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e5e58e No.35

From the posts in other boards, I thought that maybe real Catholics would like a board of their own. Why? Because posting in Christian is against the Catholic religion if you're not going to (a) defend the faith and (b) be there just to convert the protestants and save their souls.

The problem with protestants is that their arguments are not rational, deny most of the Teachings of Christ, and they argue in bad faith. Using logic on them is a waste of time. They are lost souls.

But, most Catholics are lost souls too. Very few will ever see heaven.

What I really wanted to discuss with real Catholics is how to bring back the lost sheep to the Catholic faith.

Say someone was baptized and the baptism is recognized as valid. After all, even a pagan can baptize you as long as he has the correct intent and does the sacrament properly. The baptized grows up outside the faith, lives like a pagan, then realizes (say by personal revelation) that the Catholic faith is the truth faith. So, he wants to join the Church.

But he's got impediments: Maybe a wife who's not catholic and not interested in being Catholic, or a child who's older and refused to be taught the catholic faith. These mortal sins are on going, and the person returning can't really resolve them. Sure, he can put out his civil marriage "wife", but his child? The Convert is outside the church until he can raise his older child catholic.

Here's the sad part: you find in the papal encyclicals where even a Pagan who has these conditions can be baptized and receive the sacrament of communion. Not the prodigal son of the Church! He must make a general confession, put out his "wife" and convert his children.

If you stop and think about it, the Church was not made to be in this position. It was made to be the prevalent religion that was always there. The Church was effectively gone for half a century. Its easier for a pagan than anyone baptized Christian.

In other news, my repeated prayers for my daughter to overcome her mental illness have been answered! She's doing much better and closer to living up to her potential! Praise be to God and the Blessed Mother who prayed for me! I am so thankful.

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bc97cb No.74

>>35

I disagree with you pretty much 100% I don't think very few also posting on the /Christian/ board is not against the catholic religion so what gave you that idea a majority of your post is total BS you can not be baptized by a pagan probably very few souls will see hell in general but that's just my opinion

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331b3f No.75

Even a pagan can do the sacrament of baptism if his intent is to do the sacrament. The remote matter is natural water. The words are "I baptize this in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost". Council of Constance and many other Councils say that the person giving the baptism need not even be Catholic. That is the teaching of the Popes.

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