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 No.3663 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

I know monarchism and the third position has had a complicated past it is a love hate relationship between us but our goals are the same and that is to preserve and improve our nation culture and people we received a gift from one of you not so long ago it was a harmless drawing but still a gift never the less I view this gift as a sign of friendship and I hope our 2 boards remain as allies we are both nationalists after all

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 No.4636

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Monarchy is ultra-nationalistic and extremely hateful.

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 No.4647

>>4636

for you ;^)

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 No.4655

>>3679

>>4636

>Monarchies are nationalistic

Tell that to your colonies, then to the rest of the world.

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 No.4663

>>4655

Uh, do you think only monarchies have wars and rule over the losers?

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 No.4672

>>4663

There are distinct differences in how a Monarchist and a Nationalist view the taking and acquiring of land. Generally, in a monarchy, conquest of lands without any justification except spreading imperialist interests is only acceptable when done so in savage lands (such as Africa, parts of Asia, and the Americas prior to colonization). The taking of lands of others monarchies need a proper claim to the lands such as a connection to a family that ruled the lands in the past or a claim to lordship over a demesne that formerly owned said lands. Nationalists, on the other hand, generally justify their conquest either on the grounds the unification of a single nationality or national interests (such as Lebensraum). A Nationalist believes in the right of every nationality to govern themselves. Hence why the various Nationalist groups in the Balkans staunchly opposed the Austro-Hungarian monarchy and their occupation in the early 20th century.

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 No.4553 [Open thread]

You think the Queen is thinking "Fuck, another car accident would be too obvious?".

Why aren't they going public with this? Why aren't there whisteblowers? Why are there no anonyous interviews?

Why is this race mixing only praised? Especially if people talked about how much of a scandal it was to marry a low-born woman just a few years ago?

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 No.4609

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>>4607

The slippery slope only exists because of the (((Kabal))). They will get their way regardless until people call them out on a mass scale and take action against them.

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 No.4610

>>4608

>British Monarchy just sit back and let Republicanism and Communism take over on the continent after WW1

Go read some history >>4052 and discover for yourself.

>>4609

No, if it was still like it was, and they didn't succumb to social contract theory as explained >>4557 here.

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 No.4611

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>>4610

>Go read some history >>4052 and discover for yourself.

Not addressing the point and yes I have read 'Histories.'

>No, if it was still like it was, and they didn't succumb to social contract theory as explained >>4557 here.

Democratic leaders are puppets of Financiers. You can either be cuckservative or (((progressive))). So yes the (((progressives))) support (((mass-immigration))) because the (((Synagogue of Satan))) often indirectly (sometimes directly in the case of Macron) commands them too and it is an easy way to get more votes when all the controlled media is pro-alien. The 'social contract theory' just shifts the power to the media, and the media is owned by WHO?

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 No.4612

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>>4611

This fookin' greenpill shit. You don't have to (((echo))) the Synagogue of Satan. We get it. I don't see you complaining about Jewish bankers and such funding the Bolshevik Revolution or stretching back to how Jews got in after Cromwell let them in.

>The 'social contract theory' just shifts the power to the media, and the media is owned by WHO?

This is not what I mean by social contract theory.

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 No.4624

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>>4612

> I don't see you complaining about Jewish bankers and such funding the Bolshevik Revolution or stretching back to how Jews got in after Cromwell let them in.

OK? Sure.

>This is not what I mean by social contract theory.

Yes you mean that the people choose their leaders, and so the leaders choose their people? Well this wouldn't be possible without the media being (((controlled))) by hostile anti-native forces.

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 No.33 [Open thread]

Social-monarchy, is this idea even compatible?
Feudalism is no more, but why must you succumb to capitalism? I find socialism to be a better successor.

Historical examples:
Chinese Empire under Wu Zetian
Incan Empire
In Mesopotamia the Semitic monarchies - Assyria and Babylonia. You may see the uncanny resemblance of Lenin's Mausoleum to Ziggurats.
Persian Empire under Mazdakism

Or more modern:
Napoelonic Empire, perhaps best example of it. Modern day Bonapartists are just national-social-democrats, but historically it was inherently a social-monarchic movement.
Fascist Italy, worked like diarchy. At the end King overthrown Mussolini
Japanese Empire
Argurably socialist-leading, both countries were also realising monarchist priciples. Japan could create countries like Manchukuo with Qing Emperor as head of state, or Mengukuo, Italy would give Emmanuel titles like Emperor of Ethiopia, or send Prince Tomislav II to Croatia.

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 No.2045

>>1974

scum

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 No.3245

I'm absolutely against giving people something for nothing.

But I'm 100% in favor of doing things that helps a people ascend.

Subsidize their books.

Build them roads.

Build educational institutions.

Limit the workday to 8 hours.

Build hella libraries, opera houses, strength through joy (but only for high culture, no thugs)

I'm not about taking from the rich and just GIVING it to the poor. But if it costs the rich a bit of money to help the poor enrich themselves, spiritually and materially, that seems fine to me

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 No.4523

>>33

Given what we've seen with socialists and their attitude towards monarchy, I cannot say, OP. I doubt they would comply and there are many things anti-monarchistic from the socialist pov. I think it's a stretch to refer to older civilizations as just socialism.

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 No.4525

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>>454

>The main problem that capitalism poses is that it doesn't offer much room for genuine aristocracy, favoring a bourgeois run society or a society of mass consumerism.

"Capitalism" doesn't do that. Modern consumerism is enforced by leftist Keynesianism, which dominates Western democracies and fetishizes consumption over all other parts of the economy. Without leftist policy stimulating consumer spending there would be no "consumerism."

>>3245

>I'm not about taking from the rich and just GIVING it to the poor. But if it costs the rich a bit of money to help the poor enrich themselves

But that's literally the socialist argument, they even make the same suggestions for spending you do–muh roads, muh schools, muh unions. And the answer to these suggestions is the same one it always is: The Economic Calculation problem. Even neglecting the fact that socialist policy (and yes, publicizing some industries but not other is still socialist policy) is fundamentally incompatible with human incentives, even if we pretend for the moment that you can create the perfect "New Soviet Man" whose incentives are altered to be in line with socialism, socialists cannot solve the Calculation problem. It extremely inefficient to determine consumption without a price system, and fundamentally impossible to determine supply-side resource allocation without a price system. It doesn't matter how big your computer is or how much information you have collected, without a price system you cannot do proper calculation, because prices are the only method through which one may quantify the inherently subjective valuations of individuals within the economy. Therefore, any attempt to subsidize or centrally plan any industry will result in costs increasing and quality decreasing.

Free enterprise is the economic policy most compatible with the monarch. Both encourage low time-preference behavior, and both benefit from the massive productivity increases as a result. Socialist policies will only push a monarchy further towards thPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.4546

>>1975

similar to brunei

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 No.670 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

Can women be rightful monarchs?

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 No.4030

>>688

Victoria was one of a kind the downfall of the empire began with the end of her glorious reign

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 No.4193

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>>670

Yes, depending on the Royal domain and the laws of succession.

That said, Elisabeth II has failed as Queen, and her crown is forfeit.

Why? The UK monarch pledges to defend the realm. She has clearly failed in this to the utmost degree. Even the capital city of the former Empire is mostly non-British.

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 No.4195

>>4193

The Monarch also lost immense amounts of territory. The entire Empire of India for one, and gave Hong Kong to the vile Communists in China.

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 No.4202

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>>4193

Queen Elizabeth II is the best anglos are going to get for a good while. The parliament definitely has failed the people10x more than the Queen. The active political bodies usurped authority and used it to propagate these laws. And democracy? Look at the muslim Mayor of London. No better. The United Kingdom is ruled by a gentle old woman, a grandmother, and largely discredited from using theoretical authority.

>failure, anon

Tell that to any individual who fails to defend Britain. Tell that to anyone who believes in popular sovereignty. Have the British people failed, anon?

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 No.4437

>>670

No it is for royal men only.

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 No.2989 [Open thread]

How does /monarchy/ feel about imperialism and the legacy of colonial empires? Do we have apologists for it? For or against it?

Common arguments are the colonial empires benefit the conquered in building various institutions like hospitals, schools, and developing the economy in exchange for the resources. Christian missionaries also followed in the dominion of empires, spreading Christianity and churches along the way. From the Christian perspective, this is a very benevolent force of colonialism. Among these benefactors, the empires were not all necessarily violent in their expansion. A few of the indigenous people and local royalty chose to side with the empires. Nothing comes without price, so the subjects of imperial rule surely had to benefit the colonial rulers. It still benefited both to a degree, despite the subjugation or incorporation of those peoples. The rise and fall of empires brings glories and shame across the globe. Yet nobody would give away an empire, as the empires were a higher status among nations.

Obvious downfalls were the violence and horrors of the domain. No person easily accepted subjugation without a cost. The cost-benefit evaluation always throttles. When faced with enemies, it comes to compromises with a higher power, but it often means being taken advantage of. Still, for what colonial empires were, the name British Empire still evokes a sense of pride and glory.

If not for empires, it should be stated what better alternatives ought to exist. What we see in the world today is touted to be imperialism in disguise and a few mark the United States as an empire. Despite the US being far from the glories of an empire, there is a perceived hegemony across the globe. – Besides that, what models there instead of an empire is interesting enough. Like monarchy, I consider an empire to be most honest in how desirable it is to take the status of an empire.

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 No.4391

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

The real question is "Is colonization or genocide the answer?"

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 No.4393

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>>4391

GENOCIDE

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 No.4394

>>4374

Don't take my words the wrong way, I'm not about to start tut-tutting the empires of old for exploiting muh poor innocent shitskins. I just see it as a waste of time and resources. It's debatable whether the colonies were a net gain or loss to their parent Europeans, and even if they were ultimately in the black, it's still not worth the opportunity cost. Sure, you might get some marginal gains from trying to teach civilization to a bunch of savages who neither want nor understand it, but consider how much greater the returns would be if you took that same sum, and invested it in a cultured, educated group of of your own countrymen?

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 No.4395

>>4394

Let me compare the major colonial powers' legacies (I'll miss a lot, some are arguable, I'm ignoring a lot of minor bullshit and mainly islands, whatever, this is cursory):

> Britain: Canada, U.S., Belize, South Africa, Rhodesia, Hong Kong, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, Nigeria, Kenya, Egypt

> Spain: Central and Latin America

> France: Quebec, Louisiana, Haiti, Chad, Algeria, Sudan, Madagascar, Senegal, Niger, Tunisia, Syria, Laos, Vietnam

> Belgium: the Congo

> Portugal: Angola, Timor, Macao, Brazil, Mozambique

> Japan: Manchuria

> Netherlands: Suriname, Indonesia, South Africa

> Germany: Cameroon, Namibia, Rwanda, Tanzania

> Italy: Somalia

> Denmark: Greenland, Iceland

If I were to rank them in terms of outcomes (whatever that means, and however you'd scale it against population), I guess I'd say something like this:

Good parents:

>Britain, Denmark

O.K. parents:

> Spain, Portugal, Japan

Bad parents:

> Germany, Italy, Netherlands

Shit parent:

> France

Worst parent:

> Belgium

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 No.4399

>>4395

A loose correlation I'm noticing here is that the two "good parents" had more colonies that ended up being self-governing, ie Europeans governing other Europeans, as opposed to Europeans playing nanny to savages.

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 No.4307 [Open thread]

Join The Black Storm Today- America's #1 Active Pan-Monarchist Organization!

http://6epbfbgzfbfijcwe.onion/

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 No.4336

>>4335

To elaborate on my point further, we are seeking to recruit specifically from this board in particular in that as of writing, we can be perceived as a lot more radical than your average constitutionalist r/monarchism viewer- which is an environment 8chan provides. To elaborate more about our actual goals, I'll post an excerpt from our platform (which is all viewable on the website):

"Black Storm is, in addition to a Monarchist organization, an American Ultranationalist organization. We believe that the iron will of American people, and not the American government, have been the driving force for it’s national success and elevation to a superpower amongst all other nations. We consider ourselves the spiritual successors of like-minded movements throughout American History, such as the Constantian Society, the men behind the Prussian Scheme, and Colonel Lewis Nicola."

"This differentiates Black Storm from previous American Monarchist organizations that simply sought to restore the domination of the British Crown over the American people- as we advocate for a specific, natural-born American individual to assume command of the movement. This individual holds verifiable descent from the Carolingian Dynasty, specifically the Lombard branch. Said individual has already agreed to take up the burden of the crown when the time comes, and will defend the interests of every loyal subject until the bitter end."

TL;DR We have an actual claimant who has endorsed our organization, and whom holds verifiable, recorded noble ancestry dating back to the Holy Roman Empire.

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 No.4343

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American history starts with the English Civil War

Remember that all political thought and the conflict between monarchy and republic begin with the English Civil War. The narrative doesn't start with King George III. It starts with King Charles I. It is an exodus story, but also the story of Aeneas, who fled from Troy and founded Rome. The eventual conflict with monarchy is the conflict between these two and liberty.

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 No.4345

pansecessionism > panmonarchism

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 No.4347

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There are many dissident American voices from the past that would critique the current state of the United States of America. Edgar Allan Poe and H.P. Lovecraft might agree somewhat with what we have to say. Ezra Pound strongly sympathized with fascism and advocated social credit. Pound's was very yankee doodle and he was a strong visionary.

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 No.4348

Despite all the haters that came up out of nowhere (sidenote: what have you guys done? Have you even tried anything other than shitposting on this board?), it looks like a good website OP. Keep it up.

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 No.3132 [Open thread]

I haven't seen a discussion thread about anything regarding The Journal of Neoabsolutism, so I'll get one started.

>What is Neoabsolutism?

I don't know what distinguishes it from regular absolutism other than this being new and absolutism being old, however there is most likely a definition on the two websites that the ideas come from. The two wordpresses where the term "neo-absolutism" comes from are The Journal of Neoabsolutism (https://thejournalofneoabsolutism.wordpress.com/) and the earlier wordpress which preceded it, Reactionaryfuture (https://reactionaryfuture.wordpress.com/).

This thread will be for the discussion of the ideas on these two sites, a good place to start is the "Absolutist and Anarchistic Ontology" (https://thejournalofneoabsolutism.wordpress.com/2017/05/02/absolutist-and-anarchistic-ontology/). This section of the site is a good place to start for any new monarchist and will get them to stop thinking like republicans and more like monarchists.

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 No.4290

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This board is full of the non-absolute variety. We have (A. anarchists. (B. constitutionalists. (C. democrats. I am surprised to find that an absolute monarchy is least popular on this board lately.

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 No.4291

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 No.4292

Anarchists have a strawman about what absolutism is. It is unfettered sovereignty of a crown from a constitution or assembly. The feudal perspective is absolutist for the 'Divine Right of Kings'. It has nothing to do with being 'statist' or 'totalitarian' as it seems. The usual problem is the anarchists perceive absolutism as social contract theory. This isn't the case for all absolutists. This is the Hobbesian political philosophy. The feudal concept of vassalship actually persists in the absolute monarchy rather than what anarchists would believe. It is all about autocracy and people rather than laws and ideals.

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 No.4294

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I recommend reading this.

When you only look at things from an economic pov, like feudalism, and receive anarchism as an economic structure… the way monarchy is understood is much different. Unbelief and Revolution approaches the loss of 'Dei Gratia' monarchy and the decline. Unbelief and Revolution is from a Reformist view. It deals with political philosophies and revolutions. The absolutist pov is not about big gubmit or being totalitarian. This is a misunderstanding. You can point to King Louis XIV and 'I am the State'. This is perhaps what they're poking at. It isn't about social engineering, though. Frankly, the monarchy is a form of government. It is not an anarchy. It is not an economic pov.

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 No.4295

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>pic related from 'Unbelief and Revolution'

This explains what I mean.

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 No.3972 [Open thread]

Does anyone ever get tired of this world?

>every Western world leader subscribing to republican ideology wears crass suits and ties, a small flag pin to represent their nation, and they carry an overbearing statesman look of robotic individualism.

>certain communists dress counter this appearance with their slick shirts and buttons, strikingly different and partisan, with sometimes an ideology pin and the portraits of their dear leaders (DPRK is a weird exception there with its hereditary leadership). Like the big leader giving memos to the workers.

>progressive strong independent women dress bright, unique, and colorful with their little coats, and sometimes try to match the boring individualism of their male counter-parts

<individualism, why do you use that word OP?

Because that is the impression I have. They dress as an ordinary individual and nothing more, not as anyone with great status or sovereign power, only to resemble the People that vote. It brings them to a mundane level. People think individualism as the opposite: a wonderful ideology of vibrant energy and new touch; instead, the republican robotically takes the mantle of individual and wears it with stolid statesman pride, without a hereditary achievement, sovereign status, or incentive to be something else greater than mere individualistic statesman and take royal photos with their royal family and engage in ceremonial customs and outstanding uniforms and majesty.

>republican mediocrity

I want it on all levels. Where republicans make everything plain and boring. I want to see where it siphons out a national spirit and heritage to boring, international cosmopolitanism and atomic individualistic outlooks even surpassing nations. Anything, really.

>this world

Has become very mundane and republicanism reveals the most mundane aspect of the human condition apart from the most fanciful and imaginative.

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 No.4057

File: e4bfe88a863032d⋯.jpg (47.46 KB,600x401,600:401,wałęsa.jpg)

>>3972

> with sometimes an ideology pin and the portraits of their dear leaders

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 No.4172

What's with the anime images, though?

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 No.4178

>>4172

Anime is for shitposting.

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 No.4191

File: 204b20d530ddcd9⋯.png (Spoiler Image,1.18 MB,1200x849,400:283,da1bbe950ddb7bf29a35d6fbd0….png)

>>4022

… No it isn't. The EU parliament has no real power, the EU commission rules. It's similar to the FED in the US in terms of structure, because the same global cabal rules after having removed the Monarchs in WW1, and defeated the 'reactionaries' in WW2.

Now we have an global oligarchy organised around control of the issuance of currency rather than emergent from the family structure like the old Monarchical and Feudal systems. Although perhaps the Redsheild plan of a Zionist world Empire is nearing completion, they just need the future King in the UK to be born from one of their own. Clearly though such an Empire would not be in the name of protecting the British people though, and so according to monarchical law, would be null and void.

But I agree that even a true republic like the USA in the years before the Civil War can only last so long before destroying itself. The monarchies of Europe however had the choice not to engage in fratricidal war. Indeed, ties of marriage could have eventually unified Europe peacefully.

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 No.4206

File: b09cdf498e82ab0⋯.jpg (92.89 KB,500x354,250:177,_lnx79nOU3F1qktqch.jpg)

>>4191

>it's not real republicanism, anon

I wouldn't be happy if they became 'true republics'.

>defeated the 'reactionaries' in WW2

It's actually the Armies of Mordor. Learn your history, anon. Love > Hate.

>issuance of currency rather than familial structure

It's not about a global cabal. It is about liberty, fraternity, and equality. It is about ideologies. It is about international human rights evolving from human rights. It is about representation. These republican ideals have been used against you to the fullest extent. Rulers rule – you are correct.

>they just need the future King in the UK

Makes no sense. They already removed other kings. Zionists could subvert bloodlines. They are more concerned about mongrelizing it rather than infiltrating it.

>The monarchies of Europe however had the choice not to engage in fratricidal war

WW1 was a tragedy and Tsar Nicholas II and Kaiser Wilhelm II had testimonies not happy about entering the war themselves and sought to avoid it. It's not the (((Herman Bernstein))) story, as you cut it, that the monarchs were just incompetent and emotional.

>fratricidal war

WW2 was a fratricidal war. What happened to the pacifists from WW1 who wanted peace in WW2? In the US, they were told to be quiet and support the war.

>unified Europe peacefully

Utopian pacificism and fear is the smokescreen they use. The EU as a whole, commission and parliament – it's republican and part of the destruction. There is nothing valuable being subverted here.

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File: f741acba64f8bb7⋯.png (273.42 KB,1800x456,75:19,ClipboardImage.png)

 No.4084 [Open thread]

>literally wanting to serve another man

daily reminder you are all gay

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 No.4192

>>4084

Ancap leads to Monarchy. Property and concepts of ownership are the foundation of Monarchical society.

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 No.4194

>>4192

They are related, yes. But why do you say ancap leads to monarchy and not monarchy to ancap?

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 No.4196

>>4194

…because when you own land in Ancapland you are essentially the King on your land. Also your right's to your property have to be guaranteed by someone or your own power. It is literally no different from Absolute Monarchy except for being purely orientated around concepts of ownership. Traditional Monarchy also includes family and the duty to defend one's possessions as the head of a national or imperial household. It also defines the relationships between the people, the nobility, and the Monarch. Ancap is basically reductionist feudalism. Eventually someone or some group will own all the land, and everyone else will have to obey their rules.

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 No.4197

Monarchy provides justification for ownership of land, and establishes a social contract in a hierarchical fashion. King protects Barons, Barons gives King troops (or money). Barons protect the nobles under them, they give them troops, money, resources ect. Protection and Ownership go hand and hand. If you can't defend what you 'own' you won't own it for long. If you don't have a 'valid claim,' (usually historical) people might be more likely to take your land from you.

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 No.4198

File: 4d256007ac356ac⋯.png (477.73 KB,512x1094,256:547,b5fbb26bc316188e5dd3635aba….png)

>>4197

(((Media))) in Europe and US are now saying that white people have no valid claim to property (or life) this spurs invaders to come and take what is easily for the taking.

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 No.3875 [Open thread]

How do I become a King.

I suppose the only method is to become a dictator, and then declare oneself a Monarch. Or find some unclaimed territory and declare oneself a Monarch.

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 No.4124

>>4115

> infiltrate and subvert a democracy to elect you into power so you can abolish said democracy.

JANUSH KORWIN MIKKE !!!

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 No.4133

File: b72b0f21b508d5a⋯.jpg (173.58 KB,900x1147,900:1147,Dead meme incoming _45209c….jpg)

>>4124

Korwin is our light in the darkness.

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 No.4147

File: 339ad450a9cf22a⋯.jpg (659.75 KB,623x938,89:134,korwin na tronie.jpg)

>>4133

also he hopes arabs will destroy european union and that they will give europeans normality back (death penalty etc)

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 No.4186

File: d2661f5b4d2f4f0⋯.png (459.1 KB,510x845,102:169,eef2f436986f5b946ab40880c3….png)

>>4115

Yes, I think I will try to do this. I don't believe in the goodness of mobs anymore. Crowd sourcing only works in well defined circumstances.

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 No.4187

>>4186

I've accepted that I will never be comfortable in a moment that could turn on me at any time. Therefore to lead a movement based on personal loyalty is the only thing that makes sense.

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File: 65d483fdc53a423⋯.jpg (152.76 KB,790x1010,79:101,the lonely king.jpg)

 No.2137 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

Ok you /liberty/-flavored LARPers, explain to me how is monarchy different to other types of goverment. Tell me how in your autistic minds it is better than fascism. Tell me how will it all work in practice.

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 No.2563

>>2137

From Machiavelli's "The Prince":

"I will not here speak of republics, having already

treated of them fully in another place. I will deal

only with monarchies, and will show how the

various kinds described above can be governed and

maintained. In the first place, in hereditary states

accustomed to the reigning family the difficulty of

maintaining them is far less than in new monarchies;

for it is sufficient not to exceed the ancestral usages,

and to accommodate one's self to accidental circum-

stances ; in this way such a prince, if of ordinary

ability, will always be able to maintain his position,

unless some very exceptional and excessive force

deprives him of it ; and even if he be thus deprived

of it, on the slightest misfortune happening to the

new occupier, he will be able to regain it.

We have in Italy the example of the Duke of

Ferrara, who was able to withstand the assaults of

the Venetians in the year '84, and of Pope Julius

in the year '10, for no other reason than because

of the antiquity of his family in that dominion. In

as much as the legitimate prince has less cause and

less necessity to give offence, it is only natural that

he should be more loved ; and, if no extraordinary vices make him hated, it is only reasonable for

his subjects to be naturally attached to him, the

memories and causes of innovations being forgotten

in the long period over which his rule has existed whereas one change always leaves the way prepared

for the introduction of another. "

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 No.3211

It's not better than fascism. It IS fascism, but with a lower time preference.

Fascist dictatorships fail after their leader dies. Monarchies fail after their leading family dies (or utterly fails).

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 No.3230

>>2165

>And I wonder just how China could turn into republic.

And I wonder just how Germany could get divided into two countries and then turn into a republic.

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 No.3231

>>3230

Germany was made into a republic during WWI when the jews staged a coup that defeated the German war effort.

And I wonder just how the Spanish South American colonies could turn into republics exclusively.

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 No.4029

File: 7266d73cb764142⋯.png (1.99 MB,1200x750,8:5,ClipboardImage.png)

>>2137

(Absolute) Monarchism is not bound to a specific political direction. A monarch can, in theory, radically change a lot of government policies without fearing as much repercussions from his followers like a dictator or elected leader would. You could make entire economic sectors state-owned and privatized again if deemed necessary.

Communists for example would kill their leader if he privatizes economic sectors again that were state-owned before as its conflicting to their basic ideals, a Monarchs playground is more open there.

Monarchs are less likely than other heads of government to fuck shit up for personal gain.

Others don't have to care what happens after they retire, if the country goes to shit they can just take their family to a foreign country and live in a nice villa guarded by private security. Monarchs are much more likely to be careful about their actions, because they have to think about the long term effects that it can have for their children, who will eventually inherit their position as the head of state.

So even if the current monarch doesn't even have any sense of obligation towards his subordinate countrymen something fascist states are not immune to either, he'd atleast reign to the best of his abilities for his own childrens sake.

A downside of an absolute monarchy is of course that he could just start a war for petty squabbles, but the main reason why that happened in the past internal disputes of a giant family with several generations of systematic incest and resulting mental defects is no longer given and completely preventable for the future.

And arguably the constant wars were (and would still be a desperately needed) necessary evil to keep the human population in check, living space is eventually going to run out, humanity is becoming decadent if times are too good for too long and delusional retards, like SJWs, mostly came to existance in large cities.

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 No.3838 [Open thread]

What does /monarchy/ think about the upcoming elections in the U.S.?

What do supporters of monarchy do during an election? Write in a noble?

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 No.3889

>>3838

I am from Straya but I will share my brutal honest opinion with everyone on the U.S.A election. They are a complete joke and will do nothing good for the Americans.

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 No.3936

>>3889

What's your opinion on Sir John Kerr's dismissal?

Back to the OP, maybe this is too simplistic, but…it just seems far too hypocritical for a monarchist to vote. It seems like an abolitionist who owns a slave.

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 No.3943

>>3936

That's a bit too definite a correlation. I'd say it's more like an abolitionist who still wears cotton shirts, because the act of voting doesn't do anything to preserve the democracy in and of itself. The democrat will still claim legitimacy over his rule regardless of the voter participation rate.

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 No.3944

File: 5043707e1dac17a⋯.jpg (68.75 KB,600x820,30:41,get the stake.jpg)

>>3838

>What do supporters of monarchy do during an election?

You don't vote.

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 No.3958

>>3838

>What do supporters of monarchy do during an election? Write in a noble?

They don’t vote and many royalists knew that the democracy is a sham so there is no point in voting.

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File: 79d6661199a7ca7⋯.png (203.7 KB,328x364,82:91,when u federal as fuck.PNG)

 No.457 [Open thread]

Yo, in your ideal monarchy, who would you want as king?

Me? I'd pick this guy.

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 No.3909

File: 8156a599a3dd3d9⋯.gif (2.8 MB,450x231,150:77,samhyd.gif)

STOP THINKING LIKE REPUBLICANS

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 No.3910

File: 5094af86027630d⋯.jpg (27.1 KB,304x340,76:85,Sam_02.jpg)

A portion of it isn't cancer. >>975 Fending off communism isn't the same as dealing with authority. This is through the lenses of republican ideology and popular mandate – where partisanship and votes are the only source of power. A worthy deed, but not an anti-authoritarian deed, only anti-totalitarian.

>people can pick how their country is run

People don't pick as a whole. People don't pick sovereigns. They receive and they choose whether to consent or not consent. End of story. You can't even get a small group of people to cordially agree so easily.

>authority

Authority is when you receive a system of justice and sovereignty. It brings laws and order and you consent if you recognize it, abide with it, and receive. It comes at the verdict of chance.

>consent

Is whether you choose vigilante justice or not and whether anyone does anything about it with the authority. In the social contract state of nature, everyone has a right to everything and does whatever they want without authority and this is a very liberal state of being without much liberty to live easily. You are in a frenzied box with rabbits jumping around in disorder and infringing on your liberty for their liberty's sake.

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 No.3917

File: c3146e43bd745d8⋯.png (191.06 KB,434x455,62:65,1522563444421.png)

In that assassin scenario, only the law is being violated. It isn't against the communist's authority (because they don't have it). It is frankly just killing the communists. I have a narrow agreement with that anon. He would be surprised to know his notion of monarchism isn't so far from Divine Right and the providential view. It also involves big risks, people killing and sacrificing their lives, and a divine will. Sometimes people are sent to kill, or sent to punishment either to punish a people or themselves (through their actions). It didn't overall change the authority. That would probably remain. It did scatter the communists, though. The communists are merely a multitude.

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 No.3919

File: 5f0586e4179b8c0⋯.jpg (547.21 KB,800x818,400:409,1493952582187.jpg)

>Ideal

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 No.3920

>>3919

Pretty much, anon.

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 No.1791 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

Should there be an aristocracy to act as 'go-betweens' amid the underworld of the prole and the overworld of the heavenly monarchs; and if so, how should such an aristocracy be chosen?

Did anybody write about the role of the aristocracy very much?

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 No.1918

File: c132758e6c76c0e⋯.jpg (41.52 KB,600x540,10:9,1460816534654.jpg)

>>1911

>I call people niggers that are objectively black

>'oy vey stahp you raycis'

>niggers sing songs about killing whites and whites conspicuously start to vanish teheehee

>'no problem here'

What kind of kibbutz did you visit btw you kike?

>>1912

It's because they're evil.

>>1916

Hold your horses there. Only because this guy sung a song about killing his wife and his wife shortly thereafter appears cut into pieces in his car doesn't mean he did do it, because his cousin AND his mother have testified he would never do it. What do you say now you nazi?

>>1917

See? Killing all the whites is obviously an allegory for peace and prosperity. Now support diversity or else nazi scum!

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 No.1920

>>1917

>it's just an obvious fact that words aren't always meant literally

It's even more obvious that words mean something. You can say that "kill all whites" is not to be taken literally, but then how do we take it? If anything, it might be hyperbole for "kill some whites" or "be hostile to whites". That's conjecture, but it's plausible (not necessarily more plausible than the literal meaning). Taking it as a metaphor for living in peace together with whites would be absurd, plain and simple. Not the least because it was a political hymn, not some grand lecture by a spiritual leader. Hymns are supposed to be easily understood by the masses of the people, they miss their purpose when you need a doctorate to interpret them properly.

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 No.1932

>>1798

Shouldn't this manuscript be what this thread is discussing?

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 No.1941

>>1920

i already went over my interpretation in >>1908. then somebody idiotically suggested that it was ridiculous to take words non-literally.

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 No.3881

File: c53717032a5a70d⋯.png (863.31 KB,900x900,1:1,c53717032a5a70d09607b58d8d….png)

>>1791

OP, aristocracy just comes about. It isn't something you choose. If a king honors and plays with the political landscape, he has the power to bestow honorable titles and remove them. Often an aristocracy just is. The best solution is to build a hierarchy based on responsibility and loyalty first. The honors reinforce status, propriety, and discipline.

>about the role of aristocracy

Aristocracy belongs to major participants in a society. Imagine you have a circle of friends contributing to a game. And a circle of loyalists willing to dedicate themselves to your cause. You reward the people most opt to assist your cause and encourage good behavior and discourage bad behavior through ignominy. You want men who build up civilization rather than people who tear it down. This is where honorable titles should go with hierarchy. The ideal hierarchy is built around responsibilities.

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File: 16f28daba119442⋯.jpg (23.99 KB,770x437,770:437,hydra-animal-immortal-live….jpg)

 No.3173 [Open thread]

With genetic engineering immortality is within our grasp. Would an eternal monarch be better than mortal monarch who die and are replaced? It could be argued that changing rulers leads to instability.

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 No.3658

File: 7e45d29de9490ac⋯.jpg (347.24 KB,500x1000,1:2,ungern sternberg.jpg)

>>3656

The Constitution isn't an AI. It's a piece of animal skin. There's a difference between basing a government on a fashionable demotic political ideology and building a perfect monarch bereft of human foibles or mortality.

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 No.3662

File: 83046295d34951c⋯.png (259.73 KB,706x653,706:653,aya cringe compilation.png)

>>3656

>Only a person can intimately rule and this is the best you can really wish for… the absolute ruler… the leviathan… mortal god… above law and law-maker… the sovereign.

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 No.3676

File: 06e45e4cf8100a1⋯.jpg (108.16 KB,1181x897,1181:897,working_class_scum.jpg)

>>3662

Post normalfag cancer again, and I'll beat you with my cane.

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 No.3803

Someone will bring up Mr. House soon or later.

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 No.3818

>>3803

I think you just did.

>>3173

It sounds like the logical conclusion of monarchy to me. The prime advantage of a monarch over other forms of rule is that a monarch has lower time preference, and is more willing to forego gaining wealth now in favor of getting even more wealth in the future. Removing mortality from the equation will bring time preference asymptotically close to zero, allowing the monarch to think on a scale of decades or even centuries.

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