhism and christianity also are

Both buddhism and christianity belong within the school of buddhism, the school of compassion and romance. Whatever idea of truth or benevolence you have of them is false, since these systems of belief don't have benevolence in them as their natural foundation, outside of what is essential and required for the existence of these two systems to continue. Taoism is what benevolence is, it's the rejection of what one isn't and the acceptance and worship of what one is. The patriarchal and Ancestral worship of the knife are two expressions of this: two expressions of self-worship and self-glorification, expressing itself outwardly in one's domination over the existing world.

I admit that my conception of both Christianity and buddhism are influenced by Falun Dafa and Li Hongzhi's conception of compassion. From this I don't want to admit to anything of what modern christians have come up with, it's fundamentally removed from christianity, since religion itself is an invention of man and not holy in origin. I placed male sexuality as I view it in it's entirely on the table of the temple. Essentially a drive to overcome and conquer rather than submit and do what's been said. Remilia placed her conception of female sexuality on the table. Both of these items complete each other, and they complete themselves, not requiring either to exist.

I'll also post this excerpt of text as an image, what I view as a complicated explanation of the 0D particle. Until I can find my own words to describe it, unoriginal but my own regardless.

>>1307

On the genealogy of morality is a good book, at the least for it's explanation of how christianity and "slave morality" managed to make itself win over the morality of the noble. The worship of power in itself, as expressed by a single person, rather than power as it's expressed in reality, is the failing point of the noble. And it's the ability of those who resent, those who've built their foundation off of hate of being forced into submission, to create ideals out of nothing but garbage and waste that leads them to their victory. To those who only want to feel good about themselves, to always say "yes", it'll look like fabrications and excuses to soothe a heart and soul tortured. I wonder what sort of resentment the strong hold over the weak when the army of rats manages to overcome them. Just read the "First Treatise," the rest really isn't worth anything.

Although I disagree on the assessment that the "lambs" resent the "birds of prey" because they hate power, and thus choose to run away from power. It's natural to hate that which destroys what you love, and if you love yourself it must be a sign of self-hatred to instead choose to love the birds of prey. Hating, planning, being forced into positions that are uncomfortable, and then finally acting is the correct choice. This is the true form of self-love.

>>1319

>It's possible something is missing as I only see the male side in it and impregnation is fundamentally a female thing

The way I see it, it's a cyclopean mental collapse inward, self-impregnating thought forming and shaping itself into actual purpose and drive. Similar to how the drive towards self-hatred is a movement inward, ultimately culimating to an outward collapse, rather than explosion, of actual and true ability and discovery. The way I see it more literally is a single road with many branches, the road is endless and so too are the manifestations of the branches, it twists and turns and moves. It doesn't stop, for eternity it continues a march of failure and success, until the illusion of choice is removed, when every possible outcome of infinity is entirely comprehended not as individual steps but as the whole process. It's failure that leads to it's own success. It's not having won, it's choosing not to run in the first place.

>>1324

You can also see it as the meeting of two negatives. One in the negative of having to interact with women, garbage as far as I'm concerned, and the other in hating women, wanting them gone and removed. It's at this meeting point where the actual sexuality of men is made. There's a similar and mirror process in what I see the female side of sexuality as being.

>>1323

>The scroll you placed doesn't have a single 0D particle

The scroll itself is a single 0D particle, that's all it is. The rest is just the path to seeing it. I can't explain all of it because it's too complext that's why I lock it into a scroll. Each scroll made is a particle because scrolls just are, when made right. They give you a +1 on your magic stat if you make one, but the contents have to mean something relevant or it won't form.

>My dagger is just one particle, an actual 0D-0D particle.

That is not what I see, as I said before I see a description of how benevolence is evil with some law stuff including some dirty chauvinist thinking in it. I had to move past the dirty stuff to fit it into a perfected 0D scroll. I actually feel that same dirt trying to pry in as I'm typing this, which proves it's still clouding your view.

You once before (on meguca I think) admitted that you hadn't made a single complete 0D particle and that all of them were economy particles so I'm wondering what made you so sure this time?

>>1324

Ok. Then this seems to be a moving of the darwinian thinking into the right setting but still not getting to the goal because of remaining on the inside of it. Let me put it this way; for male sexuality to be complete it needs to express impregnation, you can easily test if it does by interacting with a female non physical entity. Theoreticising about it but not testing it is just masturbation in this case, there's really no need to do that as the chances of trial an error in application are endless.

>>1325

>One in the negative of having to interact with women, garbage as far as I'm concerned, and the other in hating women, wanting them gone and removed

This is probably just you projecting your own female side, which you don't like. I know my female side is a whore and I'm fine with this, so I don't have this problem.

This isn't something new, it's been discussed in psycho analysis where men would see images of women they saw as depraved and couldn't get rid of in their minds, because those images were their of subconscious female self, which was unkept. It's a form of mental hypocrisy of double standards causing a divide where you're shutting out part of yourself and denying it, making you an unfulfilled individual.

While a lot of people do take this thinking too far, you should always first consider if what you're experiencing is a mere creation of your own mind, before assuming that it's external. Many people in this sphere end up thinking everything is in the mind and that's not correct but assuming everything is external isn't right either, then you end up projecting, like many religions tend to do (ahem, christianity). Repressed sexuality leading to people lashing out against other people is common. I'm aware that the

>if you hate gays you're secretly gay

argument is overused, but there are cases where these things happen, and I think this is one of them. That is to say

>if you hate thots, it's because you are secretly are a thot

Taking note of something being negative, from an indifferent standpoint isn't what I'm talking about here, you'll understand what I mean if you want to. But I don't think you want to.

>>1329

>The scroll itself is a single 0D particle

>You once before (on meguca I think) admitted that you hadn't made a single complete 0D particle and that all of them were economy particles

You're suffering from the same problem I had in meguca, when I mistook a bunch of economy particles as the actual particle rather than a particle being something innate and internal. There's not a single 0D particle within your scroll. Otherwise, I never claimed I never made a complete 0D particle, I remember the context being I never made made an 0D particle within the context that an economy particle isn't a god particle. This was false, my perspective was just biased and based off of external rather than internal thinking. Meaning, I thought the world I saw with my mind's eye was real.

>for male sexuality to be complete it needs to express impregnation

You gotta use the thing on yourself in order to understand how it's expressed. Otherwise I have nothing else to say, by completing every step of failure you reach a point where you realize the steps aren't required. The first mistake is assuming a man has to please a woman, to interact with them, rather than pleasing himself through his own actions first. If something isn't fun, why do it? The second mistake is trying to correct women. Women can police themselves if they want to, men aren't effective at preventing them from doing things they don't like. Putting the two negatives together leads to a outburst of positive. This is a replication of what's done in the void, and isn't actually something I made by myself. I have to interact with female entities in order to understand the picture.

>While a lot of people do take this thinking too far, you should always first consider if what you're experiencing is a mere creation of your own mind

The actual thinking requires a man seeing something he doesn't like and thinking, "I don't like it." Accepting what you don't like is normal.

You're making too many accusations without giving much of any ability for a person to express their own personal view, most of these accusations are you not understanding male thinking.

>>1329

>That is not what I see, as I said before I see a description of how benevolence is evil with some law stuff including some dirty chauvinist thinking in it

You've externalized your view away from the actual particle into the belief that the dagger represents external motivation rather than internal motivation, meaning you see it as law based because it looks and can only be accepted by your mind as law based. I thank Yuuka for showing me a glimpse of what your thinking might be like. In my eyes it's not accepting that people can have good will, and that people do have an instinct towards altruism. I've seen how my parents have done things normal people don't, in accepting the concept of charity for no personal gain, and giving things to others that ultimately doesn't improve their own personal lives. I've had periods where complete strangers would live in my own home simply because they had no other place to live, and my parents knew them just enough to know they aren't going to murder/steal/rape us in our sleep. These same people left and have done nothing to help us in turn. Just one example of altruistic behavior I've experienced and know is possible.

>This is probably just you projecting your own female side, which you don't like

My female side is domineering and demands I take control of situations that I don't want to have control over. I've cried over the fact that I'm selfish, arrogant, ignorant, and worse I have no ability to remove any of these things. Only accommodate and accept.

>It's a form of mental hypocrisy of double standards causing a divide where you're shutting out part of yourself and denying it, making you an unfulfilled individual.

Accepting it is also a form of hypocrisy. Why would you instead choose to like something that you dislike? Someone must have to either be broken or truly and utterly hate themselves, or worse, be completely apathetic to their own inner passions to deny that part of themselves. Accepting these things will lead to the worse possible outcome for a man: being a literal faggot, which is equal to a woman being a whore. The particle of apathy is based off of me thinking about what sort of mindset is needed for these people to even accept themselves. The answer is they don't think.

>>1329

>You once before (on meguca I think) admitted that you hadn't made a single complete 0D particle and that all of them were economy particles so I'm wondering what made you so sure this time?

I'll rephrase that question into something more meaningful, since otherwise the only response I can give is

<Nuh-uh I totally can!

>How can taste, touch, sight, smell, hearing, emotion, and aesthetic preferences be real when there is no coherent and absolute difference between the external and internal reality?

The answer: the fact that I can feel these things makes them real, and the fact that I can't refuse to feel them also makes them real.

And to answer another statement more concisely:

>Then this seems to be a moving of the darwinian thinking into the right setting but still not getting to the goal because of remaining on the inside of it

The idea of there existing a competition to begin with is wrong. There's no competition. What is there to win? There's no such thing as a state of failure or winning, since either position can change at any moment. I think your thinking is stuck within the level of competition.

>>1334

>In my eyes it's not accepting that people can have good will, and that people do have an instinct towards altruism. I've seen how my parents have done things normal people don't, in accepting the concept of charity for no personal gain, and giving things to others that ultimately doesn't improve their own personal lives.

This is religious conditioning, meme thinking.

>if I treat people good I'll magically get something in return later

Actual meme thinking, as explained by Richard Dawkins, an idea which spreads. It's like smoking, it doesn't do you any good but you think it does and it spreads. Or alcohol. Everyone is saying it's addictive but I just get a headache from anything that isn't wine and I feel bored after drinking. Going to a party is boring to begin with, then people tell me that you have to drink to make it fun, but drinking in itself makes the boredom worse. This proves alcohol just like cigarettes is a meme. People have accepted this idea that they'll feel good after drinking, but it's just placebo. This has been shown when people have been told they're served alcohol and they start acting drunk, but it's non alcoholic drinks. When told the truth they get upset because they indeed did get drunk from it.

Altruism is the same. It isn't real. You've been told that you'll feel good after doing something pointless and then you believe it because other people seem to feel good about it. Memes aren't instinctual nature other than on the level where humans may have an instinct for creating them.

>>1341

>>1341

>My thoughts on this entire "if it doesn't benefit you it doesn't matter" deal is, there's no substance in this level of thinking. I feel things because I feel them, any rationalization for why I do it afterwords is dumb and inherently wrong. If I want to protect a child, I don't want to protect the child because I believe it'll benefit me in the future in some way, I want to protect the child because I inherently want to protect the child.

>there's no substance in this level of thinking

That's what I said. I said it's a meme with no reality behind it.

If you want to protect the child because you want to, that's your personality. It doesn't support your concept of an innate benevolence in all humans, it only shows your personality contains this.

My personality is based on balance. If I do something and it means a loss, I will naturally have the hole which was created filled up with something similar. Maintaining balance between gain and loss is my personality. It's not intentional for some kind of benefit, as the result is always a return to zero. The reason I do anything at all right now is because of imbalance which needs to be corrected. I don't will this into being, it's a force of nature. Currently things were stolen from me, so I'm taking them back. In the process I get better at it. This is not intentional, but it happens. I was born in a state of loss, in a world which still refuses to balance out voluntarily. This forces me to arm myself and fight the world to recreate balance.

>>1344

>>1343

tl;dr he doesn't conform to your petty morality.

>>1342

>I said it's a meme with no reality behind it.

Depends on how you define reality, or what can be considered real. I believe truth exists in every animate and inanimate object. The expression of truth is different, but the basic ability to have truth is the same. There's a certain amount of mental bending required to deny constants as being real, but I can see some. Even those these conform to my view of truth.

>>1346

If it makes you cringe, it means you care about the concept of someone having a shirt on. He doesn't, neither do I, all I care about is the information he presents. This is why he's shirtless, to prove the morality that people have projected on him is false and unreal. It's a statement that even if he's capable of achieving great amount of intellectual complexity and is capable of understanding topics that require extensive, time-consuming, and ultimately pointless amount of dedication, he didn't do it because he wants to conform to society.

I also have more respect for someone who has developed an aesthetic body and has developed a complex, and more importantly, truthful mind. It's a show of status as well. Someone who wears clothes must instead be ashamed of his body. Having a virtuous and devote spirit, enough drive and passion to showcase your naked body without feeling shame, and also being willing to express one's honest opinion on a subject AND give and show coherent and deep insight into whatever topic, what is more truthful than this? It's a signal that this person is unique not because of any external title or honor, but because he is virtuous in heart and spirit.

>>1347

>If it makes you cringe, it means you care about the concept of someone having a shirt on. He doesn't, neither do I, all I care about is the information he presents. This is why he's shirtless, to prove the morality that people have projected on him is false and unreal.

You do realize that this invalidates all of your own views on morality if applied back at you?

Whatever morality you project to justify hating women and whores, is just

>false and unreal

in your own words.

Let me state something, my understanding of morality doesn't go beyond the range of:

1: It's aesthetically pleasing (beauty in itself has value)

2: It has practical utility (functionality in itself has value)

Where yours, from what I see, goes from:

1: It doesn't exist (I see no value)

So what's the point? I can only understand this argument >>1348 from the perspective of

>What is morality, and if you can deny/affirm it only in specific context what reality does it have in another context?

Which is the same argument as

>How can christianity be real when there's so many other religions out in the world, why believe in something you're born into?

>>1349

Allow me to disagree.

>Being a whore is about letting others define your own values, what your body is worth.

They get to decide their own price, as with any seller or service provider.

>It's shallow and without depth, it has no morality due to completely lacking any morality.

So you're saying it lacks morality because it doesn't have morality. What amazing logic! And if I don't have carrots, it's because I lack carrots. Sounds like a circular argument to me. The implied connection between depth and morality (if there is such an implication?) is entirely fictitious, there is no correlation between the two. Rather I'd say, if a correlation exists it's the opposite. Since morality consists of shallow rules for people to follow mindlessly, someone lacking morality would be more likely to develop depth of personality and independent free thinking.

>There's no beauty in it

I see beauty in it. Maybe you just have shit taste.

>>1350

>A whore has no value in itself

Weird. So why do they get paid?

>shirtless men being uncomfortable to you, and thus bad or evil.

I said it's out of place and detracts from whatever message he supposedly had. From an information design standpoint it's retarded.

Maybe you feeling incomfortable about whores is the reason you think it's bad? You associate your subjective feeling with something external which is unrelated to you and can't be judged by that feeling.

>>1351

>Let me state something, my understanding of morality doesn't go beyond the range of:

>1: It's aesthetically pleasing (beauty in itself has value)

>2: It has practical utility (functionality in itself has value)

So you define morality from an entirely subjective standpoint which doesn't necessarily hold any relevance for anyone else. That's just arbitrary selfishness. I can do that too.

>1: It doesn't exist (I see no value)

>So what's the point? I can only understand this argument >>1348 from the perspective of

>>What is morality, and if you can deny/affirm it only in specific context what reality does it have in another context?

>Which is the same argument as

>>How can christianity be real when there's so many other religions out in the world, why believe in something you're born into?

Wait, you're actually downright admitting here that you see morality as something which cannot be universally applied, but should only be used arbitrarily as you see fit. Good, then we agree. This proves that objective "morality" is bullshit and does in fact not exist. You've handed me the argument.

I'll just call my opinions "morality" then and that means whores have virtue as well because I get to decide. And that mean your morality ends where mine begins. End of discussion.

>>1352

This can very easily become a wall of greentext and replies. I'm going to restate your argument as best as I can, with as much intellectual fidelity as I can, and answer with the best answer I can find. But first I need your acknowledgement of whether my interpretation is valid. I'm, in actuality, unequipped to answer all of these statements. Not in a way you'll find satisfactory.

>There's utility in disregarding morality (tradition in thought) for the sake of uniqueness

>From what basis do you derive beauty from? (You have shit taste)

>Whores getting paid is proof of their (inherent) value

>The feeling of discomfort is the origin of the belief of something being bad

>Morality as subjective and therefore false/irrelevant

There's one statement I can't understand

>You associate your subjective feeling with something external which is unrelated to you and can't be judged by that feeling.

This is either a statement of:

>There is no such thing as a reaction to a stimulus

>A person can't judge something based off of subjective feelings

The more I think about the statement the more it sounds like a statement of "judgement" not being possible, rather than a logical assertion. Do actually be honest, this is me trying to take your line of reasoning seriously. If I do actually find my logic wanting I won't try to run away from it, at least I'll try my best not to. You have to realize this isn't removing myself from my emotional framework, since I believe emotions are objectively real.

Some assumptions:

>You don't value beauty in sight, not in the way I do, but beauty as a sensation

>Sex as an action and a sensation is more important to you than sex as a way of sharing a unique (and intimate) bond

>Your inherent value system is not only different, but different to the degree of being comical/tragic

>>1353

>There's utility in disregarding morality (tradition in thought) for the sake of uniqueness

Personality is what you are at the core of your being, morality is external to who you are and must be given up for you to reach your true self. Personality may be unique.

>From what basis do you derive beauty from? (You have shit taste)

From epic romance as a lifestyle. Romance as the 1800s style in art and culture, not the modern conception of it.

>Whores getting paid is proof of their (inherent) value

Being paid money for something shows that it has value because money represents effort and time put into something, it's investing your life into something. By supporting someone's lifestyle you are giving them value.

>The feeling of discomfort is the origin of the belief of something being bad

Correct.

>Morality as subjective and therefore false/irrelevant

It shows that objective morality isn't real.

>There's one statement I can't understand

>>You associate your subjective feeling with something external which is unrelated to you and can't be judged by that feeling.

>This is either a statement of:

>>There is no such thing as a reaction to a stimulus

>>A person can't judge something based off of subjective feelings

Same as above, if your subjective feeling was used to form "morality", this morality isn't objective, it's subjective. It can't be applied outside of yourself, and this means your projection of morality and what you say is just an opinion, it's not right or wrong in itself.

>You don't value beauty in sight, not in the way I do, but beauty as a sensation

I supppose that's right, my strongest sense is the tactile while my visual sense is the weakest.

>Sex as an action and a sensation is more important to you than sex as a way of sharing a unique (and intimate) bond

No. Those two ways are equally unimportant, unless you include its purpose in the word "action", then it may be slightly more important, but then that depends on what you place in "bond", I think you may be talking about something which is essentially the same thing in two different ways here.

>Your inherent value system is not only different, but different to the degree of being comical/tragic

Different to what? Everyone is different. Yeah maybe it's comical and tragic, that fits into "epic."

Everything I've posted have mostly been objections to what at first seemed like you arguing for the existence of objective morality and a universally inherent benevolence in all beings. You now no longer seem to be arguing in favor of objective morality and your concept of benevolence seems more like personal opinion, so I no longer see a reaons to continue this, as it from my position looks like you adapted to me or rephrased your stance in a way which is now making it seem like you are in agreement with me on the main points.

That is why I said

>end of discussion

in my last post.

You can probably argue indfinitely by using the unclearness created by your concept of reality as inherently subjective while placing the concept of objective within the frame of your own subject and alternating between them to avoid any concise and clear logic locking your thinking in a causal path. If you want to play with that, have fun. I have no interest in twisting things back and forth this way. You now have the choice to either see that this is what you do, and decide which model you believe in as the frame, or you can keep switching between these two levels in your mind for the rest of your life while getting nowhere. I won't be there to do that with you.

>>1355

>Morality is the name given to a set of values and ideas used to maneuver around a world that can't be comprehended through the mind of a human being, a person stuck within the levels of this world and within the level of economics and competition, in order for them not to accrue karma and lose character/spiritual foundation

You already showed me what I was looking for in this sentence, the rest isn't important. This is why I don't need morality. Morality is a map for those who don't know their surroundings. As any map it uses simplifications and symbols and it's not a complete image of reality.

I mentioned to you how I needed to reach the "matrix control" within two months but that I soon after already did. Within every lifetime I started off seeing a smaller area, and as my life progressed I was able to fully expand my view. I would never move outside of the area of clarity, but now I see what this is all about. Other people are very dumb. They don't have any spiritual vision at all and will still with confidence walk out into the world. That's why they come up with "morality." This is actually a realization on an almost incomprehensible level. Of course they'll fucking get in trouble if they do things like that. This the true level of human stupidity. You've said that the vampires are afraid to lose something and won't move outside of their areas. You made this sounds like criticism. You don't get it at all. They don't need morality as a map either, because they see reality as it is. Moving outside of their path would instantly create karma and lead to a loss of virtue, yet you are implying they are cowards for maintaining their course.

The following is pointless in light of this but I'll reply to it anyway.

>Feelings like love, compassion, hate, envy, pride, arrogance, lust, greed, etc are universal, they are expressed in each human.

This is a baseless assumption. You don't know that every other person feels the same things you do.

>The fact that humans share the same general structure

This is not a fact, it's referring back to baseless assumption.

>is proof enough in my eyes of the objective nature of thought.

This exposes how you build sequences of internal logic originating in something very weak. Your entire structure of reasoning can collapse any moment if this is how you do things.

>Sex doesn't have inherent purpose in itself. It's something unexpressed, and it has functions

The function is the purpose.

>my morality came from my own sense of preferences

So it's not universal.

>You've taken keywords like "morality" and "benevolence" and twisted it and formed it into whatever shape you want it to represent.

False. There is no will involved. You're trying to make it sound like a political rebranding of something to make into something it isn't.

>You said it best when you commented that your view of the dagger of benevolence only showed what you wanted it to see, and was thus false (although you didn't admit to it being false)

This is twisting what I said. I said it showed me what I needed to see. It's truthful. I never said the dagger showed anything false either. It shows, truthfully, how benevolence is evil. I already suspected that it was, but you showed it to me in undeniable detail.

>if you think I can be "fixed" or changed. I only develop.

Those are the same things.

Also good night.

>>1356

>Also good night.

I see the energetic structure I want in impart on you, so I consider this a success. I'll go squat and then ruin myself by reading Falun Dafa/crying until I find the solution to whatever problem it presents, and then do something else.

>This is a baseless assumption. You don't know that every other person feels the same things you do.

This is also equally baseless. It's from this baseless thought, removing expectation and attachment, that vision is found. The world can only be viewed from my eyes, and understood through my mind and body, but there's still an external world that acts. I could add in thought, vision, feeling, smelling, hearing, as methods of perception, but that's not as poetic.

>>1356

>Moving outside of their path would instantly create karma and lead to a loss of virtue, yet you are implying they are cowards for maintaining their course.

I call them cowards because they don't want to accrue karma, in making mistakes. So they stay stuck, in their way of thinking, which might be true at their level, might be entirely correct at their level, but is not the whole picture. As someone who values truth, I've realized there's a necessity in moving outside of the sight of clarity. In refusing to remove out of your zone of comfort, in straining and putting yourself under extreme levels of anxiety, you might have limited yourself in a way that was never required. Like with how Boomers refuse to see a world outside of whatever political ideology they have, a vampire will just sit and think they have everything. Victory, ironically, has defeated them. In being unable to lose, you're unable to also progress. This was actually talked about in meguca.

I feel like this isn't the whole picture, but this level of thought is what I've been acting in for a while now. This isn't the whole picture. Criticize it if you want, a new position will come from the insight provided.

>>1358

I don't know. I don't discount social conditioning or memes either, but I have been socially isolated throughout my life either due to my social incompetence or my hatred of the common person. My insights, from what I can tell, derive themselves from a slow collapse inward towards self-discovery. The purpose is to be myself, even if what I am is dirty. I also acknowledge that I see purity in my method of thinking. If I truly hated myself I would be committing myself to more drastic measures.

I placed a new pair of wings representing the dismantling and rebuilding of moral/value systems. It is an actual system, every person has their likes and preferences, being able to dismantle and comprehend it is important, and make adjustments based off of goals is also important. Like the other set of wings I placed, it connects to the 7D section of the body, the upper back where the shoulder blades find themselves.

>>1363

I think you had the wrong motivation when making this but there is no problem in the wings themselves. I made something which works from my view. It's a boomerang. I left one in the study.

>>1364

I'm going to be completely and 100% honest with you in saying, I'm not capable of making into speech the subtle nature of how energy works, or how gong is created, or what qi is, I'm not capable of answering every question and statement of yours with my approach to these things without making a sacrifice in some way, in terms of either information or clarity. Some amount of faith is required in understanding, I'm not retarded, I know what I'm saying, and most importantly, I understand what position you come from, but I see the world in a different perspective with a different set of values and morality. Talking to you might be both fun and painful, but this is a point where I'm not able to write without thinking about every thing, to the tiniest detail and to the most extreme amount of intellectual fidelity I can mentally muster at any given moment. This isn't a fault on your side as much as I don't have the ability to retread my position and start from where I think the misunderstanding has come from, without writing pages of content, and repeating statements like I'm talking to a child. With no offense meant, my point of view sees you as being a liberal atheist trying to find proof in the existence of the supernatural by asking questions rather than feeling and seeing himself, through trial and error. I can make logical arguments, but it doesn't work if the logic is inherently denied as being fanciful and deluded.

I appreciate that you do in fact try to be cordial, I also realize you intentionally try to use rhetoric and crudity to your advantage, but I can't do anything. Rather, I don't think I can articulate my viewpoint in any more depth that I already have. But I'll do it anyway.

Morality is a set of values, a set of positions and "roads" that can be taken to arrive at an outcome. If you want to be nice, it might either come from the personality of being nice, or wanting an outcome that requires "niceness" to exist. From my view, it's born from the void, it's born from the lack of existence. It's baseless. This means, philosophically, that it is it's own basis. This is also what a god particle is. If you disagree with this, I won't stop it. I don't think your mind is angled towards the aesthetic appreciation of knowledge and technical details like I am, so something having no base and being it's own base might sound fucking retarded to you.

>>1365

This works for what it's intended to do. It doesn't do anything to me, however. This looks like the beginning of the wings, from the standpoint of apathy.

>>1366

>my point of view sees you as being a liberal atheist trying to find proof in the existence of the supernatural by asking questions rather than feeling and seeing himself, through trial and error

This is amazing. I've always been an advocate or trial and error as a method. Your view of me appearantly is the direct opposite of what I've stated literally in text during previous exchanges. For some reason, you invert my statements and see me as something very far from who I am. Yes, I do always present a persona online, for opsec reasons, but nothing in it is false in the sense of my personality. I'm only changing the weight a bit to cloud personal identifiers. Personal experience, practical participation, making your own judgments, all of these are the methods I've used and recommended others to use. What you're seeing is some kind of mock image you're claiming is me, but it's not even close enough to function as a strawman or parody.

I do see what the core issue is though, in your text, through the formation of whatever message you intended to express here, (which I'm clueless on, I don't see it) a formation within you which is really the main combatant I've been fighting all this time. The spider in the web, the mastermind organizing all these diversions, constantly and intentionally finding new ways of misunderstanding, misinterpreting and dodging the meanings of the message I've been trying to transmit to you. In the game, the external one, I already said "check mate" a few posts ago. This however is the real opponent exposing himself. I'll find a way to show you what he is and why he's doing what he does, as well as how to beat him on every front, because this is what I set out to do. He's resourceful and skillfull, but, he's wrong. I'm going to show him how and make him understand it. Then I'm done.

>>1367

You should really watch made in abyss in order to understand why I use him symbolically in my posts. The newest movie in specific, even if it is a cam recording at the moment, it's still good. I've watched it twice, planning on watching a third.

To make it clear, I do recognize that you do value trial and error. But in this specific circumstance, in the topic of morality, you have no trial and error. You've just accepted that it doesn't exist.

>>1369

I actually see the problem as being multiple things, and is shown somewhat in the anime Haibane Renmei. The problem is also sort of why I can't enter the lotus position for proper meditation. For context, vampires have sort of neglected the white acidic energy and treated it as something bad. It's only after developing the 5k spike that a vampire can even begin to treat it as something of a metaphysical/philosophical problem. In the same sense, they haven't even started to comprehend the exact opposite.

>>1367

I get the feeling I need to explain why you've not checkmated anyone other than yourself. You've explained your own position, using my words as a basis for your insight (and the basis of your conclusions from that insight), believing me laying out your position as being the same as showing an unmovable solution. There wasn't a checkmate as much as I said a rational argument for why morality isn't real, using what I perceived to be your position. Why do I then keep believing in morality, if there's a rational reason to not believe in it? How do you defeat apathy? The answer is: you've mistaken willful ignorance as an actual solution. In intentionally limiting your point of view, you believe the problem doesn't exist anymore. Morality is a problem of complexity. Just like the argument for

>How can christianity be real when there's so many other religions out in the world, why believe in something you're born into?

Is false, since the entire basis of the argument is "there can be no verification of what is and isn't the correct choice". Atheists will use this to deny religion in it's entirely and also deny anything spiritual in it's entirety. They might just think christianity IS spirituality. It's dumb and short sighted.