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 No.4052 [View All]

Absolute Monarchy is not tyranny

>“I must tell you that the liberty and freedom [of the people] consists in having of Government, those laws by which their life and their goods may be most their own. It is not for having share in Government, Sir, that is nothing pertaining to them. A subject and a sovereign are clean different things. If I would have given way to an arbitrary way, for to have all laws changed according to the Power of the Sword, I needed not to have come here, and therefore I tell you…that I am the martyr of the people”

<The true monarch, like many who have gone to their martyrdom for this principle, fight for their absolute power (or divine right if you like) not out of personal ambition but because in so doing they are fighting for the absolute right of every one of their people to all that is justly their own.

<It could, perhaps, more simply stated this way: in such a system everyone has absolute power over all that is legitimately their own. Just as the monarch cannot simply take life, limb or property from his nobles or people at his whim, because they have absolute right to it, neither can the people, at their whim take the Crown or royal authority from the monarch.

Monarchy starts with a good premise for liberty and laws and fairness. It is unequal; the monarch inherits his authority and status as a king and it represents the highest reproduction of these values. A crown has no words, no articles, and no doctrine; but the crown represents something stronger. In Bossuet's properties of royalty, monarchs are subject to reason and will have consequences for their actions. A monarch could shoot himself and have consequences for it. There is no business making up hypothetical horror stories of a monarch becoming a tyrant at whim. This is a republican myth that asserts all monarchies are tyrannical and all republics are libertarian.The political reality wouldn't allow for it for monarchies, and the structure and legitimacy of monarchy is necessary. The absolute power of kings is necessary for their organic capacities.

TL;DR: Monarchy and authority aren't necessarily tyrannical.

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 No.4054

File: e2e2406260a52ad⋯.jpg (190.97 KB,828x444,69:37,Execution.jpg)

If a king can lose his royal authority and what is his own, what is to stop true tyrants, sometimes voicing false cries of liberty, to usurp and dismantle royal authority? We find the character not far akin from the French Revolution. If a king loses his rights, there is nothing stopping the ordinary man from losing them. Remember. As much as the English Civil War paints the picture for our dialogue, liberty and authority need a royal mantle to coexist with any dignity.

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 No.4055

File: 474c42d5f2b362f⋯.png (130.92 KB,600x541,600:541,00194212840.png)

>"It is not a slight thing you are about. I am sworn to keep the peace, by that duty I owe to God and my country; and I will do it to the last breath of my body. And therefore ye shall do well to satisfy, first, God, and then the country, by what authority you do it. If you do it by an usurped authority, you cannot answer it; there is a God in Heaven, that will call you, and all that give you power, to account."

>"If it were only my own particular case, I would have satisfied myself with the protestation I made the last time I was here, against the legality of the Court, and that a King cannot be tried by any superior jurisdiction on earth: but it is not my case alone, it is the freedom and the liberty of the people of England; and do you pretend what you will, I stand more for their liberties. For if power without law, may make laws, may alter the fundamental laws of the Kingdom, I do not know what subject he is in England that can be sure of his life, or any thing that he calls his own."

>"I do not know the forms of law; I do know law and reason, though I am no lawyer professed: but I know as much law as any gentleman in England, and therefore, under favour, I do plead for the liberties of the people of England more than you do; and therefore if I should impose a belief upon any man without reasons given for it, it were unreasonable … The Commons of England was never a Court of Judicature; I would know how they came to be so."

>"It was the liberty, freedom, and laws of the subject that ever I took - defended myself with arms. I never took up arms against the people, but for the laws … For the charge, I value it not a rush. It is the liberty of the people of England that I stand for. For me to acknowledge a new Court that I never heard of before, I that am your King, that should be an example to all the people of England, for to uphold justice, to maintain the old laws, indeed I do not know how to do it."

>"This many-a-day all things have been taken away from me, but that that I call more dear to me than my life, which is my conscience, and my honour: and if I had a respect to my life more than the peace of the Kingdom, and the liberty of the subject, certainly I should have made a particular defence for my self; for by that at leastwise I might have delayed an ugly sentence, which I believe will pass upon me … Now, sir, I conceive that an hasty sentence once passed, may sooner be repented of than recalled: and truly, the self-same desire that I have for the peace of the Kingdom, and the liberty of the subject, more than my own particular ends, makes me now at lest desire, before sentence be given, that I may be heard … before the Lords and Commons … If I cannot get this liberty, I do protest, that these fair shows of liberty and peace are pure shows and that you will not hear your King."

- King Charles I

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 No.4056

File: 7d89c5a9bc49a22⋯.png (79.46 KB,307x430,307:430,gr1.png)

On a personal note, whenever anyone values only liberty and jives about kings being beheaded, I become a Hobbesian.

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 No.4072

File: cfcc0d6026892f9⋯.mp4 (7.74 MB,720x404,180:101,civilwar.mp4)

File: 426e5144c1b0342⋯.mp4 (4.6 MB,480x360,4:3,779737592375-.mp4)

File: 3ed3275f0d9bfdf⋯.mp4 (2.59 MB,480x360,4:3,a health unto his majesty.mp4)

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 No.4073

File: ba8b6436ec41861⋯.jpg (159.2 KB,330x480,11:16,charlesii.jpg)

Let rogues and cheats prognosticate

Concerning king's or kingdom's fate

I think myself to be as wise

As he that gazeth on the skies

My sight goes beyond

The depth of a pond

Or rivers in the greatest rain

Whereby I can tell

That all will be well

When the King enjoys his own again

Yes, this I can tell

That all will be well

When the King enjoys his own again

There's neither Swallow, Dove, or Dade

Can soar more high or deeper wade

Nor show a reason from the stars

What causeth peace or civil wars

The man in the moon

May wear out his shoon

By running after Charles his wain

But all's to no end,

For the times will not mend

Till the King enjoys his own again

Yes, this I can tell

That all will be well

When the King enjoys his own again

Full forty years this royal crown

Hath been his father's and his own

And is there anyone but he

That in the same should sharer be?

For better may

The scepter sway

Than he that hath such right to reign?

Then let's hope for a peace,

For the wars will not cease

Till the king enjoys his own again

Yes, this I can tell

That all will be well

When the King enjoys his own again

Though for a time we see Whitehall

With cobwebs hanging on the wall

Instead of gold and silver brave

Which formerly was wont to have

With rich perfume

In every room,

Delightful to that princely train

Yet the old again shall be

When the time you see

That the King enjoys his own again

Yes, this I can tell

That all will be well

When the King enjoys his own again

Then fears avaunt, upon the hill

My hope shall cast her anchor still

Until I see some peaceful dove

Bring home the branch I dearly love

Then will I wait

Till the waters abate

Which now disturb my troubled brain

Then for ever rejoice,

When I've heard the voice

That the King enjoys his own again

Yes, this I can tell

That all will be well

When the King enjoys his own again

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 No.4074

>>4054

you suggest royal authority cannot be tyranic?

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 No.4076

File: 32d50ff9c8bd98a⋯.jpg (204.14 KB,912x1304,114:163,Jacques-Bénigne_Bossuet_3.jpg)

File: 7342bd9f9d1ef95⋯.jpg (45.08 KB,581x432,581:432,Bossuet_royalauthority.jpg)

>>4074

https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2010/06/monarchy-is-not-tyranny.html

>These four attributes of arbitrary government were (I) that subjects are born slaves and none are free, (II) no one possesses private property, the prince controls all sources of wealth and there is no inheritance, (III) the prince can dispose of the property and the lives of all in his realm at his whim and finally (IV) there is no law but the will of the ruler.

<you suggest royal authority cannot be tyrannical?

I have two answers to this.

>1. I distinguish monarch and tyrant with these standards. The same as how there is a standard for distinguishing a dictator and your ordinary republican leader through propaganda.

>2. Tyranny is just a word. I'm going to mouth off Hobbes for a bit and just admit that a monarchy is no more anti-liberty, even in its most absolute form, than other forms of government.

It has the potential to be tyrannical, but it isn't tyranny itself. We have standards and concepts of what an arbitrary ruler is and what an absolute ruler is. A monarch has tradition, peers, and countless others. The absolute ruler shows restraint. I make it better through this case that monarchs are absolute and also absolutely subject to reason.

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 No.4082

>>4056

On a personal note, whenever anyone posts anime, I laugh at them.

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 No.4096

>>4076

> a monarchy is no more anti-liberty, even in its most absolute form, than other forms of government.

r u insane?

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 No.4097

File: 78cb31bec5d003c⋯.jpg (89.68 KB,750x705,50:47,d131414.jpg)

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 No.4130

>>4097

im not

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 No.4157

>>4097

Is that one of Aki Eda's works?

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 No.4230

>>4157

I don't know, peasant. Maybe.

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 No.4265

File: 48975b08a07d8ee⋯.jpg (299.6 KB,1400x1837,1400:1837,DrUPkxVV4AEEzwk.jpg large.jpg)

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 No.4296

File: 4420d644e764a5c⋯.jpg (64.23 KB,609x201,203:67,On-Hobbes-objections-2ndry.jpg)

File: 4abd5e405cbe20a⋯.jpg (104.17 KB,620x316,155:79,On-hobbes-objections2-2ndr….jpg)

File: ee1f2ffef307609⋯.jpg (159.52 KB,584x467,584:467,On-Hobbes-objections3-2ndr….jpg)

>>4096

If I had to summarize what Hobbes means, by stating that 'tyranny is just a word', and showing how democracy can be no more liberal than monarchy… it goes to the idea of a leviathan and social contract theory and 'people as a whole' being part of a sovereignty. And also the concept of 'freedom' being 'freedom from' for reasons why a monarchy is perhaps more pro-liberty than democracy, seeing as civil liberty as a concept depends on being free from other people infringing upon you.

>pic related explains

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 No.4303

>>4296

yes, SOMETIMES monarchy provides more freedom than democracy

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 No.4333

File: 56fafb0be03db39⋯.jpg (327.73 KB,1536x1044,128:87,Eikon_Basilike_1649.jpg)

File: 4cc432489c0e0cd⋯.pdf (1.43 MB,Eikon Basilike_King-Charle….pdf)

Read Eikon Basilike, written by King Charles I. PDF provided.

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 No.4339

File: e853bdd271d9421⋯.mp4 (15.55 MB,480x360,4:3,The_Martyr.mp4)

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 No.4340

File: 05de4cf400e6e66⋯.mp4 (7.51 MB,640x480,4:3,English_Royalists.mp4)

<Royalists, dashing cavaliers, the loyal men who fought for King Charles the Martyr in the English Civil War. Still to this day there are two types of people who call themselves Englishmen; Cavaliers (who support the Crown and Royal Authority) and Roundheads (who do not and want the political class to have total control) and the Roundheads are, let us say, unworthy of the title of Englishman.

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 No.4341

File: a3e47ba38befb23⋯.mp4 (3.43 MB,480x360,4:3,Remember-.mp4.mp4)

>A Litany of Charles, King and Martyr

http://anglicanhistory.org/charles/litany.html

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 No.4342

File: 26954a3633a8378⋯.jpg (146.06 KB,1000x600,5:3,0420128512785.jpg)

File: 62062a4ec8b6671⋯.jpg (66.67 KB,672x372,56:31,pompeo-batoni-aeneas-fleei….jpg)

American history starts with the English Civil War

Remember that all political thought and the conflict between monarchy and republic begin with the English Civil War. The narrative doesn't start with King George III. It starts with King Charles I. It is an exodus story, but also the story of Aeneas, who fled from Troy and founded Rome. The eventual conflict with monarchy is the conflict between these two and liberty.

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 No.4350

File: b4c75d4437a7438⋯.jpg (46.97 KB,469x533,469:533,23683285032848023.jpg)

File: e01ac9d634856a7⋯.pdf (2.15 MB,Hilaire Belloc Charles I ….pdf)

Hilaire Belloc wrote on Charles I and covers the English Civil War here.

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 No.4352

File: 08ecccff7559233⋯.jpg (49.42 KB,448x448,1:1,908123_.jpg)

File: b6b6f97a8323fbb⋯.pdf (4.95 MB,Hobbes-Behemoth.pdf)

Behemoth. Hobbes' account.

To the Right Honourable

SIR HENRY BENNET, BARON OF ARLINGTON.

My Lord,

I present your Lordship with four short dialogues concerning the memorable civil war in his Majesty’s dominions from 1640 to 1660. The first contains the seed of it, certain opinions in divinity and politics. The second hath the growth of it in declarations, remonstrances, and other writings between the King and Parliament published. The two last are a very short epitome of the war itself, drawn out of Mr. Heath’s chronicle. There can be nothing more instructive towards loyalty and justice than will be the memory, while it lasts, of that war. Your Lordship may do with it what you please. I petition not to have it published. But I pray your Lordship not to desist to be favourable as you have been, to me that am,

My Lord,⁠

Your Lordship’s most humble and obliged servant,

⁠THOMAS HOBBES.

Behemoth is a dialogue between A and B and is filled with details on the English Civil War.

<The dialogue opens with the student asking the master how it was that a monarch as strong as Charles I should ever have had to face a rebellion. The master relates that a growing opposition to the crown was promoted by seven factions, each of them for their own ends and not in concert, who stoked the fires of rebellion. These factions were: Papists, Presbyterians, Independents including other sects of religious faith, those who were corrupted by their reading of the Latin and Greek classics, centres of commerce and trade such as London, those with no means of support who saw the war as a way to profit, and the lack of understanding as to the important role played by the monarchy in society. - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behemoth_(Hobbes_book)

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 No.4359

>>4096

Monarchies are objectively more pro-liberty than democracy or other forms of government.

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 No.4364

>>4359

how so?

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 No.4790

Usurpers take the reigns of power and authority and feel righteous. Lest we forget the nature of insurrection and power-grabbing; revolutions make things worse, not better.

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 No.4798

>>4364

It's a matter of incentive. The monarch is much like a private property owner of his realm: He owns it for life, and will pass it on to his heir upon death. Because of this, he faces the same incentives as a private-property owner does, the key of these being low time-preference. The monarch understands that if he taxes less now, the economy will grow faster with the higher productivity, and this will allow him to expropriate a greater quantity later. As such, it is in his own interest to encourage a laissez-faire economy, and in his own interest for his reign to be relatively hands-off. The democratic ruler, by contrast, does not own the country, but merely its curator. He does not own the land and assets, he is merely given temporary control over its product and income. Because of this, it is in the democrat's own interest to maximize current income and product, even if it comes at the expense of long-term productivity. After all, by the time long-term comes around, somebody else will be in office.

Further, there is the matter of demeanor. Whether a king is a good man or bad is determined by a dice roll of genetics. Whatever his disposition, he is taught from birth what it means to rule, what proper etiquette is, how to act properly, and so forth. He spends years in training to be a good king, and this is generally reflected favorably in his actions. But a democrat's disposition is not a dice roll of genetics; the nature of elections means that democratic rulers are predisposed towards being power-hungry sociopaths and pathological liars, cold beings with a knack for getting gullible voters to believe that they will represent their constituency's interests. The electoral system therefore promotes undesirable behavior, and by implication suppresses honorable behavior; there is a strong correlation between one's success in the system and one's being a manipulative jackass. By the same token, democratic rulers do not receive training in how to rule, but how to acquire power. That is, when they receive training or preparation for their goal at all, as many of them don't think that far ahead, and are merely opportunists.

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 No.4818

>>4798

ah yes i know hoppe's ideas

however if you look at modern monarchies- brunei for example- you will see that there is a sharia law so not really much liberty

though taxes are not high there indeed

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 No.4820

>>4818

True, but you need to compare apples to apples. Brunei would likely be under Sharia law whether or not they were a monarchy, because Brunei is a Muslim shithole. However, I would imagine that sharia law enabled by mob rule would be much more destructive to Brunei than sharia law under a king. But if you look at European countries and how democratic they are, you can see a rapid increase in taxes and government intrusion immediately after the dissolution of the monarchy. While the US never had a monarchy, you can see a clear correlation between increasing suffrage–becoming more democratic–and the overton window sailing left.

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 No.4821

>>4074

Naturally since royal authority comes from God.

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 No.4855

>>4821

god does not exist

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 No.4983

File: 0fc114a2578cac5⋯.png (186.45 KB,1788x853,1788:853,1.png)

File: 79e97e01a39f540⋯.png (235.04 KB,1800x372,150:31,2.png)

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 No.5008

>>4983

dawkins smashes these "explainations for presence of god"

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 No.5071

>>5008

Do you have an excerpt or image that describes his argument? It’s all we’ll and good he smashes the argument but he also wrote quite a lot.

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 No.5072

File: 4a528878acba3a4⋯.png (158.34 KB,780x800,39:40,skepticism-comic2.png)

>>5008

Trying to "disprove" God, particularly through the empiricist tracks which Dawkins uses, is an exercise in futility, for two reasons. The first because any such argument will devolve into little more than a debate over semantics; the atheists will proclaim that the Big Bang and the singularity from which it sprang is the first cause, theists that these are insufficient and only God can be first cause. The second is because the answer to this question is irrelevant. Organized religion, and the church in particular, have been immensely positive forces over time–it preserved and collected knowledge in the Middle Ages after Rome's fall, and subsequently became the gathering place for intellectuals. The Scholastics built on the work of Zeno, Aristotle, and the other Greek philosophers, and continued the Stoic tradition into the medieval era. But most importantly, in the past and today the church serves as a communal hub and bulwark of tradition. Its teachings encourage people to engage in productive, low-time preference behavior, and the covenant communities formed around churches tend to be much higher trust and more functional than the alternatives. Regardless of its veracity, the promise of an afterlife, and the idea of a supreme being with a personal interest in the lives of all men, is a very appealing one, and serves to tame any possible existential crises that people may develop; without the calming presence of the church, many of these people become rootless hedonists.

Being an atheist doesn't make you big-brained If you prefer living in a functional and healthy society, and you just can't get yourself to believe in "le magic Sky Daddy who takes care of everything," just realize it's in your own interest to become a cultural Christian, and that it's far more satisfying to associate with the types of people that call themselves Christians, rather than the types of people who call themselves atheists.

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 No.5729

File: a66c6a6ed148829⋯.mp4 (290.26 KB,638x360,319:180,Dissolve_Parliament.mp4.mp4)

I miss this king with all my heart.

Those were the days…

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 No.5733

>>5729

G L O R I O U S R E S T O R A T I O N .

See >>737 .

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 No.5757

>>5071

one of his arguments is abiogenesis, as evolutionary biologist he obviously focuses on biological evolution

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 No.5762

>>5072

But those hubs you're speaking of always believed in God. Do you think it'll still work if around 50% of the people don't really believe in God but are in it for the culture it creates, like you seem to be(apologies if you're a Christian)?

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 No.5773

Reminder that plenty of creeds don't insist on a personal god or a god that holds human affairs in special importance. Dawkins' ilk just fixate on the Kike notion of an Abusive Sky Daddy since they're really just rebelling against their traditions, not from studying the teachings in this world.

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 No.5870

>>4855

>>5072

>>5757

>>5008

>>4983

>>5773

>>5762

Derailing so hard in this thread.

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 No.5871

>>5762

>Do you think it'll still work if around 50% of the people don't really believe in God but are in it for the culture it creates

You're correct, it probably wouldn't, but that's the thing. Human nature is such that far more than 50% of people genuinely do believe in God, if that weren't the case organized religions wouldn't have the foothold that they do in society. You're right that this wouldn't work if most people thought in this manner, but there are very few people who actually think in this manner, simply because it's so emotionally untenable for them to do so. Apologies if this sounds like big-brained fedora tipping.

>apologies if you're a Christian

Outwardly I tell people that I am, but I'm more a cultural Christian than a dyed-in-the-wool believer.

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 No.5918

File: 24979da9a4dcc77⋯.mp4 (7.01 MB,450x360,5:4,King_Charles_II_of_England….mp4)

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 No.5940

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>>5871

Hopefully these will help.

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 No.5942

>>5940

Thanks, but I'm already familiar with Aquinas' arguments. They are good arguments, logically sound, but ultimately they are arguments in favor of a first cause generally, not God specifically.

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 No.6301

>>5942

God comes to the picture when you realize more about yourself. What does it mean for the Source of all being to reflect self-awareness and the fullness of experience?

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 No.6303

>>5918

/monarchy/'s favorite clip.

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 No.6304

>>6301

>What does it mean for the Source of all being to reflect self-awareness and the fullness of experience?

You're going to have to tell me, because I'm not quite sure what you mean by that.

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 No.6326

Bloody Cromwel, bloody Bradshaw and Tyrant Ireton, who being drawn to Ty∣born upon two Sledges,January 30. 1661. the same day of the moneth as they Murdered our Sovereign Lord King Charles the first, of ever blessed Memory, Cromwels Sledg comming first to Tyborn, his Coffin was broken open, then a rope put about his Neck, by the Execu∣tioner, and drawn upon the South side of Tyborn, Bradshaw and Ireton, come on the second Sledg, and Bradshaw was drawn up with a rope on the East side of Tyborn, and Ireton was hanged on the North side; they did hang for the space of six or seaven hours, in the view of thousands of people, then was their heads cut off by the Executioner, and their bones buried under Ty∣born, and their heads set where the Kings Majesty pleaseth.–

To the Tune of, Oliver was of Huntington, &c.

VVHO did not hear of Olivers Nose,

with a fa, la, la, la, la, lero.

It was of the largest sise as I suppose,

with a fa, la, &c.

O he was excellent cunning and wise,

And Craftily fooled the people with lies.

And thought by his wit to furmount the Skies,

with a fa, &c.

He was a Souldier in time of the VVar,

with a fa, &c,

And he caused many a bloody scar,

with a fa, &c.

From a Captain unto a Lord Generall,

And then a Protector at last of all

And from that high stile he there caught a fall,

with a fa, &c.

But in the first place, he ruld as a King,

with a fa, &c.

He had his pleasure, the world in a sling,

with a fa, &c.

He had whatsoever with the beck of his fist,

And ••m•unded all men to what he list,

And those that offended, he gave them the Twist,

with a fa, &c.

Then Noll at last fell mighty sick,

with a fa, &c.

Past the care of man or Physick,

with a fa, &c.

VVhen No•… was felling sick and would dy,

Beldam Ione•ung for nither Chapawry,

And having an Oynion she séemed to cry,

with a fa, &c.

Then a brave Tomb there must be made,

with a fa, &c.

And in it this Hector must be laid,

with a fa, &c.

And furder to worship their Idol beast,

They every day made him a feast,

After they had put, this bar-boone in his chest

with a fa, &c.

BVt then brave Monck he turned the tide,

with a fa la la la la lero,

Threw Lambert and Haslerig out of their pride

with a fa, &c.

Brought in our King and the Traytors knapt,

And many into fast prison was clapt,

But they wanted a tyrant under ground wrapt

with a fa &c.

Twas thought the great wind had him stole,

with a fa, &c.

At last they dived into a hole,

with a fa, &c.

And looking into the Valt round,

Olivers Nose they quickly found,

And two Traytors more that lay under ground

with a fa, &c.

Then out of Westminster they lifted them hey,

with a fa, &c.

To the Sign of the Lyon all in one day,

with a fa, &c.

And then upon the thirtieth day,

On sledges they did them convey,

To Tiburn for to take their way,

with a fa, &c.

Oliver first to Tiburn came,

with a fa, &c.

The Sheriffe and his men for him made room,

with a fa, &c.

Then Squire Dun his Coffin burst,

With a Rope Gaffer Cromwel up he trust,

And when he came down his head off must,

with a fa, &c.

Then Bradshaw next that bloody Iudg,

with a fa, &c.

To hang him up Dun did not grudge,

with a fa, &c.

Their did hang this bloody fiend,

On Tyburn he had a stretching swing,

And then next his head must be severed from him,

with a fa, &c.

Then Ireton next to make a Tryangle,

with a fa, &c.

They there by the Neck in a halter did dangle,

with a fa, &c.

Now these Traytors have lost their powers

VVho formerly had gaind Towns and Towers,

Did hang at Tyborn six or seaven hours,

with a fa, &c.

Cromwel, Bradshavv, Ireton, farewel,

vvith a fa, &c.

A mess under Tiburn for the Devil of hell,

vvith a fa, &c.

From Tyburn they e're bid adiew,

And there is an end of a stincking crew,

I wish all may to their King prove true,

vvith a fa la la la la lero.

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 No.6327

A List of the names of those Traytors that wed, drawn, and quartered for murdering th' soveraign of blessed memory, Charls the First

• Thomas Harison,

• John Carew,

• Tho.S•••

• ••••ory Clement,

• John Jones,

• Adrian Scroo••

• 〈◊〉 Petets,

• John Cook,

• Col.Axtel,

• Col.Hac••

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