No.2405
what is /monarchy/'s take on fag marriage?
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No.2406
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No.2408
If it is a secular/private affair, it is okay. Doesn't benefit society with the prospect of children. Doesn't go with the social norm. It is merely their life choice.
If it is a religious affair, then it is ungodly.
Since /monarchy/ is rooted in the family, and the responsibility of the monarch to bring heirs and provide for the family, it is a dangerous freedom in a traditional culture. LGBTQIA+ shouldn't be supported. Sexes should be defined by their fertility and not their sexuality. There are two genders. The rest of society needs to value fatherhood/motherhood rather than fruitless fornication.
Historically, gays relationships were immoral and that was the end of the story. They could be imprisoned.
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No.2410
>>2405
>fag
>marriage
Fags can sign contracts with each other under the presence of a state official regarding inheritance, assets division, and the contract is a proof those two fags share responsibility in matters such as loans.
Advocating for "gay marriage" would be a crime against the family unit.
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No.2418
>>2408
Children are born outside of marriage all the time and not all marriages lead to children. The association of marriage with fertility has already been removed over the last century (if it was ever there in the first place).
Anyway, gays can still obtain children even though they can't fertilise each other. Not that I claim to be an expert on this. But laws creating and strengthening a union should help gay families, if they help straight ones.
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No.2420
>>2418
Men seek honor in a society.
Marriage is a ceremony of love.
In the Christian tradition, Jesus unites man and woman with a ring, fulfilling yet another miracle of life. Remember in Genesis, when Adam's ribs were taken out, the ring symbolizes re-unifying the sexes.
>children born outside of marriage
More reason to get married.
>gays obtain children
Not ideal. Heterosexual couples are more suited to nurture children. Women have breasts and motherly capabilities, and men have muscles and fatherly responsibility. What if the child is a daughter in a man on man couple? How will the daughter relate to the two fathers if there isn't a mother? Likewise, if a boy was in a lesbian couple, how would the boy relate to the two mothers and find the inspiration to be a man?
>homosexuality
Is what it is, but it should never be prioritized over the heterosexual norm. Ever.
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No.2421
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No.2424
Oxymoron
The point of marriage is to create a family
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No.2433
>>2420
>Men seek honor in a society.
Marriage is a ceremony of love.
OK
>In the Christian tradition, Jesus unites man and woman with a ring,
Marriage is a human universal which Christianity cannot possibly claim a monopoly on.
>More reason to get married.
The point is marriage has become unhooked from fertility. Can you deny this?
>Not ideal.
Evidence? Does an arrangement have to be 'ideal' to benefit from marriage / exist at all?
Are you responding to me or just making random comments?
>it should never be prioritized over the heterosexual norm.
Who is talking about prioritizing anything you fragile fagget?
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No.2434
>How will the daughter relate to the two fathers if there isn't a mother? Likewise, if a boy was in a lesbian couple, how would the boy relate to the two mothers and find the inspiration to be a man?
Do you not relate to your mother? Weird.
This is all overblown. Children are aware what gender they are and will pick this stuff up.
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No.2435
>>2434
>are aware of what gender they are
Get out, SHITLORD bigot.
There are 37 genders.
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No.2436
>>2418
>Anyway, gays can still obtain children
Gays obtain children in order to sexually abuse them and thereby produce more faggots. Why should we allow this?
>>2433
>Marriage is a human universal which Christianity cannot possibly claim a monopoly on.
If you would open your eyes for a single moment and would compare Christian marriage with any other form of marriage in history you would never claim such a thing. Everything we associate with marriage today is purely Christian.
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No.2437
>>2433
>marriage unhooked from fertility
Ideally,people should aspire to be married. It is healthier and legitimate for social well being.
>marriage has no ideal benefits
Then why should gays get married?
The arrangement is not ideal because of natural design. Female sex was made for the male sex and the male sex was made for the female sex. Marriage is the typically the foundation of a household, an extension of the family's legacy and honor. Marriage is necessary to promote stable monogamous relationships and the pursuit of love. The arrangement of marriage is meant for fertility before and afterwards, so it doesn't matter whether marriage safeguards the next generation of children…
Gay marriage isn't much of a continuation. It is just a personal commitment.
Also, when I said it wasn't ideal, it was everything to do with what I later said about different sexes not having a model from their same sex fathers/mothers. You don't wave a magic wand and ignore that point.
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No.2438
>>2418
I never argued about marriage for fertility. It's more social.
I argued that sexuality should be ignored, and the sexes should be divided into their fertile purpose: father and mother; nothing else, but consisting of male and female; sexual roles and tradition… correspond to what it means to be a father and mother. PERIOD.
What does it mean to be a man? The same question is what does it mean to be a father.
What does it mean to be a woman? The same question is what does it mean to be a mother.
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No.2439
>all those responses explaining why marriage is necessary for a family and society
>not calling him a "bastard" and being done with it.
"Born out of wedlock" is still an insult, ponder on that.
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No.2460
>>2436
>Gays obtain children in order to sexually abuse them and thereby produce more faggots. Why should we allow this?
Utter bullshit
>Everything we associate with marriage today is purely Christian.
Complete and utter bullshit
>>2437
>marriage has no ideal benefits
Not what I'm saying. I'm saying even if a parent from each gender is ideal (which may or may not be true, I don't know) that's not an argument against gay marriage, since gay marriage still improves gay families.
>different sexes not having a model from their same sex fathers/mothers.
I already said this was irrelevant. Gender is in the genes. Boys raised by lesbians will be boys, not girls.
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No.2461
>>2438
That's just throwing multiple groups under the bus in a last ditch effort to fight against birth control, female education etc.
What do you think of nuns?
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No.2470
>>2460
>Utter bullshit
>Complete and utter bullshit
Not an argument cuck
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No.2471
>>2470
I don't have to explain why your bullshit is bullshit. It's up to you to work it out.
Alternatively, come back up with some evidence to back up your claims (though this will not happen as none exists)
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No.2492
>>2471
Here you go. What now?
A couple of question everyone should ask himself. How many abused children are boys? How many perpetrators are male? What percentage of males are homosexuals? What percentage of homosexuals must therefore be child predators? Bonus question: How many homosexuals have themselves been abused as children? I'll leave it up to the reader to connect these questions.
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No.2498
>>2492
I bet those traffic accidents are misdiagnosed suicides. Though it is possible their drug and alcohol abuse plays a key role there as well.
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No.2499
>>2498
True. Classical murder is a good candidate too. Homosexuals are likely to be perpetrators of crime, but also victims of (their own) crime. The murder rate among homos is pretty high, in addition they live in circumstances making them more susceptible, such as regulary dealing with drug dealers. Especially lesbians are famous for beating each other up viciously.
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No.6436
>>2492
Your image macro can't even decide whether the homosexuals represent 1, 2, 3.5, or 10 percent of the population ffs
Not that it even matters, as with all queers self-reporting is an issue. So many of the statistics in your macro are calculated from figures which simply are not accurate, even if the creator(s) of that macro could decide which figures to use. Presumably these figures are interchanged on a case-by-case basis depending on which percentage of homosexuals would paint the queer community in the worst light.
I have yet to even dig into the most damning of this image macro's issues. The points raised from citations (5) and (27) dispute each other, even though they're right next to one another. How did nobody catch that as they were making this macro? 3-4% of gonorrhea cases does not constitute a majority of gonorrhea cases no matter how badly you mangle the numbers as I have described in the preceding paragraph.
I am tired of seeing people post this image as a trump card when asked to back up their points with evidence. If anyone who posted this image macro ever read it themselves before they posted it, they would realize that this faulty evidence just sabotages their argument.
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No.6437
>>2405
It used to be that I thought that gays were fine, as long as they weren't flamboyant about it, led a normal married life with some lesbian and just fucked men as a quiet non-public hobby on the side, not necessarily extremely well-hidden, just enough so that people know it'd be vulgar to spread unnecessary rumor.
Then I heard of the arch-faggot Alfred Redl.
Hang the fags, then burn the bodies so others may not be contaminated by their corruption.
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No.6438
Gays should all be killed. They are parasites and leeches, not to mention the leading child molesters and progenitors of STDs.
The idea that these subhumans can get married to one another is comical.
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No.6447
>>2418
> But laws creating and strengthening a union should help gay families, if they help straight ones.
why? they are a very small minority. Anyways, homosexuals are more likely to do various risky behaviors. Mainly the sheer number of sexual partners they have should be enough proof as to why it's detrimental to raising children.
>I already said this was irrelevant. Gender is in the genes. Boys raised by lesbians will be boys, not girls.
wrong, you need to be taught to be a man, or a woman. They might still be Boys, but not good ones society needs.
>Marriage is a human universal which Christianity cannot possibly claim a monopoly on.
At first you were arguing for practical reasons why a state should support gay marriage. The terms of civil marriage are much different than religious marriage. You can have religious marriage without civil marriage.
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No.6451
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No.6461
>>6436
>Is proud of his half-Nigger grandson
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No.6648
>>6461
I thought this thread was talking about the importance of having children and a family =^)
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No.6649
>>6648
Non-degenerate societies that aren't filled with untermensch effectively don't accept miscegenation. But tell us the many successes of South America.
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No.6685
>>2405
What's the point?
>Marriage is a sacrament for the production of children
If you're gay, there's no fucking point (literally)
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No.7150
>>6447
The distinction between civil and religious marriage in English common law means that there will be 'gay marriage' under whatever name in the future, because it would be an undue violation of the concept of equality before the law (that is, not recognizing that type of contractural relation is seen as creating an arbitrary class persons to whom the ability to form a contract betwixt is prohibited). The fact that there will be people that believe this interpretation in the future means that you will have to either coerce to keep silent or brainwash them to accept a religious view they don't share. Commitment to a theocratic ideal and commitment to a liberal ideal (such as the one the Framers adopted) was the number one division in the so called 'Enlightenment', so you will have to argue against a very many number of beliefs adopted since Robison published his prophetic warning if you want to defeat the idea of marriage between members of the same sex.
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No.7200
Fags can marry secularly, I don't give a damn. No adoption, no church weddings, whatever.
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No.7211
>>7200
You give 'em an inch they will take a mile. That's what republicans have always done, especially the left leaning ones.
Once you let them marry, than they will want to adopt children. Would you allow them to in your hypothetical kingdom?
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No.7212
>>7211
Indeed. They just want to complain and beg for more.
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No.7234
>>7211
>than they will want to adopt children
they already do in 99% of burgerland
with the exception of BASED Nebraska
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No.7238
>>7200
There's no such thing as a secular marriage. Properly done, marriage is a union in the eyes of God first, and as a legal joining a very distant second. The idea of godless marriages is a republican invention, as they seek to replace religion with a civic facsimile of worshiping the state.
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No.7270
This thread has ultimately proved to me that there are many homo's stomping ALL over my board thinking of themselves as monarchists.
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No.7274
>>7270
The Alt-Right/Reaction/White Nationalism has always drawn in Racist Liberals/New World Trash.
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No.7356
>live in mud huts
>gets enslaved
>is gifted civilization by humans
>destroy humans' civilization
>claims you created civilization and that humans are rapebabies
>have not stopped serving the jew ever since
Guess which race am I talking about.
Still can't guess? here's one more hint: hate everything that is natural, like murder, rape, pedophilia and gender roles.
Answer: White.
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No.7359
>>7356
>white is now a unifying force and ethnic group
>The term white being used ever except in regards to ethnicity in the U.S.
this b8 aint gr8
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No.7590
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No.7627
"We observe that all nations, barbarous as well as civilized, though separately founded because remote from each other in time and space, keep these three human customs: all have some religion, all contract solemn marriages, all bury their dead. And in no nation, however savage and crude, are any human activities celebrated with more elaborate ceremonies and more sacred solemnity than religion, marriage and burial. For, by the axiom that "uniform ideas, born among peoples unknown to each other, must have a common ground of truth," it must have been dictated to all nations that from these three institutions humanity began among them all, and therefore they must be most devoutly observed by them all, so that the world should not again become a bestial wilderness."
"This, after religion, is the second bond that keeps nations united, even as shamelessness and impiety destroy them. Such was the origin of marriage, which is a chaste carnal union consummated under the fear of some divinity…. marriage was defined among the Romans as omnis vitae consortium, "a lifelong sharing of lot," and the husband and wife were called consortes or "lot-sharers.""
"From this most ancient origin of marriage came the custom by which women enter the families and houses of the men they marry. This natural custom of the gentile nations was preserved by the Romans, among whom women were regarded as daughters of their husbands and sisters of their children. Thus not merely must marriage have been from the beginning a union with one woman only, as it continued to be among the Romans (a custom Tacitus admires in the ancient Germans, who like the Romans kept intact the institutional origins of their nations, and who give us ground for conjecturing similar
beginnings for all others), but it must also have been a union to last for life, as indeed remained the custom among a great many peoples. Hence among the Romans marriage was defined, with this property in view, as individua vitae consuetudo, "unbroken companionship of life" [Inst. 1.9.1]; and divorce was introduced very late among them. "
A mockery of an ancient and sacred institution.
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No.7639
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No.7641
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No.7660
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No.8726
>>2408
>There are two genders
I would go further and say there are only 2 sexes (something bound by the genitalia and secondary sexual characteristics). Saying there are 2 genders still has the implication that a man can identify as a woman.
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No.8727
>>6436
>hasn't realized that the percentages come from the studies, and that libs can't make up their minds on how much of the population is gay
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