d50bbb No.261 [Last50 Posts]
I don't know where to begin and I am not even sure I know the right questions to ask… I should probably back up… I am coming from the Q and /pol/ (now /pnd/) boards. I enjoy the study of the way the world works and those places provided me with much knowledge but I feel as if I have hit a wall both in my research and my life. I have spent my time studying the political and psychological elements of the world and never given much thought to the metaphysical simply walling it off as unknowable with our current technology, but it has become clear to me that there are metaphysical elements to the fight that is going on behind the scenes and that I must study the metaphysical to find the answers I seek. The problem is I have absolutely no knowledge of this subject and there are many risks involved with it. I have stayed agnostic until now because of the unknown risks to the soul (if it even exists) but without taking that risk I feel I can go no farther. The extent of my experience is I have been to a medium once or twice in my life, had a passing interest in ghost hunting in my teens (never actually went out and did it) and owned some tarot cards at one point. (don't think I ever actually used them) That is about it.
After browsing through the threads of this forum I believe I can find at least some knowledge here. From what I think I have been able to decipher you have some kind of meeting room accessed via out of body experiences, a large number of posters are part of something called the "Succubus Collective" and there are at least 2 different types of vampire one of them related to the cabal mentioned by Q but that is about all I have been able to decipher. I am at the stage where I don't even know what I don't know so almost any beginner level resource would be helpful, particularly some kind of resource listing the various methods of the metaphysical,(That actually work. There is so much trash out there.) what they offer and what they cost. It would help point me in the right direction.
I feel like I am going insane for even posting this like I have chased the rabbit too far down the hole. I feel like I might be making a mistake in ignorance but I want to know. For all I know this board is an elaborate LARP and I actually have lost it, but making a fool of myself could be the least of the troubles caused by this. I suppose time will tell…
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1b74f7 No.263
Coming from a mainstream /pol/ context there is a rather simple thing you can do to both challenge your values and achieve a new look on the world. Pick up the old testament, then read this book:
https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=2E1AB8A51285D828398FEEF1D4CB6921
It's just a little over 100 pages but it may completely change your view of the world. You're surely quite deep into the conspiracy theories regarding jews, so why not begin by letting go of that perspective for a week and dive into their view of the world? You'll understand so much more from this seemingly simple exercise.
Embrace chaos, change your viewpoint, it's harder than it may sound. The jews practice magic, most people don't. This is another of the rock, paper, scissors rules of the world: magic beats mundane. It doesn't matter which kind.
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1ad58f No.265
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Hi OP. Welcome. I think this interview will help you along your path, even if you don't immediately understand why.
It's a damn interesting listen, too.
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d3d417 No.268
>>261
Hello, frien.
You're definitely not crazy for considering or investigating this. I'm sure you remember that time when you first started seriously considering these conspiracy theories about the cabal, NWO, and the various interrelated groups and projects. You likely felt this exact feeling back then, as you were stepping into a new dimension of understanding that just "clicked", even though everything about your education and upbringing told you even regarding these things is insane.
You've mentioned the rabbit hole yourself. You sometimes make a big jump downwards within it, but every small step still leads downwards, and carries that feeling of dread of the unknown. Perhaps it was the underground tunnels in Syria, or any other such revelation, small in retrospective, yet significant at the time by just how insane it is to consider from the viewpoint of someone uninformed.
This here is the next big step into the unknown, but it's no less sane or rational than all before it.
Metaphysics literally only means "beyond physics". I'm sure you can agree there are other dimensions beside the physical one.
Thoughts and ideas, for example, are plainly distinct from the physical world.
While you may look at your screen and think "this is a technical implement which displays video signals using an array of pixels", it is, physically speaking, a collection of atoms and nothing more. Even atoms are a bit of a stretch, since they are simply quarks which just so happened to gyrate together. Even those are simply energy perturbations in the scalar field. Even that scalar field is simply a human notion imposed on a reality which doesn't even know what a "notion" is.
This much should make sense to you already. Your entire world either does not exist, or it exists in a separate dimension of its own, super-imposed on the physical world.
Emotions, too, are invariably independent from thoughts and matter, they exist as un-articulate 'states' of some nondescript emotional space. They have no time or dimension, yet they are inseparably linked with the world of thoughts, and the world of matter, both temporally and spatially.
So far, you can see there are many different dimensions of existence independent of matter, which are perfectly real to any human being. And being real to a single human being makes them objectively real.
In quantum physics, no event is decided, unless observed. It is perception by the human consciousness which determines the reality of physical events. Naturally, the mental and emotional dimensions, which we observe constantly, are more real than the physical reality ever could be.
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d3d417 No.269
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Then, experiments such as Masaru Emoto's show that our observance of physical events is not the only thing which determines physical reality. Observing the mental and emotional dimensions directly dictates the state and progression of the physical world.
The physical world, on the other hand, doesn't dictate the state of the mental or emotional one. If you take a box, which could potentially contain any object of appropriate size, and leave it on a table, staring at it an hour every day, the object inside the box will not affect your thoughts or emotions. You will not realize "there is X object within this box" just by virtue of it existing. If it is a portrait of your family, it will not impress itself on your emotions from within the cardboard shell.
It is therefore the physical dimension which is subordinate to the mental and emotional ones.
These are the dimensions we have access to now, as an undeveloped human. We have the physical existence and its chemical drives, the sensible mental world, and the receptive emotional plane.
At this stage, it is important to verify these dimensions, your power over them, and their power over reality.
I'm sure you can control your thoughts and emotions to some extent. You've likely done this unconsciously before, or, if you've been inquisitive since childhood, maybe even developed it into an active skill. Try to suppress pain. Pinch yourself lightly, and focus your intention on washing the pain away, on blocking it from realizing itself.
You should quickly determine that even just that much has impacted the mental world, outside the area of your imagination. For most people, the pain should immediately diminish with just that focused intent. With this, you've just modified your external perception.
You can also do this visually, by focusing on your visual perception, and inducing the sense that certain objects are moving in some direction. The easiest is to induce the sense that walls are breathing, or moving rhythmically.
Once you've done this, you probably understand that you have some degree of control over the mental world.
Enter: ESP.
This umbrella term covers many non-physical phenomena, and I'm sure you're well aware of the CIA's, Mossad's, as well as many other organizations' projects with this.
This is where we verify that we can influence reality with our own thoughts, directly.
The simplest test is verifying influence over a random number generator. There are also things such as remote viewing, and other advanced practices, but they require training, and you should step into the rabbit hole one foot at a time.
https://www. psychic-experiences.com/psychic-tests/telekinesis-test.php is the first utility for this I managed to find with a duckduckgo search. They're all the same, you just focus your intent into the bar going one way or the other. Trained psychics can make up to 90% of the random picks be whichever they choose, but even now, you should be able to achieve a value above the mean deviation, which is enough to get a sense for how this works.
With that, we're done with ESP for now, since we need to understand the theory behind why this is. For this, read a bit on Plato's theory of forms, which I consider the most intuitive introduction to metaphysics. Since this post is becoming ridiculously long, I can continue if you wish. This much should be enough to get over the rabbit hole adrenaline rush, in the meantime.
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378ecb No.276
>>263
this tbh
Bare minimum, knowing how the layers of the world function and how you fit or could fit into it is pretty important.
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9cc456 No.277
>>268
>>269
Please feel free to continue. I have heard of the random number generator thing before but not that psychics could disproportionately affect it. Also, the way you describe the universe reminds me of how it is described in an episode of star trek NG. There is a character simply called the traveler introduced very early in the series in an episode called "Where No one Has Gone Before" (5th or 6th episode of season 1 depending on how you count them) and have always considered the concept introduced by this character to be the best possible bridge between the concepts of science and the metaphysical. I also wanted to note I am intentionally avoiding the use of the terms magic (and it's several different spellings) and occult as I do not know if these are general terms or more specific subsections.
I also could still really use some kind of guide to the different disciplines. There is a board on here that practices something called void and I have also heard the term chaos used.
I also worry about having opened myself up like this that I might be putting myself at risk. Are pentagrams an actual thing for protection? I simply worry about attracting something I am in no position to handle.
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6a2a28 No.279
You might find two books of interest. They touch both on deep state geopolitics of the 20th century and applied metaphysics:
>Penetration by Ingo Swann
>The Time Before the Secret Words by John Vivanco
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a8a432 No.283
>>263
I have a KJV study bible handy. I that translation useable for this or do I need an older translation? I have never given much credence to the bible with it's may self-contradicting explanations for things and have considered any actual wisdom contained within lost knowledge without some kind of key for deciphering it. I will try treating this text as such a key.
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1b74f7 No.284
>>283
It doesn't really matter since what the jews use is the torah in hebrew and the magic is supposedly only in the original exact wording. But you'll be able to understand more of just how badly it's been mistranslated over the years, and how little mainstream christians and jews actually understand of their own books.
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d3d417 No.287
Alright, so, the theory of forms, which is the most basic study of metaphysics, is concerned with how archetypal ideas relate to the world. An example would be how an "apple" is a defined thing, and in an orchard, you can have millions of individual apples, yet none of them is THE apple, they are all fully apple, and fully individual.
That would be a form, an idea which can be embodied by an object. Any recognizable object or thought embodies a form, otherwise it wouldn't exist within our perception.
Now, consider the form of the apple. When thinking about it, you may notice a few distinct features about it, such as the shape, colour, composition, etc. Many of these features can vary quite a bit, such as an apple being red or green, or misshapen instead of round. Neither of those fundamentally make the object cease to be an apple.
As such, you can think of the apple as a super-form, an archetypal idea which can be embodied in many different ways. You can imagine a hierarchy descending from the simplest notion of an apple, to all the various features which can differ in a physical one.
Red and round apples, as well as red and misshapen apples, both descend from the form of a red apple, which itself descends from the fundamental apple.
The fundamental apple, itself, is simply a varied embodiment of a "spherical object", which is an embodiment of a nondescript "object", and on as such.
Every object, and every idea, can be traced back to the simplest idea from which it is individuated.
As such, all of our notions must be able to be traced back to an original, objective idea, which cannot be abstracted any further. That original idea, which exists on its own, is, by the wisdom of all ages, 'being', or, I AM.
So, from being, from the acausal principle, descends what we would call chaos, 'other'. By this individuation, the gate for all subsequent progressions is opened.
From there, things such as space become a thing. Time comes into being. Fundamental principles of reality are coagulated down and down until we get physical matter.
Natural laws of harmony produce mental beings which embody them, and those mental beings exert their influence, finally creating the forms of life, of cells, of virions, of plants and of animals.
All life can be thought to be intrinsically influenced by the fundamental rhythmic laws of our universe, which, in our solar system, are embodied by the 7 astrological planets. This is the music of the spheres, this is what Tesla called the key to the universe, and this is what alchemists of all ages used in order to operate beyond the physical, in the conceptual dimension of things.
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d3d417 No.288
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Humans, though, differ, as they're not descended from the 7 spheres and their energies alone, but also share a direct link with the acausal principle itself, being capable of 'being' on their own. That is what we call a soul, and it is not present from birth, except as the smallest seedling. Transcendental existence must be cultivated from that, and the process of attaining the Absolute is what we call "religion", from the term "religare", or to re-unite. It is the union of the individuated human being with the absolute principle.
I really recommend Hermes Trismegistus' Corpus Hermeticum, which forms the basis of much of internal alchemy. Hermes Trismegistus is the legendary founder of alchemy, and fully explored the world of forms, as well as all concepts of spirituality. Translations are pretty cheap on Kindle, and they fully detail the metaphysical formation of the world.
So, now we see that all of reality is subordinate to the rational mind, that the physical world obeys forms and concepts, and that there is some concept of an origin point, or a Creator, fundamental to reality itself, by logical progression.
Right there is the condensed essence of what magic is. Magic is religion, the human effort to develop the God-Man, the immortal soul. Magic is a two-edged sword, which changes the world as much as it changes the user. Magic is synchronicity, by which you adhere to various principles of being, and enact different effects within your own self and the outside world.
To craft the physical Philosopher's stone and transmute physical gold, you first need the internal Philosopher's stone, the Soul, and you must transmute the mental lead, the animal mind, into spiritual gold, which is that acausal principle, the Consciousness awakened.
There is nothing to fear here, more than there is to fear in a dark forest by switching your flashlight on.
Any terrible things you may find, have been there all along, except now you have a way to fight them.
>>283
Kabbalah is a good study, it describes both the metaphysical progression from the Absolute, as well as the human existence.
Once you are acquainted with a few of the ideas here, I recommend reading the Bible again, I like the RSV best among the English translations. You'll be able to find several layers of valuable meaning in even the most boring of verses.
My next mega-post on this thread will be about various esoteric and occult groups, schools of magic, and the dynamics at play.
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558eac No.290
I am only about 20 pages into the book but there is something else I feel the need to say… I have been reading the other threads on this board and needless to say, it isn't helping my nerves any… Particularly the organizing thread. Talk of creatures that eat humans and one person that got ate but it still around somehow? Cannibalism, ritual sacrifice, the fact most humans are basically used as magic batteries for loosh. One recent poster talks about the impending destruction of the Aryan race and coming from Q and /pol/ that is a big deal. I am trying to learn here and not just freak out as I know I am likely missing so much context here but it isn't easy. A huge part of me wants to just say fuck it and run… It took me days to gather the courage to post the thread…
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1b74f7 No.292
>>290
Calm your tits, you're safe here. The entities watching over this place aren't going to let any harm come to you after you've shown interest. Every person here is treated as a possible future recruit and an investment by them. We're the new elites, creating our own NWO, stay on the inside and you'll be fine.
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378ecb No.293
>>290
Either you commit or return elsewhere, but the worst would be to move forward only to turn back again. Also this >>292
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1b74f7 No.294
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cccc23 No.295
>>292
I don't know what just happened but after I finished reading this a strange sensation hit me. I don't know if I can properly describe it but I will try… A sudden euphoria hit me. euphoria might be to strong a word as the sensation was not THAT intense but it is the best word I can think of to describe it. After that, I could feel myself start to relax and it felt as if a good chunk of the stress in my body started leaving out of my torso and through my limbs and out my fingertips and this sensation lasted a few minutes. That is the best way I can describe it anyway and I can't remember ever experiencing anything like the sensation before… I am still somewhat uneasy but it is nowhere near what it was.
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d3d417 No.296
>>290
I'm the "Aryan doom" poster, as well as the mega-poster from this thread.
The "impending doom" I mentioned isn't due for another 6000 years or so, and it won't be an all-out "doom", but more of a forced transition into another root race.
In the last solar cycle, the Atlanteans were the root race, divided into 7 individual races, much like we Aryans are the root race today, and have dispersed into our varied sub-races.
When the Age of Aquarius ended for the Atlanteans, a combination of natural disasters and mass transport being sabotaged by various groups, meant only a small fragment of the population made it out, led by a man today known as Noah, and settled near the Himalayas, where they interbred with hyperboreans and other fringe races. That interbreeding resulted in us, the Aryan root race.
You mentioned pentagrams before. The pentagram is a symbolic representation of the human, so, on its own, it won't do much to protect. At the same time, there isn't much to protect from.
Unless you start doing goethic evocations, there's few ways for you to encounter dangerous entities.
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1b74f7 No.297
>>295
I'd think it was our guides giving you a hint. I didn't do anything.
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a11a1f No.299
>>265
I finished watching the video and will likely finish the book before I go to bed. I don't think I am in a position to make heads or tails of that video yet but while I was watching it I had an idea.
I know I basically don't know anything yet but the collective that is behind this board is looking to recruit right? Judging by the fact there was not a post like mine when I came on the board I have to assume I am the first that has ended up here at least since 8kun came online. I doubt I will be able to astrally project to join the meeting room any time soon (I have to imagine it takes at least months if not years to be able to do it) and conversation across 8kun is slow so might some other kind of chatroom with more direct text or even voice chat be a good idea? Even if it is kept private such a chatroom might speed up the process slightly. I am likely speaking out of turn here given how little I know but it seems obvious from my perspective. If I am out of line, please feel free to just ignore my suggestion.
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6a2a28 No.300
>>290
Oh it isn’t like that. I was eaten in my imagination, and it was like a cartoon. It’s a vision, and that’s a symbolic act. I was floating inside this being afterwards. It wasn’t anything gruesome or scary. I don’t like gruesome things like cannibalism or abuse of any kind, and I think that’s what humans with a healthy soul should feel about it.
In Tibetan traditions you are at some point dismembered and eaten by demons (again, in vision, not literally) as a way to realize the illusory nature of personal identity. I understand this is actually a bit traumatic though, like a bad acid trip. But it’s the student’s will to undergo these experiences, and they take effort. Nobody goes there unprepared or unwilling (unless you drop acid), so don’t worry.
For a very simple and straightforward summary of kabbalistic cosmology, you might want to read the introductory pages of the book Seven Spheres by Rufus Opus (b-ok.cc).
For a good intro to using imagination as a way of doing magic, I recommend the first lessons (free) on quareia.com (or any labeled as “vision” there) and the Journeying course on runesoup.com (paid but cheap) or simply learning about Carl Jung’s active imagination.
This site has a lot of problems. I can’t post.
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6a2a28 No.301
>>299
Don’t get hung up on how difficult astral projection is supposed to be. Just read this:
https://johnkreiter.com/how-to-do-astral-projection-using-the-mental-projection-technique/
The book advertised at the end is not worth it. Just do that. That’s how I “go” to Gensokyo, and how I see auras and stuff by doing it with my eyes open.
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26df80 No.302
Gotta say it's actually kind of endearing to see you freak out this much. You'll be fine. Also reminds me again how all this is viewed when you're looking in from the outside.
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d3d417 No.305
>>299
Mega-poster again. I stumbled on this board 2 weeks ago, and had no contact with any of the groups involved before then.
I perform the AP exercises and try to get involved in discussion because I enjoy exchanging ideas, and I've been involved in fairly different traditions up to this point.
You're likely just the first completely inexperienced person to find this place.
I don't know anything about the collective recruiting, or anything, but the BO stated several times that they're not closely involved, and it seems the point of this board is to enable practice and learning, and that's fine by me.
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884043 No.306
>>305
>You're likely just the first completely inexperienced person to find this place.
And I'd say that bodes well for him. This board is an offshoot of an offshoot of a bunker of an offshoot of the second incarnation of the “real thing”. To say he's a late recruit is an understatement.
>it seems the point of this board is to enable practice and learning
Besides everything else, these boards have always had an initiatory function. I believe there's an egregore beyond collectives and spirits that sees to this. OP, stick around and have fun exploring the unknown.
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d76471 No.310
>>306
>To say he's a late recruit is an understatement.
All for the better, since many of us have the experience to guide neophytes.
>these boards have always had an initiatory function
This has been noted since the early days of the internet. For the latter part of the 20th century, occult societies, with their involved initiations and deep mysteries, started to crumble from within, and self-initiation through lots of study and trial and error became the norm.
As soon as the Internet became a thing, this egregore of collective Mystery instantly enabled internet forums to act as bona fide occult systems.
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1b74f7 No.311
>>299
>I doubt I will be able to astrally project to join the meeting room any time soon (I have to imagine it takes at least months if not years to be able to do it)
The instructions are made so that it will work as long as you are able to perform the visualizations correctly. It's very simple.
Are you able to imagine an apple? To see in your mind what color it has, how it smells, its texture, what it tastes like? Then you're good to go. It isn't harder than that.
>conversation across 8kun is slow so might some other kind of chatroom with more direct text or even voice chat be a good idea? Even if it is kept private such a chatroom might speed up the process slightly
After spending 18 months sifting through discord for decent people or occult servers I can say that what you're looking for doesn't exist. You'll find large servers with 1000s of people and no one posting or replying to anything other than by referring to
>read these 10 books and take my online course, only $50 per session
or giving you nonsense replies.
Smaller servers may be more active but consists of 90% druggies blogging about their trips and trannies reporting you for saying "nigger."
If you do find a real server it's probably Order of Nine Angles related which gets all members permabanned within 3 weeks for unclear reasons or it's a neo nazi honeypot trying to recruit you to Atomwaffen.
There is a reason this board exists here, despite the unstable website and bad rep of the community. It's just worse everywhere else.
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23ba63 No.313
>>306
I have some theories on why I was picked but until I have managed AP I would prefer to keep them to myself. I will likely make my first attempt in a day or two. I was not able to finish the book yesterday only getting about a 3rd of the way through so I will likely finish it today and make my first attempt tomorrow.
>>311
I might eventually see if I can make something then. Using an older format… I will see what I can cook up. I have been thinking about getting a protonmail account so if I do people will be able to simply give me a burner email and I can send them a link… or if it is possible exchange the info in the meeting room itself.
I also wanted to add something kind of odd that might be related to me finding this board? Normally I was the type to *ahem* "do the deed" at least once a day oftentimes 2x a day but since finding this board that fealing has dropped to almost zero and I haven't done it since posting on the board. I read somewhere on here you guys said that is caused by a type of spiritual parasite so it is possible our benefactors simply removed them from me.
I have also tried offering communication through dreams to our benefactors but not had any luck. I don't normally remember my dreams to start with and I have been having trouble sleeping the last few days (possibly related to the above) so that has not been helping.
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1b74f7 No.314
>>313
If you want to do a guided group session in real time we can use the Skype group:
https://join.skype.com/jqQEfmiEhsPO
It was made for this purpose. The only issue would be the timing.
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d3d417 No.317
>>314
You… did you just post a Skype group on 8kun? I'm pretty sure at one point you could directly get someone's IP through Skype. I'm sure there's ways to chat real-time without announcing your real life identity to everyone on the internet.
Also, AP skype groups are as old-school as you can get with internet occultism, definitely brings memories.
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1b74f7 No.319
>>317
>I'm pretty sure at one point you could directly get someone's IP through Skype
I don't see a way to get it, although if you register for a new microsoft account your real name is put as your username as default at first entry. Everyone used Skype on old /fringe/, I wouldn't think it's a problem.
That said some people I know do shamelessly use their full name and pic but they already have an online presence as youtubers etc and don't give a fuck. It's not like you're safe anyway, anywere you connect will get your IP. Half the people I interact with use both voicechat, post their pics and blog about themselves. I don't see a reason to do that on 8kun but I also don't see what the paranoia is about. Just don't be a fucking moron about what you post and you're fine. No one cares about you anyway.
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6bfe44 No.320
>>317
I am glad it wasn't just me that wondered what he was doing with the skype link… As I said I will try to find a solution if not in the worst-case scenario I could set up a TeamSpeak server or something…
I finished the book figured I should post some observations I had from the book as it might help. I don't know help what exactly but I figured at the very least it keeps the conversation going. I kind of just typed them up as they came to me.
The 4 worlds match to the 4 known forces of the universe, the strong and weak force electromagnetism and gravity.
The way the energy is described as flowing into the universe reminds me of a cell dividing for some reason.
the book argues over why the first letter of the alphabet is not used to start the bible and that is only the first thing they are trying to find insight in a single letter… I am starting to see why people have gone crazy studying this…
Overall, I don't know how much of it I buy into just yet but at the very least it seems more coherent than most modern western faiths. I am also still not sure how this is supposed to lead into things like astral projection, spirits, alchemy and magic spells. I would definitely describe it as a book that should be read slowly though.
I also wanted to mention I posted a thread over on Voat before I came here and while most of it was christsucking there was one gem that showed up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE2ehGDIpGI
I plan on taking a short break and then I think I will try the linked AP method in this thread. Nothing major literally going to just try to go to the next room. I was thinking about placing a scented candle in the room to help better use all my senses. Is that a good idea or could it hurt me in the long run? I will check this thread again before I make my attempt and if no one responds before then you will likely be able to tell if I have succeeded by the number of times fuck appears in my next post.
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d3d417 No.321
>>320
>the way energy is described as flowing reminds me of a cell dividing
pic very related
>first letter of the Bible
I've only got the Patriarchal translation on me, and it starts with L. I've not read Simple Kabbalah yet. Do they refer specifically to the Hebrew Old Testament, or the Greek New Testament scripts? I'll need to look into this.
>not sure how this leads to astral projection etc
Metaphysics for the most part doesn't. There's a point very late down the road, once you've mastered out-of-body projection and even the Jinn state, where you begin working directly with the higher conceptual planes, above the Astral and Mental.
At that point, direct mystical theoria, or gnosis, begins synergizing with your intellectual understanding of the world. I've obviously not reached that state, so this is only my understanding from the writings of ascended masters.
>scented candle
>is that a good idea
Yes. Hindu and Buddhist monks, as well as genuine boddhisatvas, not to mention Hermes Trismegistus, Paracelsus, and other ascended masters, all recommend scenting your room for astral projection. Actual frankincense is preferred, but anything will help.
It's all about getting into a deeper mental state, and maintaining conscious presence all the way into the slumber state.
Buddhist monks used to keep frogs nearby, and Roman magicians would pay good money for crickets in golden cages, in order to focus on the sound when drifting into their trance.
With enough training, you can also keep focused on that white noise you hear in complete silence, and let it slowly increase and overtake you until you've projected successfully.
This is all for full out-of-body projection, though, which i fairly hard to achieve on its own. A very good thing to practice, but it may take months to do.
If you wanna participate in the sessions, remote visualization is enough.
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6e096b No.324
I made an attempt for about 52 minutes (I set a timer) with no definitive success. Inevitably I would get an itch or cramp or something that would force me to move. I also had a hard time establishing a visual in general. I did, however, notice a floaty feeling several times like my proprioception was off by like an inch above me. I will make another 2-hour attempt tomorrow. Should I look up meditation music or would that just make this process more difficult? I was also using the candle unlit at the location not where I was currently. I don't live alone at the moment and I don't want to tip them off to what I am doing just yet so anything stronger than that is currently not an option.
>>321
the 3rd image imediately reminded me of the flag in the pic (it was the only image of it I could find with a quick search) I remember a few articles talking about it being a U.N. space flag of some kind.
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fcccfe No.325
>>301
I likely am calling it by the wrong name but what was linked in the above post is what I tried.
I also wanted to mention I get the general feeling I am not alone with this… I can't explain it but I think there is an entity of some type trying to help me… I consider the total loss of libido mentioned before to bee one indication and I have also noticed a general lack of hunger the last few days. It was 5 hours from the time I woke up to the time I ate and I think it was another 6-8 before that when I had last eaten and I did not really eat because I was hungry but because I knew I needed to eat. I am taking those and some other sensations I am getting as signs and I don't really know if just talking works but I have been trying to give it permission to contact me in my dreams and help me if that is what it wants to do.
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378ecb No.326
>>324
Too much heat can foment itching, try a colder area if it becomes unbearable. Elsewise you'll eventually have to learn to just deal with itches and cramps and pins and needles.
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d3d417 No.327
>>324
>an itch or cramp would force me to move
Meditation practice helps with this. It's all fundamentally nervous in origin, you're depriving your mind of stimulus without properly stilling it first, so it creates its own stimulus.
>I had a hard time establishing a visual
Try practicing visualization during your daily life. If you work at a desk, on your way to work, or during lunch, memorize some area. Observe it from different angles, pay attention to the spacial relation of objects.
When you take a break to stretch and focus your eyes, also take a few minutes to mentally walk around that scene again, looking at different areas, checking out various objects. Pick up something small, like a mug or a pebble or something, and look at the sides you couldn't see in person. Try to see the scene from angles you didn't before. Your mind will fill in all the blanks intuitively.
That intuition is animal in nature, and only uses your own knowledge of the world to make automatic deduction. A pebble near a tree will have some dirt and moisture on its underside.
You will, through practice, train yourself to substitute that animal intuition for a higher synchronous sense.
Your visualization of the room doesn't need to be accurate at first. As long as you can walk around it, that's just fine to start with. The image needs to exist before it can be improved.
Also try to close your eyes and imagine the place you're in. Turn around, look behind you.
Keep doing this until you're comfortable with the process of imagination. After that, external sensing is only a matter of letting go of the animal intuition and rational deduction.
>should I look up meditation music
I never use any, but the only music that harmonizes instead of disrupt are the true classics, I'd go with Mozart. Music is very powerful, and pop music is a sharp blade pointed at your arteries.
>I don't want to trip them off to what I'm doing
If you're renting with flatmates, it shouldn't matter much. For most normal people, it'd be just an interesting curiosity. You can tell them it's spiritual practice for buddhism or whatever, since that's cool for millenials.
If you're living with family, it all depends on how hands-off they are. In most cases it's best not to hide this stuff from them too much, just be tell them you're investigating psychic phenomena to see if they're real. Keeping stuff like this secret is a bad idea, when living with others. People will notice you're seemingly asleep for hours every day, that you're using incense, and you can already forget carrying out alchemical experiments in your bedroom. They'll get suspicious, they'll find drawn sigils, they'll find your herbal tinctures, and they'll freak out much more than if you tell them in advance.
Use the kitchen to process your herbs for fermenting. Talk about your new-found interest in herbal remedies and holistic medicine.
What you need to hide, like sigils and stuff, hide very well.
You don't need to go full wizard with them, and potentially change their view of you, just tell them enough to put any suspicions at rest.
>flag in the pic
That's the seed of life. You can see why they'd choose it, since it's the core of an infinitely self-replicating pattern, much like a civilization colonizing the stars around them.
The seed of life also geometrically illustrates the metaphysical first principle, and the start of creation.
The Void, being the sole self-extant principle, differentiates itself in a primordial dialectic, creating chaos, from which the 7 foundamental principles, the spheres, emerge. From those, the whole universe progresses.
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3e18e6 No.328
>>327
>Meditation practice helps with this. It's all fundamentally nervous in origin, you're depriving your mind of stimulus without properly stilling it first, so it creates its own stimulus.
I might just want to work on this for a while…
>Meditation practice helps with this. It's all fundamentally nervous in origin, you're depriving your mind of stimulus without properly stilling it first, so it creates its own stimulus.
No argument about pop being trash. Almost nothing after 2k is worth it at all let alone on that level not that 20th-century music doesn't have its place.
>If you're renting with flatmates, it shouldn't matter much. For most normal people, it'd be just an interesting curiosity. You can tell them it's spiritual practice for buddhism or whatever, since that's cool for millenials.
>If you're living with family, it all depends on how hands-off they are. In most cases it's best not to hide this stuff from them too much, just be tell them you're investigating psychic phenomena to see if they're real. Keeping stuff like this secret is a bad idea, when living with others. People will notice you're seemingly asleep for hours every day, that you're using incense, and you can already forget carrying out alchemical experiments in your bedroom. They'll get suspicious, they'll find drawn sigils, they'll find your herbal tinctures, and they'll freak out much more than if you tell them in advance.
>Use the kitchen to process your herbs for fermenting. Talk about your new-found interest in herbal remedies and holistic medicine.
>What you need to hide, like sigils and stuff, hide very well.
>You don't need to go full wizard with them, and potentially change their view of you, just tell them enough to put any suspicions at rest.
Without getting into a long story I live with my father and don't want to worry him. I cannot overstate how much of a personality change this would be perceived as compared to just a few days ago and I do not want to go there before I am even sure of it myself.
btw I wanted to thank everyone here for being so friendly compared to a normal chan welcome. I apologize if I am oversharing but I literally know nothing at this stage and you guys are basically my eyes and ears on this until I can find my own bearings so I really don't know what to make of even the smallest stuff. As such, I feel it does no good to keep my theories as to why I was invited here to myself…
While I obviously don't know if enchanted weapons are an actual thing or not I have to assume they are. I am currently studying to be a gunsmith (and eventually planing on going into manufacturing my own stuff) and there is a shortage of gunsmiths as it is. How many gunsmiths worldwide do you think are producing enchanted weapons? I am willing to bet you can count them on one hand. My best friend is a GFX artist and I planned on showing him the way in once I have something that I can take to him that's more than a gut feeling. Combined him, me and a CNC machine and I think you get the point. Based on what I am reading here the collective is gearing up for a takeover and for that at least when it comes to the normies you need guns at least at some point. In addition, I have only ever wanted 2 things out of my life, A companion and a purpose in the coming war for western civilization. The collective is potentially in a position to provide both. I might eventually desire further enlightenment on this path but those 2 things would do me for a long time. As long as people are not unreasonably unhappy (as they are with the current world order) and allowed to find enlightenment if they so chouse I don't really care if most of humanity is used as magic batteries as 90%+ are too stupid to find enlightenment anyways and are happier to be sheep. I will work for anyone who meets those criteria. I also have a Jewish mother if that has any bearing. I have no formal Jewish education though. You can imagine how awkward that has made hanging around white nationalist forums and /pol/.
Also unrelated but I was looking up TeamSpeak and a server would only be $55 a year for 64 people so I would not mind hosting but I don't currently have a computer to turn into a server (I might by next yeat though)
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3e18e6 No.329
>>328
year* oh man what a typo… lol
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1b74f7 No.331
>>328
>I also have a Jewish mother if that has any bearing. I have no formal Jewish education though.
Do you speak/read hebrew? Either way this makes it even more important to get an understanding of how much jewish kabbalistic thinking controls the current west. Do I have to mention that we are using a 7 day week based on their books? Even if the names of the days are from nordic paganism, you're still practicing or in some way supporting this world order by using the calendar, by thinking about it and referring to it.
When you have it in your DNA, this becomes a way to also understand yourself, why you think and feel the way you do and how you interpret the world around you.
No one would think it strange, right? Use this opportunity to learn more.
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7c706f No.332
>>331
No. I have been doing everything I can to reject that part of my heritage given my politics.
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d76471 No.333
>>328
>wanted to thank everyone
Nothing to thank us for. We've all been at that treshold before, and some of us had to sift through mountains of worthless theories and dead ends before even beginning to get a grasp of this stuff.
Meeting someone with spite and dismissal in a field as obscure as this is simply silly. Keep in mind that even considering the occult puts you in an extremely small demographic, so occultists tend to help each other out.
>enchanted weapons
This is a very interesting field of enquiry and one I've wanted to get into for over a year now.
You'l find that enchanted weapons are actually a common thing, for example the Russians have monks bless their assault rifles and missiles, which in an Orthodox country makes them incredibly powerful.
Did you think Kalashnikovs can fire until they melt just because of engineering?
You can think of every AK as belonging to an egregore of the weapon, and people's peeception of the weapons as being legendary largely makes them so.
You can get way deeper into this, of course, through alchemy, such as by incorporating electrum magicum and integrated program arrays, but you'd need a fully featured metalworking shop for that.
>I also have a Jewish mother
The semites are the 3rd branch of the Aryan root race. You're as Aryan as a pure, blue-eyed, blonde German.
The problems with the semites is that they've practiced various destructive forms of cult over the ages, and this has embedded itself into their lineage to some degree.
You can think of this as more of a generational curse than an actual genetic issue.
Know yourself, and you'll be fine.
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d76471 No.334
>>333
Apologies to everyone for this low-quality phonepost btw, I'm on break at work.
Tbh feeling pretty disgusted with myself for not having any quality materials on hane to include.
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893590 No.335
>>332
I have Jews in my maternal line as well, and honestly I couldn't care less about anything political. They were non-practicing political refugees and were not for a cousin of mine that heard their story, I wouldn't even know of their being Jews.
You would do well to understand the spiritual worldview of your heritage, whatever it is, because like it or not it's likely there are spirits that look out for you or simply observe you that belong to that tradition. And seeing you dismiss a whole millenary culture because of the acts of a small money-grubbing elite is likely to case a few disappointed shaking of heads from them. You're probably missing out on free help.
>>333
>The semites are the 3rd branch of the Aryan root race
That includes Arabs as well then? As far as I can tell, I am mostly caucasian and semite (from all sorts of Mediterranean sources). Can you post more details on this root races thing? I vaguely remember reading something about the white race, the red race, the black race and the yellow race or something like that, but it seemed like a rudimentary attempt at genetic categorising more than anything. Is that it? I don't remember where it was.
>>328
>I apologize if I am oversharing but I literally know nothing at this stage and you guys are basically my eyes and ears on this until I can find my own bearings so I really don't know what to make of even the smallest stuff
Don't worry. But I recommend you grab the few threads you've been given so far and start pulling them and finding your own lessons. We all have beings nudging circumstances at key points to make sure we stumble upon them.
>While I obviously don't know if enchanted weapons are an actual thing or not I have to assume they are
https://youtu.be/Aos0hnwiHt8
The whole thing is interesting to consider, but 5:00 is relevant to this.
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d76471 No.336
>>335
I'm basing my view mostly on ancient Mayan teachings on the subject, but I'll give a detailed run-down on the subject once I'm done with work and gym.
There's a few writers from the Gnostic-Hermetic tradition that went pretty deep into this, and they expand on the Mayan ideas.
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1b74f7 No.341
>>335
Technically speaking, aren't all (western) whites semites?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people
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59d856 No.354
>>333
It is funny you mention the AK as I have always preferred it over the AR and no one has been able to convince me otherwise as I have never felt like the AR was a poor attempt to make an assault rifle out of something that was never intended to serve in that role while the AK was perfectly made for it. It will likely be 5-10 years before I am in a position to produce anything substantial but I know in terms of the timescale we are dealing with that isn't much time at all. This does tell me my hunch is likely right.
>>341
This… This is interesting… I did not know that it ever referred to all-white peoples at one point let alone that the change in definition was so recent…
I also did later decide to talk to my father as the more I thought about it there was no way I was going to square that circle… Needless to say, he is freaked out a little bit after what I told him. I left out the parts about the astral worlds being depicted in fiction and the fact I think I have been contacted by a succubus as I did not want to freak him out further. He is already worried I am joining a cult or something… He told me to talk to my mother about it as she is more "into this kind of thing" I have yet to have that conversation as I am waiting on her to call me back and will talk about it here after. Then I will likely go meditate for 2 hours. I feel like I need to get my body used to the extreme level of focus required before I try to do anything with it. BTW no one said anything about that floating sensation I mentioned during my first attempt and I really don't know what to make of it. Is it what I am looking for so is it a bad sign? I am totally 100% in the dark here.
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08b53f No.355
>>354
*always Started out typing one sentence and finished it another way and never went back to fix it.
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a87d80 No.366
Fuck it… I am going to take a slight risk here… My discord is Paladin#0383 I just changed it so it would be different from my other accounts and attached to a burner email and will change it again sometime in the next 48 hours but for now if someone wants to make contact that way go ahead.
I am a little overwhelmed TBH as I feel like I am being told to run before I even know how to walk… I am not trying to sound ungrateful or anything, it is just frustration…
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f6b713 No.371
(saged because this post and the last 3 posts are all mine and I don't want to spam.)
I wanted to go over a few things since my last post. First, one of you contacted me and helped me better understand what I was supposed to be doing. I still think it will be a little while before I end up doing a group session but I at least know what I am supposed to be doing now and my problem was I was expecting something different and I was overthinking it. (neither of these things even come as a surprise to me) Also in talking with them, I came to realize I have come in contact with at least 2 different spirits recently, one of them months before I ended up on here and I don't even remember what else I have dismissed in the past that might have been something. I also had another experience tonight (why I am awake posting this) and the following is how I would describe it…
I "woke up" sometime around 2-4 am in the fetal position around one of my pillows. there was a fairly pleasant sensation all over my body. I got the mental image of a Charizard or something similar and the words "one emulsion" also popped into my head. I would not describe the state I was in as awake but I was not fully asleep ether. the reason for the large time gap is I am almost sure when I first opened my eyes it was 2 something but when I looked again it was almost 4.
I still think it would help me a lot to know who the players are. I know about the succubus collective and read a little of the blog linked in the other post but there are still as many questions as answers. I have also seen a group called the order of the nine angels mentioned but nothing past that. I don't even know the name of anything else. I am used to geopolitics so knowing these organizations and their beliefs would help serve as something of a map that I can use to navigate to a more detailed study of different subjects.
I was also thinking about acquiring frankincense to aid meditation. Is there anything else I should consider acquiring? I don't have a ton of money at the moment so just give me some basics. Also is an essential oil diffuser sufficient or do I need true incense? Someone also mentioned starting a garden earlier and it is funny that was mentioned as I was actually planning on doing that and will likely have some extra growing space if anyone has suggestions.
I have never tried lucid dreaming but I get the feeling it might be a better starting point for me as if I can use it to contact the entity that has been helping me it might start pointing me in the right direction on my own. I mean it is kind of a meme at this point so I have to imagine it is easier. I read somewhere apple juice helps with lucid dreaming so I will pick that up and see if I can find a guide to lucid dreaming and try it unless one of you wants to link one.
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954444 No.374
>>371
The state between sleep and wakefulness is called hypnagogia or hypnagogic state, its probably my favorite state to do stuff, you can use it to project somewhere, percieve things around you and all sorts of stuff. Lucid Dreaming is great too, go for it.
As a beginner I think you should try sigils and candle magic, its where a lot of us start.
Here are a few recommendations of mine.
I recommend the book Franz Bardon - Initiation Into Hermetics.
https://www.youtube.com/user/densityspider/feed
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXof5qOOz5vl6Slf_YPqA9A/featured
https://www.youtube.com/user/deosilwiddershins/videos
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1b74f7 No.375
>>371
Order of Nine Angles, compilation of all docs:
https://mega.nz/#!LOZnzahK!OUrJjNlEKb19Vpz-VxiJd7X6a0Vn7VUHA3xZqsEO6eo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Nine_Angles
They're quite often talked about but actually meeting them online or irl is more difficult. But if you ask in the server you were invited to, you may find at least two active members… They operate in small groups called nexions and usually you'd have to get to know them personally to connect with them. Because of this they've been given this mysterious status in rumours. How much is actually true, that's something for you to determine yourself.
Point to note is that ONA tends to be female dominated, with some nexions being all female or having female leaders, which also makes it stand out among occult societies. Throw in some nazi aesthetics and you have a mix attracting researchers and creating an air of something undefinable.
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1b74f7 No.376
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bd6423 No.377
>>374
I was talking to someone over discord about this actually but I think it will be at least a few months before I attempt something on that level. Someone else walked me through my first AP and forgot to teach me grounding so my guts were in knots for like a day till someone else taught me. I am still trying to make sure I maintain a ground whenever I think of it as it got so bad.
>>375
>>376
Don't you think these guys are a little extreme as a starting point? I am not totally writing them off but wouldn't looking into something more on the neutral end of the scale be smarter to start with?
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a2cd01 No.378
>>324
>I did, however, notice a floaty feeling several times like my proprioception was off by like an inch above me
This is a very good sign. Don’t get too hung up on the notion of “moving out of body” though. The only thing you are moving is your center of awareness. Sensations like this only symbolize that. If you start getting cockblocked by the feeling that you can’t get “out” of your body, remember that when you recall memories or imagine things, you are doing it. It’s just a matter of how much awareness is in your body and how much elsewhere. Like moving water between two glasses. Intention is the thing that moves it, no “astral muscles” or anything like that.
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5a824e No.379
>>377
Can you tell more about what they exactly taught you? Just curious.
>>378
Also this. A complete OBE isn't worth the risks so stick with this.
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a2cd01 No.380
>>377
For a non political board, the BO seems a bit obsessed with this group. I think he has a thing for right wing extremists and being dominated by women
There is value in some of the notions they have about initiation (breaking conditioning), so it might be interesting to read some of it. In the end, however, it’s not that different from reading Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson and doing the exercises he proposes in there. Much safer and easier, as it doesn’t require you to become a hobo or murdering people just for the sake of it.
Once you understand the kind of conditioning you’ve been subject to, you can work by your own guidelines.
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1b74f7 No.381
>>377
>Don't you think these guys are a little extreme as a starting point?
Form your own opinion by checking out their materials. It may sound extreme but it's been suggested that the rituals are a form of trolling to keep idiots out and shouldn't be taken literally, same with the "Read Siege" stuff.
You could say the same about mainstream religions, the bible tells you to kill people if they break the laws it presents. Do you also take this literally?
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1ad58f No.382
>>381
Interesting point. What is your opinion on VK Jehannum?
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1b74f7 No.383
>>382
>VK Jehannum?
At first it felt like he was in contact with something significant but over time his interactions with different entities have turned really shallow. I understand they're just coming to him to market themselves to his followers and that's fine. But him? He's little more than a megaphone by now. If he had an endgame he lost it somewhere along the way. i.e the quick buck took over
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23ba63 No.398
Just so people know I changed my discord name again so the tag in the thread will no longer work.
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81a6c6 No.524
A lot of things have happened since I last posted. I stopped posting due to some drama that happened on discord. In the interest of the privacy of the parties involved, I will not be discussing that here. I will, however, summarize the important bits. I was guided through my first Astral Projection session and It was later determined that I was contacted by a fire elemental. I have done more research and tried more sessions not really getting anywhere until last night a miscommunication between me and someone else had me join in a session where energy was painfully being channeled into them as part of a succubus collective ritual (I don't really know the details) I asked to join because I had heard that pain is the fastest way to open psychic pathways. I can definitely see better than before I think I grew succubus wings on the astral as a result of the ceremony. I should also mention I think I was given an artifact by Aphrodite and contacted by her husband Hephaestus in a dream.
My main goal right now is to improve my astral sight to where making connections is no issue at all and I can communicate with others that way reliably through the meeting room. (I should likely also be digging into telepathy but I haven't yet) I have also been told that with the fire elemental around I should be able to practice summonings fairly safely and would like to learn more about different kinds of spirits. Any useful information about this stuff would be appreciated.
One of the groups I have heard talked about a lot but I am hesitant to contact is the vampires. I have been very hesitant to contact them as their depictions in most cultures are almost always negative compared to groups like for example the kitsune that are far more balanced in there portrayal. I have seen some users on here suggest that vampires only eat negative energy so I am interested in learning more about them as a whole.
Other groups that have caught my attention are the kitsune and Stheno so I would love more information on them but literally any information on any group is appreciated.
I have also been told I need to start putting together a grimoire and that it must be handwritten. (a pain in the ass as all my logs and notes are digital)
Finally, I have been wondering about my alignment both what it is and what direction I should take it. I worry that taking part in the succubus ritual might have already thrown my alignment out of the center as I have been trying to stay there until I understand more about them. Any information on tantra or any other type of alignments would be appreciated.
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916455 No.525
I also forgot I have started collecting some sigils and have no clue how to use any of them. I think I just draw them out and project my intent if I am not mistaken?
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a8a7b3 No.545
bump as this got buried by a bunch of new threads.
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280c59 No.570
Last night I practiced channeling for hours and think I have had some success in talking to Amber. (My Fire Elemental) I still don't know how much of the channeling was me and how much is her. I started out using my keyboard and just doing a simple y/n deal for yes-no questions. I then asked if handwriting would be better and she told me yes so I switched to that. I did get a few sentences but 90% of it was yes or no and I have to assume that is simpler for her given my inexperience. I also noticed I tend to "hear" the response in my head before writing it out a lot of the time and was able to speed up communications several times by asking her if it was what she was going to have me write. I also tried diversifying the learning threads across the board as I have reason to belive some of the inital posts on the Magic 101 thread were created by a hostile actor.
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de316f No.651
>>263
Newfag here, also from /pol/, what would you recommend to someone trying to find an alternative to Abrahamic paradigms? I also hate the Jews and Zionists, that's why I ask; I obviously don't want to use their systems, and would prefer pagan ones (many used to practice magic before the introduction of the Christian hegemony from Rome). Anything else is fine except that in my mind, Eastern or Western, I'm just unsure where to begin. I won't judge you for using it, it really just doesn't sit well with me knowing the elite work with that too, nor could it. What's a different sort of practice that gets good results?
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0e43eb No.652
>>651
Read The Lost Secret of Death by Peter Novak. By the end of it you will hopefully understand why I recommended it and what to do next.
In parallel, go to montalk.net and start reading. This will help you understand what’s the deal with the religions you mentioned and to start weening off that heavy use of labels that constricts and guides your mental narratives. Good luck.
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1b74f7 No.653
>>651
Try eastern religions for reference. There's a kundalini book and the main book of Falun Gong, Zhuan Falun, posted in the library thread.
If you want to start with something more light weight to get a feel for it, try Tao Te Ching.
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de316f No.681
>>652
>>653
Apologies for the late reply, thanks for the suggestions though. For a while, I've figured I may have to abandon the so-called "heavy use of labels" in order to truly delve into this. To me it's clear that mainstream and mundane understandings of things are totally misguided and fallacious. I've thought more about sucking it up and just digging for some sort of "prisca theologia" out of esoteric knowledge, regardless of its author's paradigm (although preferably within systems I like more). I recall from back in my fundie Protestant days a statement I once read by John Calvin (I think) against the Anabaptists who argued that Catholic baptisms were invalid because Catholics were heretics, where he stated something to the effect of "Baptism, though it may be administered by the devil, is every bit as valid if it is still done in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." While I'm no longer a Christian by any means, I think the same sort of principle probably applies here, where even if it comes from an enemy, wisdom is wisdom nonetheless. I've become less dogmatic about it, that's for sure, yet I'm still going to try to avoid learning from their systems for the time being, just as a matter of principle; especially with the Ritual Abuse (although I'm uncertain if it's truly "satanic" or if it's something else, I just know it happens) done by the elite, I'd prefer not to follow them.
In any case, one thing I've been interested in for a long time is spirit communication. Are there any particularly good reads regarding how to summon or channel spirits I should look into? That's something that's fascinated me for a while.
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0e43eb No.686
>>681
>mainstream and mundane understandings of things are totally misguided and fallacious
Yes. You have no idea. From personal experience I can tell you that even if you know this, don't dive too fast into the rabbit hole because what passes for values and morals for most of us have nothing to do with how the universe and the spirit world at large actually is. You need to step into a literal alien mindset as you progress with this, and if you go too fast the shock can be detrimental to your progress.
>any particularly good reads regarding how to summon or channel spirits
Besides what you can find on your own, reading one of the Seth books and the first half of the Law of One material (free online) will give you insight into what channeling looks like.
That said, there's a lot of smoke and mirrors in channeling. Don't believe everything even if the spirits themselves believe it.
Watching Bashar videos might be useful too. As for the techniques themselves, almost any new age how-to book will do. Bear in mind the people who write those books are usually prey to deceitful or deluded spirits, but that's a separate issue.
There's a small segment in The Magus of Java that sheds some light into channeling and spirit communication as well. The book is very interesting in general, too.
Runesoup has premium ($10/mo) courses about ancestor worship, saints and grimoire magic, all dealing with evocation in a different way. I know there's plans of an angels (I assume Enochian) course, too.
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0e43eb No.687
>>681
https://mega.nz/#!9MgVDDIZ!yt9lkw9jF1CjFFr9cf17fvKDO7tjGGOBwTwvIJHrJws
This book might help with spirit communication and everything in general regarding spiritual practice.
Also quareia.com
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de316f No.695
>>687
>>686
Thanks again for the suggestions, much appreciated.
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76f729 No.806
My friend,my truth seeking has lead me down many paths but I have been ultimately interested in discerning the whole spirituality concepts, between ERPs, misinformation and the real deal. I approached the Q movement from this perspective.
The thing about this is that the Q operation is on the front lines of the spiritual war.
I would say it is not wise to begin your spiritual seeking within that context.
Step away from the front lines.
Seek within yourself, go out in nature, quiet the fits of analysis, expand. Breathe, be one with the universe, feel it in your heart. This is your center. I find that taking time to recenter yourself like this is important if you are to take thought and try to explore the the capabilities of astral projection and such..
Careful with who/what you share your energy with. I would check any information like this with your inner discernment and ask yourself things such as "does this practice require me to give up my creational abilities or will to someone else's ideals?"
If you venture out and explore and have fun with the concepts involved do be sure to keep yourself alligned with your true self in your heart and remember you are an eternal being with creational prowess and if you ever feel that what you are experiencing is limiting your hearts creative abilities you may always reconsile within and take a new path/higher perspective.
I have never posted here on 8kun before, but I hope this reaches you and I would suggest a book entitled Hands of Light by Barbara Anne Brennan, this book is a great place to start as it has much information on alligning yourself and healing through the HEF (human energy field, has many different names in different cultures)
Here are a few links that I believe would help you have some reference points for you to explore:)
www.silverlegion.org
www.andromedacouncil.com
www.simonparkes.org
Enjoy!
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21c93b No.2930
Good evening.
I seem to have also found myself here after much reading and exploration. Prior to finding this board, I've always had an interest in the occult but have never really had any occult interactions, no matter how much I tried howbee this thread and your story gives a greater insight into the forces at play. I too wish to learn and have a similar background coming from pol.
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1b74f7 No.2933
>>2930
Welcome! Take a look around and try some of the exercises posted on the board. It's all meant to be usable by anyone interested without prior experience.
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5c5c90 No.3006
>>261
I recommend reading Aristotle and Plato, whose basic theories of forms are pretty instrumental in understanding metaphysics. Take time out to learn about concepts like the principle of sufficient reason, and read Kant and Schopenhauer. Tao Te Ching is a worthwhile read too, and will give you some spiritual context.
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53e0cf No.3036
>>3006
Mother of all necroposts. In the 7 months it took you to contribute to this thread, the person in question was fully initiated and is already a decent occult practitioner.
Solid suggestions for anyone just starting out, though.
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816536 No.3122
>>3036
Just 7 months is quite a feat. What system do you work with?
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db27d2 No.3164
>>3122
The closest thing to what I work with would be hermeticism, with heavy emphasis on energy control and mental training in the early stages.
I use a specific symbolic system centred around the ego as the main unit of existence, and progress past the initiatory stage is attained through philosophical insight and separation from external entities.
The whole system developed organically as I took the fundamental parts of each system I studied to create a comprehensive ontological model, which serves as a basis for all operations, occult and otherwise. As a system of magic, it isn't limited to ceremony and metaphor, I use it everywhere from programming to bodybuilding.
Being a holistic theoretical system above all, insight into one area often opens up paths of investigation and development in seemingly unrelated fields.
Alchemy is practiced in its unchanged medieval form, albeit with a non-formal astrological framework, and I still consult the kabbalah from time to time, specifically the sephirot for insight into planetary correspondences, and qlipoth for an alternative model of the ego.
Despite all that, I'm very reluctant to even mention anything of it to the uninitiated. I nearly drove OP insane by delving too quickly into the mysteries of the Self, and just barely managed to reverse the ego death before deciding I've gotten all I could out of the mentorship.
Weak-willed people are especially at risk of this.
I should mention I haven't been the only person offering guidance, the BO was also teaching the magic system they use on this board. That, and my mistake of allowing extended contact with an elemental entity, mean OP hasn't followed my system too closely. I'm slightly concerned about the results of that spirit interaction in the long-term, and I might actually check up on that.
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