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File: b6fc4195f1242af⋯.jpg (125.32 KB,400x400,1:1,Imperial_State_Crown_of_Qu….jpg)

 No.8824 [Open thread]

There is a Group on Gab that is dedicated to Monarchism. If you have a Gab account, please colonise it and expand Monarchism!

https://gab.com/groups/3594

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File: f18cf4ebcfea9ba⋯.jpg (148.41 KB,1000x1102,500:551,MAURRAS.jpg)

 No.8762 [Open thread]

Post your Maurras books you monarchist!

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 No.8768

Probably the greatest monarchist to live, probably the only one who liked third position economics too

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File: 3ea774ddf3c5639⋯.jpeg (5.88 KB,183x275,183:275,vonmisesbust.jpeg)

 No.4658 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

Economics datamining thread.

>Which school of economic thought do you feel you adhere to the closest? Austrian, Chicago, Neoclassical, Classical, Keynes, Marx?

>Which theory of value? Labor, subjective, cost, utils?

>Which theory of interest? Colorless, productivity, abstinence (PTPT), liquidity, renumeration, or exploitation?

>Which theory of the business cycle? Government control of the money supply? Animal spirits? Poorly regulated financial sector? Capitalism itself?

>Which theory of the entrepreneur? Knight's risk, Schumpeter's innovation, or Kirzner's alertness?

>Which theory of economic equilibrium? Mainstream "Consider a collection of demand curves that are monotonic…," the Austrian ERE, Hulsmann's counterfactuals, or Lachmann's notion that equilibrium does not exist?

>Which monetary standard? Gold standard, greenback, Bitcoin, labor-backed, fiat, or denationalized money?

>Which trade policy? Mercantilism, 'managed' trade, or free trade?

>Would you agree more with Say or Keynes?

>Are copyrights and patents a good idea?

>Are occupational licenses a good idea?

>Are minimum wage controls a good idea?

>Are other price controls (e.g., rent control) a good idea?

>Are worker unions a good idea?

>Are guilds a good idea?

>Are monopolies created by or destroyed by capitalism? Should the government have a role w.r.t monopolies?

>Which should or shouldn't be paid for by the government, or to what extent? Education, healthcare, housing, science, military, food, water, internet, telephone, roads, airports, ports, courts, pensions, weights/measures, post office?

>Which industries need regulation, and to what extent? Doctors, dentists, telecoms, finance?

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 No.8679

>>8509

Retards are the world's saving grace but Fuck niggers.

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 No.8680

>>8537

Apparently between Keynes and Marx is Corporatism. I know enough about economies to get by but there are certain kinds that didn't get a school

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 No.8721

I sympathize with the socioecological thought of Lewis Mumford and Pentti Linkola; which school of economic thought would suit me best?

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 No.8723

>>8536

Depends on how you look at it. You could argue that it is traditional in the sense that traditional, feudal governments were far less interventionist in the market. To that end, eliminating restrictions on the market could be seen as traditional. The part that is less traditional is the unrestricted market as an ideological ideal. Previous kings failed to restrict the market out of having no particular need to do so, rather than out of the belief that unrestricted markets were more productive.

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 No.8767

>>8721

>Pentti Linkola

My based African brother

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File: 175422504d429fc⋯.jpg (35.07 KB,280x349,280:349,0acc6188.jpg)

 No.3258 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

Remember that the political animals are all breeds of ideological charlatan. If they subscribe to an ideology, they are a political animal; a political animal is somebody who chooses to be other than man; he chooses to become an partisan or idealist. They see everything through the lenses of their -ism and think highly of plain things. Political animals destroy each other, lavishing to take any mantle of authority. They are dogs in the mud, trampling over each other.

Don't become a political animal. Think of authority, not anarchism. Think of people for who they actually are, not what they "should" be or what party. Be loyal to someone and not an ideal. Don't aspire for power and control, but become somebody of action and authority. Find strength, not slander of opponents. Think of honor, not false chants of liberty; because liberty is honorable and before people are truly free they must become responsible first. Before anybody has any liberty, they must find duty, or else they seek to have liberty without any responsibility – that is a demagogue's tyranny.

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 No.8563

File: ac3472d229a053c⋯.jpg (16.69 KB,350x350,1:1,4124123532567658.jpg)

>>8559

There will a time where the People™ will beg for despotism and I won't have to even lift a finger.

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 No.8742

Hey red-text despotism-fan:

If you were to make your own entry in the about page, what would it say?

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 No.8743

>>8742

Probably a vocab section.

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 No.8746

>>8742

Vocab

Scratch this. I don't really know.

Forget it.

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 No.8755

>>8746

I was kind of getting at if you were to expound on your ideology/political philosophy a bit more. Because it seems quite distinct.

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File: 808880c70ea4a94⋯.jpg (236.28 KB,2121x1414,3:2,marriage.jpg)

 No.2405 [Open thread]

what is /monarchy/'s take on fag marriage?

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 No.7639

>>7590

Very based

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 No.7641

>>7627

This

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 No.7660

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

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 No.8726

>>2408

>There are two genders

I would go further and say there are only 2 sexes (something bound by the genitalia and secondary sexual characteristics). Saying there are 2 genders still has the implication that a man can identify as a woman.

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 No.8727

>>6436

>hasn't realized that the percentages come from the studies, and that libs can't make up their minds on how much of the population is gay

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 No.6407 [Open thread]

1 - Please list as many historical cases of monarchies being restored that you can think of.

2 - Find patterns.

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 No.8643

>>6407

Are you specifically looking for only literal restorations, or does a new monarchy coming about after a period of not having a monarchy count as well?

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 No.8655

>>8643

Restorations I find a lot more interesting, because from what I hear, there's a large popular support that brings them about. Whereas it seems like the standard story for a new monarchy is "Dictator appoints his son to the position" a la North Korea. But I wouldn't mind reading something that challenges that conception.

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 No.8671

>>8655

The main thing is that literal restorations discount the Roman empire, despite the fact that pretty much the entire West is implicitly romanophilic.

Beyond restorations, the dutch stadtholder became something of a monarchical position, if I remember correctly.

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 No.8683

>>8671

What do you mean by "discount the Roman empire?"

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 No.8694

>>8683

I probably could have worded that better. Basically, the change from the republic to the empire wasn't a restoration of the old Roman kingdom, but the establishment of a completely new monarchy. This means they wouldn't count, even though the West in general has had a boner for the Roman Empire for ages.

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 No.8311 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

I've been on /fascist/ for a few months now, and I've slowly come to understand that monarchy is the best form of government by far.

I read the about page and 'liberty or equality' and I agree with most, if not all, of it.

I'm Catholic and I'm 90+% French; born in America.

I'd like to return to France someday.

God - Race - Fatherland - Family

I'm occasionally berated by civil liberty fags, people who think meritocratic dictatorship is a good idea, and 'b.b..but tyranny' tards on fascist so I intend to visit this board more often.

The only things that should limit a king's power are the words of God and angry mobs.

I'd call myself a Monarchist that wants to see the first king implement a lot of national socialist policies.

The only misgivings I have about this board are race and restoration.

I don't think people that aren't part of the fatherland's native ethnic group should be in the country.

The way I see it, the king is the will of God and the nation combined and personified.

Therefore he must be of the same race.

This leads into my problem with the only two French flags on this board.

Legitimists wanted some pan-euro inbreeding cult member on the throne

and the bonapartists wanted a fucking Italian.

I think the royal family of a country should maintain the racial purity of their bloodline by marrying high ranking members of the aristocracy within their own country.

I want to see new dynasties, not restorations.

I'm not sure I fit squarely in either board.

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 No.8661

>>8659

>i wish we would have a thread about this.

Take everything after this sentence, copy it, go back to the main board, paste it in the big white box at the top beside the word "Comment," in the white box next to "Subject" type in something like "Monarchy and Technology," and then hit the "New Thread" button.

The only other thread I can think of similar to this is the one we had about genetically engineering monarchs to make them awesome and avoid Philip of Spains.

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 No.8664

>>8661

>>6973 for the genetic engineering thread.

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 No.8682

>>8652

If you want empire, you better be prepared to stop being an ideologue otherwise it’s gonna collapse in about five seconds. The Axis were plagued by partisans. You had the perfect boogeyman, the Soviet Union, threatening all of Europe. However, Himmler and Koch managed to damage Ukrainian-German relations so much that ardent allies of Germany became hostile because there were no adults in the room. The German occupation forces were told to be on their best behavior in France as the Japanese were told to be on their best behavior in China. It’s a terrible idea to piss the locals off when you barely have enough men and arms to occupy them.

The idea that mass extermination is merciful or somehow saves resources is… I am going to pray for you.

>monarchist voices

We don’t believe a worldview to be true because it’s popular or if there are prominent voices or any normalfag reasons. I would remind you fascism and monarchy are equally on the fringe. Even of the “red pilled” “racist” crowd, how many of them do you think understand fascism? You have a lot of race realists like Jared Taylor who talk about IQ and Spencer who talks about white people, but that isn’t fascism. I have enough respect for fascism to know these “prominent figures” aren’t it.

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 No.8686

File: fe1e7fbe0c3a530⋯.gif (611.64 KB,684x784,171:196,(((Overpopulation)))).gif)

>>8682

>If you want empire, you better be prepared to stop being an ideologue otherwise it’s gonna collapse in about five seconds.

>If you want to be successful, you're going to have to cuck to my position.

>You had the perfect boogeyman

Yeah

>Himmler and Koch managed to damage Ukrainian-German relations so much that ardent allies of Germany became hostile

Yeah I agree, how many times do have to disavow these incompetent secular/pagan retards.

I would like to do the WWII era over again with all the parts that those movements were missing.

I'd also like to see the sentiment that the Nazis fostered slowly grow in every European country, rather than exploding in two or three.

>It’s a terrible idea to piss the locals off when you barely have enough men and arms to occupy them.

How many fucking times do I have to say that Nazi Germany made terrible decisions with regard to the war and occupation.

>The idea that mass extermination is merciful or somehow saves resources is… I am going to pray for you.

The current situation is untenable.

We can't just isolate ourselves while India and African quadruple in population every year.

The Earth can't handle that many environmentally irresponsible people, especially when there's nothing of value that they're contributing.

Something has to be done.

We've tried civilizing these areas.

We gave them medicine, we gave them law and order, we gave them technology, we taught them what we know, and they're just genetically incapable of rising to our level on a large scale.

The only alternative to the superior races gentrifying the Earth, is that we benevolently genetically modify them in a couple hundred years when we have the technology.

and even if we could genetically uplift them, by the time wePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.8692

>>8686

>If you want to be successful, you're going to have to cuck to my position.

It's not "cucking", its a better worldview in my humble opinion. Fascism shares too many commonalities with French Revolutionary ideology.

>Globo-eugenics

I have no idea how you reconcile this with Christianity. Man, being made in the image of God, has dignity. Does that mean we have to let infinity negrod into our nations? No, obviously not. But as Christians we could never support eugenics like abortion. Eugenics always get turned against larger and larger "out" groups so it will end up in some technocratic mass murder nightmare.

>They really don't need to. They won't be the ones running the state.

The "prominent voices" "alternate media" you are talking about are not even fascists, they are liberals with some racialist tendencies.

Perhaps fascism is more popular to normalfags than traditional monarchy. I doubt it but hey… How does that make it truer than traditional monarchy them? Shouldn't we be concerned with eternal truth?

>proto-fascists rising around the world

You mean populists and civic nationalists? Trump-tier shit?

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 No.3808 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

I know you peasants play video games. Let us share our favorite games and monarchy-related fantasies.

<what possible games could interest a monarchist?

Peasant, let me tell you. There are a variety of mods and historical themes for all games. Paradox games usually take the cake. For this audience, I am recommending Mount and Blade: With Fire and Sword's mod called "English Civil War".

https://www.moddb.com/mods/english-civil-war

It is a fun mod and a hidden gem.

<how is this thread pertinent to /monarchy/

Because gamers are lurking and sometimes it is best to kickback and relax. We are peasants and aristocrats. There are many video games related to this subject matter across all genres. This is a possible frontier to have fun.

You are free to discuss /monarchy/-related games and usual stuff here.

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 No.8615

File: 07e00e809612231⋯.png (236.32 KB,5632x2048,11:4,eu4_map_FRA_1444_11_11_1.png)

I'm playing as The Big Blue Blob France, /monarchy/, what idea groups should I take and in which order? Espionage and Naval are not allowed. Initial opinions have forced my starting rivals as England, Burgundy, and Austria; it looks like my alliances are going to be Castile, Provence, Scotland, maybe Savoy, and I'll save my fifth slot for a vassal or to mess around in Ireland.

Any thoughts for the playthrough until 1500? Keep in mind I'm kind of a shite EUIV player.

I'm obviously staying Catholic. Any other requests?

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 No.8629

>>8615

I always take religious and rush Deus Vult CB. Not just for the memes but it cuts your AE in half and you can use it against any heretic or heathen nation. I’m currently playing a game as France where I blob into Africa using Deus Vult and that nice missionary strength.

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 No.8646

ffs nobody on this board has warcraft 3 the RTS

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 No.8653

>>8646

I don't even have a computer that will still run Warcraft III, unless there was some Linux version that came out..

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 No.8670

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File: b3437790dae57bd⋯.mp4 (1.31 MB,640x640,1:1,CShWRGynh5MFJMBr.mp4)

I really enjoy these.

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 No.950 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

/leftypol/ crashing in, sorry for crossposting hopefully I don't get banned

How do I reconcile being a far-leftist with my monarchist tendencies, I like the aesthetics of it but being a socialist is quite antithetical to it.

are there any readings on monarchism from a leftist perspective, a monarch that upholds the revolution, something similar to Napoleon and the french revolution

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 No.8640

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 No.8641

>>8579

If you don’t believe in God, you have nihilism and absurdism.

Like capitalism, socialism reduces a man to an animal - a disposable cog in the machine of society with no dignity.

Your knowledge of Russian history is beyond pathetic. Yes, the economy advanced by leaps and bounds but only by rivers of blood. Ever heard of the Holomodor? The Soviet Union banned workers unions so it’s a complete fraud anyways. Tsarist Russia was feeding the world. The Soviet Union was starving and required constant western food aid. It’s just another banker Jew empire.

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 No.8647

>>950

By necking yourself you communist scumbag

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 No.8650

File: dd0920612f2dee6⋯.jpg (60.7 KB,667x676,667:676,mitsuru milkman.jpg)

>>8579

>muh scientific basis

Science is not incompatible with religion and thinking so is the pinnacle of bluepilldom. I will never be able to understand why atheist retards think the universe just exists or doesn't need to be explained.

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 No.8657

>>950

OP's post is proof a majority of extreme leftists are LARPers and not to be feared

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 No.8380 [Open thread]

Huzzah! The demise of the 5th French republic is upon us and the the republican politicians and on trial. Who do we elect to the throne of France? The House of Napoleon, the House of Bourbon or the House of Orléans? Which of the handsome men is the true King of France?

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 No.8415

>>8409

>France returning to monarchism would be such a reversal to the ideals of the French Revolution that it would be a huge ideological blow to Democracy.

That's the idea.

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 No.8573

>>8390

You sure you want that tide of sheer smug?

>>8395

>but Hitler

So you want France to get its shit wrecked again while wasting both blood and treasure on social and military boondoggles? France needs continuity with its past, and drastic repairs to heal the damage since the Revolution, not war as a first step.

Whichever of these three men is most capable, and who knows the best court-to-be.

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 No.8582

Why has France fallen so far? It used to be a land at the absolute pinnacle of governance, religion, culture, tradition, and economic prowess.

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 No.8585

>>8582

liberalism and relativism

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 No.8591

>>8585

Also Protestantism. Peak arrogance, you see.

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 No.8242 [Open thread]

We have to stop thinking about monarchy in terms of "is it more socialist or libertarian" like some political compass soyboy NPC animal. The great royal houses who built the nations we know today were neither socialists nor libertarian liberals. The spectrum of acceptable ideologies in mainstream political discourse is incredibly small because the course of democratic society is determined by demagogues and their ideas. Materialism has corrupted the human brain to a degree that the NPC believes all that matters in politics is this stupid dialectic of two slightly different - equally decadent - types of cosmopolitanism.

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 No.8463

>>8454

I just wanted to mess with you a bit.

It's been changed back.

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 No.8469

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>>8448

>No you have not explained why or how the market autocorrects for good. Not even a semi-free market does that

You are posting on an imageboard that has decentralized board ownership, for all intents and purpose this is a board market. If a board is shit, people vote with their feet and go to another one, hence: dysnigger at /b/ is all alone on his shit board as it has been replaced with /b2/, he did it for free anyway, so he doesn't care. /animu/ also became popular last year when the mods at /a/ started to go on a power trip. If board owners had more property rights, this system would've worked better, the "king" of this board would be able to truly rule it because he would also be able to make a real living from moderating and improving the board by earning the ad revenue. THIS IS THE FREE MARKET, this is more/less how medieval Europe was, not the modernist, centralized communist fantasy land you're imagining.

>>8452

The late Russian Empire had some of the free-est markets, you uneducated nigger, especially after Stolypin's reforms. Try learn the difference between the Empire and your anti-market commie brethren who took power. You call him a liberal, though ironically you hold the same socialist postitions as the liberals who partook in the February Revolution. "We're not socialists, we just hate markets", lmao it's the same as hearing "we're not parasites, we just hate the immune system", at least take responsibility and own the fact that you are a filthy leftist, then we can start discussing.

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 No.8471

File: 247fa14ec1d5792⋯.jpg (279.92 KB,620x375,124:75,henrylaugh.jpg)

>>8469

>Bolshevik Revolution

Last I checked it was Kerensky, a classical liberal, who was a major player in the overthrow of the Tsar. Fucking brainlets however cannot concieve that monarchy transcends the modern left / right dialectic.

>mEdIEVal EUrope wuz FrEE mERKet

XD XD XD XD XD XD XD

>u dOnT LiEk cAPiTalIsm ThER4 u A cOMmiE

Get help.

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 No.8472

File: 298af16171f4633⋯.jpg (78.3 KB,500x500,1:1,1563407791.jpg)

>>8471

>the February Revolution was the Bolshevik Revolution

You truly are a stupid fucking nigger.

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 No.8478

>>8472

Did I say it was? That's right nope. Read what I said stupid nigger. >>8471

>"who was a major player in the overthrow of the Tsar"

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 No.8387 [Open thread]

How does a country that does not have a royal family go about establishing a monarchy? And how would people follow a man that is proclaimed king in this secular liberal society we live in?

I’m very interested in your thoughts.

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 No.8424

>>8387

>How does a country that does not have a royal family go about establishing a monarchy?

That depends on the country and the situation the country is in. If the established country is stable and prosperous, it would be hard to establish a legitimate and recognized monarchy short of a hostale takeover from an outside empire or very VERY popular military/executive leader.

If the established country is on the brink of collapse, a peaceful takeover can be achieved by convincing the people to force their legislature to give up their sovereignty to the monarch or by making the established government irrelevant.

In short, establishing your own dynasty in a nation where royalty is foregin or verboten is no easy task. There is no easy answer to this question.

>And how would people follow a man that is proclaimed king in this secular liberal society we live in?

They wouldn't, secular liberalism will die out or liberals will run away to a nation that conforms with their political animalism.

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 No.7085 [Open thread]

I'm just here to see some cool monarchist flags…

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 No.7811

File: 919536fcd966575⋯.png (165.4 KB,1000x667,1000:667,d31vj2o-223231f0-aa51-4e43….png)

File: c3bc709747e6aaf⋯.jpg (593.33 KB,1920x1200,8:5,Drapeau_armée_vendéenne_2.jpg)

File: 131d88ab77ceb6f⋯.jpg (97.89 KB,900x1540,45:77,kisspng-catholic-and-royal….jpg)

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 No.8326

File: 1cebd6172915031⋯.jpg (290.75 KB,1600x1067,1600:1067,first_french_empire_by_gre….jpg)

>>7811

That's the wrong French Flag my guy.

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 No.8359

File: 5d422552de18376⋯.jpg (193.48 KB,1024x768,4:3,43JAeQi.jpg)

>>8326

>The colors for liberté and égalité on your flag

Yikes.

The white flag with a million fleur de lys is ugly.

The coats of arms are too complex.

I think we should just use royal blue with fleurs de lys.

Maybe like a sword and a crown.

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 No.8378

File: e1c61b684dbff3f⋯.png (6.96 KB,225x225,1:1,82ACB5D4-ACF3-44A9-99E2-AC….png)

>>8359

How about the flag of West Francia?

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 No.8398

>>8378

It works.

I think I'd rather it have more than just fleurs on it.

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File: 74c1590e902a5a4⋯.jpg (308.07 KB,1701x1004,1701:1004,9c94e89424051c56fa984c5613….jpg)

 No.8383 [Open thread]

I proclaim myself King of /monarchy/ by Right of Might, I'm really good at that videogame. I'm 6.4" tall, can deadlift 620lb (taking into account my 600lb girth), and have a 8x6.5" paper that I like to do drawings on. Let all true Anons declare their loyalty.

BEGONE PRETENDER

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 No.8384

File: 1a4a1c925c31c0c⋯.jpg (76.19 KB,680x431,680:431,5ae.jpg)

>>8383

LMAO I was wondering when this moment would happen. A literal Pretender claiming our King's throne.

You can claim right of Might all you want but the real king of /monarchy/ was chosen by divine will. You have no power here, Pretender.

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 No.8386

>>8384

Who is 'our King'?

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 No.8388

File: 90158ef6af912c0⋯.jpg (94.21 KB,803x994,803:994,baron_ungern_by_autobus666….jpg)

>>8386

The guy that literally made this post >>1

You can call him Your Majesty, Your Highness, The Imperial BO, My superior if you wish, but everyone just calls him King around here.

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 No.8389

File: 2580e4d22d379e7⋯.jpeg (181.25 KB,561x800,561:800,o0-12312.jpeg)

>>8384

>>8383

>LMAO I was wondering when this moment would happen. A literal Pretender claiming our King's throne.

OP beat me to it. I get off by being the board's tyrant rather than king. I still think I am a good tyrant: keeping political animalism at bay and screaming at monarchomachists.

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 No.8293 [Open thread]

What monarch/monarchist would you want to meet in Elysian Fields?

Most of the people we love are dead.

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 No.8329

>>8328

Can't delete the truth sorry.

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 No.8331

File: 6db4a2c191e9447⋯.jpg (40.79 KB,377x264,377:264,qchcmc7ll0w01.jpg)

>>8330

"KaIsEr wHiLheLm dID nOtHInG WrONg!"

He would be on the seventh level of hell.

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 No.8332

This thread went downhill fast.

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 No.8340

>>8332

To be fair, making things go downhill fast is kind of Kaiser Wilhelm's whole schtick.

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 No.8344

>>8331

One thing that can be said for Kaiser Wilhelm is that he wasn't devious like the republican great powers of the Entente. The German Empire was the ONLY power to attempt to have the Romanovs freed from captivity via ransom. Ah, the eternal Anglo…confirmed worst ally ever… even worse than Italy.

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