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I want my Church back Anonymous 08/21/21 (Sat) 14:46:45 89914f No.58

The faithful are attracted to the Catholic religion as it is written.

Then they are driven away by heresy. The problem is, no one practices the Catholic religion, the true Church of Christ the Lord, anymore. We are like the jews after Babylon; corrupt and wicked and we pretend to be holy by making false rules.

The Novus Ordo simply ignores the Catholic religion.

The FSSP teaches both the Novus Ordo and the Catholic religion but adds the false rules, and let each in the parish choose what to believe like a protestant. Bergoglio is now demanding that all in the FSSP renounce the Catholic faith and say that the Novus Ordo supper service is a valid mass, and to say it is brings damnation upon you by the decree of the Council of Trent.

The SSPX like their founder Archbishop Lefebvre has lost their courage and defy their very reason for being, saying Bergoglio is Pope. If Bergoglio is Pope then they are excommunicated. If Bergoglio isn't Pope then they are heretics dealing with the devil.

The SPPV is probably closest; their mass is slightly tainted with the wickedness of the Freemason Bugnini but you could argue Bugnini didn't change the wording of the mass itself, just the music. Besides, they find it credible that Pope Pius XII (a weak Pope but the last true Pope) didn't mean to change the mass and Bugnini changed it on his own and faked the Pope's approval. I'm not sure how the SSPV comes down on the False Rules; e.g. saying that Saint Thomas Aquinas defines the faith and not the Magisterium of the Church. They are different. Saint Aquinas is not infallible. Saint Aquinas uses logic based on premises that are his assumptions because no human mind can understand the Trinity or the entirety of God creation. And as logic, his teachings are open to logical questioning of premises and soundness. Many times he simply makes a non-sequitur.

The Sanbornist have no charity and are fully into a kind of Baptist Hellfire and Damnation perversion of the faith. For example, They claim that not saying enough prayers every day is a mortal sin; no where is that declared a mortal sin by the Chair of Saint Peter. They made that up! What's worse is that they will refuse the sacraments if you keep confessing the same sin. I heard Sanborn preach this heresy himself! He denies the word of Christ for the sake of his own apparent piety, which was the root of wickedness of the Sadducees. After watching the antics going on in a Sanbornist mass where they were playing games with the collection baskets I wonder; no one can live up to Sanborn's claims that everything is a mortal sin (even working a day job without dedicating it to God is a mortal sin) can these people be serious? They can't take mass seriously! Do I think they make honest confessions since the confession line is so short? One or two a week?

I don't know where the Church is

Beliefs like the "brown Scapular" or Fatima are flat out heresy. The Mother of God would never come to earth and tell you by wearing a scrap of cloth, she will save you from hell. No way! That is against the teachings of the church and is heresy! Even Paganism! No way would the Mother of God come to earth and say that she has stayed the God's Justice from the hand of God! No way! That doesn't even make sense: she is Mother to God Jesus Christ the Lord, not to the God the Father Almighty, not to God the Holy Ghost. Nor can the faithful be chastised because some Pope didn't consecrate a bunch of godless murderous Marxist to God. Makes no sense. And the "Third Prophesy"; no one knows for sure what that is. The false Popes have destroyed it. People are guessing what it is. And like the merchants in the temple, a Fatima industry has been created to preach the religion of Fatima with the goal of making money.

Too often the Church has allowed personal revelations to replace the teachings of the Magisterium. The Lord God Jesus Christ gave the keys to heaven to Saint Peter when his church was established, not to Saint Thomas Aquinas, and not to his mother!'

Saint Aquinas teaches on faith in his catechism, and Saint Pope Pius X teaches another faith in the Catechism of the Church. The faith says with infallibility and indefectability that where the Magisterium and a saint differ, the saint is wrong. Too much of the faith is being taught by saint's and their personal beliefs; e.g. only a tiny few go to heaven. They can't know that, or if they do, it is not part of the faith and cannot be taught as if it was.

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The Errors of Saint Aquinas Anonymous 08/21/21 (Sat) 15:35:12 89914f No.59

Saint Aquinas rightfully points out all the things about us that are not perfect and are offensive to God, and then claims many of these sins are mortal sins. This is heresy.

We are as dogs. Some sins are grave, like killing other dogs or biting the hand of their master, and some, like barking at squirrels are not grave. Just as we don't expect our dogs to be perfect, God does not expect us to be perfect. That's the whole "sacrifice" of the cross! Christ was sacrificed for our sin. The cross is our sins. God allows the repentant into heaven and suffers our imperfections, our sins, but the limits are the mortal sins.

God the Holy Ghost works through the Vicar of Christ, 'and not Saint Aquinas and not even the Vicar of Christ can give the keys he's been entrusted to someone else.

The old rule for new testament mortal sin was that if the Law of Moses called for the death penalty for a violation e.g. murder, adultery, or the sin of Onan (which was sex for pleasure with the specific intent not to create children) then its still a mortal sin. Then the church turned this meaning of grave into something trivial e.g. eating meat on Friday (that is not performing a penance for sin and not a mortal sin itself) or not saying enough prayers every day (not doing a good thing is not a sin, and if you say prayers unwillingly it is vain repetition and not even a good thing) Hard to say why they would do this, one suspects many motives; to signal their false piety, to fill the pews and collection basket on Sunday, for the good intention of using deception to keep the faithful far away from actual mortal sin as possible, but they do it and it is not the faith.

Priest who deny the sacraments to the faithful for trivial sins face damnation

The devil, not the Holy Ghost works in them

They took a sacred vow to teach the faith as brought to us by the Word of God our Lord and not Saint Aquinas or personal revelations.

Personal revelations are like being told the right answer to a math problem. Knowing the right answer does not excuse you from not doing the math! So it is with the faith: we find the faith in the teachings of the Magisterium. A personal revelation may make it easier for us to find the teachings but it is never a substitute for the teaching! And if a personal revelation tells us something against the faith, like wearing a brown piece of cloth will save us from Hell it is false. If a personal revelation tells us that the Mother of Christ can stay the just and wise wrath of God the Father Almighty, it is false.

You don't need personal revelations. You need the true faith unadorned with personal revelations, hyperbole, and false piety.

There was a litany, I think it was the 7 sufferings of the Blessed Mother, where each time Jesus our Lord endured suffering we would focus on the suffering of the Blessed Mother. I couldn't say it! How could I say this and not say a litany about the suffering of the Lord Our God Himself! It was next to blasphemous. We focus on the Mass, the sacrifice of our Lord and our God, not on the sufferings of His mother because of his sacrifice. It's misplaced. Maybe these priests make sins out of trivial matters to keep us from sin, and but then lead the flock to the cliff of Mary worship! That's heresy if not blasphemy! Why would they do this? Again, the distortions ofpersonal revelations. I suspect most priests don't know what they're really doing. The only litany that is of the faith is the Litany to the Holy Ghost'. No other litany is of the faith.

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Anonymous 09/07/21 (Tue) 01:54:28 89914f No.60

Personal revelations were a way to sneak in corruption of the true Catholic faith.

First they do it in a way that seems to support the faith. Once they establish that the faith can change, they use it to corrupt the faith and do wickedness. It's been going on for over a hundred years, and Pope Saint Pius X knew and was worried about it.

Things like Fatima, Akita, "Sacred Heart", Brown Scapulars, these are all personal revelations and either are very close to heresy or outright heresy.

I was shocked at the difference between the catechism as taught vs the practices of the "Traditional" church. Things that are not sins in the catechism (e.g. The Catechisms of Saint Robert Bellarmine, Pope Saint Pius X, and Father Cogan) are vastly different than what is practiced. No mention of any personal revelations are made in any of the catechisms, and they follow the Papal Encyclicals of the Popes from Peter to Pius XII. The religion of God has been replaced with the religion and superstitions of man. If you don't need it, and you never need a personal revelation, then you should discard it. The Paraclete sent by Jesus Christ works through the Magisterium, not Mary Mother of God, not Aquinas, no one else. It is the Catholic faith that it lies only with the Chair of Peter.

The Bible is filled with stories of how the Faithful put their own religion above that of God's!

That is why we don't have a Pope. If you don't listen to the Popes, you are punished by not getting a Pope. If you don't practice the faith as given to you by the Paraclete, then you don't get the faith given by God.

Remember how the Sadducees stood outside Fort Antonia because they didn't want to become unclean for the Passover, but then defied the Law of God by bearing false witness to commit murder of Christ Our Lord! We are no better than this, really. We observe the minutia of our own making and ignore the faith given us by the Paraclete though the Chair of Saint Peter.

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