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 No.6309 [Open thread]

There are many electoral monarchists showing their vices and making communists blush with their talk of guillotines and beheading monarchs. This is a shameful state for a monarchist to be in, electoral or hereditary, but that won't be the topic of this thread. Rather than discuss people with a vendetta against monarchy (whether it is absolute or plain hereditary; mostly narrows to hereditary), I'll have to be an apologist for hereditary monarchy. This is because these people basically come down to a hatred of primogeniture succession. For the reason of centralizing land and favoring the eldest son unequally over the other sons.

>centralization

Monarchists who favor hereditary principle and yet still like primogeniture have to wrestle with two extremes. There is the aristocrat-lover, ultra-individualist who hates nations and nationalism in favor of micro-states and divided up counties/prince-electors, and then there is the nationalist who wants the big national state with democratic anti-primogeniture sentiments. This comes down to the age-old struggle between monarchy, aristocracy, and democracy. The monarchies of the WW1 period in Central Europe reached a middle ground between nationalism and royalty. There were two German states, but an encompassing pride for nation regardless. This might upset nationalists who favor complete unification while seeing multi-ethnic peoples together in hereditary empires. Hereditary empires unified people thanks to primogeniture (without electoral succession) thanks to gavelkind succession becoming less practical. Centralization organically grew as land became more indivisible because the eldest son inherited land and the land remained tied and incorporated more and more people on said land rather than constantly unifying and splitting it up again.

The electoral monarchies were strongly hereditary monarchies and those that weren't would later become hereditary with the rise of primogeniture. I don't think the electoral process of aristocrats would avoid centralization, despite primogeniture bringing people under a fold. Usually centralization and decentralization are a rising tide and happen regardless, especially when empires grow larger and larger; but this doesn't mean they have to be overbearing on liberty. An anon pointed out that the Russian Empire, despite centralizing with the Romanov dynasty, sPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.6312

File: 962f6f328f0b347⋯.jpg (91.05 KB,1024x512,2:1,DWQZV6BU0AAOecx.jpg)

"Our new Constitution is now established, and has an appearance that promises permanency; but in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes." – Benjamin Franklin, in a letter to Jean-Baptiste Leroy, 1789

Aristocrats and parliaments, elected head of states, they consider to be tax watchdogs that will keep taxation relaxed. I doubt it. While you could point to outrageous examples of dynasties with high taxation, like Qin Dynasty, which embraced legalism, you can also notice other dynasties with lower taxes. Take notice of this quote:

"The Chinese people have only family and clan solidarity; they do not have national spirit…they are just a heap of loose sand…Other men are the carving knife and serving dish; we are the fish and the meat." - Sun Yat-sen describing Qing Dyasty and how decentralized it was. If Qing Dynasty isn't good enough, Ming Dynasty was pretty hereditary and they were laissez faire.

Hereditary monarchies don't have to be so strongly centralized. Most monarchists want a dynasty to last as long as possible (seen as a good thing), an aristocracy that respects kings, and some kind of prevailing order. While, on the flip side, people could argue that centralization is better than decentralization. I might as well say it there could be a middle ground.

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 No.6313

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>>6311

If you want better laws, you should first think about what moral influences are behind those laws before extolling them. The imperial dynasties embracing Confucianism usually had lower taxes. The imperial dynasties embracing legalism typically were stricter and had stronger laws.

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 No.6314

File: bce23fd0ad4aa44⋯.png (32.49 KB,1181x239,1181:239,primogeniture.png)

>from succession thread (because why not)

<Male-preferred primogeniture makes the most sense to me, as long as there is some legal mechanism to allow for disinheriting the crown prince if he is not of sound body or mind. Things like tanistry, partible inheritance, and the Rota system encourage civil war and the gradual disintegration of the realm. Primogeniture allows for an indisputable heir to the throne to be (hopefully) produced either before the reign of the king or early on in it. This allows them time to be trained extensively in the duties they will one day fulfill, and also minimizes the chance of needing a regency council to run the kingdom because the king died while his heir was a child.

>Should children under morganitic marriages be recognized for purposes of inheritance or succession?

<I see no reason why not, especially if the marriage would be particularly eugenic. Introducing a bit of genetic diversity to the noble gene pool is not a bad idea, and marrying commoners who have no claim to anything might be safer for the realm than marrying into a family from a rival kingdom that will be able to make a legitimate claim to your throne in a few generations.

>Should children under cousin-marriages be recognized for purposes of inheritance or succession?

<That's a tough one. Cousins are usually genetically distinct enough to avoid most of the risk that comes with incest. However, falling into a Hapsburg situation where successive generations are continually marrying their cousins will eventually lead to a bad situation, even if the political benefits of keeping certain lands and titles in the family are undeniable. The best approach would probably be one where cousin marriage is legal but socially stigmatized, and any children not of sound body and mind are disqualified from the succession.

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 No.6317

>>6314

>any children not of sound body and mind are disqualified from the succession.

By whom? The primary issue I see with giving a power like this to some outside body, is that the outside body will abuse their power to declare royalty mentally unsound in order to gain more power for themselves.

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 No.6320

>>6317

>By whom? The primary issue I see with giving a power like this to some outside body, is that the outside body will abuse their power to declare royalty mentally unsound in order to gain more power for themselves.

Hm, the dynastic succession normally would go to the monarch if things were sound. The monarch could secure his succession. If not, the royal house. If not the royal house, the privy council. If not the privy council, clergy and parliament could assist. I think the body is enough to secure itself. It is a tough call.

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 No.5798 [Open thread]

who is your favourite monarchist?

mine- picrel

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 No.5955

>>5865

Hi /leftypol/

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 No.5961

File: 0e1dcafa008a786⋯.png (43.06 KB,227x188,227:188,Fuu laughing.png)

>>5955

>/leftypol/

>reproducing

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 No.6249

File: d1d00fa953fa2df⋯.jpg (465.59 KB,1280x978,640:489,c074d3f3d77d9090dd0406fb98….jpg)

Jose Maria Gutierrez de Estrada

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 No.6287

File: ef48a05f4835b9d⋯.jpg (98.99 KB,640x425,128:85,DPII.jpg)

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 No.6291

File: 2816ee390760cf3⋯.jpg (68.86 KB,284x347,284:347,221016006.jpg)

Prince Rupert and his dog

charging into battle.

Dashing cavaliers.

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 No.6146 [Open thread]

As an Ameritard, I live in a Federation of sovereign states United by a federal government. However, like it is supposed to be, I hold my state to be more important than the Feds. Other Monarchists here say that decentralization is inherently against monarchist principles. I support the loyalty and respect towards authority that it is due, I just give it to my state.

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 No.6203

>>6199

>>6197

I always figured a truly "strong" central power would mean a central power that is only strong in certain ways, for instance in border/national security however weak in other ways like being unable to violate the people's right to privacy (under most circumstances). Not a central power that strong arms it's own citizens. Monarchy seems to be inherently libertarian to a certain extent since monarchs generally don't have to fuck with the population that bad, only when it's absolutely necessary.

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 No.6204

>>6197

Well, that depends what you mean by "strong"–a high degree of authority, or a wide breath of it? Absolutism or totalitarianism, in other words? Monarchists, particularly libertarian-sympathizing monarchists or monarchist-sympathizing libertarians, are generally for the former but against the latter.

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 No.6217

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>>6146

Decentralization should be a cardinal monarchist principle. The monarchical order shouldn’t exist as a way to centralize and modernize the state (inevitably handing off the reigns to a centralized republican bureaucracy) but as a way to preserve the organic internal distinctions of a nation.

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 No.6218

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>>6217

>The monarchical order shouldn’t exist as a way to centralize and modernize the state

Ideological tenets favoring decentralization /centralization fade away and reappear. It means different things. However, in favor of a monarchy being decentralized, it should be noted that monarchs require a handoffs approach to autonomy and things like the economy. I am the only one who could care less about the whole centralization/decentralization thing.

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 No.6221

>>6148

>States rights is what caused South Carolina to pass a "Muh 6 gorillion" law

Wrong, Jews are.

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 No.6177 [Open thread]

Of all critique out there, monarchy is singled out for brutality. If /monarchy/ could come together for a moment to spare a few views on republican atrocities. Post things that make the likes of Nero, Caligula, Vlad the Impaler, and Attila the Hun look like angels.

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 No.6190

>>6177

I would rather mob the streets with the body of one criminal than to have my own population destroy itself in a bloodbath. Brutality does not anger anyone but the most idealistic, injustice is what we should be wary of.

Republicanism, cares about their immediate image, there is not time to let people realize your real intentions, their information must be obvious and easy to digest, so, such methods cannot be used by them, they need a scapegoat to feed the modern idea that X is a completely moral being and Y a spawn of satan, itself feeding the division of society during elections.

>>6187

My History profesor –Mr. Moshe– told me it never happened

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 No.6195

>>6188

>implying hitler was not a monarch

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 No.6206

>>6195

I am sure « King of my Hearth » is not a recognized title

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 No.6209

>>6195

He was elected; of all the fascist leaders he's the least monarchical one by a fair margin.

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 No.6211

>>6209

>>6195

Electoral Monarchy/Hereditary Monarchy both are monarchies. Let me set it straight:

If doesn't have a coronation, abides a partisanship, and has no hereditary principles (this goes for electoral monarchies, which were still usually strongly hereditary and valued patria potestas like Romans). This is why I value aesthetics over ideological reasoning.

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 No.6151 [Open thread]

What do you think about oman? Their people are not disgusting, perverts are like gulf Arabs. Economically they are not doing well but atleast they are stable and the current Sultan seems like have enlightening monarch tendencies, he has a big boner to classic musics but he is striving towards modernism without losing their Arab identity, as a person who is not fond of arabs that's something I can respect.

Who knows maybe 50 years later UAE shrinks and Oman prospers with Arabian Nights themed tourism and cultural activities.

bad english I know

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 No.6166

>>6151

Cool architecture. I find Islam repugnant for a lot of their practices, but it would be slander to say none of it's values are good. And it seems to have resisted modernization fairly well.

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 No.6167

>>6151

>What do you think about oman?

I stayed there for a few weeks on a visa change and it was quite beautiful, but to me it seemed like a poorer emirate of UAE.

>Their people are not disgusting

I can definitely confirm this. I worked in a hotel in UAE for a few years, and they were some of our most normal customers besides Europeans, much more polite and humble than other Arabs.

>the current Sultan seems like have enlightening monarch tendencies, he has a big boner to classic musics but he is striving towards modernism without losing their Arab identity, as a person who is not fond of arabs that's something I can respect.

You know, In my experience it's actually really fucking annoying to live in a country with all these "enlightened" monarchs who ban you from doing literally everything by default unless you go and beg like a real fucking filthy peasant to get what you want. I'm talking about how you're not allowed to swim on a nice sunny beach, but you're allowed to swim on similar beach nearby because there's a giant billboard that says the ruler is kind enough to allow you to do it. I'm talking about how you're not allowed to start a company without selling your anus to a local sponsor, but thanks to the wise policies of the glorious ruler, you can do it in a special "free zone" to pay for the expensive license. I'm talking about how the country scams you into becoming an illegal immigrant without any rights to keep you in debt and milk fines from you, but thanks to the great generosity of the leaders, you can leave during a special "amnesty period" that comes about every two years or so. These Arab countries have an interesting style of rulership: After solving a problem they themselves have caused, they pat themselves on the backs for being such geniuses while telling all the low IQ Pajeet, Paki, and Bangla NPCs about their elightened form of government.

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 No.6174

>>6167

> I'm talking about how the country scams you into becoming an illegal immigrant without any rights to keep you in debt and milk fines from you

still preferable to ochlocrasy, what is your alternative for this region?

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 No.6184

>>6165

well i think arabs are too stupid to be compatibile with d***cracy

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 No.6185

>>6174

I would presume the non-retarded European style of monarchism, in which things are assumed to be allowed by default unless the monarch forbids them, rather than having to ask the monarch special permission every time you take a shit with an expired license.

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 No.6083 [Open thread]

is kim dzong un our guy?

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 No.6108

>Heh, I smoke weed all day and love popping mollies whenever I can afford it

>Shit almost forgot about meth, fucking LOVE meth!

<Fucking straight edge faggots looking down on me, they're not better than me! They're just as bad, they drink soda!

Dumbass.

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 No.6137

>>6084

Right here

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 No.6138

>>6108

Actually both can be assholes. I prefer moderation like Epicureans.

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 No.6298

>>6138

That's because you're a modernist degenerate

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 No.6329

>>6298

Go eat shit, faggot.

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 No.5991 [Open thread]

why dont you believe in synthetic theory of evolution?

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 No.6073

>>6029

The more monarchy is secularized and made "of the People", discarded from virtue, belief, and religion, the institution becomes immediately subject to scrutinizing of the intellectual class and oligarchs who want power and more towards demagoguery in terms of politics. A successful monarchy needs to be anti-egalitarian and for the monarch to reign above the political class there needs to be a higher virtue from the classical standpoint. All traditional civilizations have had monarchies with a close relationship with priesthood and superior virtue invested in the monarch: from ancient Egypt with the power of pharaohs and its priesthood, to china and the mandate of heaven, to Japan and Shinto, the monarchy triumphs with an overflow of cultural emancipation from intellectual demand for the rule of the few. An element of the sacred is important for monarch with reverence for certain values. This dates back to Aristotle and the idea that for a monarch to rule in a civilized society, the monarch needs to be extraordinary and not equal with the peers. This is tempered with Alexander the Great and Augustus seizing divinity. It doesn't help that republicans played politics so well to damn the name of monarchy forever and any form of it. This begins to necessitate something special for monarchs.

>that's political hampering!

Before you say that, anon, the political elite that aspire towards the rule of the few and condemn other forms of government have their own crutches. They depend on "the People" to be legitimate. For the republic, this is their exalted status whether "The People" constitutes anyone at all.

It is no mistake that monarchies and religion are closer anyways because monarchy is the natural form of government in the true sense of the world "being born" and because it's the most cultural and distinctive form.

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 No.6074

>>6029

If that isn't sufficient, you could always listen to the economic apologists for monarchy and Hobbes.

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 No.6075

>>6073

The rule of the ivory tower intellectuals/politicians is almost immediately susceptible to their worst fear. The tyranny of populists. Those who appeal to the masses and actually try to galvanize "the People" – the real People – and this is why they vilify democracy on one hand, which is the direct rule of the People, and tyranny on the other – which is the same root as monarchy.

Politics is like a tug-of-war between different political groups and their aim of the game is to vilify the other, call it unjust, and namecall. It's one of the reasons I don't take accusations if tyranny, historical or current, very seriously anymore. It is another word spewed from the other end of the political game… tugging the rope in this tug of war.

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 No.6076

File: 0f3f809c12c9545⋯.mp4 (1.48 MB,720x480,3:2,FAGGOT.mp4)

>>5991

>that video

>ebin Halo maymay

Why are you a 15-year-old?

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 No.6080

>>6076

are you talking about that video game?

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 No.6064 [Open thread]

Have you recognized that the Persians should have won and that Greeks not only winning but continuing to maintain democracy has been a disaster for this world?

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 No.6065

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 No.6068

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>6064

>continuing to maintain democracy

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 No.6070

>>6064

Don't forget Macedonia and the Greek Empire with Alexander the Great and Aristotle.

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 No.5277 [Open thread]

For a reason unknown to me, the concept of a king alone aggros people on the board. Or, at least, it had brought about aggro in the past. What is absolute? A monarchy where the king is solely king and this authority is inviolable and typically unfettered and the top of temporal hierarchy. That is the easiest way I would clarify it. The rule of the monarch, at the top of the hierarchy, with the other members of the hierarchy. As Maistre defined it, 'a centralized aristocracy'. It isn't limited to Western civilization. Absolute monarchy comes in different forms. It has manifested itself throughout the ages. The sole role of monarchs as sovereigns is nothing new.

>absolutism is all about 'arbitrary' power, 'totalitarianism', 'big gubmit', 'the modern state', 'social contract theory'.

This is a big misconception. People tend to throw around a word salad without really defining their terms. Throwing words like 'authoritarian' and 'totalitarian' as if they were one and the same annoys me to death. Is monarchy an 'authoritarian' structure? Indefinitely, I think, because the institution relies on authority of great spiritual foundation, culture, justice, and the family. To despise all authority is to deprive all people of rights, actions as fathers, and their own self-autonomy. Authority is spread across the board, not limited to only the government, but the entire state of sovereignty. Parents have authority. People have authority over their property. Teachers have authority over students. People have authority in the things they produce and create. Authority is in initiative and intuitiveness. Authority is nothing limited to the state, but it does consist with hierarchy and control. Sovereignty extends to the entire state of living in a particular realm, not limited or separated to the government. It is propriety and authority across the board, vertical within a hierarchy and the dominion of monarchy, church, and people. It is right and wrong because the character of monarchies is so unrestricted to ideologies, even absolutism itself, that it really depends on the character of the monarch.

>absolutism is modernism/Enlightenment

This is right and wrong. It depends on how you view wPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.5781

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>>5375

NAZBOL GANG

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 No.5782

>>5781

Moncom gang at it again.

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 No.5978

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>>5277

That's an awful lot of words you've used to create such a murky cloud. If an Absolute Monarch doesn't have Absolute power, in what sense is his power Absolute? In what sense is he Absolute?. If he does, he is definitively a Tyrant, a Dictator, the law is in his mouth. Why you'd twist words so confuses me. If you love the idea of a state-father there's no reason you should have to muddle the issue. Perhaps you're just trying to make it more palatable to others. In any case, you're wrong.

>To despise all authority is to deprive all people of rights, actions as fathers, and their own self-autonomy

Here is some of your greatest work. Redefining freedom as slavery. Beautiful. Exactly what I'd expect from someone with your psychological complex. To despise people violating your rights is to have no rights at all, to despise any violations of your autonomy is to lose your autonomy. That is what you've said here. Terrific.

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 No.5980

>>5978

>Redefining freedom as slavery

<hey, it's not like… you want… George Orwell's BIG BROTHER, h-huh, OP?

>Absolute? In what sense is he Absolute?

Monarchy, the rule of one; absolutely regal, that's what!

>If he does, he is definitively a Tyrant, a Dictator, the law is in his mouth.

I don't care how you cry big bad wolf. A dictator is a speaker who speaks, and people listen and take command. A monarch receives the mantle of authority gracefully, uses command with a majesty like a lion, and has not only consent of other subjects but dynamic of divine right. It is about a different kind of power resonating with the monarch, not only the popularity of consent.

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 No.5985

>>5683

natural law has no meaning or rather is has the meaning you want it to have because it is not real, like god

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 No.4434 [Open thread]

/monarchy/, what is the best way to deal with rebels? is it right to be civil and compromise as pragmatically as possible… or do all rebels deserves the noose? in other words, what to make of dissent, insurgents, and violent rebels? these require different responses. censorship? maybe. should there be lèse-majesté to respect the esteem and cultural significance of a monarch? let's discuss.

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 No.5973

>>5971

From what you said, you would probably agree with Jouvenal de Bertrand.

Read it here. Chapter 2. Authority.

https://books.google.co.bw/books?id=MabavgEACAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_atb#v=onepage&q&f=false

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 No.5976

File: 148cf6d1c6ed0dc⋯.jpg (31.94 KB,770x433,770:433,Jouvenel.jpg)

Unfortunately, all the libertarian monarchists that use him as a wedge on absolute monarchists made me grow hands-off on my complete fascination with this author. Bertrand de Jouvenel comes off as a liberal think tank looking into this subject and I can appreciate this on one end, but on the other – seeing the result with some people – it is a massive headache.

>such as?

I think Bertrand de Jovenel's take on absolute monarchy doesn't sit very well with me. I will stick with my Filmer, Maistre, and Bossuet. I don't need modern authors sticking to me with their revisionism and criticism of the modern state. The first thing that immediately stuck to me was his chapter on sovereignty taking it from Hobbes' pov.

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 No.5979

>>5972

>This is not an world where anarchy is everywhere. This is a world where authority is everywhere.

I don't consider those two to be mutually exclusive. Quite the contrary, anarcho-capitalism is inherently hierarchical, dividing men through the brutal sieve of meritocracy, and is driven by entrepreneurs and promoters–men with authority. It is state systems, particularly democratic states, that try to subvert the natural order into some ill-advised attempt to achieve "equality."

>>5973

>Read it here

Overall I don't have major issue with his ideas on authority. Obviously, I contend the notion that anarchy is in any way socialist or egalitarian, and I don't think a state is at all necessary to project authority. If anything, the creation of a state and taxation permits indolence within the auctor, and accelerates the degeneration of authority into mere power; resting on the laurels of guaranteed tax revenue removes the incentive to maintain those aspects of your institution that granted authority in the first place. Therefore, "anarchy" (really the free market) is in fact better suited towards projecting authority than any state can hope to be.

>>5976

>Unfortunately, all the libertarian monarchists that use him as a wedge on absolute monarchists

I don't know what Jouvenel does in this regard, but as a libertarian that sympathizes with monarchists I can tell you it isn't true for me–absolute monarchism is most conducive to libertarian ends and the most economically viable style of monarchy, and as such it has my support above all other forms of monarchy.

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 No.5981

>>5979

>I don't know what Jouvenel does in this regard

He blames 17th-18th century monarchies for enabling the modern state and this is how absolutism gets the ire of those libertarian monarchists. In other fashion, I think he picks on the centralization of the time. It might be a fair analysis in one case for this kind of criticism.

I think the key term is centralization. I don't view absolute as centralism. I take a contemporary fashion as just being "absolved" and it's easy to make that case because often with powerful monarchs you do see centralization. This doesn't extend back to those latter centuries. It is a trend in history.

When I think of regal authority, I don't imagine only assent, but also a power residing with it being produced. It's not far from his terms. This is a power of a different nature and station. Kinda like what Bertrand de Jouvenel said with the lightning rod example. This is how I imagine divine right and that kind of command – in a mystical sense.

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 No.5983

>>5981

>He blames 17th-18th century monarchies for enabling the modern state

Well, correction; their downfall was centralization. But that's kinda the gist I get from those people who get angry at those monarchies.

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 No.5752 [Open thread]

The liberal view is that there is no objective good; a person can base his behaviour on nothing but his own desires. The liberal approves of my decision to become a Buddhist as much as he would my decision to become a rock star, a drug addict, or a woman. Therefore the liberal's political principle is that the government should not meddle in our individual choices. He tolerates immigration; cultural diversity does not bother him.

The conservative view is that there is an objective good; we have responsibilities which restrict the range of our moral behaviour. Therefore the conservative disapproves of my becoming a drug addict, as this is irresponsible; or promoting rock music which promotes more irresponsibility. He questions transgenderism because the subjective identification with a particular gender is less important to him than the objective reality. He questions immigration because the social regulation which is important to his system is threatened by cultural diversity. A huge, alien city does not regulate behaviour so well as a closed, conformist village.

Monarchy and nobility reinforce the view of objective good; their claim is to be the 'betters' of any society, entitled to a higher place by their superior breeding and behaviour. They have to listen to the best music, have the strongest marriages, and the prettiest daughters. A monarch or noble must really behave better than the rest of the population or the whole system fails.

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 No.5906

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>>5904

>Wah, wah, muh social contract theory!

>let me larp as an aristocrat!

>muh commercialism

Crowns are far more important than that and don't come from popular mandate. The temporal authority of monarchs is not to enforce the will of the people. Coronations happen in cathedrals, not public halls. I don't care what whiny aristocrats who claim to represent the People™ have to say.

>It's too early in the day to be hit with this level of stupid.

Crowns are made to be worn, not idolized and made into social contract schemes. This casual talk about replacing quote-on-quote "bad kings" doesn't bother me, only the concept that creating a structure that needs to constantly replaced should be the ideal.

>no matter how much authority the position of king wields the ONLY way to get to that point is to have the full confidence of literally everyone who is in a position to make or break you. essentially the king rules by consent of the ruled, or at least the lower nobility.

Authority and power residing with monarchs is naturally the higher notch in the framework of a hierarchy. This issue of "full confidence" and totalitarian consent of everyone is a Hobbesian hatch to undermine the spiritual framework of monarchy and all it stands for beyond popular consent. A monarchist partisanship doesn't work and monarchists should avoid thinking in terms of popularity, political parties, and popular sovereignty. I prefer what the answer that both a people have a role in being with the sovereign and taking the place underneath the sovereign, while the sovereign holds sovereignty with a people. This is as Maistre says in 'Study on Sovereignty'.

>this isn't fucking burger king where you can get a paper crown to make you feel special

No matter how much you disparage the role and character of monarchs, the crown and the monarch play a very mutual part. Monarchy without monarchs is pretty stupid. There is obviously a strong emphasis on both;Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.5907

>>5901

The United Kingdom is a monarchy.

The British monarchy has had many dynasties and this does not mitigate the fact that monarchs play the higher role and shouldn't bow to anyone besides their God. Dynasty change is best left as rigid and unlikely as possible, rather than a swap in and swap out ideal that Lockeans and other social contract theorists admire. That is a whig fantasy.

I think conceptually a monarchy should steer away from these terms of thinking. A political party of monarchists sounds contradictory for a reason. It doesn't work with popular mandate. It is wrong. A monarchy doesn't fit in this framework.

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 No.5930

>>5907

>monarchs play the higher role and shouldn't bow to anyone besides their God

so why did pope wash feet of rapefugees?

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 No.5932

>>5930

Because the Pope is not the temporal authority, I suppose. Another subject to the European Union.

https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2018/01/the-popes-and-emperors.html

A good description can be found here. This is a wild card subject of debate dating back to Dante Alighieri and De Monarchia to De Maistre's On the Pope. Emperors were considered a more direct short-lined authority, temporal and holy in their own right, while Popes were considered just the spiritual domain and not the temporal authority. This conflicts with the other political tones of papal authority.

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 No.5960

>>5932

but he is a monarch

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 No.5465 [Open thread]

This world has grown SOFT and WEAK. With its suited politicians and political animalism, the republican animals move to their fodder to chew up the mash called 'politics'. They gobble it up. They are comfortable like lemmings, consuming the mash without knowing its poison. These political carnivores eat each other up; they have no discipline. What's the matter with the world and immigration being rampant and the rise of ideologies? The matter is democracy feeds off how bankrupt civilization has become. They have even been content to be called 'one of the animals' and 'on par with animals' without understanding the implications of these terms.

Suit-wearing parliamentarians. Their worship of 'economics' while having an economic union that regulates increasingly, their political fanaticism with being so-called 'socialists', 'social democrats', 'conservatives', 'green partisans', 'communists'; aka the will of NOTHING aka the will of ideology. They choose to be something else rather than human. How is it our fault they do this to themselves? They have destroyed communities and destroyed the identity of nation. They have profaned the sacred and virtuous office of kingship, that of monarchy, with their pandering as the political class.

<"You're wild, absolutely CRAZY; how could you say that, OP?"

It might seem wild, but nature is a cruel beast.

>REGICIDE & TYRANNY

This is the go-to complaint for the political class. How about it? We have all learned the names of tyranny and justification for regicide. We have the name of tyranny so in-grained in our mind, that monarchy becomes the evil government and the virtues of aristocracy and democracy triumph in comparison. As monarchists, we all recognize that monarchy is the best of governments, and tyranny has the potential worst, as we tend to balance the good with the bad. However, these political animals are utopians. They want the best all the time. I would argue we have forgotten the 'tyranny' of republicanism in this day and age. We only memorized the name of 'tyranny', but we forgot the so-called 'tyranny' of republicans.

>OLIGARCHY & PLUTOCRACY

Oligarchy is the extended 'naughty word' for aristocracy. We might be surprised to know that oligarchs and ariPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.5499

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>>5485

Fug that is too perfect.

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 No.5908

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I wish there really was that imaginary tyrant that these people fear to flog them really hard. This goes for every LARP aristocrat in monarchist circles. There is nothing worse than someone who pretends to be an aristocrat. Then let them be Hanged, Drawn, and Quartered for treason since they fancy the Middle Ages and being traitors so much.

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 No.5909

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 No.5956

>>5485

Mark Mothersbaugh is from around where I live. Devo would have a collective heart attack over their music being used for this purpose. Their music is great (I've heard way more than just 'Whip It') but idc it's funny.

Go on..

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 No.5957

>>5465

what is political animalism?

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 No.5933 [Open thread]

There's a deep interest in political realism and violence, powerplay, and the dynamics of holding power with the polity. There's the Machiavellian & Hobbesian outlook on power. Nobody is content with the ideal and moral answer of "Kings being there because it is his right" and want to know the opposite answer to how kings obtain power through politics alone.

>but how is that done?

Through tactics like punishment and reward. You either use fear to intimidate people. The most obvious present example of fear being a way of control is through war-time propaganda. War propaganda has always been the most effective way to get people to cough up taxes and tributes really fast. When their livelihood is at stake and their property is threatened to be destroyed, they are eager to cough up dimes and levies. This happens today constantly to motivate people.

>other methods?

Punishments and cruelty. Torture.

>the rewards

Lower taxes or exemptions for political support. Gifts from the big guy. Bread and circuses displays. War-time favorites being promoted along with nepotism. Partisanship status enabling bonus rights. Land and wealth through conquest.

Personally I would do the worst landgrabbing if I ever had power. Outright powergrabs. Intimidation tactics. What people call tyranny. I would take my dirty hands and grab a crown and laugh, snatching it.

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 No.5935

File: 3bc9c48c60f4075⋯.jpg (566.02 KB,3120x1488,65:31,gang weed.jpg)

Really says a lot about society if you think of it. How the concept of "constitutional government" and "human rights" are just tools meant to prevent Veronica from going out with charismatic, ruthless visionaries such as myself instead of plebeian jocks. It's time to revert society to a more natural, dog-eat-dog state of affairs so that those with superior gamer genes may prosper while dumb jocks die out.

Monarchists rise up!

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 No.5892 [Open thread]

I will show them real tyranny.

And slay all those who glorify oligarchy and anarchy and cry 'tyrant'.

Remember this: all those who fling and namecall what they fear, those are the people who should be afraid.

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 No.5898

>>5892

what is wrong with oligarchy and anarchy?

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 No.5903

>>5898

This is it.

They don't bother to suggest these things are wrong. This is why I might as well not take any claim to 'tyranny' or 'bad king' seriously, since it's first tagged off by the proponents of oligarchy and anarchy.

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 No.5915

Democracy is tyranny. It's just really good at fooling you that it isn't.

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 No.5916

>>5915

The rule of the mob is usually not good in my books.

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File: cfb30f09f6ec246⋯.jpg (24.87 KB,810x520,81:52,0808312.jpg)

 No.5878 [Open thread]

Is it me or is the dogmatic belief in the 'People' to resolve is taken for granted? It is a ubiquitous cancer. The People, the Majority, and the multitudes and mobs are not your friend to begin with. What people to begin with? Who? This term is applied so often, when taken outside of the pessimistic view, it is applied universally regardless of distinction. The People reign and nobody can imagine or speak well enough to criticize this. You might as well blame the Gods, but never the People, for what problems we have.

Democracy and anything democratic, the worship and exultation of democracy as ideal government, confirmed in the "representative" republic, loads up the narrative that somewhere "The People" are going to save you. Does anyone ever blame "The People" when things go wrong? Does anyone look at "The People" for presenting terrible leaders? In this world, the People can do no wrong.

Everyone knows how cliques are terrible and anti-social. They never liked the social atmosphere that aristocracy sometimes breeds. This is understandable seeing as how a clique or a group of people sometimes creates a nasty atmosphere (contrasted with the idea of an individual monarch; but not to scare the people who have fetishized aristocracy). – Nobody is skeptical about the social atmosphere a mob creates. Destruction and anarchy suit the appetite of people generally these days as the common good.

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 No.5883

But OP, if you don't vote, thAt WouLD bE undEMOcraTIc.

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