No.4307
Join The Black Storm Today- America's #1 Active Pan-Monarchist Organization!
http://6epbfbgzfbfijcwe.onion/
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No.4308
Never heard of it. That's not even an original poster. Come on.
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No.4309
>>4308
That was intended. We're a growing organization. If you actually wish to see an American Monarchy, don't hesitate.
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No.4310
>>4309
What makes Black, White, and Purple more American than Red, White, and Blue? It seems too political and not cultural enough to work. If you want to propose a burger monarchy, you need to work within a culture – not outside of it. Sheer politics is just divisive.
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No.4311
>>4310
We're not making any connections to the Republic.
It's a proposed new Imperial flag to replace the Republican colors.
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No.4312
>>4311
Best not to erase our history. Incorporate Red, White, and Blue and make for a monarchist cause of liberty. The United States could take inspiration from the federal structure of the German Empire, if that's the vibe I get from your poster. It happened before with Horace Mann and others. However, the US wouldn't become a federal union of kingdoms that same way. It would require much a reversal of political convictions first. My steadfast answer is a kind of combination and balancing of the ideals of the republic and a monarchy.
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No.4313
>>4312
We're not "erasing" history. We're simply stating that the Republic is in dire need of a replacement.
And a balance cannot be achieved persay. Politics are too polarized.
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No.4314
>>4312
We have a 7-Point Main Platform which briefly discusses this topic and our ideas (as well as our most fundamental principles as a group and what we advocate)- listed on our website.
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No.4315
>>4314
>>4313
Okay, listen. We already have too many burger threads. >>2256 & >>824 – Go read up.
>>4313
Erasing the flag is erasing history. If you introduce a monarchy, don't erase the colors.
<White signifies purity and innocence, Red, hardiness & valour, and Blue, the color of the Chief (the broad band above the stripes) signifies vigilance, perseverance & justice."
Purity, valor, and justice? Let us not forget that these don't necessarily have to be anti-monarchy.
>replacement
You are powerless. Not until there is any function of Divina Providentia around you, or the will to support you… I cannot suggest anything. If God finds that the US republic must collapse, then we will see. I don't recommend this kind of approach. It is best to leave things the way they are, and you 'get what you get' attitude. Before you start with a political motive, it must be a cultural renewal to unite a people. To spitefully draw your politics and without anything cultural to unite Americans, it simply cannot work. Unless you become separatists – then you must separate.
>US values
Let's say that the government that provides the best for liberty… takes the cake with this justification. And whether it supports that the People have a role. Let's see how we can tie this up.
>pics related
In this picture, I present a quote from Hamilton and there are plenty of cases where the early Americans toy with the concept of having a monarchy for the US. This is the first example. Checks and balances? Perhaps a monarch to check your balance.
>consent and will of the People
Thomas Hobbes suggests that a monarch does, indeed, rule by the Will of the People and is sovereign. This concept of sovereignty and commonwealth is that a sovereignty is between a people and their justice.
>American liberty
Why stop at 1776? There are examples of loyalist Americans and colonial Americans that favored liberty and monarchies. You have Samuel Seabury and perhaps the example of the text "Nehemias Americanus" in Cotton Mather's book. There is the case of liberty and civil liberty. There is material to work with here. And finally, the English Civil War opens the argument of liberty; a martyred King who died to later show the demagogue's tyranny of Oliver Cromwell. Sure, the US condemns King George III. However, the Stuart line and the English Civil War could be needled into the narrative of American history and the root of our ideals.
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No.4316
Don't forget the idea of the US as the 'City on a Hill' and the phrase…
>In God We Trust
Divina Providentia, as a concept, although we consider it medieval and 'outdated' still exists with the US People. It is a political reality. John Locke himself was a Biblical constitutionalist. We can still have a kind of crown and a kind of constitution. It isn't that the 'People' necessarily need to be a democracy. It is that God leads 'The People' on an exodus for their liberty and fulfillment to the correct leaders to put them on the right path. People receive and -consent- in this view. There is room for compromise and balance. The US and the ideals of liberty don't belong to any particular government. If the US government fails and it becomes self-evident that it cannot support these things, perhaps and perhaps the chances will be in your favor.
<But why not make a political entity?
Because a cultural emancipation works better. Become a cultural force, not a political force.
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No.4317
>>4315
Oooh boy.
The fact that you're posting anime pics and quoting Hamilton and other enlightenment philosophers displays the hardwiring of the enlightenment in Americans. It's hilarious.
>Erasing the flag is erasing history. If you introduce a monarchy, don't erase the colors.
So I guess Russia erased its history when they introduced the Romanov tricolor?
>Purity, valor, and justice? Let us not forget that these don't necessarily have to be anti-monarchy.
We are for God, King, and Country.
>You are powerless. Not until there is any function of Divina Providentia around you, or the will to support you… I cannot suggest anything. If God finds that the US republic must collapse, then we will see. I don't recommend this kind of approach. It is best to leave things the way they are, and you 'get what you get' attitude. Before you start with a political motive, it must be a cultural renewal to unite a people. To spitefully draw your politics and without anything cultural to unite Americans, it simply cannot work. Unless you become separatists – then you must separate.
Modern day America is a fine example of what happens if you give power to the people, they run the country into the ground.
>Let's say that the government that provides the best for liberty… takes the cake with this justification. And whether it supports that the People have a role. Let's see how we can tie this up.
The People have a role to serve The Emperor. "Voting" won't exist in this Empire.
>In this picture, I present a quote from Hamilton and there are plenty of cases where the early Americans toy with the concept of having a monarchy for the US. This is the first example. Checks and balances? Perhaps a monarch to check your balance.
We are a Dark Enlightenment movement. Republics have historically been far more tyrannical than any Monarchy.
>Thomas Hobbes suggests that a monarch does, indeed, rule by the Will of the People and is sovereign. This concept of sovereignty and commonwealth is that a sovereignty is between a people and their justice.
"The People" are not Sovereign. The only sovereign is the one on the throne. Why should we allow the people to rule over us when every popular policy has been proven to run a country into the dirt?
>Why stop at 1776? There are examples of loyalist Americans and colonial Americans that favored liberty and monarchies. You have Samuel Seabury and perhaps the example of the text "Nehemias Americanus" in Cotton Mather's book. There is the case of liberty and civil liberty. There is material to work with here. And finally, the English Civil War opens the argument of liberty; a martyred King who died to later show the demagogue's tyranny of Oliver Cromwell. Sure, the US condemns King George III. However, the Stuart line and the English Civil War could be needled into the narrative of American history and the root of our ideals.
King George III, while insane, had a God given right to rule. The rebels, so infatuated with Lefty revolutionary ideas coming out of France ended up securing their own form of tyranny, (over taxation) for the 21st century. Funny how the revolutionary always seems to fight for an ideal, even though the outcome of said revolution produces worse conditions than what he was initially fighting against.
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No.4318
>>4316
>So I guess Russia erased its history when they introduced the Romanov tricolor
No, they corrected their history and de-constructed Marxist ideology. They restored it.
>Modern day America is a fine example of what happens if you give power to the people, they run the country into the ground
Nothing I said had anything to do with that. It's exactly what Maistre proposes. That God makes laws, and men make laws; people do consent, but people are not sovereign over themselves. A monarch has power and a monarch is sovereign. That just isn't what I'm about or arguing for here.
>The People have a role to serve The Emperor. "Voting" won't exist in this Empire.
Sounds fair to have an Emperor of the federation. However, I think it is best not to eliminate voting completely. Best to have democracy within the states and let the federal government to a monarchy. Or, somewhere along the line introduce aristocratic titles. But I don't think honorary titles can work here. Best to have a monarchy Bonaparte-style/July Monarchy theme or something that compromises with the republican ideal and just introduces an imperial government anyways. After all, France did that in its own way, and the US has its unique history as a colonial entity and also to the United Kingdom.
>"The People" are not Sovereign
You aren't going to get anywhere with this kind of rhetoric with Americans.
>King George III, while insane, had a God given right to rule. The rebels, so infatuated with Lefty revolutionary ideas coming out of France ended up securing their own form of tyranny, (over taxation) for the 21st century. Funny how the revolutionary always seems to fight for an ideal, even though the outcome of said revolution produces worse conditions than what he was initially fighting against.
I never condemned King George III. I just re-directed the narrative elsewhere to a martyred king that died and lead to tyranny, not liberty; I re-introduced the case for a monarchy that protects liberty – and isn't tainted like King George III is because of the Declaration of Independence. To prove I have no bias against that king, I will post a few MM articles to lead your discussion.
https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2018/02/americas-path-not-taken.html
https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2017/09/the-crimes-of-king-george-iii.html
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No.4319
This >>4318
meant for >>4317
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No.4320
>>4318
>No, they corrected their history and de-constructed Marxist ideology. They restored it.
I meant the Black-Yellow-White tricolour, not the modern day one.
>Nothing I said had anything to do with that. It's exactly what Maistre proposes. That God makes laws, and men make laws; people do consent, but people are not sovereign over themselves. A monarch has power and a monarch is sovereign. That just isn't what I'm about or arguing for here.
The way you articulated with that threw me off a bit there. But we can at least agree on that.
>Sounds fair to have an Emperor of the federation. However, I think it is best not to eliminate voting completely. Best to have democracy within the states and let the federal government to a monarchy. Or, somewhere along the line introduce aristocratic titles. But I don't think honorary titles can work here. Best to have a monarchy Bonaparte-style/July Monarchy theme or something that compromises with the republican ideal and just introduces an imperial government anyways. After all, France did that in its own way, and the US has its unique history as a colonial entity and also to the United Kingdom.
We are ruthlessly against enlightenment leftist republicanism in all of its forms. I suppose this group is for hardline Ultra-Royalists. And yes, we also support Imperialism and colonialism.
>You aren't going to get anywhere with this kind of rhetoric with Americans.
And that's the problem right there. Enlightenment dogma is drilled in their minds. But we're not complying with it. We will not allow the original left to get into power again. Consider this parallel: If a fire was started by a malfunctioning furnace, you would obviously want to put the fire out. But you would also want to destroy the furnace to prevent such chaos from happening again.
>I never condemned King George III. I just re-directed the narrative elsewhere to a martyred king that died and lead to tyranny, not liberty; I re-introduced the case for a monarchy that protects liberty – and isn't tainted like King George III is because of the Declaration of Independence. To prove I have no bias against that king, I will post a few MM articles to lead your discussion.
King George III suffered from madness, but he still retained his God given rights. It's a sad issue honestly.
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No.4321
>>4320
>I meant the Black-Yellow-White tricolour, not the modern day one.
The other Russian tricolor isn't so foreign to Russians or the Russian monarchy.
>We are ruthlessly against enlightenment leftist republicanism in all of its forms. I suppose this group is for hardline Ultra-Royalists. And yes, we also support Imperialism and colonialism.
Ultra-royalists sounds like a silly name. I recommend looking into Action Française as a movement (and don't dare think in partisan terms). They dealt with a deeply ingrained republican mentality and managed to become somewhat successful (most successful for any monarchist movement).
>And that's the problem right there. Enlightenment dogma is drilled in their minds. But we're not complying with it. We will not allow the original left to get into power again. Consider this parallel: If a fire was started by a malfunctioning furnace, you would obviously want to put the fire out. But you would also want to destroy the furnace to prevent such chaos from happening again.
I don't have an answer for you. Try looking into >>3258 this thread for inspiration.
>It's a sad issue honestly.
tbh fam, I think I cannot help you with this. You come on this board and recruit weebs. If you want any strength as an organization, you need dedicated members ready to die. You need people of actual IRL status. You'll end up looking like Kekistan autism if you depend on Internet consensus and approval. This is no way to achieve influence and popularity certainly isn't the way to begin with power. – Finding an okay place to discuss? Sure, you might learn a few things lurking here.
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No.4322
>>4321
>The other Russian tricolor isn't so foreign to Russians or the Russian monarchy.
Oh of course not. That's not exactly what I was getting at. I'm stating that the Romanov tricolor exclusively identifies the Empire. The stars and stripes on the other hand may inspire republicanism. Never underestimate the power of visual appeal.
>Ultra-royalists sounds like a silly name. I recommend looking into Action Française as a movement (and don't dare think in partisan terms). They dealt with a deeply ingrained republican mentality and managed to become somewhat successful (most successful for any monarchist movement).
The Ultra-Royalists were an actual political force in France founded by the Aristocrats. We find that we are in most in line with them.
>tbh fam, I think I cannot help you with this. You come on this board and recruit weebs. If you want any strength as an organization, you need dedicated members ready to die. You need people of actual IRL status. You'll end up looking like Kekistan autism if you depend on Internet consensus and approval. This is no way to achieve influence and popularity certainly isn't the way to begin with power. – Finding an okay place to discuss? Sure, you might learn a few things lurking here.
You're right on this. But we were trying tor recruit on multiple platforms. We don't allow weebs in the organization, so that leaves *most* of 8chan out.
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No.4323
The government that does best for liberty should take the cake.
>pic related is the King Martyr. (Like other kings and emperors; the best monarchs suffer).
Libertarian circles have become more and more sympathetic to monarchy as a form of government and there is a reason for this. Don't give up. And don't fret over 'Enlightenment ideals'. Just make a stronger case. I don't mean to take lightly to republicanism and republican ideals. Charles Maurras said many things that plucked the feathers of the French Republic. I recommend the same. However, it isn't as easy.
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No.4324
Let's consider the possible pathways.
>1. Anglo-American Empire; US and Britain re-unite. In an astonishing restoration, the two sovereign entities return and they enter a compact.
>2. US federal monarchy. Instead of infringing or destroying the US political structure entirely, revise and amend it with the least harm to the Constitution. Add a Crown and a 'Crown Mandate' as an oath for monarchs to defend liberty on behalf of 'The People', for an absolutist constitutional govt. (yes, this is a thing; it was the case in Japan). Monarch takes the role of 'Defender' and all the electoral and term ceremonies for the executive office become hereditary and coronation duties.
>3. Separatist Route. Country goes to hell. States break apart. Some become monarchies.
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No.4325
>>4324
I love that portrait! You have any in higher res?
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No.4326
>>4324
Lest we forget the crazy route; it is always available. Proclaim yourself Emperor and try your luck. It might work, and it might not. Personally, I also enjoy playing with alternative history or 'made-up' countries. This is, by extension, the 'separatist route' – to leave and make a country of your own.
>what country would you make, anon friend?
North American Commonwealth. Incorporate US and Canada. This is silly territory now.
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No.4327
To wrap a neat ribbon in this discussion, I will make a recommendation of 'how monarchy could re-establish itself in the continental US'.
>1. Uplift an American or American monarchy. Perhaps like Hawaii and their royalty and other niche cases. Or, an American politician slowly transitions the state to a monarchy. We see this hinted with an 'Emperor Trump' very often.
>2. Invite a foreign royal to take the crown and defend the liberties, thus leading to #3 as a silly alternative
>3. Jacobite autism. Invite a Jacobite pretender and enter strange territory.
>4. Make a coup d'é·tat.
>5. Wait for the inevitable collapse.
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No.4328
>>4327
I'm glad though we can all reach a consensus that this republic has got to go either way.
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No.4329
Maybe another country, that is a monarchy, could take over the US and you could swear allegiance to them. Might as well. That's how unlikely most people would think a monarchy coming to the US is. And MM already said, > “don’t waste your time”
However, he doesn't totally discourage it. If you want to make a change in society or go towards power, the first thing you need is hope.
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No.4330
>>4329
Well it's better to try than to circlejerk about it. The Monarchy won't bring itself. This group seems pretty dedicated
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No.4332
I am not here for insurrection. However, if sovereignty does dissolve, and liberty is trampled, I present that militia flag >>4315 here. It is a custom reactionary banner for Americans. Blue for justice and so on with lightning crossing.
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No.4335
>>4329
>>4327
>>4326
>>4324
>>4332
OP Here, I think you may misunderstand our intentions with this thread (this has been discussed countless times on this board)- we are not aiming to debate how to bring about American Monarchism, the purpose of this thread was to show that we are (from what we understand) the only active Monarchist group in the country as of writing. So, if any burgeranons want to join- we will welcome them with open arms as we extend this hand of friendship. It is our belief that the goals, writings, and organization of The Black Storm can rekindle the fires of Monarchism in the American Soul.
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No.4336
>>4335
To elaborate on my point further, we are seeking to recruit specifically from this board in particular in that as of writing, we can be perceived as a lot more radical than your average constitutionalist r/monarchism viewer- which is an environment 8chan provides. To elaborate more about our actual goals, I'll post an excerpt from our platform (which is all viewable on the website):
"Black Storm is, in addition to a Monarchist organization, an American Ultranationalist organization. We believe that the iron will of American people, and not the American government, have been the driving force for it’s national success and elevation to a superpower amongst all other nations. We consider ourselves the spiritual successors of like-minded movements throughout American History, such as the Constantian Society, the men behind the Prussian Scheme, and Colonel Lewis Nicola."
"This differentiates Black Storm from previous American Monarchist organizations that simply sought to restore the domination of the British Crown over the American people- as we advocate for a specific, natural-born American individual to assume command of the movement. This individual holds verifiable descent from the Carolingian Dynasty, specifically the Lombard branch. Said individual has already agreed to take up the burden of the crown when the time comes, and will defend the interests of every loyal subject until the bitter end."
TL;DR We have an actual claimant who has endorsed our organization, and whom holds verifiable, recorded noble ancestry dating back to the Holy Roman Empire.
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No.4343
American history starts with the English Civil War
Remember that all political thought and the conflict between monarchy and republic begin with the English Civil War. The narrative doesn't start with King George III. It starts with King Charles I. It is an exodus story, but also the story of Aeneas, who fled from Troy and founded Rome. The eventual conflict with monarchy is the conflict between these two and liberty.
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No.4345
pansecessionism > panmonarchism
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No.4347
There are many dissident American voices from the past that would critique the current state of the United States of America. Edgar Allan Poe and H.P. Lovecraft might agree somewhat with what we have to say. Ezra Pound strongly sympathized with fascism and advocated social credit. Pound's was very yankee doodle and he was a strong visionary.
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No.4348
Despite all the haters that came up out of nowhere (sidenote: what have you guys done? Have you even tried anything other than shitposting on this board?), it looks like a good website OP. Keep it up.
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