/traditionalcatholics/ - Traditional Catholics

I'm still contemplating the Rules for this board.

After looking at the sewage that has become the board/christian/ I think it best to delete the obvious troll posters (e.g. "The Book of Chad" and ) and those post made by Protestants who come here to spread falsehoods and rail against the Church.

I need to research if we are even allowed to try and convert Heretics, Jews and pagans. The council of Basel says we need the bishop's permission to do so, and allowing them to even ask questions may be disobedience to the Magisterium and against our faith.

I am more interested in the conversion of the low hanging fruit - other Catholics, to traditional Catholicism.

Why here?"

Why here, of all places? Because the Catholic Faith will be censored and banned just about anywhere else.

1) Sodomy is a mortal sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance.

2) Marriage is between one man and one woman and is for your entire life, no divorce!

3) Sex is God's power of Creation and for the purpose of raising children only. No contraception, no sterilization, no voluptuousness.

4) Association with Jews is forbidden.

I have to rewrite this for some reason because it reset. As an Atheist who doesn't believe in the supernatural, how could you convert "heretics, Jews and Pagans"? Hell, half you guys, including your pope, simps and is a total cuck for the LGBT rainbow mafia. not to mention the amount of adultery and sex before marriage (especially women who ride the cock carousel before they become "Born Again", whatever thats supposed to mean ands spread their aids to their "husband" wich they will inevitably cheat and divorse rape) and other major degenerate activities you people push in soyciety that you Christians participate in and the general leftist cuckold ideology has done its toll on the west already. we don't need more of this vile religion, we need less. Reading John 8 for me was evident enough that Jesus was a cuckold and a simp for allowing a disease-ridden sloor walk free.

From the posts in other boards, I thought that maybe real Catholics would like a board of their own. Why? Because posting in Christian is against the Catholic religion if you're not going to (a) defend the faith and (b) be there just to convert the protestants and save their souls.

The problem with protestants is that their arguments are not rational, deny most of the Teachings of Christ, and they argue in bad faith. Using logic on them is a waste of time. They are lost souls.

But, most Catholics are lost souls too. Very few will ever see heaven.

What I really wanted to discuss with real Catholics is how to bring back the lost sheep to the Catholic faith.

Say someone was baptized and the baptism is recognized as valid. After all, even a pagan can baptize you as long as he has the correct intent and does the sacrament properly. The baptized grows up outside the faith, lives like a pagan, then realizes (say by personal revelation) that the Catholic faith is the truth faith. So, he wants to join the Church.

But he's got impediments: Maybe a wife who's not catholic and not interested in being Catholic, or a child who's older and refused to be taught the catholic faith. These mortal sins are on going, and the person returning can't really resolve them. Sure, he can put out his civil marriage "wife", but his child? The Convert is outside the church until he can raise his older child catholic.

Here's the sad part: you find in the papal encyclicals where even a Pagan who has these conditions can be baptized and receive the sacrament of communion. Not the prodigal son of the Church! He must make a general confession, put out his "wife" and convert his children.

If you stop and think about it, the Church was not made to be in this position. It was made to be the prevalent religion that was always there. The Church was effectively gone for half a century. Its easier for a pagan than anyone baptized Christian.

In other news, my repeated prayers for my daughter to overcome her mental illness have been answered! She's doing much better and closer to living up to her potential! Praise be to God and the Blessed Mother who prayed for me! I am so thankful.

Protestants see what so called "Catholics" do and what the see turns them away from the Church.

The Catholic faith is found in the dogmas of the church. The faith has been perverted by personal revelations e.g. "Fatima" (the Mother of Christ would never thwart the will of God. That's heresy), and Mary Worship (if you pray to Mary for victory over Satan, you're worshiping Mary. The prayer goes "pray (to God) for us sinners now". The whole brown scapular cult is goes beyond heresy into blasphemy; Salvation comes from God, not Mary.

After reading wildly conflicting catechisms, I went to the source, the Dogma you are to believe. This book has most of it, tho' due to the protests of the Christ killers, the Council of Basel is omitted with a comical "the decrees of …. contain nothing new". Yet, the book contains many other times when the same teaching was repeated by the Popes again and again.

The Catechism of Thomas Aquinas is false.

The Examination of Conscience for Adults by Father Miller, which declares every temptation to be a mortal sin, has no basis in Catholic dogma.

Catholic Dogma is that mortal sins are the sins calling for a penalty of Death in the Law of Moses. God is infallible and indefectable; the law didn't change with the Word of God (Christ). What was a mortal sin before is a mortal sin NOW.

I'm a bit repulsed at the deceptions about the teachings of Christ by the Church. They drive people away from Christ with their deceit.

There are two possible reasons for claiming temptation is a mortal sin; virtue signaling and getting people to go to mass so they'll make a collect. Both are have been denounced by Jesus Christ, the very Word of God. None of these sins are founded in the teachings of the Vicar of Christ; they are a "new gospel" and are thus professed by heretics and anthemas.

Therefore I ask, where is the Church promised by Christ God? It is certainly not the FSSP, who for the sake of the use of a few churches, some quite heretical, say the forbidden words of the council of Trent: that the novus ordo mass is valid and that the Holy Eucharist may be taken in the hand, they are anPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

The FSSP did it, they became an anathema by saying that the Novus Ordo sacrilege is a valid mass, that the Mass need not be per Pope Leo and are thus under a curse, that the Roman Rite need not be in Latin (anathema per the council of Trent) and that the Holy Eucharist can be taken in the hand. In exchange they get to use Churches that have fallen into the wicked hands of the Novus Ordo. They sold their souls for some church doors!

Think this is nothing? Saint Peter was martyred because he refused to say that the Roman Emperor was a god!

It's basically about money - church property. It's just a pile of bricks.

The Sanbornist are holding mass in people's garages! That's the spirit!

I was just reflecting…

The Talmud is to the Torah what the Summa is to Catholic Dogma. Both the Talmud and the Summa changed the religion for the worse. They virtue signaled their fake holiness by making everything a damnable offense.

Saint Aquinas used logic (often very bad logic) in forming the summa, just as rabbis used very bad scholarship in writing the Talmud. Both changed the underlying religion of God for the worse.

Example: while Christ summarized salvation as love of God and love of your fellow man, Aquinas invented sins against yourself. A new gospel of Saint Aquinas.

Example: the Sanhedrin while lying about Christ to Pontius Pilate, breaking the commandments of the Law of Moses not to murder and not to bear false witness, were careful not to set foot in the building where Pilate was, least they commit a sin.

I see no flaw in the true Catholic dogma, the problem is there are no Catholics

So, how to obtain the sacraments? Doesn't seem possible.

The novus ordo takes the Holy Eucharist in the hand, says the mass in Latin, and claims that there are other Churches of Christ other than the Catholic Church. They're an anathema per the council of Trent. To be sure, that's not something you inhale with if you has Asthma, an anthema is cursed, damned and sent to hell by Almighty God, and outside the Church.

The FSSP and now the SSPX are in communion or trying to be in communion with these false beliefs: they, too, are thus an anthema.

The SSPV and the other branch with the original mass of Trent don't keep these beliefs. But the other two say that they're not priests and bishops because they've been excommunicated.

Well, then maybe we were not worthy of the promises of Christ and there is no Church.

I don't see a path to heaven at this point. Those under Bishop Sanborn seem to have the correct faith, but under the correct faith you'd be better to be an unbaptised pagan than anyone who was properly baptized. Pagans were allowed to keep their pagan spouses. It was also a time when fathers ruled the house and could command their children to be catechized - not effective, I know, but the Church never took fault in themselves for failure to convert a kid, but they're more than willing to find fault in a parent.

There is no path to heaven.

I see people at mass looking at their phones and goofing around with the collection basket. What is this! As I'm contemplating Father's homily on the Body of Christ and the Holy Eucharist, he looks me straight in the eye and says people need to pay attention! I am paying attention! I'm lamenting that he's holding my sins and I can't take the Holy Eucharist.

I'm tired of this. I'm tired of the FSSP/SSPX making irrational, false arguments because they really want access to the Church buildings controlled by the Vatican. I'm tired of priests who think that Saint Aquinas has the keys to heaven, not Saint Peter. Saint Aquinas found everything to be a mortal sin. Nobody seems to have the actual faith.

Some of these crucifixes are rather grand and glorious. That seems wrong to me. The crucifix was an instrument created for slow and painful death as a punishment for serious crime. In thinking of it's supernatural meaning, the conclusion I've reached is that it is the physical symbol of the mortal sins of those who choose to follow Jesus the Anointed One. Christ suffers and sacrificed for the sins of His faithful.

So I don't like the grand and glorious crucifixes, embellished with gold and silver and stones. Our sins are wicked and painful for God, who is perfect and good, to endure.

Thinking on your own comes with the Hermit curse.

I see these "Traditional Catholic mass" videos on YouTube. They are not the Tridentine mass, but you'd never know the difference if you didn't have a true, unchanged Tridentine mass missal and didn't speak Latin.

And these "Crisis in the Church" videos. What did they expect to happen when they sell their souls for an unlocked Church door and denied the faith?! It's pretty obvious why the FSSP and the SSPX are calling that pagan man Begoglio a "Pope"; the Pope names the bishops and the bishops hold the keys to the building.

But Saint Peter holds the keys to heaven. I'd rather the true mass and true faith in a barn than a sacrilegious mass and freemason faith in what was Saint Peter's Basilica, before it was defiled by Begoglio and his wicked idols. Now? Saint Peters will suffer the same fate of the Temple of Solomon after Solomon dragged pagan idols into it: destruction.

The Vatican is just some man made buildings, after all. It is a loss but a small one compared to the loss of heaven.

It is damning of what people who call themselves Catholic that you can buy all mannor of books on personal revelations, but no one publishes the Infallible and indefectable teachings from the Chair of Saint Peter, the word of God as guide by God the Holy Ghost to the Vicar of Christ.

It's all "fatima" this and "immaculate heart" that. These are not of God! God promised to work through his vicar. You stopped listening to God's vicar, then you don't get a true Vicar, you get Begoglio.

And the whole faith has been perverted from that held by the Magistarium to that of Thomas Aquinas. Aquinas was never guided by infallibility.

The teaching of the Magisterium of the Chair of Saint Peter says there are 7 sacraments:

1) Baptism which removes all sins, original and actual.

2) Confirmation

3) Sacrament of the Mass (Holy Eucharist) which removes venial sins through priest's blessing.

4) Marriage

5) Holy Orders

6) Penance which removes confessed sins (actual sins both venial and mortal)

7) Extreme Unction which removes actual sins.

Okay then! To get to heaven, you must not have mortal sins on your soul. The sacraments are necessary to remove them.

Now, along comes "Personal revelations"! When they promise some other non-sacramental way to get around mortal sin and go to heaven without confession, they're Heresy. The Delores rosary is such a heresy; you are not forgiven mortal sin because you pray this rosary. That is of the devil. You have to repent, confess, and do penance.

This kind of falling of the faith, and so many priest promote this heresy, is why the Church was destroyed by the wrath of God. There is no path to heaven except for the one Lord Jesus Christ provided by his sacrifice on the cross. The Keys to Heaven were given to Saint Peter and his legitimate successor who are guided by God the Holy Ghost.

Father called upon us to say this Rosary before mass. It seemed strange to me and was never mentioned in any Catholic Catechism. As we got into the Rosary it quickly seemed an abomination to me: for every one of Christ's sufferings, we are to lament the pain of his poor mother! What?! She did not sweat blood in the Garden of Gethesemane! We should be lamenting the suffering Christ endured for his love of us to save us! No wonder protestants get confused and think Catholics worship Mary; because some heretical Catholics do worship Mary.

For this the Church is being chastised and handed over to Satan.

The faithful are attracted to the Catholic religion as it is written.

Then they are driven away by heresy. The problem is, no one practices the Catholic religion, the true Church of Christ the Lord, anymore. We are like the jews after Babylon; corrupt and wicked and we pretend to be holy by making false rules.

The Novus Ordo simply ignores the Catholic religion.

The FSSP teaches both the Novus Ordo and the Catholic religion but adds the false rules, and let each in the parish choose what to believe like a protestant. Bergoglio is now demanding that all in the FSSP renounce the Catholic faith and say that the Novus Ordo supper service is a valid mass, and to say it is brings damnation upon you by the decree of the Council of Trent.

The SSPX like their founder Archbishop Lefebvre has lost their courage and defy their very reason for being, saying Bergoglio is Pope. If Bergoglio is Pope then they are excommunicated. If Bergoglio isn't Pope then they are heretics dealing with the devil.

The SPPV is probably closest; their mass is slightly tainted with the wickedness of the Freemason Bugnini but you could argue Bugnini didn't change the wording of the mass itself, just the music. Besides, they find it credible that Pope Pius XII (a weak Pope but the last true Pope) didn't mean to change the mass and Bugnini changed it on his own and faked the Pope's approval. I'm not sure how the SSPV comes down on the False Rules; e.g. saying that Saint Thomas Aquinas defines the faith and not the Magisterium of the Church. They are different. Saint Aquinas is not infallible. Saint Aquinas uses logic based on premises that are his assumptions because no human mind can understand the Trinity or the entirety of God creation. And as logic, his teachings are open to logical questioning of premises and soundness. Many times he simply makes a non-sequitur.

The Sanbornist have no charity and are fully into a kind of Baptist Hellfire and Damnation perversion of the faith. For example, They claim that not saying enough prayers every day is a mortal sin; no where is that declared a mortal sin by the Chair of Saint Peter. They made that up! What's worse is that they will refuse the sacPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

https://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/motu_proprio/documents/20210716-motu-proprio-traditionis-custodes.html

Seems "Pope" Francis is trying to destroy the true Latin mass. Well, not true, as they purges the prayer for the wicked Jews from the mass in 1962 and added Saint Joseph to the prayers (which they did just to show that they could change the mass) and thus brought damnation upon themselves.

Freemason infiltrators like Bergoglio will, eventually, rub out any remnant of the Catholic Faith. The True faith teaches us that anyone what so ever changes as much as one word of the Roman Rite they are an anathema; outside the church, cursed by God Almighty, and you're not to associate with them.

That's why I left the FSSP; they associate with the Pope and will not renounce the false belief that the Novus Ordo "mass" is valid. It is not. It brings a curse upon you.

Same can be said about the SSPX under it's current leadership. The SSPX wants to be in communion with the anti-pope.

I think the only Hope and last remnant of the church lies in the SSPV. I heard Father Jenkins say something that intrigued me.

Reminder that personal revelations, e.g. Fatima, "Immaculate Heart" etc are worthy of belief but not part of the faith that must be believed. Too much of these personal revelations have replaced the teachings of the Magisterium of the Church. We are suffering this calamity of the Church because we lost too much of the faith. We have to repent and get back to the true beliefs brought to us by the Holy Ghost through the Magisterium and so without fear of offending the wicked of this era or persecution of the state via taxation of churches and other persecutions.

It's not just saying the Latin mass properly. The N.O. mass is just the most outrageous sign of heresy.

There's the rest of the faith as well e.g. the FSSP are forced to say that the N.O. is a valid mass when it is clearly heresy. They've compromised the faith, and I suspect it is so they can use churches in the N.O. bishop's control.

Many Catholic priests became martyrs rather than bend the knee to the wicked King Henry VIII and become sin loving Anglicans. I know of just one FSSP priest who refused the false N.O. under Bergoglio.

Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus

There is no salvation outside the Church.

This is straight from the Vicar of Christ, guided by the Holy Ghost, the Paraclete, God.

Baptism of Desire is a FALSE Doctrine

John 1:5 5 Jesus answered:Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

The council of Trent, Seventh Session, Cannon II on Baptism:

CANON II. -If any one saith, that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and, on that account, wrests, to some sort of metaphor, those words of our Lord Jesus Christ; Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost; let him be anathema.

Baptism must have water. Ergo, Baptism of Blood and Baptism of Desire are false doctrines. The sacrament requires the substance, which is water, and the words.

So much of "Church teaching" is false and not of the Church. Even a Saint cannot contradict or change the infallible and indefectable teachings of the Magistrum of the Holy Mother church. We've forgotten what offends modern sensibilities and we have fabricated false teachings.

There is but one Litany, the Litany of the Holy Ghost.