No.4207
Before I begin I need to address an incredulous issue of mine with republicans and WW1. We all know the deal with 'brother wars' and 'pointless wars' and how WW1 is related as the 'most pointless war' in 10 million people 'died in vain' to serve 'autocratic monarchies that just didn't care'. Let me be the first to say that WW1 was the worst thing that could happen. It did result in terrible industrialized machine-gun weapons, chemical weapons, and dirty trench warfare. Millions died in a brutal conflict. The nature of war, however, is nowhere near reasonable to begin with and pacifism is nowhere near reasonable either.
Republican hypocrisy is astonishing. There is a culture of pacificism around WW1 as the misguided and needless war. If there were constitutions, democracies, and representative governments, the People™ wouldn't have allowed this. The monarchs didn't care. This is the result of 'Nationalism' and 'Unscrupulous autocrats who didn't care'. These two terms 'nationalistic' and 'autocrat' undoubtedly point to the German Empire as being solely responsible for the war. WW1 propaganda often paints the Kaiser as the spooky man before Hitler who was the autocrat and the despot and generally blamed 'Prussian militarism' for the Great War.
Entangled alliances and nationalism as painted as institutions responsible for the great need to bring nations and monarchies to the great republican chopping block. Nevermind anything we see today. Nevermind NATO and other international bodies. It is all pointless.
WW2 is the propagandist war. The culture of pacifism found around WW1 was immediately snuffed out around the on-set of WW2. Pacifists were mocked. They were slipped out. The big republican governments took over and were responsible for the fate of Europe. The 'real men' were 'in charge' so to speak and they were going to 'fix Europe'. – What is this bullshit? You're telling me that the atrocities of WW1 were pointless and killed millions. How many people died in WW2? Nobody cares as much as WW1. WW2 is the propagandist war of our time and era. The virile propaganda snuffs out all pacifist ideals. This is the dogma of ideology and republicanism. The 'big boys' were in charge and the NWO committed worse atrocities than the Old Order. The heated propaganda still persists today and nobody is truly apologetic for it. We are still being feed propaganda. There is no room for pacifism in WW2. Pacifists are snuffed out. There is room for pacifists to ridicule WW1 and monarchies for democratic ideals. Just don't you dare look at the big elephant in the room.
>WW1 monarchs were all pro-war
They were for their countries. There were many pro-war people and people who believe that Germany was the big bad guy. This view of incompetent monarchs is from (((Herman Bernstein))) and the US pov. So much for pacifism in WW2 with FDR and the others. That goes out the window.
Herman Bernstein account:
https://archive.org/stream/willynickycorres00bernuoft#page/n5/mode/2up
Kaiser Wilhelm II Memoirs:
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/43522/43522-h/43522-h.htm
This rhetoric frustrates me the most. I'm just going to post and let people think for themselves. I am simply tired of it. They often boast about WW1 only to legitimize what happened with the Weimar Republic and WW2. We all know how that went. These tired arguments depicting the old regimes as incompetent and useless will go out the window. Everyone boasts to legitimize their regime in the eyes of the public – Axis and Allies. Both regimes have their share of doing this. I am giving the pro-monarchy response and pointing out this nonsense.
>Pacifism
This is an ideology of weakness. Utterly utopian. The only reason the world is anywhere near peaceful is because weapons of mass destruction maintain a stalemate. Not because it's become globalized or more republican.
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No.4227
Read Theodore Roosevelt's Foreword in that Herman Bernstein account.
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No.4228
>>4207
What annoys me the most about the WWI "story" as told by modernists is that they blame Austria-Hungary or Germany for it.
What country would not declare war if their second-highest official was murdered by a member of an organization that is well-known to be paid and supported by the intelligence services of another country, which then denies outside investigators from coming in?
And, as for Germany, what was it supposed to do? Tell it's brother country, a country they have had deep ties with for over a thousand years, populated by the same peoples, that their desire for justice is inconvenient?
The ones that made WWI into a world war w the democratic/semi-democratic Britain and France, who heeded a call for support by a nation that was acting utterly against any morality.
Imagine for just a moment what this supposed great paragon of justice that the US is would do if Mike Pence (plus wife) was murdered during a visit to Japan, by a guy smuggled in, trained by, and equipped by the Chinese, who then tell the Americans to shove off when they try to investigate.
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No.4231
>>4207
> pacifism is nowhere near reasonable either
what do you mean by pacifism?
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No.4234
>>4231
World peace is silly. You could say, "War is pointless." Peace is pointless. Peace and war and two states of being. The pacifist ideal doesn't really work. It is sometimes more reasonable to not be a pacifist. Sometimes you need strength and aggression to preserve peace. Sometimes gunboat diplomacy is a diplomatic aim.
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No.4238
>>4207
>>4228
Franz Joseph was actually reluctant to sign the declaration of war, due to a mixture of grief & happiness about the archdukes death and I believe the army being in an even more shit condition than usually.
Austria-Hungary only went to war with Serbia and consecutively the Entente because Conrad von Hötzendorf bullied him into signing it.
You can actually blame most of the things that went wrong on the austro-hungarian side to the high-ranking militaries. Like what happened after the last Isonzo battle, they finally broke through the italian defenses and could've chased them down to rome before they recover and consecutively force the landing entente reinforcements back on the water. But the (((general staff))) told them to stop and dig in instead for absolutely no reason.
That being said, World War 1 was inevitable. Everyone on both sides wanted a war in the next few years, some like the danube monarchy only wanted to wait since the starting terms were unfavourable and it really might've ended much different if they did.
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No.4244
>>4238
>World War 1 was inevitable
OP here. Personally, I like to imagine it wasn't. I wish WW1 never happened. The world and the destruction wrought is too much.
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No.4252
>>4207
I'm just saying, most of the monarchs in Europe were cousins, and they failed to stop WW1, a war that destroyed THREE EMPIRES, and their Monarchies. Austria-Hungary, Germany, and Russia. WW1 is the war that ended Monarchy in Europe as the dominate political system.
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No.4253
>>4252
Oh, I guess the Ottoman Empire was also destroyed. That's like the one good thing to come out of WW1. Finally smashing the Caliphate.
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No.4254
>>4207
I'll also say one more thing. The unique thing about Monarchies is the potential to solve conflict via the Royal Family(s). Imagine a personal union between Russia and Germany? History would be completely different. Monarchs can also directly deal with their counterparts, and suppress nationalist conflict. Monarchy is also a humanist government in that authority is invested in PEOPLE rather than Ideology. So Real 'Politik' can win out. Sadly this did not happen in WW1. WW1 destroyed the old Monarchal order leading to Communism and the subsequent Fascist (pseudo-monarchy) and National Socialist reaction.
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No.4255
>>4254
Personally, I like to Imagine a Personal Union between Britain and Germany preventing the descending star VS ascending star trap that was WW1.
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No.4256
>>4255
Umu, I suppose that is two things, and this makes three. Mistakes were made.
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No.4257
>>4234
>World peace is silly.
Maybe, but at least between major powers, necessary especially with the current level of weapons technology. WW3 will not be comparable to WW2. Nuclear and biological weapons could near annihilate the human species.
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No.4260
>>4253
>>4252
>>4254
>>4255
>>4256
>>4257
I hate to say it, peasant. There is hardly anything I can tell you to satiate your response.
>WW1 destroyed the old Monarchal order leading to Communism and the subsequent Fascist (pseudo-monarchy) and National Socialist reaction.
Wait and see. The world of ideologies is already dying.
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No.4268
>>4228
Everyone was guilty for the war though, Germany jumped in on the chance to fuck up Russia and destroy the Franco-Russian alliance, and then the French joined the war, they were defending their allies, but the alliance was made for the sole purpose of getting rid of Germany, and of course the UK also wanted to take part in that there's also the blockade that starved the germans for 4 years, and Italy joined in at the last minute so they could increase their power.
I think the only "good guy" in the war would be the ottomans, who wanted protection from the aggressive powers and was willing to join anyone as long as they weren't partitioned.
And of course, history is written by the victors, so it doesn't matter who won, because the loser would get the blame for the war.
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No.4271
Nobody else sees this double-standard?
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No.4273
>>4271
Monarchs and their dynasties are held responsible for national/imperial humiliation. Democracies just vote out the loser.
>Nobody else sees this double-standard?
Yes, but anon, everything is life is a 'double-standard.' Monarchs are held to a higher standard than (((Bankers))) or their 'democratic representative' puppets who can escape all responsibility and rule in the shadows.
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No.4274
>>4260
I hate to say it, peasant, but if you don't understand how WW1 destroyed Monarchism after my response, I can't help you understand.
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No.4277
>>4273
>>4274
Victory and defeat are inescapable conditions. Sure, in a democracy, you could 'vote out' the loser. It often isn't as simple as that. That doesn't always happen in a democracy.
>everything in life is a double standard
This is no excuse to look the other way.
>>4274
>but if you don't understand how WW1 destroyed Monarchism after my response, I can't help you understand
I don't condemn every monarchy to the benefit of monarchism. It is contradictory. Like I said earlier, victory and defeat happen and WW1 was a terrible war. Your ideal that if they just all got 'married' and 'stopped the war' for your 'pan-European monarchy' is just stupid. It isn't as simple as 'let's all get married'. Your democratic view of monarchy, where monarchs are held 'responsible to the People™ vote – the most idealistic resolve to this situation.
>3 cousins lead the war
It's as simple as you do to point fingers at all monarchies around the period and say so with the Herman Bernstein account. It just ignores all the preliminary events and conflicts. And by your standards, the republics are responsible and should be wiped for WW2 – they weren't replaced with monarchies. WW2 was a much larger disaster for continental Europe.
Go to /pol/ and tell them how Hitler was just a loser and come back here
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No.4282
>>4234
why dont you want world peace?
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No.4368
>>4282
>why dont you want world peace?
Because I want to watch this world burn to ash.
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No.4369
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No.4370
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No.4371
World peace is essentially asking for world government.
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No.4376
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No.4381
>>4376
Deal with it.
Mussolini has a point there. And fascism seems no more anti-monarchy than the soft conservatives and liberals. Perhaps even steadfast and better in proving loyalty to a monarchy. With regards to national socialism, I cannot say much. Fascism, however, has a good track record.
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No.4541
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No.4543
>>4207
<"People around the world but western people in particular have largely lost their sense of identity. This is the unavoidable result of the revolutionary period of history. The overthrow of monarchs, whose lives were the history of their nations, broke people away from their histories and traditions. It changed the way people viewed their countries, from a familial view to an entirely civic view. When the ruler could be anyone it was only a matter of time before the people could be anyone too." - Mad Monarchist
>"Nationalism is treason." - Emmanuel Macron
We were warned.
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No.4618
>>4543
This reeks of desperation from Macron. Literally saying that France and its existence is treason. The Redsheild puppet #1 has revealed all. Now if the French people do nothing, they deserve their fate.
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No.4638
>>4618
>Now if the French people do nothing, they deserve their fate.
Is it really fair to say that they deserve the government they got? Most people are actually quite stupid and easy to manipulate, half of the population has an IQ of less than 95, and if people were ever completely rational, socialist shitholes like North Korea wouldn't exist.
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No.4646
>>4638
>, half of the population has an IQ of less than 95
[citation needed]
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No.4651
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No.4668
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No.4671
>denying blood is a key source of a non-shithole society
In nature, animals with any level of notable organization don't organize outside of closely related enough kin (ants, meercats and other primates). Those not of blood ranging from prey to rivals. Even in humans, the most dysfunctional societies that aren't by Niggers are not homogeneous (South America for one, another being Muslim Land).
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No.4673
>>4671
>humans are not animals
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No.4681
>>4673
Rational animals yeah. Still bound by the limits in this world (the widespread revulsion to miscegenation, the failures of the Roman and Mongol Empires to maintain themselves compared to more homogenous states, etc.).
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No.4683
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No.4687
>>4681
nonhuman primates have some rationality too, same with hoomans
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No.4694
>>4673
>wanting to reduce mankind to animal status, where animals are regularly sent to industrial slaughterhouses, pulled into throngs, and routinely killed for their meat
Typical republican.
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No.4696
>>4694
Many "humans" don't deserve better treatment than the dog or cat. Like Achmeds.
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No.4721
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