No.4434
/monarchy/, what is the best way to deal with rebels? is it right to be civil and compromise as pragmatically as possible… or do all rebels deserves the noose? in other words, what to make of dissent, insurgents, and violent rebels? these require different responses. censorship? maybe. should there be lèse-majesté to respect the esteem and cultural significance of a monarch? let's discuss.
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No.4435
daily reminder that the rebels are often their own undoing.
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No.4436
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No.4438
>>4434
Execute the rebel leaders and sentences the captured rebels to work as unpaid life laborers with no rights on the newly colonised lands or planets.
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No.4439
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No.4478
>>4434
now in democracy it is monarchist who is a rebel
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No.4480
>>4478
Most democracies are unnatural and illegitimate.
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No.4527
>>4480
appeal to nature fallacy
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No.4528
>>4527
>he uses the appeal to fallacy fallacy
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No.4545
>>4528
anarchy is natural m8
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No.4547
>>4545
anarchy is a social construct
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No.4558
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No.4560
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No.4614
>>4434
Rebels and outlaws are only so because they are weak.
"If treason doth prosper, none dare call it treason."
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No.4650
>>4560
dont tell me what to do
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No.4740
>>4650
You're a social construct
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No.5911
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No.5912
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No.5913
>>5911
Caesar is only in the 1st circle.
This should be a strong message.
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No.5914
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No.5928
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No.5934
>>4439
ARVN faggots were republicans who overthrew the Nguyen Dynasty, no better than the northern commies. They deserved the camps after Saigon fell.
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No.5966
>>4434
Make an example out of them in full view. Don't bother with "forced disappearances" or any other subversive republican tactics. Doesn't even need to be a public execution, even. In this day and age, a viral video should suffice to teach potential rebels the price of rebellion.
Pic very related. Yet another republican bites the dust for the entire world to see, and this video is what future generations will remember him by. No torturous execution method or posthumous dismemberment in the past comes close to this in sheer humiliation. A most fitting end to a regicide in the Internet age, if you'd ask me.
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No.5967
>>4545
That explains why it was the standard modus operandi all over the world for thousands of years…
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No.5968
>>5967
It has, though, just at different scales. The interaction of independent sovereign city-states with one another is anarchical where city-states are concerned. Just as the interaction between differing nations is anarchical where nations are concerned. Presuming you're in favor of national sovereignty, and are against supernational republican entities such as the UN, why does that sentiment apply only to nations and not, say, provinces? And if provinces why not towns and cities? Following this logical chain to its conclusion leads one to support the sovereignty of the individual citizen, the smallest cohesive unit of human action.
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No.5969
>>5966
Don't forget the pillory.
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No.5971
>>5968
More generally, anarchy exists within all aspects of life that are voluntary. Whenever you interact with people without an outside party intruding and smacking you over the head, you're engaging in anarchically.
>you know we're living in a society!.costanza
Doesn't matter. The state might exist somewhere in the background, but it doesn't affect the vast majority of your life or individual decisions. You don't need a state for yourself, you don't need it for your friends or family, why would you need one for your neighborhood, your city, your county, etc?
If you think you need a state because you value authority, then pick an authority to follow. Billions of people go to church every Sunday because they want to follow God, they don't need to be frog-marched to the pews. If people are truly servile beings, then the there's a market demand for authorities, which will be provided efficiently and voluntarily by the market. I have no doubt that monarchs or men very much like monarchs would be suppliers in such a market.
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No.5972
>>5971
This is not an world where anarchy is everywhere. This is a world where authority is everywhere. This is not on an equal level because there is father and son, teacher and student, emperor and subject. It isn't that there's much about "The State" rather another form of hierarchy. That is my opinion, not anyone else's.
<what do you mean?
Look into the first chapter of Sovereignty: an inquiry into the political good. I don't always agree with Jouvenel de Bertrand on his analysis. One chapter analyzing stuck out to me. I don't 100% agree with him, but it's a pretty good chapter and one I borrow from:
>…that way since in current usage 'authoritarian government' signifies one which has large recourse to violence, both in act and threat, to get itself obeyed. Of such a government it would have to be said, according to my definition, that its authority is inadequate to the fulfillment of its plans: it must therefore make good by intimidation.
>But this corruption of the word is of quite recent date, and I am doing no more than give it back to its traditional significance. And how rich in meaning is the word auctor.
The auctor is, in ordinary speech, creator of a work, father or ancestor, founder of a family or a city, the Creator of the universe. This is the crudest meaning; more subtle meanings have becoming incorporated in it.
>…[further into reading] This line of thought makes clear what a mistake it is to oppose authority to liberty. Authority is the faculty of inducing assent. To follow an authority is a voluntary act. Authority ends where voluntary assent ends.
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No.5973
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No.5976
Unfortunately, all the libertarian monarchists that use him as a wedge on absolute monarchists made me grow hands-off on my complete fascination with this author. Bertrand de Jouvenel comes off as a liberal think tank looking into this subject and I can appreciate this on one end, but on the other – seeing the result with some people – it is a massive headache.
>such as?
I think Bertrand de Jovenel's take on absolute monarchy doesn't sit very well with me. I will stick with my Filmer, Maistre, and Bossuet. I don't need modern authors sticking to me with their revisionism and criticism of the modern state. The first thing that immediately stuck to me was his chapter on sovereignty taking it from Hobbes' pov.
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No.5979
>>5972
>This is not an world where anarchy is everywhere. This is a world where authority is everywhere.
I don't consider those two to be mutually exclusive. Quite the contrary, anarcho-capitalism is inherently hierarchical, dividing men through the brutal sieve of meritocracy, and is driven by entrepreneurs and promoters–men with authority. It is state systems, particularly democratic states, that try to subvert the natural order into some ill-advised attempt to achieve "equality."
>>5973
>Read it here
Overall I don't have major issue with his ideas on authority. Obviously, I contend the notion that anarchy is in any way socialist or egalitarian, and I don't think a state is at all necessary to project authority. If anything, the creation of a state and taxation permits indolence within the auctor, and accelerates the degeneration of authority into mere power; resting on the laurels of guaranteed tax revenue removes the incentive to maintain those aspects of your institution that granted authority in the first place. Therefore, "anarchy" (really the free market) is in fact better suited towards projecting authority than any state can hope to be.
>>5976
>Unfortunately, all the libertarian monarchists that use him as a wedge on absolute monarchists
I don't know what Jouvenel does in this regard, but as a libertarian that sympathizes with monarchists I can tell you it isn't true for me–absolute monarchism is most conducive to libertarian ends and the most economically viable style of monarchy, and as such it has my support above all other forms of monarchy.
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No.5981
>>5979
>I don't know what Jouvenel does in this regard
He blames 17th-18th century monarchies for enabling the modern state and this is how absolutism gets the ire of those libertarian monarchists. In other fashion, I think he picks on the centralization of the time. It might be a fair analysis in one case for this kind of criticism.
I think the key term is centralization. I don't view absolute as centralism. I take a contemporary fashion as just being "absolved" and it's easy to make that case because often with powerful monarchs you do see centralization. This doesn't extend back to those latter centuries. It is a trend in history.
When I think of regal authority, I don't imagine only assent, but also a power residing with it being produced. It's not far from his terms. This is a power of a different nature and station. Kinda like what Bertrand de Jouvenel said with the lightning rod example. This is how I imagine divine right and that kind of command – in a mystical sense.
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No.5983
>>5981
>He blames 17th-18th century monarchies for enabling the modern state
Well, correction; their downfall was centralization. But that's kinda the gist I get from those people who get angry at those monarchies.
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