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 No.3581 [Open thread]

Could Europe have industrialised as quickly under the continued reign of Absolutism or did progress depend on the stronger individual rights achieved (directly and indirectly) by the forces of liberalism?

Britain did very well and shed itself of Absolutism fairly quickly– Northern Europe in general has done better than the South, and been relatively more free– however the issue is probably more nuanced than that. How do you think we find out the truth?

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 No.6609

>>6548

>Northern Europe in general has done better than the South

Until now with the Sweden.

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 No.6610

>>6548

I think you can find it here >>2679

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 No.6639

I live in a sub-urban/rural neighborhood. I border rural areas so there is plenty of open space. I don't know any of my neighbors, I haven't spoken a single word to them in years. The entire industrial/urbanized city model is based on placing people in boxes in the most efficient possible manner so that they can commute mile away to work. no one knows or needs to know the people next to them, since you only live there just to spend all you time far away. this is industrial society. Surrounded by people, but not having a relationship to any of them.

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 No.6642

>>6531

Monarcho-Primitivism is the solution

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 No.6684

>>3581

Absolutism brought Monarchy to its knees, you have to have the liberality to leave power on the table, so long as it is nonthreatening

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 No.6198 [Open thread]

Do you have a devotion to any monarch that has been declared a saint? For me it's mainly st. Jadwiga of Poland but I also pray through the intercession of st. Louis IX of France

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 No.6263

>>6262

Not until you came along.

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 No.6581

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>>6198

Saint Justinian the great

>>6262

Saint Louis IX is great

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 No.6586

File: ee30c41c82aceec⋯.png (62.57 KB,512x512,1:1,dark souls euphoria.png)

>>6225

solid choice

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 No.6624

File: cd6f82f1134c745⋯.png (1.56 MB,958x1348,479:674,Blessed Karl I.png)

KARL

Just because I'm an ortho doesn't mean I can't honour the last rightful Duke of Bukovina

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 No.6683

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>>6198

Don't forget the monarch over them all

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 No.6487 [Open thread]

Gun ownership in the past monarchies was not uncommon and much more relaxed than monarchies are today. It is about time /monarchy/ discuss the gun control and gun laws in various monarchs from the past and present, and what your stance is on guns.

>the Good

Gun ownership in Imp. Russia was easier like the Wild West. Accordingly, no problems with gun ownership and very relaxed. Meanwhile, most of Europe back then was relaxed on gun control, as well as under the Qing for a while. This is a stark contrast to the steep rise in regulations and gun control you today. Nowadays you gotta have a loicense. However, Serbia has a high approval rate for a monarchical restoration and they are also a very gun-loving culture.

>The Bad

Japan has a long history of being strict on weapons. The Meji Era is a period that prohibited it strictly.

>The Ugly

It looks like gun control is going to get worse after the shooting in NZ.

<OP, why do you bring this up?

Because I know many monarchists are interested in this topic and likewise care about gun ownership and compulsory military service.

>on military compulsory service

Look up the Assize of Arms of 1181 and other statutes.

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 No.6522

File: f451c331d54f4b0⋯.jpg (359.91 KB,530x750,53:75,972850d92d9c4c67cb455943a1….jpg)

On that note, being feared is not the same as being hated.

If everything is done so that people will hate you, a rule won't last very long. Fear is taking the opportunity to prevent revenge when it is still possible and within a means of personal control. But doing something that would cause hatred is giving everyone a good reason to hate you. Like stripping away a title for no reason and keeping it to yourself. There's justified cruelty and unjustified cruelty. I guess if someone tries to assassinate a monarch, it is better to have them hanged than to show mercy in most cases. Assassination is one of those good times to consider this.

However, there are instances where showing mercy has been used. King Charles II had no choice to show mercy to those who signed a death warrant on his father, but only if they showed loyalty to the Restoration. And others have spared conspirators who tried to assassinate them after the attempt. I don't know what advantage this has, other than appearing stronger.

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 No.6549

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>>6507

>It also helps to have a top notch spymaster to

Calm down on the EU4 there buddy.

>>6508

Armed populaces tend to be an issue for invading armadas.

>>6509

>The reason we don't have kings anymore is because monarchy is the least efficient way to rob and enslave a population.

This gave me pause.

>A nation is its people, not its government.

A nation is its ideas/culture/God/religion or whatever is the name for the amalgamation of those four words.

>>6510

>more likely to stay isolated from social engineering the rest of the populace than a totalitarian regime that is trying to transform society on the merits of ideology rather than a tyrant's shrewd self-interest and mania

This is a good enough point that I want to put it in my list of pro-monarchist arguments.

>>6521

>The kind of fear I like is more like awe.

Like I keep saying on this board, the ceremonial aspect of the monarch is important, dammit.

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 No.6551

>MUH ARMED NORMIES

Amerimutts couldn't keep their cities from getting filled with Mud. Or prevent desegregation.

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 No.6556

>>6551

Keep the muttposting on /k/. That board's already gone to hell, I don't care as much if you ruin it more.

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 No.6629

>>6556

What the hell is muttposting?

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 No.5157 [Open thread]

Thoughts?

>Macon & 5th Republic struggle to recuperate in France

>increasing taxation, foreign invaders, and lower social standing

>even members of the police force are coalescing

>for now seems non-partisan

>working class members of society entering Paris, rural folk too

<but muh Global Warmining; French media portrays them ultimately as far-right, increasing taxation justified to deal with 'global warming'

<muh storefronts and cars being flipped

Unfortunately, the media and others keep saying 'wait until the election' to resolve this problem. The roots of the Revolution and republicanism has sowed its own perpetual cycle of destruction. This time around I cannot blame them. Wishful thinking. Let Counter-Revolution return to the France. Expunge those poisonous roots of the Revolution.

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 No.5822

>>5162

Nope. If the alternatives are prepped or kept back by the same people your decision doesn't matter at all.

>>5157

So far all according to plan. The police is getting payed to take a beating for the public eyes, the communists took over the front lines to create action-fodder for the cameras, and all the directed attacks against banks, in combination with the tax-robbery of the middle class, will conjure the total collapse of the economy. This will create massive chaos and violence and they gonna wait a little until stepping in with massive military firepower to "liberate" with the announcement of the cash-less currency, the social credit system and the universal income. This will be slavery and any and all resistance will be stomped out by violence.

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 No.5825

>>5822

>Nope. If the alternatives are prepped or kept back by the same people your decision doesn't matter at all.

That's what they all say. This is just another reason why thinking in terms of 'The People' never works.

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 No.6480

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>it all will all end there where it began

Can’t wait

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 No.6493

>>5395

Stylish uniform. Shame it's wasted.

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 No.6494

>>5794

You may wish to read Otto Weininger's deconstruction of the jew.

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 No.6455 [Open thread]

Yesterday was the Ides of March.

Today we celebrate the death of traitors.

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 No.6458

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 No.6459

VVHO did not hear of Olivers Nose,

with a fa, la, la, la, la, lero.

It was of the largest sise as I suppose,

with a fa, la, &c.

O he was excellent cunning and wise,

And Craftily fooled the people with lies.

And thought by his wit to furmount the Skies,

with a fa, &c.

He was a Souldier in time of the VVar,

with a fa, &c,

And he caused many a bloody scar,

with a fa, &c.

From a Captain unto a Lord Generall,

And then a Protector at last of all

And from that high stile he there caught a fall,

with a fa, &c.

But in the first place, he ruld as a King,

with a fa, &c.

He had his pleasure, the world in a sling,

with a fa, &c.

He had whatsoever with the beck of his fist,

And ••m•unded all men to what he list,

And those that offended, he gave them the Twist,

with a fa, &c.

Then Noll at last fell mighty sick,

with a fa, &c.

Past the care of man or Physick,

with a fa, &c.

VVhen No•… was felling sick and would dy,

Beldam Ione•ung for nither Chapawry,

And having an Oynion she séemed to cry,

with a fa, &c.

Then a brave Tomb there must be made,

with a fa, &c.

And in it this Hector must be laid,

with a fa, &c.

And furder to worship their Idol beast,

They every day made him a feast,

After they had put, this bar-boone in his chest

with a fa, &c.

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 No.6472

File: 6d3ada0a35262f6⋯.jpg (338.46 KB,900x674,450:337,the-arrest-of-robespierre-….jpg)

Lest we forget Robespierre.

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 No.6474

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 No.6492

>>6472

A revolution eats its own children. Not at all unlike Saturn, the limited god, sixth planet of the sixth day and the day of the Jewish Sabbath; the unholy day of revolutionaries.

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 No.6419 [Open thread]

Hello there,

My name is George, and I was wondering if you would like to have your website tor.onl promoted as a resource on my blog georgemartjr.com ?

We are updating our broken link resources to include up to date resources for our readers. Our resource links are manually approved as a do follow link.

If you are interested in having your site included as a resource on our blog, please let me know.

Thanks for your consideration,

George

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 No.6421

File: 47879fe03d9a6a0⋯.jpg (18.92 KB,226x223,226:223,1506326659.jpg)

>>6419

>actual lawyers shilling our cause to normalfags

WE NEEDED THIS!!!!!!

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 No.6422

>>6419

Go right ahead, Mr. Martin.

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 No.6424

>>6421

>our

>we

>cuckime

There is no "our" or "we", homosexual. Get burned in the hay.

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 No.6426

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>>6419

Hey George, if I were to strike up a claim on my county (or the dirt poor county down south) would your law firm make it a reality? Can I finally live up to the legacy of Emperor Norton and become royalty in America?

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 No.6435

>>6424

HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS

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 No.6100 [Open thread]

Neo-pagans are materialists at heart.

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 No.6143

>>6127

Materialism leads to egoism and individualism which in turn lead to the dissolution of civilization.

Source: modern day politics

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 No.6144

>>6143

read hoppe

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 No.6168

>>6100

What the fuck is a materialist? It could be literally anything to anyone.

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 No.6297

>>6144

hoppe is a nigger

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 No.6418

>>6168

somebody that thinks the real world matters

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 No.6322 [Open thread]

Is there a such thing as God-given rights under a monarchy? And if so, what would they be?

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 No.6403

>>6322

Human Rights are generally concerned with saying that a government is required to provide goods and services to everyone, like water, or refuge. Those are "positive rights", in that, you have to give them to someone. Other theories, like, Natural Rights, or rights that you have in the bible, have nothing to do with the idea of "Human Rights". In that, these rights are not a list of things that you would be entitled too, like Human Rights.

The biggest issue with the idea of Human Rights is that it has to be enforced on the world by a higher world-government that is above all smaller governments. That uses it's theory of "Human Rights" to threaten and wage economic and conventional wars against all other nations in the world. It's incompatible with the idea that the government of a nation has sovereignty over that nation. So if you think that the king is the sovereign of his nation, that isn't compatible with some kind of organization like the UN.

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 No.6404

>>6403

This was the answer I was looking for. Thank you, fellow peasant.

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 No.6405

>>6404

I might have only answered, maybe half of your question, this is the other half, about what I think you could acknowledge:

I think ideas of god-given rights like the ones in the Bible, or maybe, Natural Rights, are compatible with monarchy. Natural Rights are things like, the pursuit of life, having possessions, bearing arms, etc. The idea of Natural Rights is not that there is some higher authority over the King like the UN that threatens him from taking the Natural Rights of the people away. But rather, that the exercise of Natural Rights is so inherent to being alive, that it cannot be bound by laws other people make.

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 No.6408

>>6405

>this is your brain on liberalism

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 No.6417

>>6322

The mere fact that an absolute monarch rules by the grace of God through divine right, and that the throne is the personal asset of the monarch, monarchy defines property rights as coming from God.

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 No.6362 [Open thread]

What does being a feudalist amount to? Many monarchists identify as feudalists. Is it for hierarchy? It comes down to wanting a decentralized monarchy. Game of Thrones blood and sports for the throne, aristocratic houses, and feudal economics.

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 No.6367

For me, I like the decentralized aspect of it.

However, I believe it was brought up to compensate for the lack of a bureaucratic system such that the will of the king would be evenly dispersed throughout the kingdom. However, this viewpoint was given to me by high school history class so I don't hold it very highly.

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 No.6353 [Open thread]

The Leviathan is a Neoreactionary/Tradtionalist server built around the discussion of far right philosophy and theory. We hope to stimulate discussion between members of the far right and to promote Reactionary and Traditionalist ideas.

1. Opposition will be monitered more closely than any other members as to ensure that this server gets the best members it possibly can.

2. Members ought to respect staff and follow orders when given.

3. Posting of pornography will result in a ban.

4. In addition to the former rule, if CP (with the inclusion of loli) or cubporn is posted then you will be banned and your account reported.

5. No furries.

6. No posting of gore.

7. Post in the correct channels.

-No shitposting outside of shitposting, unless in context. Shitposting is meant as a containment zone.

Public Link: https://discord.gg/FrWNwqg

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 No.6354

>discord faggotry

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 No.2673 [Open thread]

What do you guys think about the Japanese royalty? Are they as cucked as European monarchies?

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 No.5051

>>4976

There will be no end to the weaboo peril.

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 No.5069

>>3111

My history professor says that over 100 million niggers were taken out of Africa or killed during colonization. He also says that the population of Africa would have been double what it was in 1900 if not for the Evil Imperial Europeans! And according to him every figure the textbook has for the deaths of a native group due to colonization or just Iberian autism, is extremely low. Now he could be right but he is a massive self-hating libtard and thus I am very skeptical of everything he claims, but he has a doctorate so he must be right?

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 No.5146

>>4787

>>4630

Circumsion was only enforced in the Old Testament

https://christiananswers.net/q-eden/circumcision.html

And Christianity has nothing to do with Saturn. Maybe modern judaism since it’s heavily influenced from babylon.

Christianity has historically been against the Jews until the French Revolution. Where Napoleon released the Jews from containment.

http://www.aish.com/jl/h/h/48945221.html?mobile=yes

http://christianthinktank.com/elwho.html

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 No.5147

>>5146

The Frogs really did fuck up everything, didn't they.

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 No.6351

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 No.4235 [Open thread]

Let's evaluate the Congo Genocide and King Leopold II. What is your stance? Did King Leopold II and the Congo Free State kill 10 million and was King Leopold II solely responsible?

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 No.6109

>>4235

>not available in Finland

Considering Democracy translates directly to our word for violence, this does not surprise me.

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 No.6112

>>6109

same here in poland

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 No.6136

>>6016

Well yea no shit.

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 No.6141

>>6109

>Democracy translates directly to our word for violence

Your word for violence literally means "rule of the people"?

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 No.6348

>>6141

>Your word for violence literally means "rule of the people"?

Yes. Väki = people, volk; valta = power, cratia

Väkivalta = violence, mob / volk rule.

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 No.5974 [Open thread]

I didn't see any in the catalouge so I decided to make a meme thread and see if it sticks.

pic related.

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 No.6048

>>6000

i dont understand that meme

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 No.6330

File: b0e0b6eaeba46c6⋯.jpg (105.47 KB,1200x535,240:107,DhVlb3SU8AAP4DN.jpg)

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 No.6345

>>6007

I dont see what so "reddit" about this thread, it's just and image dump for /monarchy/. They have meme threads in other boards.

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 No.6346

>>6345

It's not the thread, it's OP's liberal use of the word "meme" to which >>6007 objects.

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 No.6349

>>6346

>>6345

I am OP, that's what they call it on /christian/ which is where I got the idea.

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 No.4052 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

Absolute Monarchy is not tyranny

>“I must tell you that the liberty and freedom [of the people] consists in having of Government, those laws by which their life and their goods may be most their own. It is not for having share in Government, Sir, that is nothing pertaining to them. A subject and a sovereign are clean different things. If I would have given way to an arbitrary way, for to have all laws changed according to the Power of the Sword, I needed not to have come here, and therefore I tell you…that I am the martyr of the people”

<The true monarch, like many who have gone to their martyrdom for this principle, fight for their absolute power (or divine right if you like) not out of personal ambition but because in so doing they are fighting for the absolute right of every one of their people to all that is justly their own.

<It could, perhaps, more simply stated this way: in such a system everyone has absolute power over all that is legitimately their own. Just as the monarch cannot simply take life, limb or property from his nobles or people at his whim, because they have absolute right to it, neither can the people, at their whim take the Crown or royal authority from the monarch.

Monarchy starts with a good premise for liberty and laws and fairness. It is unequal; the monarch inherits his authority and status as a king and it represents the highest reproduction of these values. A crown has no words, no articles, and no doctrine; but the crown represents something stronger. In Bossuet's properties of royalty, monarchs are subject to reason and will have consequences for their actions. A monarch could shoot himself and have consequences for it. There is no business making up hypothetical horror stories of a monarch becoming a tyrant at whim. This is a republican myth that asserts all monarchies are tyrannical and all republics are libertarian.The political reality wouldn't allow for it for monarchies, and the structure and legitimacy of monarchy is necessary. The absolute power of kings is necessary for their organic capacities.

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 No.6301

>>5942

God comes to the picture when you realize more about yourself. What does it mean for the Source of all being to reflect self-awareness and the fullness of experience?

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 No.6303

>>5918

/monarchy/'s favorite clip.

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 No.6304

>>6301

>What does it mean for the Source of all being to reflect self-awareness and the fullness of experience?

You're going to have to tell me, because I'm not quite sure what you mean by that.

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 No.6326

Bloody Cromwel, bloody Bradshaw and Tyrant Ireton, who being drawn to Ty∣born upon two Sledges,January 30. 1661. the same day of the moneth as they Murdered our Sovereign Lord King Charles the first, of ever blessed Memory, Cromwels Sledg comming first to Tyborn, his Coffin was broken open, then a rope put about his Neck, by the Execu∣tioner, and drawn upon the South side of Tyborn, Bradshaw and Ireton, come on the second Sledg, and Bradshaw was drawn up with a rope on the East side of Tyborn, and Ireton was hanged on the North side; they did hang for the space of six or seaven hours, in the view of thousands of people, then was their heads cut off by the Executioner, and their bones buried under Ty∣born, and their heads set where the Kings Majesty pleaseth.–

To the Tune of, Oliver was of Huntington, &c.

VVHO did not hear of Olivers Nose,

with a fa, la, la, la, la, lero.

It was of the largest sise as I suppose,

with a fa, la, &c.

O he was excellent cunning and wise,

And Craftily fooled the people with lies.

And thought by his wit to furmount the Skies,

with a fa, &c.

He was a Souldier in time of the VVar,

with a fa, &c,

And he caused many a bloody scar,

with a fa, &c.

From a Captain unto a Lord Generall,

And then a Protector at last of all

And from that high stile he there caught a fall,

with a fa, &c.

But in the first place, he ruld as a King,

with a fa, &c.

He had his pleasure, the world in a sling,

with a fa, &c.

He had whatsoever with the beck of his fist,

And ••m•unded all men to what he list,

And those that offended, he gave them the Twist,

with a fa, &c.

Then Noll at last fell mighty sick,

with a fa, &c.

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 No.6327

A List of the names of those Traytors that wed, drawn, and quartered for murdering th' soveraign of blessed memory, Charls the First

• Thomas Harison,

• John Carew,

• Tho.S•••

• ••••ory Clement,

• John Jones,

• Adrian Scroo••

• 〈◊〉 Petets,

• John Cook,

• Col.Axtel,

• Col.Hac••

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 No.6309 [Open thread]

There are many electoral monarchists showing their vices and making communists blush with their talk of guillotines and beheading monarchs. This is a shameful state for a monarchist to be in, electoral or hereditary, but that won't be the topic of this thread. Rather than discuss people with a vendetta against monarchy (whether it is absolute or plain hereditary; mostly narrows to hereditary), I'll have to be an apologist for hereditary monarchy. This is because these people basically come down to a hatred of primogeniture succession. For the reason of centralizing land and favoring the eldest son unequally over the other sons.

>centralization

Monarchists who favor hereditary principle and yet still like primogeniture have to wrestle with two extremes. There is the aristocrat-lover, ultra-individualist who hates nations and nationalism in favor of micro-states and divided up counties/prince-electors, and then there is the nationalist who wants the big national state with democratic anti-primogeniture sentiments. This comes down to the age-old struggle between monarchy, aristocracy, and democracy. The monarchies of the WW1 period in Central Europe reached a middle ground between nationalism and royalty. There were two German states, but an encompassing pride for nation regardless. This might upset nationalists who favor complete unification while seeing multi-ethnic peoples together in hereditary empires. Hereditary empires unified people thanks to primogeniture (without electoral succession) thanks to gavelkind succession becoming less practical. Centralization organically grew as land became more indivisible because the eldest son inherited land and the land remained tied and incorporated more and more people on said land rather than constantly unifying and splitting it up again.

The electoral monarchies were strongly hereditary monarchies and those that weren't would later become hereditary with the rise of primogeniture. I don't think the electoral process of aristocrats would avoid centralization, despite primogeniture bringing people under a fold. Usually centralization and decentralization are a rising tide and happen regardless, especially when empires grow larger and larger; but this doesn't mean they have to be overbearing on liberty. An anon pointed out that the Russian Empire, despite centralizing with the Romanov dynasty, sPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.6312

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"Our new Constitution is now established, and has an appearance that promises permanency; but in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes." – Benjamin Franklin, in a letter to Jean-Baptiste Leroy, 1789

Aristocrats and parliaments, elected head of states, they consider to be tax watchdogs that will keep taxation relaxed. I doubt it. While you could point to outrageous examples of dynasties with high taxation, like Qin Dynasty, which embraced legalism, you can also notice other dynasties with lower taxes. Take notice of this quote:

"The Chinese people have only family and clan solidarity; they do not have national spirit…they are just a heap of loose sand…Other men are the carving knife and serving dish; we are the fish and the meat." - Sun Yat-sen describing Qing Dyasty and how decentralized it was. If Qing Dynasty isn't good enough, Ming Dynasty was pretty hereditary and they were laissez faire.

Hereditary monarchies don't have to be so strongly centralized. Most monarchists want a dynasty to last as long as possible (seen as a good thing), an aristocracy that respects kings, and some kind of prevailing order. While, on the flip side, people could argue that centralization is better than decentralization. I might as well say it there could be a middle ground.

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 No.6313

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>>6311

If you want better laws, you should first think about what moral influences are behind those laws before extolling them. The imperial dynasties embracing Confucianism usually had lower taxes. The imperial dynasties embracing legalism typically were stricter and had stronger laws.

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 No.6314

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>from succession thread (because why not)

<Male-preferred primogeniture makes the most sense to me, as long as there is some legal mechanism to allow for disinheriting the crown prince if he is not of sound body or mind. Things like tanistry, partible inheritance, and the Rota system encourage civil war and the gradual disintegration of the realm. Primogeniture allows for an indisputable heir to the throne to be (hopefully) produced either before the reign of the king or early on in it. This allows them time to be trained extensively in the duties they will one day fulfill, and also minimizes the chance of needing a regency council to run the kingdom because the king died while his heir was a child.

>Should children under morganitic marriages be recognized for purposes of inheritance or succession?

<I see no reason why not, especially if the marriage would be particularly eugenic. Introducing a bit of genetic diversity to the noble gene pool is not a bad idea, and marrying commoners who have no claim to anything might be safer for the realm than marrying into a family from a rival kingdom that will be able to make a legitimate claim to your throne in a few generations.

>Should children under cousin-marriages be recognized for purposes of inheritance or succession?

<That's a tough one. Cousins are usually genetically distinct enough to avoid most of the risk that comes with incest. However, falling into a Hapsburg situation where successive generations are continually marrying their cousins will eventually lead to a bad situation, even if the political benefits of keeping certain lands and titles in the family are undeniable. The best approach would probably be one where cousin marriage is legal but socially stigmatized, and any children not of sound body and mind are disqualified from the succession.

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 No.6317

>>6314

>any children not of sound body and mind are disqualified from the succession.

By whom? The primary issue I see with giving a power like this to some outside body, is that the outside body will abuse their power to declare royalty mentally unsound in order to gain more power for themselves.

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 No.6320

>>6317

>By whom? The primary issue I see with giving a power like this to some outside body, is that the outside body will abuse their power to declare royalty mentally unsound in order to gain more power for themselves.

Hm, the dynastic succession normally would go to the monarch if things were sound. The monarch could secure his succession. If not, the royal house. If not the royal house, the privy council. If not the privy council, clergy and parliament could assist. I think the body is enough to secure itself. It is a tough call.

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