/sunflower/ - Sunflower

Good question. I'm not sure myself and it doesn't help that so many sources on the topic have different explanations. After years of studying the stuff I still don't know if I'm doing it right or not. But figure 2 and 4 are fairly easy to do. Figure 3 can be done too but with figure 1 it's kinda hard, if not impossible.

>I'm approaching the "Big Three-Oh" with my virginity intact

this doesn't matter if you still masturbate. The 30 yo wizard meme is retarded because most 30yo virgins are masturbating degenerates who waste all of their energy with sex, even if its only porn and their hand. None of them is even close to being a wizard. Only if you are completely celibate and conserve your energy and use it for your own empowerment it matters and makes a difference. It's not too late to start saving your energy if you are 30 for you are still young enough to reap future benefits and undo the damage done so this is your chance if you are not already celibate.

From my own experiences.

1 is rather difficult, and if not enough concentration is allowed, it becomes similar to a memory in that the resulting image is somewhat like a flickering slideshow. I find it easier when simply letting go of pushing or pulling, as far as trying goes. There are then of course the problems of 'less controlled' visualizations, which of course require certain things to keep them in line, thoughtform or otherwise.

2 is easy enough, it seems to mostly rely on body awareness in some form or another.

3 is I think the most natural of these, and the best connection I've had to explain it has been a flashlight or a beam of light, but not the beam itself, just the round whatever-it's-called which is held over the area. This then slowly seeps into and permeates the area, which requires your concentration basically on that one area.

4 is pretty much how you describe it, a memory sort of kind of-ish. The action at least seems to come from the head somewhere, and goes down to the area itself, though maybe not necessarily through a conduit within the body.

>>558

Oh, also, these could probably stem into daydreaming or full on directed trance state, which of course, is directed by ritual such and such, wherein essentially, your vision is laid over with 'other vision' that takes place in 'wherever', and I guess you just have some alternate sensations that you work with while in that state, again with concentration being extremely important especially in that state, such that you have control and are capable of awareness. There's probably a lot more than just these though, tbh.

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And to finish the half thought because I forgot for a moment.

It is likely that you, as everybody else, will have to figure a proper route for yourself, for visualization based off your limitations and strengths and what you know and can learn from those past as well as your own experiences. Really, in the purest and least complicated way I can put to you, it is pretty much a you thing, which follows basically any and every spiritual stuffsuch, at least that I know of. This is of course not to say you can simply believe in a thing and you're gold no matter what religion you pick cause they're all the same, that has nothing to do with it, quite literally, it's a you thing. Which is of course not to say that it's individuation, but rather the usual 'singular boat among many boats adrift at sea' kind of thing which is neither individuation nor collectivization but both as well, I think a better statement might be 'it is as it is' honestly, taking both into account for oneself, but adhering to neither, etc, but that's just my own opinion.

Elsewise, there may in fact be some kind of functionality to each sort of visualization process, 1 being format for summoning or thoughtform/tulpa etc, 2 being a kind of utility something, 3 as that whole 'material manipulation' thing that everybody kills themselves over, and 4 likely an inward directed version of 3 but maybe something else that I am not currently aware of, etc. At this stage though it enters ritual territory, and other senses are utilized in concert with 'visualization' and the states therein.

>>554

A missing piece I've found with personal experience is the “fire” behind the “eyes” when imagining something visually, or behind my head when imagining using other senses.

It's not easy to explain, but everyone who manifests successfully knows the feeling. I would describe it as an intensity that rushes forth from somewhere and takes on the form that is being projected. That's what's called using the fire element in hermeticism. You can read about it in the Magic 101 thread.

Since it's basically impossible to explain, you need to experience it by yourself. It's a muscle we all have, but don't use. So practice.

Regarding threads. There has been a lot of useless ones popping up. This question should be in the general or the two beginner ones, for example.

>>562

Sorry, that was me. I thought it better to have several threads diversified across different subjects rather than one single thread that different conversations might get lost in.

>>557

I think figure 1 might be doable from a regular state of mind with enough development. I can get really faint outlines of simple shapes, such as the triangle I depicted in the illustration, but I haven't found a way to develop it further into proper imagery.

Both of the times I could visualize this way with true imagery were after being awoken from a deep sleep, so I suppose my brain was still in "dreaming mode".

>>this doesn't matter if you still masturbate.

I committed to no longer masturbating I think 4 years ago, and stopped entirely maybe a year and a half ago, but still suffer from wet dreams occasionally. Lately I've been able to stifle them before they cause problems, so I'm currently 3 months without an orgasm of any kind.

Although I don't know how useful that is, since I don't yet know any way of harnessing my sexual energy.

>>562

Which post are you referring to in the Magic 101 thread? Do you mean Exercise 1, or perhaps Exercise 4?

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>>554

1 and 3 are the proper way BUT you can also do them in your mind's eye (2 and 4 but with your eyes closed, or with your eyes open if you are VERY good at it), as long as you project the vision into it the same way you are projecting it into your surroundings with 1 and 3. As long as you use the “burning fire” to impress it.