bd66e9 No.38 [Last50 Posts]
This thread is for discussion of the methods to learn different levels of astral travel, including:
viewing other places during meditation
interacting with astral locations
movement on the astral using a body existing over there
manipulation of your own location within the world system
timeline shifting
physical teleportation
physical astral travel
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bd66e9 No.39
Viewing other places during meditation
This is mostly a matter of clearing your mind and letting the images come to you, using your soul's vision. It's no different from thinking about something or bringing up images from memory, except you bring up images from other locations, on the astral or otherwise. This sigil links to a spell which aids the opening of this ability. It's a "spell network" so the more people use it, the better it will work.
Interaction with astral locations
This is fairly simple and can be performed pretty much right away, as long as you have a clear image of the thing you want to interact with. Visualizations can be used for a beginner to take part in this, under the condition that proper instruction is given. To learn it on your own, complete the step above first.
After you have a correct representation of the location and its artifacts and assets, you can interact with them by changing the visualization. Such as seeing an object and then visualizating yourself picking it up.
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bd66e9 No.40
movement on the astral using a body existing over there
This step has been explained in the pastebin "body and paradise creation"
https://pastebin.com/6VNvS3dv
It can be performed quite easily and serves as a standard function on the astral, so it may not seem like a big deal. But the real obstacle here is the movement of your soul's awareness completely to the astral body. That part of the process will take time and effort. See coming stages.
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bd66e9 No.41
manipulation of your own location within the world system
If you've ever seen these iron age stone labyrinths, you've been to a suitable location to learn this. These stone spirals have been literally said to be portals to another world.
Usage: walk from the entry point into the middle without cheating. Stop in the middle and if done correct you already shift to another kind of setting. This does not change your physical location visually, but it changes your connection point within the world system, aka the world egregore. You do not need to find one of these but if you live near one, take the chance and use it!
Otherwise, find a location where the energy streams, ley lines etc are beneficial and perform a spiral walk from a large circle into smaller and smaller. Stop in the middle and if you feel the world shift around you, it was a success.
timeline shifting
Requirement: having performed the spiral walk above. Find a location suitable for this, which most likely isn't in the same location as the labyrinth. Stay on a spot and spin your body around until you activate this ability. This is the entry point. To actually switch between timelines, you need to find breaking points where time ends and begins. These are physical locations. Again, observe things like roads, animal trails, water streams, vegetation. These all give hints. Through this method you can realign the course of your life.
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bd66e9 No.42
physical teleportation
The end skill among physicals. Iron agers supposedly knew about this or had practitioner of this level of skill among them. They marked suitable gate locations with these stone ships. It's possible the two ships seen in one of these example images is a practice site for teleportation from one ship to the other.
physical astral travel
The real deal. After mastering all step above, you can now move into the astral while wearing your own physical body. At this level of skill, the main obstacle is your attachment to the physical. Your desire for food and other physical interations will pull you back again and again. If you can complete this step, you can now live indefinitely within the body you made before and travel freely.
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17012c No.43
>>41
> you need to find breaking points where time ends and begins. These are physical locations. Again, observe things like roads, animal trails, water streams, vegetation. These all give hints.
Care to elaborate more? What kind of hint exacly would I be looking for? There are tons of vegetation, roads and even streams. How can I tell a point where time ends/begins or a layline? There must be more to it than just a crossroad or animal trails or whatever.
About the spinning, can I spin in any random place or does it need to be one of those special points that I need to find? I have seen a guided astral travel video by Teal Swan which was about meeting your animal spirit and she had you spin in the beginning too. I tought it was just bullshit.
>>42
>physical astral travel
As I learned this is the end game for real vampires because they are immortal in their physical body and merged with it. Is it possible to at least change your physical body in the astral to however/whatever you like it to be? Otherwise if you'd like to appear as something/somebody else and not your shitty human appearance you had to astral project with another made energy body while already being in the astral with your physical body. Wouldn't it just suck…
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bd66e9 No.44
>>43
>Care to elaborate more? What kind of hint exacly would I be looking for? There are tons of vegetation, roads and even streams. How can I tell a point where time ends/begins or a layline? There must be more to it than just a crossroad or animal trails or whatever.
You have to observe the structure of what you are seeing. The natural world looks like a mess but it all conforms to the same patterns over and over again. In moden cities with large planning, it may look like they didn't align to anything ancient. Or did they? You're probably aware of the conspiracy theorists looking at city maps and seeing pentagrams, hexagons and all sorts of things. If you do live in a city, there are parks and other wild areas left alone, and there are weird road crossings or abandoned locations. All of this is for a reason. Humans have spirits and they can't go against the energy streams just as animals can't.
But you have to get out there and look yourself. Walk along a trail and take in the feel. Is there a stream crossing it? Are there a certain number of houses along the road? A spirit built this, it has to align. The human body is the model for everything, so look for corresponding locations. You'll build up your sensitivity and then suddenly realize that this is a machinery of an enormous scale, and that if you just put some force here you can make it obey you. That's what people did to identify these locations marked with stones in the past, there are no shortcuts to it.
A suggestion however would be to call on the aid of our mascot and guide Yuuka, using the meeting room.
>>3
Any spirit of nature can be your guide here, but there is no gain in fumbling along on your own when you asked in a place set up as a hub for guided sessions and spirit interactions.
>Is it possible to at least change your physical body in the astral to however/whatever you like it to be?
The physical body should preferably be in your soul's image, which is close to your current appearance already. What can be done is a gender switch, or other physical changes such as muscle growth, bone structure correction and gaining or losing fat. It's reduntant to say that physical traits as such are useless on the astral, but exercise and fitness will also change your energy level, and increase your self control and awareness. The physical body is rather limited and should best be in a human form on the astral. Changing it into an animal has no benefit, the limitation is in its narrow reach - it can only travel within the closest 9 dimensions. After that you need the fully astral body created above. Your physical body can quite easily be transformed into a diamond and worn like a necklace on the astral.
Buddhists and taoists place a lot of weight on this transformation but in my opion this is a result of flawed analysis. Transforming the body itself is piece of cake. What keeps you from using it for travel are your physical attachments.
The entities guiding us here do so for mutual benefit. They have everything over there except one thing - the physical body. They want to create one and keep it as an artifact too, as this would increase their magical abilities and allow them free access to the human world.
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17012c No.45
>>44
Thanks for the explanation. I might already know such a place, next time I'll do something there.
Its kinda mind boggling to me why exactly Yuuka is the mascot and guide here when there would be imo much more popular and better suited 2hus (Yukari, Reimu), but hey, if that's how it is then that's how it is. I bet the reality is quite different from the art anyway. See ya.
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ebbad0 No.48
>>41
>manipulation of your own location within the world system
If this does not change your physical location, what does it do? What does it mean to "change your connection point within the world system, aka the world egregore"? What are the practical implications of this?
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ebbad0 No.49
>>44
>the physical body should preferably be in your soul's image, which is close to your current appearance already
A friend of mine who is fairly clairvoyant told me that astrally I looked like a taller, leaner and wiser version of myself. Which makes sense. It's almost as if our physical expression was a diseased mirror image of our soul.
Thank you for creating this, by the way. I was aching for it.
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bd66e9 No.54
>>48
>What does it mean to "change your connection point within the world system, aka the world egregore"?
You are connected to certain people and locations through your habits. To make new connections these energy streams must be changed. Usually you must disconnect one to add another one. It's a way to change the material connections in your life.
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dc0b51 No.56
>>54
Then it is similar to /r/randonauts and the Fatum Project (https://randonauts.com/).
>The fatum-project was born as an attempt to research unknown spaces outside predetermined probability-tunnels of the holistic world and has become a fully functional reality-tunnel creating machine that digs rabbit holes to wonderland.
>We are utilizing the fatum project's quantum random location generator telegram bot to generate random coordinates to travel the multiverse.
>Randonautica isn't simulation based. The tunnels we are exiting are physical tunnels, formed of habits, blind-spots, and social-pressure. Not computerised tunnels.
In a nutshell it is a random coordinate generator that uses true randomness (quantum events). The idea is to break the deterministic chain of events in your life similarly to what you described by making you go to somewhere unexpected non-deterministically and "entangle" with whatever you find. ie Change your connections by introducing a truly random action.
https://youtu.be/QNxLf1UYmfA
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dc0b51 No.57
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81c731 No.58
I believe the same way there are ley lines in space, there are lines in time. Have you noticed there is usually a car coming whenever you are about to cross a pedestrian crossing? Or maybe you hear a neighbor using the bathroom whenever you do.
Our lives are aligned in time the same way they are in space, and our actions can fall in two categories: those that go along with that flow and those that move into another current.
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bd66e9 No.59
>>56
Interesting. Yes, there appears to be similarities in the theories built around this. Most notable difference would be that the spiral walk or labyrinth walk is meant to move you once through the "magnetic" force of your own ascension process into a more favorable position. After this is completed you would move on to timeline shifting.
It is possible another round would be needed at a later time if your situation is complicated and the process must appear in steps.
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dc0b51 No.135
>>42
>The real deal. After mastering all step above, you can now move into the astral while wearing your own physical body. At this level of skill, the main obstacle is your attachment to the physical
Has anybody here actually experienced this?
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298041 No.138
>>39
>Such as seeing an object and then visualizating yourself picking it up.
I would like to clarify this point for people who might struggle with it, as I do have extensive experience with it.
There might be a difference between creating the image of your manipulation taking place and it actually taking place. For some people it might not, but for others it might, depending on your way of visualizing.
You will want to make sure you intend to pick up the object, and then, on its own, your vision should show the object being picked up. Meaning you don’t fabricate the image, rather it has to change in response to your intention. The mechanism is the same that makes your legs move in response to your intention to walk somewhere. It is an indirect action that you will need to practice in order to learn how to do it, as it cannot be explained (same as with learning to walk).
I don’t have experience with the more advanced techniques explained in this thread, but since they build on each other, I think it’s useful to keep this principle in mind for all of them (and possibly for other things such as psychokinesis).
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bd66e9 No.156
>>154
>Here's an example
What OP describes there is the exact method developed by the infamous Canterberry Institute (pic).
You can find the books by the two founders
Gavin and Yvonne Frost at the archive.org library section. It's a bit suspicious to see this posted in my opinion.
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2794a2 No.425
This morning I experienced something interesting and I'm sure this is something that is known in certain circles, but I don't know exactly what to make of it.
It's basically "turning" in vision in a way that reveals a hidden space in that direction. For example, "turning" to the right, I viewed machines, like machine elves. To the left there were a lot of entities, rough but not hostile. Rotating down I saw huge purple caverns and I forgot what was up, but I remember hearing the words "this is where Hitler is".
I'm sure I'm not the first one to come across this technique. How does this work?
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bd66e9 No.427
>>425
This sounds like viewing different parts of the astral from a subjective position. I don't think I've used this specific method, I just bring up the target in front of me like on a screen no matter its location.
>I forgot what was up, but I remember hearing the words "this is where Hitler is"
One of Hitler's souls was female and joined the Succubus Collective. This may be the reason for the rumours about Hitler's supposed skeleton being female, implying he was a crossdresser or that he escaped to Argentina and the body was replaced. It's bringing out the idea at least. You're interacting with the egregore here so it's possible you looked up and saw the Collective's world.
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2794a2 No.429
>>427
Interesting.
>I just bring up the target in front of me like on a screen no matter its location
Yeah I'm used to doing this as well. I just wondered if there's a system to this looking around thing, because it felt like it's something special. You turn *inside*, like there are angles within angles, and the rotation is done on some extra dimension. It reminds me of Lovecraft's non-Euclidean geometries.
There has to be some sort of system relative to one's own position. Let me explain. You can look ahead astrally and then turn your vision left or right, but with this you are *rotating within*, like tuning some kind of dial. It's hard to explain, really, but it feels like the astral has 6 dimensions instead of 3, or maybe it has more, and this is the way to rotate those extra axes, that can't really be conceptualised spatially.
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bd66e9 No.431
>>429
There's definitely a structure to it. People usually end up describing the same things in different ways and some go deeper into some ways of seeing it. The maps posted on meguca were all about the external, but then you have the internal of your own body and mind which is what you have to actually work on to get any ascension within that structure. I have it all mapped in my head but haven't tried writing it down yet. It's all really complex and changes when you ascend, so that what you saw while structurally the same, may still change its meaning once you make a turn around the next corner. I always end up wanting to present something final once I do, but with these it may be a futile undertaking since what I would write down now is outdated next week.
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bd66e9 No.432
>>431
A lot of the dimensional forms have been randomly assigned to the japanese hiragana/katakana, or so it seems. Maybe they have a frequency and the monk who created this writing saw it and used it, it's likely there at least was some reason for it representing these so correctly.
Take this for example: オ
Sounds like "o", which is a circle, and it correctly describes the process in which the donut/circle shaped "zero" particle is formed. Coincidence?
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2794a2 No.436
>>432
>describes the process in which the donut/circle shaped "zero" particle is formed
How so?
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bd66e9 No.438
>>436
Because the structure looks like this image, and オ which is pronounced "o" looks the same, while forming the circle used for this sound in the west.
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2794a2 No.439
>>438
That is not how you write it, though.
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bd66e9 No.440
>>439
It wasn't meant to suggest writing order, only the visual and functional form. There may be a reason for the writing order being in reverse of the function of this "sigil" in specific but I'm going to go for it just being standardized to work as a system as many japanese letters start with a horizontal line going left to right. If I was to represent it the way this structure appears to me I'd have mirrored it.
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bd66e9 No.443
>>42
>physical teleportation
>The end skill among physicals. Iron agers supposedly knew about this or had practitioner of this level of skill among them. They marked suitable gate locations with these stone ships.
A sub category or advanced version of this type of travel is referred to as "stitching" or "splicing." It means to locate parallel timelines and using them to replay a certain time period, living again side by side with the period already passed. One way this can be performed is in between reincarnations for some people who either have missions to carry out or who have the skill to do this. This version is difficult to perform and is completely invisible to the outside world as the reincarnated person has a completely new life with past memories hidden. Even if reincarnating in the past of a different timeline, the person will not easily remember enough to predict useful details from the future. Some things may be seen, which is one way of seemingly predicting the "future." It's not really predicting anything as it's only remembering what happened before, in the previously finished timeline, events in the future of the same timeline still can't be predicted.
The advanced version of this skill means to, in body, relocate to a different timeline to relive a certain short or long period, then reconnecting to the main timeline again. It will appear as if the person were in two or more places at once, and was able to perform the double amount of interactions with the world during this period.
While it would be possible to return years back and relive those, the common type is to move back a day, a few hours or even just a few minutes or seconds. The only catch is that other people may not be able to see the person do this, in such a way as in which it would cause human logic to collapse. Small glitches are ok as the human mind can explain those away with terms like deja vu or simply misremembering.
This skill can also be combined with:
>physical astral travel
>The real deal. After mastering all step above, you can now move into the astral while wearing your own physical body. At this level of skill, the main obstacle is your attachment to the physical.
In this case, the stitch is completely invisible. It would be performed as such: The person moves into the astral using their regular body, then moves to a parallel timeline in the past and uses it to do something on the astral, then reconnects to the main timeline at the same location, meaning the outside view of the astral travel shows no missing time. The person will appear to not have travelled at all when returning to the physical.
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2794a2 No.451
>>443
From my point of view, you seem to have some misunderstanding of key concepts in your post. Have you experienced everything you talk about first hand?
Otherwise, we should be careful not to tip the balance in our posts towards speculation or incomplete models because this is very advanced stuff and newbies have no way of corroborating the information. It's way too easy to create misinformation unknowingly.
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bd66e9 No.453
>>451
I performed the timeline shift between incarnations myself in the past to relive the last 1000 years and get a better position for the current life. I've observed others do the other versions and asked them about it, but a certain degree of "speculation" is going to be included because these things do not function according to human logic. It will appear to be acausal when you cannot see all the details of it. I wouldn't be posting this now unless I had a clear enough view of what is taking place.
Please elaborate what you think is a misunderstanding of key concepts? I'm not basing anything on anything read or heard from others, if it was merely theoretical I wouldn't post it without clearly stating so (including the source). In this case the source is me, the claims are my own. I used words which describe what I see "close enough."
>incomplete models
How do you suggest we create complete models if we can't bring up our (partial) observations? It's implied here that you understand anything posted is the view of the poster and not some ultimate truth. I do not believe in objective reality to begin with so any discussion of shared concepts can only be just that. What I see won't be exactly what others see, but some things overlap, and those are what I'm sharing.
It's encouraged to test it yourself and if it doesn't work for you or you can't confirm it, you can say so, but take into account your local and personal situation when doing so. Something which worked for me may do so based on a unique situation which is hard to replicate, and I may not be aware of what others are lacking.
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2794a2 No.457
>>453
If this information is based on your personal experience, I have nothing more to say. I don't have experience myself that can support or contest it.
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a2a186 No.502
thoughts on randonauting?
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bd66e9 No.504
>>502
With the observer effect in mind, it's probably not the randomizer itself that has the effect but rather your intent to break the corridor of your perception using this method. After reading about it I went outside and tried it with no randomizer and just walked up an animal trail I never walked before which lead to a new view over the landscape. So it does work. But it may be a matter of practice. I used to do this a lot when I lived in a city away from home, just walking at random into the green areas, climbing hills or going into old industrial areas at any time of the day or night.
I would just do it on an impulse, like I'd wait until the idea came up and then instantly act on it, even at 3 am.
It lead to a few unusual encounters, like finding an iron age fortress on a hill and some kind of antenna on another distant hill. I once met a woman in the forest in the dark of night who was in panic looking for her dog and had lost her way.
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7f4947 No.573
My spirit companion guided me to this course https://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/ in an attempt to help me reach a point where I can project myself. I wanted to leave it here for other to find if they need it.
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2794a2 No.1044
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bd66e9 No.1045
>>1044
That one is tuned specifically to create awareness of the mental rigidity diagnosed as aspergers. It's closely linked to the same universal structure.
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4aac39 No.1048
>>1045
Asperger's is the natural state of human thinking, so that sigil won't do anything in the end. I'll leave the full structure of aspergian thinking in the back room of the temple, it's not very complex. The structure supports the allowance for more complex thought and thinking. The specific structure I placed belongs to the Matriarch.
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99cd9c No.1391
Sounds like an autistic ERP
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2794a2 No.1509
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Lucid Dreams and Astral Projection Techniques (check out description).
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e82bac No.2232
I'm looking for a rare webm of a 3d animated astral travel, does anyone have it? It uses the same stock footage as this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta1Wwwe06LI but without the narration and added music
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d5bbb7 No.2237
Whenever I astral travel and look at my body, it's not there. Am I dreaming? I've had a lot of OBEs in my life and my body simply isn't there.
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f6b53f No.2241
>>2237
When you "astral travel" you take your astral body for a ride, your physical body isnt there in the astral plane. That is the astral, not the physical.
I don't think we look directly at the physical during an OBE.
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0f88b3 No.2256
>>2241
>I don't think we look directly at the physical during an OBE.
We never look directly at the physical even during waking life. It's just that the physical is being used as an anchor to make the astral impressions that we receive more coherent and consistant.
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d5bbb7 No.2292
>>2256
This is high level thinking.
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b6b258 No.2347
>>2241
So why do so many people believe that the physical can be taken to the astral then?
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2eca95 No.2348
>>2347
I didn't say you can't, but astral projection isn't the same as dematerializing.
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3ca89e No.3212
>>40
pastebin no longer works.
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bd66e9 No.3214
>pastebin no longer works.
>>3169
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3ca89e No.3215
>>3214
Sneaky shits gotta keep shitting it up.
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469c62 No.3917
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14ec89 No.3918
>>3917
Pastebin restricted access to this one because of certain words present in the text. Here is an imageboard version.
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32609a No.3949
>>42
>>443
>physical teleportation
Feel free to accuse me of being a degenerate retard, but I've experienced what sounds exactly like this (non-consentually) through drugs. I'm considered an especially experienced degenerate, but this was just different.
Home alone one night, decide to pop a couple grams of molly for no good reason. Starts off with the usual euphoria, but over an hour in it gets really weird. I was taking a piss, and mid piss I hear a high pitch sound and immediately "teleport" into my bed onto the opposite side of the house, like physically dropped onto it from two feet in the air, all transpiring in a fraction of a second.
In the same month (bad time for me if it isn't obvious) I was on xans, vals, coke, speed, alcohol and a bit of week. Driving back at night w/ a friend on a very familiar road, I'd drive past familiar landmarks & rows of houses and almost EXACTLY like footage of a jittery & jagged VHS tape in rewind, I'd be back at a point in time 5 seconds or so earlier despite having driven it. This entire ordeal kept repeating for the entirety of the ride home. I've had a lot of bad and dangerous experiences on drugs, but nothing ever on the level of these experiences. It was beyond anything, it sounds lame to say but it actually felt like it hurt my soul
I've never really thought about it like this before, but after reading your post, is it possible that I fucking died and shifted?
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14ec89 No.3960
>>3949
Maybe an altered state of mind can activate this ability when your fixed perception of what is possible changes. Are you aware of the movie/book Mothman? It's supposedly based on a true story where someone is driving his car home after his wife died in the hospital. He ends up in the wrong state, too far away to have driven there.
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c91ea7 No.3961
>>3960
This made me think of a news piece I read about a guy who was found naked and drunk bordering an ethanol coma. He said he was sent back in time, and that the technology they used required him to be drunk out of his mind.
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