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File: a548536f5279e6b⋯.png (154.6 KB,500x500,1:1,FSSP_Rosary_Fraternity_Pub….png)

4290b2 No.2 [Open thread]

I admit my aesthetic sense is not very good, but I like the idea of this rosary.

The Hail Mary beads are blue, the color of the Blessed Virgin. But I think it would be better if they were light blue.

The Our Father beads are nearly white. The other color of Our Lady is white and indicates purity.

I like the Saint Benedict cross. It reminds us of the sacrifice. While I get the artistic intent of other crosses, this reminds us of the sacrifice of our Lord.

The center has a depiction of the Blessed Virgin on one side, and the three tears and keys of Saint Peter which is the crest of the FSSP, on the reverse. The Rosary is Our Lady's so it is good that the center is about the Blessed virgin. What is your idea of a good rosary?

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4290b2 No.38

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I go to mass early to get a good pew in the back where I belong and to pray the rosary.

We pray the Apostle's creed to remind us of the basics of our faith.

We pray the Our Father to give glory to God, to submit to God's will on Earth and Heaven, to ask for what we need to live on Earth and more importantly for our supernatural needs, we ask for forgiveness of our sins and promise to forgive those who sin against us, and we pray that we are not tempted and to be delivered from evil.

In the Hail Mary we ask the blessed Virgin, who is the patron saint of graces, to pray for us.

In the Glory Be we give glory to our Triune God and praise that his will be done in Heaven and on Earth.

In the Hail Holy Queen we ask for the Blessed Virgin to pray for mercy for us, and to give us the graces to be worthy of the promises of Christ.

Yes, I leave out the Fatima prayer. First of all, Fatima is a personal revelation that the Church said was worthy of belief. However, as the Church was infiltrated and corrupted the mass, they also corrupted the Fatima personal revelation, with Pope John-Paul II going so far as to replace Sister Lucy with an imposter. That is deceit that I can't abide by. So, we don't know what the 3rd prophesy is, nor is it essential to our faith. And I don't agree with the part "Lead all souls to heaven", only "Lead all who will follow the LORD to heaven".

The original Rosary was 15 decades and the Psalms were recited. It was made easier (and shorter to 5 decades) so people would pray it. Lately, the rosary prayers have been given a whole lot of "add ons" that make it less likely that it will be prayed; prayers before, prayers after, prayers inserted.

Best to keep it simple and to listen to your own prayers. If you don't listen to your prayers, why would God or the Saints?

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849bfd No.37 [Open thread]

The Mass was Changed in September 1958

https://www.ccwatershed.org/pdfs/7605-de-musica-sacra-et-sacra-liturgia/download/

Pope Pius XII died a month later.

Cardinal Bugnini was most likely a Freemason or worse. He would later gloat the the changes he made to the eternal Mass of the Council of Trent was the bridge to the heretical Novus Ordo mass.

I'm not sure I believe that Pope Pius XII approved this mass or could approve it, given the proximity of his death.

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24196e No.34 [Open thread]

To be Catholic, you have to believe in the Catholic faith. Saying that God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, the Three Divine Persons of the Triune God, is not God at all is high Heresy and not even Christian, much less Catholic

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cf1fed No.28 [Open thread]

This is a video by the late Rev. Anthony Cekada, a Sedevacantist, making his argument against Pope Francis being a true pope.

I was having problems reconciling the Sede position with Vatican ONE.

Seems that a clear heresy, like dragging that filthy Pachamama idol before the alter of God like Bergoglio did, doesn't require a "trial"; Vatican 1 is based on the fact that such a public heretic is excommunicated and removed from the Papacy by God.

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cf1fed No.29

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When Vatican I discussed the infalibility of the Pope, the question of what happens if the Pope is a heretic.

This is the answer and the basis for the doctrine of Papal infallibility. The church is indefectable and infallible, thus not even a Pope can defy Church dogma.

Popes can be wicked and remain Pope (e.g. the 5 bad Popes) but they absolutely cannot be heretics.

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cf1fed No.30

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Wow. This is powerful.

the whole idea that a trial is needed to determine the Heresy of a pope is debunked by the Papal Bull of Pope Paul IV. Any defect from the Catholic faith removes such a Pope from any power or authority.

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cf1fed No.31

Father Cekada makes a reference cannon 151 of the 1917 Code of Cannon law, but it's in Latin.

Canon 151

(1983 CIC249 154)

An office that is vacant by law but that perchance is still held by another illegitimately can be conferred provided that, duly according to the

sacred canons, this possession is declared not to be legitimate and that mention of this declaration is made in the letter of conferral.

My personal comment is that you have to listen to each argument and rebuttal of these theologians and check their sources to see who is right. Each side says the other is in mortal sin (against Sedes: mortal sins of disobedience to a heretical pope and Vatican 1 telling is that those who say the seat is empty are an anathema to the church. Against backing Pope Francis the mortal sin of disobeying church dogma, the actual faith of the Church.)

Following the faith of the church is disobedience to Pope Francis, thus mortal sin.

Following Pope Francis is heresy, thus a mortal sin.

It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Which raises the possibility that we have become a wicked people undeserving of the promises of Christ, thus all damned.

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cf1fed No.32

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Okay, he proves Bergoglio is not Pope here.

A public heretic cannot become Pope. This I knew, but I couldn't point to a heresy Bergoglio committed before becoming Pope. This is in his Bergoglio's book, which he wrote with a Jew.

Done. QED.

God's law.

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4ecd37 No.27 [Open thread]

In this Church Council, the Holy Mother Church instructs the faithful in regard to dealing with Jews, pagans and Heretics (e.g. Protestants). This is an indefectable and infallable teaching of the Church.

[Decree on Jews and neophytes]

The holy general synod of Basel, legitimately assembled in the holy Spirit, representing the universal church, for an everlasting record. This holy synod following in the footsteps of our saviour Jesus Christ, desires in deepest charity that all may acknowledge the truth of the gospel and thereafter abide in it faithfully. By these salutary instructions it desires to provide measures whereby Jews and other infidels may be converted to the orthodox faith and converts may remain steadfastly in it. It therefore decrees that all diocesan bishops should depute persons well trained in scripture, several times a year, in the places where Jews and other infidels live, to preach and expound the truth of the catholic faith in such a way that the infidels who hear it can recognize their errors. They should compel infidels of both sexes who have reached the age of discretion, to attend these sermons under pain both of being excluded from business dealings with the faithful and of other apposite penalties. But the bishops and the preachers should behave towards them with such charity as to gain them for Christ not only by the manifestation of the truth but also by other kindnesses. The synod decrees that Christians of whatever rank or status who in any way impede the attendance of Jews at these sermons, or who forbid it, automatically incur the stigma of being supporters of unbelief.

Since this preaching will be more fruitful in proportion to the linguistic skill of the preachers, we decree that there must be faithful observance of the constitution of the council of Vienne, which ordered the provision in certain universities of teachers of the Hebrew, Arabic, Greek and Chaldean languages. So that this may be more adhered to, we wish that the rectors of these universities should add to what they swear to on taking office, that they will endeavour to observe the said constitution. It should be clearly laid down, at the councils of the provinces in which these universities are situated, that the teachers oPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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0b8071 No.26 [Open thread]

In this video, Father Altman reminds us that there are few who go to heaven.

Luke 6:36-49

Judging Others

37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38 Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

39 He also told them this parable: “Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into a pit? 40 The student is not above the teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher.

41 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 42 How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

A Tree and Its Fruit

43 “No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. 44 Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. 45 A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.

The Wise and Foolish Builders

46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? 47 As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like. 48 They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. 49 But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is liPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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297cec No.3 [Open thread]

What are you reading for Lent?

You don't have to do any reading for Lent, but this book is very good and on topic. Father Gorman tells us the context of what was known so long ago and are not included in the Gospels. It helps us to remember the Sacrifice of Our Lord.

Has 1959 Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur.

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297cec No.13

The Chapter Christ Returned to Pilate is slanted against Pilate, tho. It fails to consider that Pilate condemned Jesus, who Pilate knew to be innocent and the Sanhedrin were bearing false witness, because if he didn't there would have been an insurrection and thousands of people would have died on both the Jewish and Roman side, and the Emperor would be very angry. Pilate's motive was that Christ would literally suffer and die for them all. And Pilate may not have been questioning Jesus out of fear, but for a clue to convince the Jews not to resort to violence if Jesus was allowed to go free. That is, something to get the Jews to repent of their sins.

Of course, the Jews believe they're meant to rule this world and can treat the rest of humanity as put there for their use and amusement. Which, interestingly enough, is what Satan used to tempt Jesus in the desert. Satan has that power.

What to you think was behind Pilate's decision to crucify Christ? .

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297cec No.14

One of the striking things is that as the Sanhedrin plotted to murder Jesus with by crafting their false witness, a clear disobedience to the the commandments against false witness and murder, they massaged their piety by standing outside the gate of Fort Antonia to tell their wicked lies to Pilate. Why? Because if they stepped inside, they'd be too unclean to eat the Passover meal!

Talk about those with planks in their eyes and splinters of others!

You see a lot of this false piety today. Protestants willingly and deliberately bear false witness about the Catholic faith, and then posture about their piety.

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297cec No.25

>>13

>What to you think was behind Pilate's decision to crucify Christ? .

I shall tell you what I think and you can tell me I'm wrong.

I disagree with Father Gorman that Pilate was weak.

John 19:10-11

10 Pilate therefore saith to him: Speakest thou not to me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and I have power to release thee?

11 Jesus answered:Thou shouldst not have any power against me, unless it were given thee from above. Therefore, he that hath delivered me to thee, hath the greater sin.

God the Father Almighty clearly gave the Lamb of God up for sacrifice for our sins. This was the supernatural act which in this world was the act of Pilate, knowing that Jesus was innocent, gave up Jesus as a sacrifice to avoid a civil war that would see many Jews and Romans killed. This had to happen, and God the Father Almighty gave Pilate this power and worked through him. It had to be a sacrifice for us, simple murder by the wicked Jews was not enough.

Feel free to say I'm wrong and tell me your reasoning.

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fb0423 No.10 [Open thread]

You should learn the Language of the Church. It helps to read the 20 true papal encyclicals that are the indefectable faith of the Catholic Church and to read the Bible - the Latin Vulgate.

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fb0423 No.12

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Forgot the first book in the series and the dictionary

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fb0423 No.23

Another option is the Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata series available from Hackett Publishing.

https://www.hackettpublishing.com/lingua-latina-per-se-illustrata-series

At the time of this post, the CD was replaced with the $39.95/year subscription for the course. You can choose between the classical reading and the Ecclesiastical reading of the text. You want Ecclesiastical reading but you knew that. The book itself will not teach pronunciation and if you want to follow the Mass you need to be able to understand spoken Ecclesiastical Latin.

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fb0423 No.24

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92dc51 No.20 [Open thread]

I came to the same conclusions right up to about 35:30 where they talk about electing a new Pope, having decided that the seat is empty.

Faterh Cekada says that there is no need to judge a heretical Pope, because such a Pope is already judged.

Okay, but that's dogging the question: if you believe there is no Pope, the church is required to hold a conclave and elect a new Pope to fill the seat.

There has been as many as 3 Popes at once for even smaller reasons than denying that there's a Catholic God, who are an anthema for changing the cannon of the mass, who put the Holy Mother Church on the same level as half naked Pagans, who have dragged Pagan idols before the alter of God (which destroys the alter and it must be re-sanctified), for denying that the Holy Mother Church is the One True Faith and that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church, etc.

The Church needs a true pontiff least you get the present crisis where there are all sorts of factions of traditional Catholics trying to deal with the problem.

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92dc51 No.21

Yes, I know that Stephen Heiner needed to wear a microphone (Father's voice booms and Mr. Heiner's voice is faint and echos), that I came to hear Father Cekada's teach, not Mr. Heiner, and Mr. Heiner shouldn't try and interrupt Father and talks over him.

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92dc51 No.22

At about minute 42, the get into Fatima.

Church teaching is clear that such apperations may be worthy of belief, but we're not required to believe them as they are private revelations. They are judged by the Church to be worthy of belief if they don't contradict Catholic dogma.

Regarding Fatima, I have to issues:

1) If it is the will of Jesus Christ to punish the world, then SO BE IT! God's will. Just as Christ accepted the will of the Father over His divine sacrifice on the cross, I accept the will of the Son whatever it may be. If I die, I die.

2) I find it hard to believe that all this hinges on the the failure of the concecration of Russia, which is returning to the Orthodox faith Yeah, many Orthodox are heretical, but the fact of Filioque and the Orthodox heresy of not admitting that the Bible clearly states that the Holy Ghost comes from both the Father and the Son just pales when considering dragging that Pachamama idol before the alter of God and denying that the Catholic Church is the one true faith!

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693466 No.19 [Open thread]

Bishop Sanborn teaches on Fear of God. In his talk, he totally debunks the view that many protestants have (that don't fear the LORD) that they are certain to go to heaven, and he uses scripture to do it.

Protestants can't the truth, which is why the hate and censor Good Catholics.

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9b97f9 No.17 [Open thread]

Luke Ranieri, who is gifted in the ability to speak many languages, discusses some of the differences between "Classical" and Ecclesiastical (Church) Latin.

If you're going to follow the Priest in the Roman missal, it is good to know Ecclesiastical Latin.

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9b97f9 No.18

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Quick run down on Ecclesiastical Latin Pronunciation.

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fc489d No.11 [Open thread]

Just a reminder that Protestants are not able to defend their religion against the truth of the one true church established by Jesus Christ.

There are 2000 different Protestant religions, some that are "almost right" and on the extreme end, those that are straight out of Sodom and Gomorrah.

What they all have in common is a love of sin.

Anglicans wanted to divorce and remarry as well as looting the Church

Martin Luther wanted to marry a nun, allowed bigamy and was funded by German princes and their diabolical bids for power.

Some didn't want to do "good works"

Most wanted to sin without having to confess or repent.

You can't reason with them; like most people, they are swayed by their bias into believing what they want, and what they want is sin. Then they abuse reason to rationalize it - some passage where the Lord says "Go and sin no more" becomes just "Go", a passage that says "not by works alone" becomes "you don't need to do works at all". Their ability to both say "sola scriptura and then deny scripture itself shows a very discombobulated mind. Most of them are not just Christians who don't know about the true faith, they're lost souls clinging to the lies of Satan.

Only the Catholic Church considers the whole Bible, Apostolic tradition and objective fact as sources of revelation and have produced one true faith.

And the fact is, every sin declared by God is forbidden for your own good and well being, as well as for your entry into heaven.

There is no clear path to heaven for protestants, and you can't convert them. Remember, if you could pray for their salvation, the wickedness of Protestantism would have ended 500 years ago. They don't want to be saved, they believe they can love both God and sin.

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09b6fb No.9 [Open thread]

https://youtu.be/7ARlrDG-Wbk <- Father Jenkins

He was a devoted Catholic and leaves behind 7 children.

Pray and contribute if you can to help his family in times of need.

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06e3e5 No.8 [Open thread]

These are the four traditional Catholic orders that I know exist.

This is my best understanding

correct me if I'm wrong

The FSSP(330 Priests) is probably the largest in America in terms of where you can get to for a Latn Mass, as some of their parishes share with the novus ordo. The FSSP is in communion with Rome. The work under a Novus Ordo bishop. Bishops own the deed to the Church. They encourage tradition but will agree to the new beliefs e.g. will encourage abstinence and fasting on every Friday but if you want to go by the new Novus ordo rules, that's okay.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priestly_Fraternity_of_Saint_Peter

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMfKHm3IFmiIj_fr1dsUfsA

The SSPX(680 Priests) is largest world wide. Both the SSPV and FSSP are split offs of the SSPX founded by Archbishop Lefvere

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Saint_Pius_X

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTvY1fvpD7jnT-uKEyuTSaw

SSPV(not sure how many) split from the SSPX. IMHO, their theology is not wrong. They are open to the possibility of sedevancanism. I particularly like Father Jenkins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Saint_Pius_V

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7qx5iw1K0deq6cw1g6uWAA

ICKSP(200 members) Don't know much about them.

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68167a No.6 [Open thread]

What missal do you use?

I mean, which 1962 missal that most Latin Mass Catholic use? (I know one branch of Trad Catholics use the 1958 missal)

Usually I use the Father Lansance "The New Roman Missal".

It's strong points are that it explains the mass at the beginning of the book and how to use the missal.

I find it much harder to follow that my red "Latin-English Booklet Missal" because Father Lansance's missal lumps the High Mass, Low Mass and Mass of the Dead all together in the same Ordinary of the Mass (the part said in every High, Low and Requiem mass). So you jump around a bit in the Ordinary, and sometimes in the Proper of the mass it will mention prayers to be included in the mass but aren't the Proper.

The "Latin-English Booklet" series has a separate book for the requiem mass. it doesn't include the propers but you usually find that in the Church bulletin. Sadly, that usually English only no Latin. It's also larger type, which makes it better for reading if you have glasses and have to wear a covid mask. It's lighter and smaller. Its also one of the missals found in the pews of my parish, so I am hesitant to bring my copy least someone think I'm taking it. I've been considering buying a box of them and just leaving the Red missal in the pew after mass.

Is the Saint Andrew Missal Better?

Father Lansance is good for learning about the mass and I recommend it. I see many with the Saint Andrew Missal.

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