No.3838
What does /monarchy/ think about the upcoming elections in the U.S.?
What do supporters of monarchy do during an election? Write in a noble?
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No.3840
As a monarchist-sympathizing ancap, I don't see elections as a valid pathway towards achieving my goals and I don't think they ever will be. Democracies move faster left than any other form of government in the long term and they aren't a sustainable way of maintaining any kind of sensible policy.
All that being said, obviously those who hold political office wield a considerable amount of power over your daily life, and some men will carry that stick in a manner less objectionable than others; it is in one's own interest to make sure that the lesser evil is forced upon him. In other words, voting is effective so long as one recognizes that it is a self-defense mechanism and not a pathway towards anything you truly want. Only altering public opinion to our favor and eventual secession can do that.
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No.3841
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No.3842
>>3838
They're irrelevant, like any other election I've ever seen: You have the choice between doing what globalists want and doing what globalists want, but slower.
What has any conservative party conserved in the last century? What socialism have the socialist parties established?
The answer is none. Because they're inherently incapable of any actual ideology, because that'd mean a longer time horizon than a handful of years. Which is precisely why democracy has done its best to kill anything resembling actual morals or ideals.
You may take up politics as a hobby though, as long as you don't delude yourself into thinking it's actually doing anything. Other people keep a bonsai, I vote.
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No.3843
>>3842
>You have the choice between doing what globalists want and doing what globalists want, but slower.
That's still a choice, though, shitty as it may be. Taking the latter option gives you more breathing room and more time to prepare for securing your goals through means other than democracy.
> What socialism have the socialist parties established?
Quite a bit, because the nature of democracy inherently favors left-wing shittery over other policies.
Also, there is the prospect of using the political process as something other than a means for getting candidates into office; even if a man doesn't expect to win or get any policy decisions through, he can use a bid for office as a marketing tool, through which he gets people talking about certain issues even if his run doesn't take them to the state. On the lolberg side, a good example of this is Ron Paul. He didn't win his primary and I don't think he ever expected to, but simply by running he got a lot of people talking about the Federal Reserve and other issues. Despite his run being 6 years ago now I still meet people who say Ron Paul is what drove them to libertarianism. Granted, I'm not sure how well this would translate into promoting monarchical ideals, but it is worth noting that winning office isn't the sole purpose of a political run.
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No.3845
>>3843
>Quite a bit
Sorry, I should have been clearer: I meant what socialist party has reached the goals of socialism, namely giving the worker power?
None has, because it's inherently impossible to do within democracy because the average worker is easily manipulated by the media that is owned by the same (kind of) people that own the factory.
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No.3847
>>3838
>elections in the U.S.
>on /monarchy/
Jeez, OP.
>during an election
There is nothing you have the power to do. Best choice is not vote. Voting is another form of consent. We all know that consent is a dubious game. You cast the ballot and consent to republicanism. The truth is government isn't about who votes at the ballot. It is authoritarian and requires justice. When propagandists knock on your door, shut off the totalitarian messages. Democracy is totalitarian in its climax.
>write in a noble
No. There is nothing to do.
>democracy
Don't vote. Don't participate in democracy. Monarchy is not about popularity. It is about responsibility. It is about being an authority. It is about your who you are. It is about rejecting this.
>do nothing
<this is unfair! what can anyone do to put their voice in society?
If your voice didn't mean anything now, it doesn't mean anymore after the ballot is cast.
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No.3848
>>3843
>Vote for the lesser evil
No, don't vote at all. Voting is useless. Voting is giving a thumbs up or a thumbs down. It doesn't resemble real power and choosing something to 'represent' you is republican mentality. You don't choose people to represent you for your ideology. The strongest testament is loyalty without ideals as a foundation for strength.
<but if they don't favor my ideology, what will I do!
>the representative you vote into office does something you dislike, immediately pretend that representative never belonged to you
There you go. Become loyal to people, not ideals. The fallacy is that ideals are unchanging. In regards to people, the actuality of where power stands, a person remembers and forgets. Ideology is doomed to be remembered and forgotten. Vassalship is the reality. Responsibility to higher powers is the true front. It goes to the authority of the land and its sovereign body. The US relies on the sovereign power invested in the Constitution, through the consent of the People, as their kind of leviathan that dictates rules and changes with the constituents of this government. Their crown is their constitution.
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No.3854
>>3847
>Voting is another form of consent.
>this meme again
The current voter participation rate is what, 40 percent if that? Failure to vote does not indicate a lack of content, it indicates apathy. And apathy is more than enough "consent" for a government to remain in power, and your choosing not to vote has no effect on that. You're not demonstrating your lack of consent, you're just virtue-signalling to your edgy friends how woke you are.
>>3848
>No, don't vote at all. Voting is useless.
There's a reason the powers that be shill so hard for "Get out the vote" campaigns. If it was useless, why do they bother? Sure, no outcome of an election will get you truly what you want but there are very real differences between the policies that one or the other will enact.
>the Konstantin Pobedonostsev quote that's a cool last name by the way, it means "victor"
I don't disagree at all, republican "representatives" are to a T manipulative demagogues and sociopaths that don't represent anyone's interests but their own, and are merely skilled at getting people to like them. They only maintain their popularity through using the public treasury to throw a few scraps to the groups that support them. Don't take my words the wrong way, I'm not at all suggesting that democracy/republicanism is in any way desirable, and I don't believe any end goal that either of us want can be achieved through the ballot. What I'm saying is that voting has some limited utility as a self defense mechanism. In the States at least, one side may view me and the rest of the base with sheer, thinly veiled contempt and cares not a whit for what I want. But the other side wants me dead, along with the rest of my kin. Neither outcome can be argued to be the slightest bit desirable. One is unequivocably better than the other.
>The US relies on the sovereign power invested in the Constitution, through the consent of the People, as their kind of leviathan that dictates rules and changes with the constituents of this government. Their crown is their constitution.
I'd have to disagree with this. The Constitution is often used to justify one act or the other, but even a cursory reading of it with only a layman's understanding of the law shows that no one in the federal government takes the following of the Constitution very seriously. Parchment has no ability to limit the scope of government.
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No.3855
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No.3857
>>3854
>muh apathy
This isn't some nihilistic rant. This is /monarchy/, Voting is republicanism and I don't care for it. I don't vote. I recommend everyone to vote because voting is just faggotry. I don't care how many (((dollars))) get thrown into it. It isn't about wokeness; it is about being apolitical and above politics. It is about hating partisanship. I hate political popularity contests on principle, so I don't vote.
>You're not demonstrating your lack of consent
Of course. I said consent is dubious. You already consent if you aren't being violent. You already consent if you recognize and benefit from the justice system. You don't have to vote and consent further. You are free to escape political animalism.
>There's a reason the powers that be shill so hard for "Get out the vote" campaigns
I don't care what reasoning you throw forward. The republican mentality is popular mandate and social consent only matter. The republican mentality is that votes are the most powerful act. They are partisan and want you to vote to reinforce their power and influence. They want your mind to ascribe to their partisan ideology.
>voting
Stop acting like this is an empowering individual act. It isn't.
>voting
>self defense mechanism
Yeah, no. Voting requires no courage to really defend yourself. It is simply casting a ballot. I get that there are worse candidates. I get that it allows you to feel like you are pushing aside a threat. You aren't. And it is least individual.
>I'd have to disagree with this. The Constitution is often only used to justify one act or the other
The Constitution is their authority, not their wisdom. That is what authority is all about. It is their version of a crown. The Constitution is their sovereign body manifest. It is the single constitute that a constitution of assemblymen have to follow to have a concise mandate.
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No.3859
Stop shilling voting.
Voting is the most cucked thing you can do.
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No.3860
>>3857
>I hate political popularity contests on principle, so I don't vote.
As long as you acknowledge that you're not doing anything besides virtue-signalling how non-partisan you are I can agree there.
>Stop acting like this is an empowering individual act. It isn't.
I never said it was. It's not empowering, it's not individualistic, and I never referred to it as such.
>Voting requires no courage to really defend yourself
Why is courage a prerequisite to self-defense? Mining my front lawn requires no courage at all, it's still an expression of self-defense.
>inb4 buying and planting mines still requires personal effort
Alright fine, if my neighbor asks if I would like my front lawn mined and I say yes I haven't used courage or personal effort either, but those mines are still defending my property.
>And it is least individual.
Stop putting words in my mouth. Once again, I don't consider voting to be "individual," I don't think there's anything good about it, and I hate democracy just as much as you do.
>>3858
>Don't feed what is killing you. It is a simple understanding.
I will agree with you here, if you can answer this question, in explicit terms: How, through what mechanism, is voting "feeding what is killing me?" What action will the government take if I do vote that it will not take if I do not vote? If you can point to a chain of cause-and-effect that links my vote to the government gaining "legitimacy" to some concrete action, an action that would not have happened if I did not vote, then I will concede your victory.
>courageous
For the last goddamn time, I don't think voting is "courageous" and I never called it that.
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No.3861
>>3860
>besides virtue-signalling how non-partisan you are
That is exactly what I am doing. I am virtue-signalling. I am demanding you do something more virtuous than vote.
>I never said it was
>Stop putting words in my mouth
This isn't about what you said. It's about what I say. I have opinions.
>How
Because it is the least counter-revolutionary thing you can do.
Let me get to the point. I am tired of soft monarchist playboys who think that voting is the answer. I am tired of people who think like republicans. This is no means to an end for monarchy. This is the farthest from being counter-revolutionary you will go. Monarchists think that becoming monarchist partisans and starting a monarchist party is the answer. If they can band together to collect votes. It is the weakest and most self-defeating thing for a monarchist to do. It is a contradiction to what a monarchy is. It should be simple like slicing bread to understand.
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No.3862
>>3861
>I am tired of soft monarchist playboys who think that voting is the answer
Yet to see anyone in this thread, including me, say that voting is the "answer" to anything.
>This is no means to an end for monarchy
I believe I said that quite explicitly more than once.
>Monarchists think that becoming monarchist partisans and starting a monarchist party is the answer
No one suggesting that either.
>Because it is the least counter-revolutionary thing you can do.
So you don't have an answer besides "I want to LARP like X and you're getting in the way of my LARPing".
>It should be simple like slicing bread to understand.
Then why do you fail to comprehend any of the posts made against you so completely? You're just strawmanning anyone who disagrees with you on voting for any reason into this shit-tier mold as a half-assed attempt to make yourself appear superior to them.
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No.3863
>>3862
>LARP
Into the trash it goes.
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No.3864
>>3863
>this level of non-argument
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No.3865
>>3864
<Why is courage a prerequisite to self-defense?
<not an argument
I don't care, tbh anon.
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No.3866
>>3865
All right, triplenigger, I'll explain this slowly so you can understand. There's a crazed dindu running at you with a knife. You have the option to press a button that kills him before he gets to you. Not pressing the button will allow the nigger to kill you. Pressing the button requires no courage and no skill. Is pressing the button self-defense, yes or no?
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No.3867
>>3866
>press a button
>kill some random nigger with a knife
What kind of shitty hypothetical situation is this?
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No.3868
>>3867
Answer the question, asswipe. Is it self-defense, yes or no?
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No.3869
>>3868
>answer this hypothetical question I dexterously laid out for you
No. You already answered it yourself and said courage cannot be involved. Not gonna bother.
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No.3870
>>3869
Why the fuck are you so autistically focused on courage anyways? I've already established that I don't consider voting to be "courageous," its only use is through marginal expediency. It seems to me you're nitpicking this point to avoid responding to the rest of the argument.
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No.3871
>>3870
Your argument is shiet.
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No.3872
>>3871
Then it should be a trivial matter for you to address it, no? Yet you insist on maneuvering around it every time.
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No.3889
>>3838
I am from Straya but I will share my brutal honest opinion with everyone on the U.S.A election. They are a complete joke and will do nothing good for the Americans.
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No.3936
>>3889
What's your opinion on Sir John Kerr's dismissal?
Back to the OP, maybe this is too simplistic, but…it just seems far too hypocritical for a monarchist to vote. It seems like an abolitionist who owns a slave.
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No.3943
>>3936
That's a bit too definite a correlation. I'd say it's more like an abolitionist who still wears cotton shirts, because the act of voting doesn't do anything to preserve the democracy in and of itself. The democrat will still claim legitimacy over his rule regardless of the voter participation rate.
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No.3944
>>3838
>What do supporters of monarchy do during an election?
You don't vote.
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No.3958
>>3838
>What do supporters of monarchy do during an election? Write in a noble?
They don’t vote and many royalists knew that the democracy is a sham so there is no point in voting.
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