/nofap/ - Fappers Anonymous

>>16484

Think about the testosterone, anon

okay, stop fapping and looking at porn for a month and see what happens.

>>16489

I just did a brief research, and it has a very marginal effect on testosterone levels to the point it won't mean anything.

>>16490

I did that when I went to bootcamp actually. Nothing remarkable about it.

Did you have to make this thread? Now I'm pretty certain mine will get deleted.

Than fap I guess.

I just wonder why you would even ask if you have your answer ready already.

>>16484

>Why is heroine a problem?

>I shoot up daily. It feels great. Especially after a long day or if there is no time to shoot up for a while and I get withdrawal going. It seems like it's stigmatized because of some sort of puritan values, and you all are just depriving yourself needlessly.

>You don't need to deprive yourself since it really isn't a problem to begin with.

>>16502

It's trying to understand a different perspective.

>>16533

You're not gonna overdose on fapping, nor do you need to go out and spend money for a fix. People don't go out and steal items to sell to buy lube or whatever.

>>16553

are you actually defending addiction? fucking clownworld…

>>16554

>Defending addiction?

When is it a addiction? If you do it every day? Every other day? Every Week? Every Other week? Every other millennium?

Or have you considered maybe you can't actually get addicted to fapping and instead that "addiction" is you using it as a coping mechanism that can literally be swapped with anything else?

>Clown world

Should've added a clown pepe reaction image as well and make this joke of a board even more pathetic.

>>16571

https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/relevant-research-and-articles-about-the-studies/

It's a problem because it's a fucking addiction, that's it. Its effects may not be as bad as drugs or whatever but any kind of addiction is bad and eventually affects your life negatively. It's great that you can do it and feel no downsides but not everyone is the same. It got so bad I would spend the entire day just playing hentai games and edging, that shit destroys you and your motivation to do anything else because the dopamine reward for doing it is so high compared to literally anything else.

Keep in mind that masturbating without porn is fine now and then, but overloading your brain watching porn and edging is a different thing, that shit is a huge waste of time and will destroy you.

>>16554

It's not defending addiction. The idea of fap addictions sounds silly, and it's even sillier to imply it's comparable to heroin addiction. It's like saying your addicted to breathing.

It just seems like puritan propaganda, but I'm trying to be open minded here.

>>16573

>You get addicted duo to dopamine. Mastrubating and orgasm, even seeing porn produceses dopamine, and serotonin. These chemicals are inherently addictive.

So you have withdrawals from these chemical addictions? My experiences were whether it was twice a week or five times a day when I hit puberty, I never experienced and chemical withdrawals

>>16581

>It's not defending addiction

Is it not? The logic of the argument seems to concede that porn is addictive, and argue that it doesn't matter since porn isn't a dangerous substance you inject directly into your bloodstream, and porn doesn't seem to result in criminal behavior (even though that second point is demonstrably false, i.e. escalation to child porn)

>The idea of fap addictions sounds silly

That you feel it "sounds silly" is not an argument

>it's even sillier to imply it's comparable to heroin addiction

Personally, I don't care to what substance I am enslaved, I just want to be free. But the point obviously wasn't that porn is just like heroine, it was that the logic of the OP would justify any addiction, including heroine.

>It's like saying your addicted to breathing

You might be an addict if you think a non-essential is comparable to an essential. Do you feel as though you 'need' to masturbate?

>It just seems like puritan propaganda

I personally take that as a compliment, and would happily identify myself as a Puritan, but it is false to say that nofap is an inherently puritanical thing. Take Gary Wilson (the man behind ybop) for example, he is about as far from a Christian worldview as you can be, and is explicitly pro-porn and pro-masturbation.

>So you have withdrawals from these chemical addictions?

Yes. See this thread to learn more >>1145

>>16573

>It's an addiction if you can't stop

Most people who fap can easily stop no problem but the fags on the board will claim that everyone is addicted because they look at it at all.

>You get addicted duo to dopamine. Mastrubating and orgasm, even seeing porn produceses dopamine, and serotonin. These chemicals are inherently addictive.

Anything enjoyable activity produces dopamine. You're addicted to the dopamine not the activity itself, hence why I said that it can literally be swap-able with anything else.

>Why are you here then if you already have an answer

I come to this board to see if there's a missing perspective to consider. I do it all the time wtih /christianity/ becuase I believe that men who fail to look at an issue from all sides are pathetic failures. But this board fails every time I come here espeically with comments >>16554 that should make everyone on this site's blood go to a boil.

Now with what I said with my post ( >>16413 )

If i was truly "not interested in another perspective" I wouldn't have attempted the 90 day no fap "challenge" at all. But I'm doing it and it's very underwhelming. Most results are gotten from ten days (hence why I'm not going back to my daily routine of it and instead doing my ten day surfing idea). I've done my research and I know what the affects of porn and fapping do on the brain (thanks for the link anyway >>16572 ) hell where do you think I gotten my research from to come to this conclusion? Granted half of my research is from archived /pol/ threads but whatever.

>Seeing peope do nofap pisses you off

I'm not pissed off with people doing no fap I'm pissed off with how people treat it.

Look at >>15448

>19m here, welcome to hell. Everyone in our generation is going through this shit unconsciously and I don't see how we get out of it. We should be teaching this stuff in schools but it's going to be at least a generation before that happens.

<Welcome to hell

Oh yeah to the people were born from survivors of chernoble, the people with tow heads and are born with internal pains nah I jerked off alot so I'm a victum!

<Everyone in our generation is going through this shit unconsciously and I don't see how we get out of it

Man you know what's a problem that we're going through unconsciously? No it's not the privacy that we're losing every year, no it's not the massive debt culture we have that will lead us to a great recession. NO IT'S US LOOKING AT FUCKING PORN TOO MUCH

This is how nofap is treated on this site, and these people are treated like heros and any thread of people challenging the notion are either ignored (filtered probably as well) or asked why they're even on here (look back with >>16502 reply). Obviously there's exceptions are one lines like >>16489 but from looking at how /leftypol/ reacts to people who comment on communism, or how /pol/ reacts to people who say "there's nothing wrong with the jews" and then compare with how people are treating OP's comment just proves with how people treat these threads. Unless I'm wrong and this is simply a more casual board. I don't know how much traffic this place gets so be free to correct me.

>>16533

Heroin addiction wouldn't be a problem if you had access to free unadulterated heroin and you weren't hurting anyone around you. This obviously isn't the case but it is the case with porn. You nofap losers just want a community to latch onto to give you meaning in life and are using porn as a scapegoat to blame your failure with women on.

>>16604

Nigga are you fucking retarded? nofap has nothing in the relation dealing with women you dumbfuck. You're seriously eschewing it to some MGTOW tier comparison in which couldn't be any more off based.

>>16603

>Oh yeah to the people were born from survivors of chernoble, the people with tow heads and are born with internal pains nah I jerked off alot so I'm a victum!

Imagine being this retarded and disingenuous

>>16585

>Is it not?

That's correct. There is a difference between defending and questioning validity.

>That you feel it "sounds silly" is not an argument

It was an assessment, and an opinion. Calling an assertion silly isn't trying to argue.

>You might be an addict if you think a non-essential is comparable to an essential. Do you feel as though you 'need' to masturbate?

The comparison is they're both biological functions.

>I personally take that as a compliment

That settles it. These are puritan values causing self-deprivation. At least you're not sacrificing animals. I hope you aren't anyways.

>Yes. See this thread to learn more

That's not exactly a credible source listed. Give me a study that was independent, peer reviewed, and published in a medical journal, rather than a website that has "covenant" in its name, which reeks of bias.

>>16604

>Heroin addiction wouldn't be a problem if you had access to free unadulterated heroin and you weren't hurting anyone around you.

But it would, because you'd still be harming yourself. If you want to harm yourself over a shit high then go ahead, but don't sit here and cry because there are people who don't.

>Fucking faggot, puritan cultist! Stop talking about addiction!

>Why are you so hostile to me? It must be because you're a circeljerk, not because I'm an inflammatory, disingenuous fap crusader.

J O K E

>>16484

It's the long term consequences. Why are there so many faggots, trannies, furries, anime-fetishists and reddit beta males all of the sudden ? Why does it keep rising ? Why do everyone's fetishes get worse and worse by the years ?

Because this community is infested with ex massive porn/fapping addicts who had their lives negatively impacted by it and they think everyone else has the same problem and no one can masturbate without being a junkie.

>>16706

>reddit fapcuck cope

stay mad because you cant handle an addiction

ProJared

>>16705

The demise of the west is when people don't fall in line and do their role in the west's preservation. The left has successfully promoted tolerance of people not making contributions to this continuation. Homosexuals and others with the urge to deviate from the norm aren't trying to be normal, living normal lives (which includes having children and preserving the west).

Feminism has also played a part. Women are focusing on careers rather than families, while more traditional cultures (like muzzies for instance) are having large families and are out breeding westerners as a result. Feminists fill women's heads with nonsense about how they're treated unfairly, and that pits men and women against each other. The old essay Hate Bounces by Zen Priest is an example of such a man who started to hate women because of feminism. These people aren't having as many children as other cultures are either.

Now where fapping comes in. Women/girls say they want one thing, when they're biologically hardwired to want something else. This makes them confusing, and not every male figures it out. To make things worse, males are thrown under the bus to boost women and girls. It's all justified by calling it equal or taking away privileges that haven't even been proven to exist. They have nothing to offer women when they've been thrown under the bus, and the confusion of trying to figure out exactly what they want means the only sex they get will most likely come from their hand. Fapping is an alternative to sex, not a cause of the demise of the west.

>>16716

>what is autogynephilia

All these degenerate changes you listed are a direct result of this. Talking about ones sexual orientations/fetishes/desires has been completely mainstreamed and woven into the education system. And masturbation addiction is one of the sources. Fapping is always "harmless" in the first 2-3years, but eventually straight porn won't cut it, and this is where the slippery slope starts. Most faggots/trannies were straight, until they kept going down the dark path.

>>16718

Nobody is this retarded. Trollololol.

>>16719

Clarification is sometimes needed.

>>16716

Imagine being this fucking stupid

Personal decision of mine to do this. I used to think a lot like you, but recently I really felt like it was a problem. My fetishes kept getting more and more degenerate and I always felt disgusting afterwards. I want to end it, and I will end it.

>>16726

>I only believe what others are saying because I'm a mindless sheep incapable of independent thought and will insult free thinkers.

I like nofap because I like the way it feels when I abstain from porn. There is no self-flagellation or puritanism in that.

Its like when people get mad about dieting, "why deprive yourself, why not be happy and eat all you want?" I don't have to think food is evil to say that some restriction of food-desire is necessary for my well-being. Eating a healthy, balanced diet in this example is like sex or porn-free fapping, not prone to being abused by most because of availability and strength of the sensations being limited naturally. Sweeteners are like porn in that they are used with the goal of making more money by getting people hooked on stronger and newer flavors so that they have a hard time enjoying food without them. If you can manage to indulge them often without any issues fine, but for many that is not the case and some deprivation leads to a feeling of freedom and balance.

>>16825

Masturbating too much won't raise the risk of cancer, heart disease and an overall lower life expectancy. It's not nearly the same. That freedom and balance only exist because of expectations you place upon yourself.