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ab406c  No.33 [Open thread]

I'm still contemplating the Rules for this board.

After looking at the sewage that has become the board/christian/ I think it best to delete the obvious troll posters (e.g. "The Book of Chad" and ) and those post made by Protestants who come here to spread falsehoods and rail against the Church.

I need to research if we are even allowed to try and convert Heretics, Jews and pagans. The council of Basel says we need the bishop's permission to do so, and allowing them to even ask questions may be disobedience to the Magisterium and against our faith.

I am more interested in the conversion of the low hanging fruit - other Catholics, to traditional Catholicism.

Why here?"

Why here, of all places? Because the Catholic Faith will be censored and banned just about anywhere else.

1) Sodomy is a mortal sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance.

2) Marriage is between one man and one woman and is for your entire life, no divorce!

3) Sex is God's power of Creation and for the purpose of raising children only. No contraception, no sterilization, no voluptuousness.

4) Association with Jews is forbidden.

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e5e58e  No.35 [Open thread]

From the posts in other boards, I thought that maybe real Catholics would like a board of their own. Why? Because posting in Christian is against the Catholic religion if you're not going to (a) defend the faith and (b) be there just to convert the protestants and save their souls.

The problem with protestants is that their arguments are not rational, deny most of the Teachings of Christ, and they argue in bad faith. Using logic on them is a waste of time. They are lost souls.

But, most Catholics are lost souls too. Very few will ever see heaven.

What I really wanted to discuss with real Catholics is how to bring back the lost sheep to the Catholic faith.

Say someone was baptized and the baptism is recognized as valid. After all, even a pagan can baptize you as long as he has the correct intent and does the sacrament properly. The baptized grows up outside the faith, lives like a pagan, then realizes (say by personal revelation) that the Catholic faith is the truth faith. So, he wants to join the Church.

But he's got impediments: Maybe a wife who's not catholic and not interested in being Catholic, or a child who's older and refused to be taught the catholic faith. These mortal sins are on going, and the person returning can't really resolve them. Sure, he can put out his civil marriage "wife", but his child? The Convert is outside the church until he can raise his older child catholic.

Here's the sad part: you find in the papal encyclicals where even a Pagan who has these conditions can be baptized and receive the sacrament of communion. Not the prodigal son of the Church! He must make a general confession, put out his "wife" and convert his children.

If you stop and think about it, the Church was not made to be in this position. It was made to be the prevalent religion that was always there. The Church was effectively gone for half a century. Its easier for a pagan than anyone baptized Christian.

In other news, my repeated prayers for my daughter to overcome her mental illness have been answered! She's doing much better and closer to living up to her potential! Praise be to God and the Blessed Mother who prayed for me! I am so thankful.

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bc97cb  No.74

>>35

I disagree with you pretty much 100% I don't think very few also posting on the /Christian/ board is not against the catholic religion so what gave you that idea a majority of your post is total BS you can not be baptized by a pagan probably very few souls will see hell in general but that's just my opinion

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331b3f  No.75

Even a pagan can do the sacrament of baptism if his intent is to do the sacrament. The remote matter is natural water. The words are "I baptize this in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost". Council of Constance and many other Councils say that the person giving the baptism need not even be Catholic. That is the teaching of the Popes.

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f39749  No.73 [Open thread]

Protestants see what so called "Catholics" do and what the see turns them away from the Church.

The Catholic faith is found in the dogmas of the church. The faith has been perverted by personal revelations e.g. "Fatima" (the Mother of Christ would never thwart the will of God. That's heresy), and Mary Worship (if you pray to Mary for victory over Satan, you're worshiping Mary. The prayer goes "pray (to God) for us sinners now". The whole brown scapular cult is goes beyond heresy into blasphemy; Salvation comes from God, not Mary.

After reading wildly conflicting catechisms, I went to the source, the Dogma you are to believe. This book has most of it, tho' due to the protests of the Christ killers, the Council of Basel is omitted with a comical "the decrees of …. contain nothing new". Yet, the book contains many other times when the same teaching was repeated by the Popes again and again.

The Catechism of Thomas Aquinas is false.

The Examination of Conscience for Adults by Father Miller, which declares every temptation to be a mortal sin, has no basis in Catholic dogma.

Catholic Dogma is that mortal sins are the sins calling for a penalty of Death in the Law of Moses. God is infallible and indefectable; the law didn't change with the Word of God (Christ). What was a mortal sin before is a mortal sin NOW.

I'm a bit repulsed at the deceptions about the teachings of Christ by the Church. They drive people away from Christ with their deceit.

There are two possible reasons for claiming temptation is a mortal sin; virtue signaling and getting people to go to mass so they'll make a collect. Both are have been denounced by Jesus Christ, the very Word of God. None of these sins are founded in the teachings of the Vicar of Christ; they are a "new gospel" and are thus professed by heretics and anthemas.

Therefore I ask, where is the Church promised by Christ God? It is certainly not the FSSP, who for the sake of the use of a few churches, some quite heretical, say the forbidden words of the council of Trent: that the novus ordo mass is valid and that the Holy Eucharist may be taken in the hand, they are anPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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196464  No.68 [Open thread]

The FSSP did it, they became an anathema by saying that the Novus Ordo sacrilege is a valid mass, that the Mass need not be per Pope Leo and are thus under a curse, that the Roman Rite need not be in Latin (anathema per the council of Trent) and that the Holy Eucharist can be taken in the hand. In exchange they get to use Churches that have fallen into the wicked hands of the Novus Ordo. They sold their souls for some church doors!

Think this is nothing? Saint Peter was martyred because he refused to say that the Roman Emperor was a god!

It's basically about money - church property. It's just a pile of bricks.

The Sanbornist are holding mass in people's garages! That's the spirit!

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196464  No.69

If you read a good catechism is says nothing about many of the things that Protestants say is true about Catholicism. Mary Worship is forbidden - only God may be worshiped. Faith and Morals comes only from the chair of Saint Peter. Only the sacraments of Baptism, Penance and Extreme Unction can forgive sins in the name of God.

Then you go into the Church, and it's "Our Lady of This" and "Our Lady of That", and they corrupt the teachings of the church. Yes, you can go to confession and do the sacrement of penance, but you can also just go to church nine times on the first Saturday/Friday of the month and be absolved of all sin forever by wearing this brown scrap of cloth. Rubbish! And the Protestants are right to call it paganism! The faith is only the 3 sacraments can forgive sin in the sight of God, that the Holy Ghost only works through the Chair of Saint peter to teach us faith and morals, not the Blessed Virgin!

=The Church was lost for hundreds of years before the wickedness of Vatican II.=

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0b11cd  No.72

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Alhamdulillah

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101690  No.70 [Open thread]

I was just reflecting…

The Talmud is to the Torah what the Summa is to Catholic Dogma. Both the Talmud and the Summa changed the religion for the worse. They virtue signaled their fake holiness by making everything a damnable offense.

Saint Aquinas used logic (often very bad logic) in forming the summa, just as rabbis used very bad scholarship in writing the Talmud. Both changed the underlying religion of God for the worse.

Example: while Christ summarized salvation as love of God and love of your fellow man, Aquinas invented sins against yourself. A new gospel of Saint Aquinas.

Example: the Sanhedrin while lying about Christ to Pontius Pilate, breaking the commandments of the Law of Moses not to murder and not to bear false witness, were careful not to set foot in the building where Pilate was, least they commit a sin.

I see no flaw in the true Catholic dogma, the problem is there are no Catholics

So, how to obtain the sacraments? Doesn't seem possible.

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2ce9d4  No.40 [Open thread]

The novus ordo takes the Holy Eucharist in the hand, says the mass in Latin, and claims that there are other Churches of Christ other than the Catholic Church. They're an anathema per the council of Trent. To be sure, that's not something you inhale with if you has Asthma, an anthema is cursed, damned and sent to hell by Almighty God, and outside the Church.

The FSSP and now the SSPX are in communion or trying to be in communion with these false beliefs: they, too, are thus an anthema.

The SSPV and the other branch with the original mass of Trent don't keep these beliefs. But the other two say that they're not priests and bishops because they've been excommunicated.

Well, then maybe we were not worthy of the promises of Christ and there is no Church.

I don't see a path to heaven at this point. Those under Bishop Sanborn seem to have the correct faith, but under the correct faith you'd be better to be an unbaptised pagan than anyone who was properly baptized. Pagans were allowed to keep their pagan spouses. It was also a time when fathers ruled the house and could command their children to be catechized - not effective, I know, but the Church never took fault in themselves for failure to convert a kid, but they're more than willing to find fault in a parent.

There is no path to heaven.

I see people at mass looking at their phones and goofing around with the collection basket. What is this! As I'm contemplating Father's homily on the Body of Christ and the Holy Eucharist, he looks me straight in the eye and says people need to pay attention! I am paying attention! I'm lamenting that he's holding my sins and I can't take the Holy Eucharist.

I'm tired of this. I'm tired of the FSSP/SSPX making irrational, false arguments because they really want access to the Church buildings controlled by the Vatican. I'm tired of priests who think that Saint Aquinas has the keys to heaven, not Saint Peter. Saint Aquinas found everything to be a mortal sin. Nobody seems to have the actual faith.

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2ce9d4  No.44

They're not above taking a book e.g. the 1958 2nd edition of Father Cogan's Catechism, which bears an imprimatur from 1958, and then "updating" it to fit the Novus Ordo religion e.g. "New material Copyright 1993 by Tan Books".

I didn't realize it was corrupted until I started watching Father Jenkin's Catechism series, where he mentions and corrects it.

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2ce9d4  No.50

The Catholic faith is found in the public revelations revealed by the Holy Ghost to the Magisterium of the Church and not so much in private revelations, which the church as said are "worthy of belief" but not a required belief. You don't have to believe in Fatima, for example. To me, it is suspicious; too much talk about the consecration of Russia and it addresses the great apostasy that was planned by the Freemason infiltrators that Pope Pius X already knew about.

There are folks out there, even priest like the late Father Grunier of the Fatima Foundation, who believed that wearing the brown scapular would save the person who wore it from hell. No, the only way to heaven is the sacrament of penance. The present crisis in the Church is because, like the Jews at the time of Christ who lost the Torah for the Talmud, we've lost the Magisterium for personal revelations.

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2ce9d4  No.53

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I wasn't raised Catholic. I was raised to believe that the Catholic faith was the one true faith, but that it had fallen; that the Gates of Hell had prevailed against the Church because the faithful had lost the faith. I remember hearing that they were still saying the Tridentine mass in France under some ex-communicated Bishop but that meant that he wasn't a bishop anymore at all.

So when I heard that the Tridentine mass was still being said I had to investigate. But I spent decades not living as a Catholic, and my life was pretty messed up with things that a protestant wouldn't call a sin at all but were unacceptable to the Holy Mother Church as taught before Vatican II e.g. marrying outside the Church, as if Novus Ordo women were inside the Church, I guess.

Similar to Groucho, I didn't want to belong to any religion that would have me as a member.* I was surprised when the FSSP priest forgave my sins. When Father Stinson removed a priest for condemning Bergoglio's sacrilege of bringing a pagan idol before the very alter of Saint Peter (That kind of wickedness is why the Temple of Solomon was destroyed!!), I knew something was wrong; this wasn't right. The FSSP was pushing a false religion.

Looking around I was fortunate enough to find a true Catholic religion as it was under Pope Pius XII. Yes, they wouldn't have me because of my marriage and my children not being raised catholic. All I have to do is end my marriage and convert my children. Converting my children will be impossible.

I see people in the pews who must be in the same situation. How are they members of the church? Not all of them could have converted back to the true faith and converted all their children. Same thing with the line for confession! I see hardly anyone in line for confession even after Father gives one of those "Just about everything is a mortal sin" homilies the Sunday before. Then I had an epiphany; they were not being honest! Like many Jews at the time of Christ, it was all going through the motions and not living the faith.

Sure, Father's wrong because Saint Aquinas confused allowing one's self to be exposed to temptation as a mortal sin. Reading a bad book is not a mortal sin! Pope Saint Pius X said that bad books should be avoided, but reading them is not a sin. If they cPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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2ce9d4  No.54

Another Sunday and another homily on how we're all damned. He's one of those who say everything is a mortal sin. He thinks it is enough just to say we're damned, and not tell us how to stop what he says is mortal sin.

He said we don't listen to him. That's not the case at all! It's not like the Catholic Church has existed since 1964! It didn't. There's only a dozen or so places in the US that offer the correct mass even today! He condemns us as if the faith has been teaching for the last 60 years, and it has not!.

He's not preaching the faith. He's preaching hell and damnation like a baptist minister. He offers no path, gives no guidance and reminds us that his duty as a priest is to tell us we're going to hell.

You know, saying the mass incorrectly is just one sign that a priest is not of the faith. And that's the point, they have to preach the true faith in its entirety, and not some "you're all damned" rubbish born out of his frustration at a tiny parish. Christ himself never preached the Gospel like this!

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2ce9d4  No.67

Going by what Father Jenkins of the SSPV said on his video, I don't think there is a Catholic Church left. No one is keeping the faith as handed down by the True successors of Saint Peter as promised by the Lord Jesus. Father Jenkins was all about Fatima, but we don't need any "Marion revelations" and the faith is given to us by the Popes as guided by the Holy Ghost, not Saint Mary. Jesus did not say he'd send the Paraclete to guide the Pope, or maybe bypass the church all together and send His Mother.

It's odd to me that of all the "Catholic" books out there most are written about this or that belief that is not canon. The closest book like this is "The Sources of Catholic Dogma" by Fr. Denzinger, but the infallible is mixed with the fallible. But there are dozens of books out there about Fatima, and Fatima even if it was worthy of belief is not required to be believed, and I don't believe it.

1) The threat of the Godless communist (mostly Jews) was well known at the time.

2) Pope Pius X had already addressed the Modernist/Freemason corruption of the Church

Thus, Fatima told us nothing new.

Further:

1) Saint Mary would never claim to have stayed the will of God. God's will be done!

2) Saying her heart will prevail? No! All things come from God and God alone. God will prevail. Saint Mary would never say this.

Thus, this "apparition" is false.

Then on the 3rd prophesy: we don't know it. Stop gossiping about it as if we do, and it wouldn't matter anyway just keep the true faith as taught by the Magisterium of the Chair of Saint Peter.

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13c51d  No.66 [Open thread]

Some of these crucifixes are rather grand and glorious. That seems wrong to me. The crucifix was an instrument created for slow and painful death as a punishment for serious crime. In thinking of it's supernatural meaning, the conclusion I've reached is that it is the physical symbol of the mortal sins of those who choose to follow Jesus the Anointed One. Christ suffers and sacrificed for the sins of His faithful.

So I don't like the grand and glorious crucifixes, embellished with gold and silver and stones. Our sins are wicked and painful for God, who is perfect and good, to endure.

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5101b1  No.65 [Open thread]

Thinking on your own comes with the Hermit curse.

I see these "Traditional Catholic mass" videos on YouTube. They are not the Tridentine mass, but you'd never know the difference if you didn't have a true, unchanged Tridentine mass missal and didn't speak Latin.

And these "Crisis in the Church" videos. What did they expect to happen when they sell their souls for an unlocked Church door and denied the faith?! It's pretty obvious why the FSSP and the SSPX are calling that pagan man Begoglio a "Pope"; the Pope names the bishops and the bishops hold the keys to the building.

But Saint Peter holds the keys to heaven. I'd rather the true mass and true faith in a barn than a sacrilegious mass and freemason faith in what was Saint Peter's Basilica, before it was defiled by Begoglio and his wicked idols. Now? Saint Peters will suffer the same fate of the Temple of Solomon after Solomon dragged pagan idols into it: destruction.

The Vatican is just some man made buildings, after all. It is a loss but a small one compared to the loss of heaven.

It is damning of what people who call themselves Catholic that you can buy all mannor of books on personal revelations, but no one publishes the Infallible and indefectable teachings from the Chair of Saint Peter, the word of God as guide by God the Holy Ghost to the Vicar of Christ.

It's all "fatima" this and "immaculate heart" that. These are not of God! God promised to work through his vicar. You stopped listening to God's vicar, then you don't get a true Vicar, you get Begoglio.

And the whole faith has been perverted from that held by the Magistarium to that of Thomas Aquinas. Aquinas was never guided by infallibility.

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2139da  No.61 [Open thread]

The teaching of the Magisterium of the Chair of Saint Peter says there are 7 sacraments:

1) Baptism which removes all sins, original and actual.

2) Confirmation

3) Sacrament of the Mass (Holy Eucharist) which removes venial sins through priest's blessing.

4) Marriage

5) Holy Orders

6) Penance which removes confessed sins (actual sins both venial and mortal)

7) Extreme Unction which removes actual sins.

Okay then! To get to heaven, you must not have mortal sins on your soul. The sacraments are necessary to remove them.

Now, along comes "Personal revelations"! When they promise some other non-sacramental way to get around mortal sin and go to heaven without confession, they're Heresy. The Delores rosary is such a heresy; you are not forgiven mortal sin because you pray this rosary. That is of the devil. You have to repent, confess, and do penance.

This kind of falling of the faith, and so many priest promote this heresy, is why the Church was destroyed by the wrath of God. There is no path to heaven except for the one Lord Jesus Christ provided by his sacrifice on the cross. The Keys to Heaven were given to Saint Peter and his legitimate successor who are guided by God the Holy Ghost.

Father called upon us to say this Rosary before mass. It seemed strange to me and was never mentioned in any Catholic Catechism. As we got into the Rosary it quickly seemed an abomination to me: for every one of Christ's sufferings, we are to lament the pain of his poor mother! What?! She did not sweat blood in the Garden of Gethesemane! We should be lamenting the suffering Christ endured for his love of us to save us! No wonder protestants get confused and think Catholics worship Mary; because some heretical Catholics do worship Mary.

For this the Church is being chastised and handed over to Satan.

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2139da  No.62

PROMISES

St. Bridget of Sweden (1303-1373) reported that

Our Lady promised to grant seven graces to those

who honor her and draw near to her and her Son

every day by meditating on her dolors (sorrows):

1. I will grant peace to their families.

2. They will be enlightened about the divine Mysteries.

3. I will console them in their pains and will accompany

them in their work.

4. I will give them as much as they ask for as long as it

does not oppose the adorable will of my divine Son

or the sanctification of their souls.

5. I will defend them in their spiritual battles with the

infernal enemy and I will protect them at every

instant of their lives.

6. I will visibly help them at the moment of their death-

- they will see the face of their mother.

7. I have obtained this grace from my divine Son: that

those who propagate this devotion to my tears and

sorrows will be taken directly from this earthly life to

eternal happiness, since all their sins will be forgiven

and my Son will be their eternal consolation and joy

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2139da  No.63

The popes declare many of these personal revelations as "worthy of belief". You don't have to believe them. The infallible and indefectable instructions from the Popes speaking as Pope from the Office of the Pope on faith and morals (e.g. what is and what is not a mortal sin) must be believed.

Many, such as the 9 first Saturdays and the Brown scapular, have been amended by the Popes to deny that they promise heaven to anyone who wears it. El Chapo's son smugly wearing the brown scapular in his mug shot was a bit over the top for me, as was Father Gruner of the Fatima society saying the brown scapular granted heaven no matter what.

I reject all personal revelations. Fatima, for example, didn't reveal anything we didn't know, and we don't know the 3rd prophesy because the imposter Popes destroyed it and lied about it. Yes, I'm speaking of Wojtyła.

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2139da  No.64

Christ came to earth to reaffirm the law of Moses and to explain it. This was necessary because the religion of God became corrupted with the religion of man. The Sadducees replaced the Law of Moses and the Torah with the Babylonian Talmud.

The same thing has happened to the Catholic Church; constantly corrupted by the wicked like King Henry VIII and Martin Luther, and the death of a thousand cuts of false "personal revelations" you cannot find the Church of God in the religions (I count at least 3 of them) that call themselves "Catholic".

The Catholic faith comes from the Vicars of Christ, not from "personal revelations". Christ promised that the Holy Ghost, the Paraclete, will work though his Vicar Saint Peter (and thus, his successors). If you believe these personal revelations like Sacred Heart etc. you're saying Christ didn't keep his word, which is impossible.

We didn't keep the faith, which is why the Church is in shambles. We are a faithless people.

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89914f  No.58 [Open thread]

The faithful are attracted to the Catholic religion as it is written.

Then they are driven away by heresy. The problem is, no one practices the Catholic religion, the true Church of Christ the Lord, anymore. We are like the jews after Babylon; corrupt and wicked and we pretend to be holy by making false rules.

The Novus Ordo simply ignores the Catholic religion.

The FSSP teaches both the Novus Ordo and the Catholic religion but adds the false rules, and let each in the parish choose what to believe like a protestant. Bergoglio is now demanding that all in the FSSP renounce the Catholic faith and say that the Novus Ordo supper service is a valid mass, and to say it is brings damnation upon you by the decree of the Council of Trent.

The SSPX like their founder Archbishop Lefebvre has lost their courage and defy their very reason for being, saying Bergoglio is Pope. If Bergoglio is Pope then they are excommunicated. If Bergoglio isn't Pope then they are heretics dealing with the devil.

The SPPV is probably closest; their mass is slightly tainted with the wickedness of the Freemason Bugnini but you could argue Bugnini didn't change the wording of the mass itself, just the music. Besides, they find it credible that Pope Pius XII (a weak Pope but the last true Pope) didn't mean to change the mass and Bugnini changed it on his own and faked the Pope's approval. I'm not sure how the SSPV comes down on the False Rules; e.g. saying that Saint Thomas Aquinas defines the faith and not the Magisterium of the Church. They are different. Saint Aquinas is not infallible. Saint Aquinas uses logic based on premises that are his assumptions because no human mind can understand the Trinity or the entirety of God creation. And as logic, his teachings are open to logical questioning of premises and soundness. Many times he simply makes a non-sequitur.

The Sanbornist have no charity and are fully into a kind of Baptist Hellfire and Damnation perversion of the faith. For example, They claim that not saying enough prayers every day is a mortal sin; no where is that declared a mortal sin by the Chair of Saint Peter. They made that up! What's worse is that they will refuse the sacPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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89914f  No.59

Saint Aquinas rightfully points out all the things about us that are not perfect and are offensive to God, and then claims many of these sins are mortal sins. This is heresy.

We are as dogs. Some sins are grave, like killing other dogs or biting the hand of their master, and some, like barking at squirrels are not grave. Just as we don't expect our dogs to be perfect, God does not expect us to be perfect. That's the whole "sacrifice" of the cross! Christ was sacrificed for our sin. The cross is our sins. God allows the repentant into heaven and suffers our imperfections, our sins, but the limits are the mortal sins.

God the Holy Ghost works through the Vicar of Christ, 'and not Saint Aquinas and not even the Vicar of Christ can give the keys he's been entrusted to someone else.

The old rule for new testament mortal sin was that if the Law of Moses called for the death penalty for a violation e.g. murder, adultery, or the sin of Onan (which was sex for pleasure with the specific intent not to create children) then its still a mortal sin. Then the church turned this meaning of grave into something trivial e.g. eating meat on Friday (that is not performing a penance for sin and not a mortal sin itself) or not saying enough prayers every day (not doing a good thing is not a sin, and if you say prayers unwillingly it is vain repetition and not even a good thing) Hard to say why they would do this, one suspects many motives; to signal their false piety, to fill the pews and collection basket on Sunday, for the good intention of using deception to keep the faithful far away from actual mortal sin as possible, but they do it and it is not the faith.

Priest who deny the sacraments to the faithful for trivial sins face damnation

The devil, not the Holy Ghost works in them

They took a sacred vow to teach the faith as brought to us by the Word of God our Lord and not Saint Aquinas or personal revelations.

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89914f  No.60

Personal revelations were a way to sneak in corruption of the true Catholic faith.

First they do it in a way that seems to support the faith. Once they establish that the faith can change, they use it to corrupt the faith and do wickedness. It's been going on for over a hundred years, and Pope Saint Pius X knew and was worried about it.

Things like Fatima, Akita, "Sacred Heart", Brown Scapulars, these are all personal revelations and either are very close to heresy or outright heresy.

I was shocked at the difference between the catechism as taught vs the practices of the "Traditional" church. Things that are not sins in the catechism (e.g. The Catechisms of Saint Robert Bellarmine, Pope Saint Pius X, and Father Cogan) are vastly different than what is practiced. No mention of any personal revelations are made in any of the catechisms, and they follow the Papal Encyclicals of the Popes from Peter to Pius XII. The religion of God has been replaced with the religion and superstitions of man. If you don't need it, and you never need a personal revelation, then you should discard it. The Paraclete sent by Jesus Christ works through the Magisterium, not Mary Mother of God, not Aquinas, no one else. It is the Catholic faith that it lies only with the Chair of Peter.

The Bible is filled with stories of how the Faithful put their own religion above that of God's!

That is why we don't have a Pope. If you don't listen to the Popes, you are punished by not getting a Pope. If you don't practice the faith as given to you by the Paraclete, then you don't get the faith given by God.

Remember how the Sadducees stood outside Fort Antonia because they didn't want to become unclean for the Passover, but then defied the Law of God by bearing false witness to commit murder of Christ Our Lord! We are no better than this, really. We observe the minutia of our own making and ignore the faith given us by the Paraclete though the Chair of Saint Peter.

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1b9396  No.49 [Open thread]

https://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/motu_proprio/documents/20210716-motu-proprio-traditionis-custodes.html

Seems "Pope" Francis is trying to destroy the true Latin mass. Well, not true, as they purges the prayer for the wicked Jews from the mass in 1962 and added Saint Joseph to the prayers (which they did just to show that they could change the mass) and thus brought damnation upon themselves.

Freemason infiltrators like Bergoglio will, eventually, rub out any remnant of the Catholic Faith. The True faith teaches us that anyone what so ever changes as much as one word of the Roman Rite they are an anathema; outside the church, cursed by God Almighty, and you're not to associate with them.

That's why I left the FSSP; they associate with the Pope and will not renounce the false belief that the Novus Ordo "mass" is valid. It is not. It brings a curse upon you.

Same can be said about the SSPX under it's current leadership. The SSPX wants to be in communion with the anti-pope.

I think the only Hope and last remnant of the church lies in the SSPV. I heard Father Jenkins say something that intrigued me.

Reminder that personal revelations, e.g. Fatima, "Immaculate Heart" etc are worthy of belief but not part of the faith that must be believed. Too much of these personal revelations have replaced the teachings of the Magisterium of the Church. We are suffering this calamity of the Church because we lost too much of the faith. We have to repent and get back to the true beliefs brought to us by the Holy Ghost through the Magisterium and so without fear of offending the wicked of this era or persecution of the state via taxation of churches and other persecutions.

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1b9396  No.57

I look at YouTube, and see all the FSSP, SSPX and even some Novus Ordo screaming at the sky because Bergoglio has condemned the Tridentine mass to a slow death and require all Catholics to become cursed by God Almighty by saying that the Novus Ordo mass is valid.

It would be funny if it wasn't so nauseating. Seriously, they're like the Sadducees who obeyed the law of the Talmud and never set one foot into Fort Antonia when they murdered our Lord Jesus Christ with their filthy lies. So much for the 10 Commandments of God Almighty! It falls for some irrational belief that a blasphemous heretic is the Vicar of Christ.

No rational person could believe that a blasphemer who dragged a pagan fertility goddess before the Alter of Saint Peter is the Vicar of Christ. And saying that the Novus Ordo is valid brings the curse of God upon the head of anyone who says it is.

Why? Is it about access to the Churches?

That would be the saddest reason for committing blasphemy. Saint Peter himself died because he refused to admit that the emperor was a god, and these people admit pagan gods and become heretics because wicked bishops hold the keys to the Church doors, and the keys to hell itself!

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94668b  No.51 [Open thread]

It's not just saying the Latin mass properly. The N.O. mass is just the most outrageous sign of heresy.

There's the rest of the faith as well e.g. the FSSP are forced to say that the N.O. is a valid mass when it is clearly heresy. They've compromised the faith, and I suspect it is so they can use churches in the N.O. bishop's control.

Many Catholic priests became martyrs rather than bend the knee to the wicked King Henry VIII and become sin loving Anglicans. I know of just one FSSP priest who refused the false N.O. under Bergoglio.

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94668b  No.52

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I learned a lot about the Catholic faith from reading the Papal Encyclicals, but the hints about where to look were on YouTube.

Some of the YouTube videos, regardless of subject, shamelessly drone on with drivel to get a longer view. Many videos are clickbait style. Some Catholic ones are no different. Always there are comments where people say how great the video is, but never any questions. Seems really odd! Are they afraid to ask a question?

One even compared banning the Tridentine Mass to banning the Rosary. That comparison of the Sacrifice of the Holy Mass to prayer beads was an abomination! If you hold the Rosary higher than the Mass, you're just not Catholic.

A lot of that going on with some Catholic videos. Because of this Bergoglio disaster where he's doing Satan's work and phasing out the Roman Rite for his Freemason abomination he calls a "mass", lots of pseudo "Trad Catholics" YouTube channels are trying to capitalize on it. Oh, whatever shall we do! The Latin Mass is so beautiful!!

Well, yes it is, but that's beside the point. It's a True Mass, and cannot be changed, not even one word of it. Why? To prevent the very God Damned thing that Bergoglio is doing, corrupting the Holy Sacrifice of the mass! Anyway, one of them had a very shameless pitch for money that reminds me of Matthew 21:13. As the protestants like to say, "What would Jesus Do?" I'm sure that actions involving whips and violence are not out of the question here.

And none of these Videos come to the correct conclusion: Begoglio (aka "Pope" Francis) is an anathema. That means Jesus Christ, our Lord and Our God, has cursed him, making him outside the Church. The faithful are to shun him, not listen to him. No way in heaven, earth or hell is Bergoglio a Pope. To do as Bergoglio says is to become a heretic and anathema yourself. And that is what the FSSP is being asked to do!

Which is ironic, because they're running videos of the English Martyrs as well.

But they need Begoglio's churches, so they will renounce their faith. The SSPX may do the same thing as part of their dealings with the devil. Gotta have nice churches to get the money I guess.

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94668b  No.55

The Papal Encyclicals, which are the infallible gift of God the Holy Ghost, the Paraclete sent by our Lord Jesus Christ who is true God and true Man, are the Catholic faith defined.

No where in the faith defined does it say that eating meat on Friday or not fasting is a mortal sin. If anything, it is a venial sin of disobedience to the Church and falls under the 4th commandment. It is not grave, so not mortal. Yet, some "Catholic Priests" say it is a mortal sin. This is not the faith.

No where does it say that failure to say the Rosary every day is a mortal sin. It says that it is good to pray the Rosary. ''Yet, some "Catholic Priests" say it is a mortal sin of omission. This is not the faith

It says that associating with Jews, heretics and pagans is forbidden as a sin of disobedience against the Church. ''Yet, no "Catholic Priests" today will dare say this is a mortal sin. This is a mortal sin of omission on the part of these priests for not teaching the faith!

Personal revelations are not the required faith, the faith that you have to believe to be Christian. Some personal revelations the church says are worthy of belief, but today many pray and give more glory and veneration to Marion apperations than they do to God. I seriously doubt Fatima, for example: I doubt the Blessed Virgin would say pray to her to stop the will of God. That's just wrong first because the Mother of God would never try and stop God's will, and secondly because This is borderline paganism; you pray to Mary the Blessed Virgin for grace, as she is the patron saint of graces. She never issued a "get out of hell free" scapular, wearing a piece of brown cloth will never save you from hell and claiming it will is a moral sin and heresy.

These priests preach a religion that is not Catholic. I can see why the Protestants get confused. The religion as practiced offends the Lord, just like the Protestant religions.

The Bible is full of examples of how when the faithful lost the religion of God, they were cursed until the returned to the faith

And this is where we are now.

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94668b  No.56

The Papal Encyclicals, which are the infallible gift of God the Holy Ghost, the Paraclete sent by our Lord Jesus Christ who is true God and true Man, are the Catholic faith defined.

No where in the faith defined does it say that eating meat on Friday or not fasting is a mortal sin. These are penance for sin, not a sin themselves. If anything, it is a venial sin of disobedience to the Church and falls under the 4th commandment. It is not grave, so not mortal. Yet, some "Catholic Priests" say it is a mortal sin. This is not the faith.

No where does it say that failure to say the Rosary every day is a mortal sin. It says that it is good to pray the Rosary. ''Yet, some "Catholic Priests" say it is a mortal sin of omission. This is not the faith

It says that associating with Jews, heretics and pagans is forbidden as a sin of disobedience against the Church. ''Yet, no "Catholic Priests" today will dare say this is a mortal sin. This is a mortal sin of omission on the part of these priests for not teaching the faith!

Personal revelations are not the required faith, the faith that you have to believe to be Christian. Some personal revelations the church says are worthy of belief, but today many pray and give more glory and veneration to Marion apperations than they do to God. I seriously doubt Fatima, for example: I doubt the Blessed Virgin would say pray to her to stop the will of God. That's just wrong first because the Mother of God would never try and stop God's will, and secondly because This is borderline paganism; you pray to Mary the Blessed Virgin for grace, as she is the patron saint of graces. She never issued a "get out of hell free" scapular, wearing a piece of brown cloth will never save you from hell and claiming it will is a moral sin and heresy.

These priests preach a religion that is not Catholic. I can see why the Protestants get confused. The religion as practiced offends the Lord, just like the Protestant religions.

The Bible is full of examples of how when the faithful lost the religion of God, they were cursed until the returned to the faith

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9aa920  No.45 [Open thread]

Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus

There is no salvation outside the Church.

This is straight from the Vicar of Christ, guided by the Holy Ghost, the Paraclete, God.

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9aa920  No.47

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9aa920  No.48

There is no salvation outside the church… and it appears there is very little in it.

The actual faith is found in the legitimate Magisterium of the Church. There are teachings we ignored, and teachings we corrupted.

That is, Jesus gave the Keys to Heaven to Saint Peter, thus only the Magisterium can define faith and morals.

Not Personal revelations like Fatima, or Our Lady of Mount Carmel

You can't ignore the faith because it offends the Jews

You can't ignore the faith because the government will persecute you or tax the church how many pieces of silver did it take to sell the faith which should be most precious to us?

We are like the Jews who turned from the Torah and the excellent Law of Moses to the Babylonian Talmud, then we wonder why we get a false Pope who is trying to destroy the faith. I see more glory given to Mary than to the Triune God. Communion of Saints? Absolutely part of the faith and found in the Book of Job. When you are in mortal sin, Saints can intercede and pray to God for you. But if you spend more time praying and even giving glory to the Blessed Virgin than you do the Father, you're doing it wrong! God himself gave us the Lord Prayer.

If we had remained true to the faith the world wouldn't be as wicked as it is.

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c086c4  No.46 [Open thread]

Baptism of Desire is a FALSE Doctrine

John 1:5 5 Jesus answered:Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

The council of Trent, Seventh Session, Cannon II on Baptism:

CANON II. -If any one saith, that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and, on that account, wrests, to some sort of metaphor, those words of our Lord Jesus Christ; Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost; let him be anathema.

Baptism must have water. Ergo, Baptism of Blood and Baptism of Desire are false doctrines. The sacrament requires the substance, which is water, and the words.

So much of "Church teaching" is false and not of the Church. Even a Saint cannot contradict or change the infallible and indefectable teachings of the Magistrum of the Holy Mother church. We've forgotten what offends modern sensibilities and we have fabricated false teachings.

There is but one Litany, the Litany of the Holy Ghost.

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50cf6c  No.4 [Open thread]

I was reading different catechisms and became confused as they often differed in matters of fact. So, what is the official dogma of the Catholic Church?

You'll find that in Father Denzinger's "Sources of Catholic Dogma".

This book has a Systematic Index in the back which gives the Church teaching with a cite to the source. The bulk of the book is Papal approved Church councils and Papal bulls which is the Dogma. This is most of what Catholic must believe.

I say most because it omits the Council of Basel, which was last part of the Council of Florence.

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50cf6c  No.15

I was reading in "Sources of Catholic Dogma" about the Pope in the Systematic index.

Popes can be evil. Several times true Popes have said that it is an error to say that an evil Pope isn't Pope because he's evil. And there were five Popes who did wicked things: A Pope who kept a bunch of nuns as his sexual harem comes to mind.

The only sure "false Pope" is one that buys his way into the papacy, or one where the college of Cardinals is force to appoint a false Pope, which may have happened with Pope Francis.

I guess that's why even the SSPV is not officially sedes.

How these infallible teachings are logically reconciled with church teaching that those who say that the Mass can be said in the local vernacular are an anathema, and that those who say that the Holy Eucharist can be taken in the hand are an anathema, or that heretics are not Catholic, is beyond my understanding.

Perhaps it is because the set of evil, while it includes heretics is more inclusive. All the Papal encyclicals and bulls about evil popes are in decrees of error; e.g. and to paraphrase, "It is an error to say 'an evil Pope is no longer Pope'"

Is he evil if he is a sodomite or keeps nuns in sexual bondage and still Pope, but outside the Church if he is a heretic and thus not eligible to be Pope?

I don't know and way above my pay grade.

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50cf6c  No.16

So I was reading about the Blessed Virgin yesterday in SCD (Sources of Catholic Dogma) Systematic Index.

Pretty sure that settled it, as she was born without original sin, she didn't die just as Adam and Eve didn't suffer death until they committed the original sin, but was taken body and soul together into heaven. She is the Saint that gives us the graces to resist sin, as she never committed any actual sin.

I was also thinking that this book contains (most of) the Catholic faith, what you have to believe to be Catholic. Which left me to contemplate all the "Catholic" lower case t traditions that aren't in there.

Having grown up in California I saw some things done by Mexican Catholics that seemed entirely strange to my understanding of the faith. Now that I reflect on this book, we Europeans have some equally strange beliefs, as do the Eastern Rite Catholics. SCD is an effort to define the core beliefs that the Holy Mother Church teaches to us all.

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50cf6c  No.36

The English edition of "Sources" is a translation of the French, so the papal bulls and encyclicals are an English translation of the French translation of the Latin originals.

Which makes them confusing and befuddled at parts, e.g. the translation of the First Vatican Council.

Also, it's pretty clear that some Catholic teaches were omitted as having no content of faith and morality when they clearly did - they just offend modern ideas of morality e.g. the Council of Florence/Basel.

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50cf6c  No.39

You have to go to the source

You have to remember Jesus gave the Keys to Heaven, which is the power to say what sins are held and what are not, and what you have to believe to be part of the Body of Christ, to Saint Peter. Only Saint Peter can define what faith and morals. "Peter" was the first papal name, given to Simon.

And when you go to the Ex Cathedra from the Chair of Saint Peter, the infallible and indefectable teachings of the Church, the sins are listed. Avoiding sin and the 9 ways to avoid taking part in someone else's sin, seems quite do-able.

Others catechisms include avoidable occasions of sin, both proximate and remote as sins. I'm looking at you Saint Thomas Aquinas. For example, Saint Aquinas says even a mere thought of sex is a mortal sin and that it is even possible to commit sin against no one but yourself! And Saints who are doctors of the Church are right, right? Not always! The Church teaches that Saints like Saint Aquinas are right unless the Pope says something else.

I'll see you a saint, and raise you a Pope

Saint Bellarmine's catechism says that a sin is against someone else; either GOD (first three commandments) or another person (the remaining commandments). Pope Saint Pius X echoes this and says that occasions of sin should be avoided. I think there is also a difference in how they describe an impure thought: e.g. King David plotting to kill Uriah so he could have sex with Bathsheba is an impure Thought. As the Lord said, "He that looks at a woman to lust after her commits adultery". IIRC, (debate me) Pope Saint Pius X also said that the kings who wanted to marry Sarah committed no sin because they didn't know she was Abraham's wife. Thus, wanting to have sex and raise kids with a woman is not, in and of itself a sin if you have good reason e.g. Abraham's lie, to believe she is not married. Saint Thomas Aquinas leaves me wondering how do people even get married since he seems to forbid thinking about it. I think I understand it now.

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